Sounds about right My 2002 Gt with 175,000 miles with Intake, exhaust, Bigger TB and 93 tune Made 240whp and 274tq on mustang dyno in middle of the hot summer. I was surprised bc it’s got so many miles on it lol. And def best sounding Mustangs
The miles don't make a whole lot of difference as long as the engine is in good running order and runs properly. I've seen many high mileage engines make basically the exact same power low mile engines do. No reason for it to dyno significantly less because it has higher miles unless there's something wrong with the car.
Man I had to do everything you could possibly imagine to get 602rwhp out of my 2003 2v. Built motor, ported heads, supercharger, stage 3 cams, full exhaust, name it it was done to my car. Literally everything! I built that car after my supercharged 94 5.0. Now I have a 13 coyote that makes 711rwhp and all that’s done is a supercharger, pulley, oil pump and crank gears, and a cat back. My 94 supercharged 5.0 made 349 with just the blower. I have a couple videos on my channel. Beautiful car man! Change those tail lights or sell it and buy a gen 1 coyote. My coyote is my favorite car ever. When it was bone stock I enjoyed it more then my 03 Gt
Seen your video with the cams actually! Car sounded awesome!! Currently been dailying this mustang, just a little cruiser that I have fun with. I've never actually built anything like this before so its all a first for me. 13-14 is my favourite coyote body style so if I ever have to get anything else it would probably be one of those.
I am selling a konda blue with off white interior 2012 6spd with 76k miles clean title. Runs perfect no mechanical issues. Boss Intake Manifold Magnum Force Stage2 CAI C&L 90MM TB Ford Performance EV6 High Flow Fuel 47lbs Injectors Cat delete, BBK-X, MBRP Mufflers+Tips Bama handheld tuner comes with 91 tune and a E85 tune. Ford Racing 3.55 Gears(entire gear kit new bearings gaskets etc.) FR500 Rims R18(one has scuff on it) with 285/35 falken tires(new). GT500 wing(kona blue painted to match car) black taillight trim, blue shift knob are only visual changes besides rims(I no longer have the OEM rims) from factory. I just put new struts, coils, shocks on it as well, it needs new alignment. I am assuming give or take 440 to rear wheels. It's located in Morgantown, WV. It's ready for boost and single turbo was my next step and proper dyno tune. I am asking $18,000 firm for the car. I don't race often but I have raced a 1995 Cobra that had H/C/I/Full exhaust. I let him have a car length and the hit and took him to gapplebees and no offense because I love SN95 cobra cars.
The new 5.0’s benefit from the stock 300CFM head flow, compression, & VVT. Not going to mention the 4valve design because it’s not as important. You mentioned the 600hp in your gt, the power you make is completely dependent upon the CFM flow of your boost maker. A 700hp turbo will make 700hp, and the same Engine with more N.A. power will also make 700hp, but way more efficiently with less boost. All the other parts you add helped by making less restrictions for your boost.
Man you should be getting way more, my 98 gt with bolt on only got 260hp 300lbs torque, I just did a complete rebuild on it with built PI heads stage 3 cams with all the bolt on, hoping to break over 300hp. Great video keep up the build
260hp with bolt ons is pretty average. Stage 3s are pretty aggressive especially for a street application I find but the gains will be slightly better than the stage 2 comps that I have I think. Cams in general don't give crazy horse numbers on this car from what I noticed. However these things do dyno stock 220-230whp. Another owner local to me mentioned something about us not being at a good sea level for this kind of stuff which isn't something you'd really think about.. all together I think multiple factors played a role in what #s in put out. Feels like 300whp to me! Lol
A stock NPI 2V puts down 180-190whp, so you're telling me you got 70-80whp out of bolt ons on crappy NPI heads? Sounds like your dyno operator had the correction factors way off to boost peoples egos.
@@infernoauto Hell, you could go to 3 different dyno's the same day and get 3 different numbers. They're not an exact science. They're a good tool for measuring gains though, if you use the same dyno before and after and use the same correction factors.
A npi motor with pi swap and aftermarket cams can Def make 300+ rwhp they will have like a point or do more compression than a factory pi car which helps. Prob 10.5:1
Stock I remember they were rated around 260hp at the flywheel. And drivetrain loss probably 8-10% so lucky to get 245rwhp. To get to 300HP to the wheel you have to do quite a bit with bolt ons. Probably cam,headers, heads, intake, underdrive pulley…..and these 4.6 2V really on stock internals won’t live long about 450rwhp.
I've seen most dyno around 230whp stock. With head works such as the trickflow heads, you'd pick up pretty big gains. Seen a few around 340whp full NA with heads, bolts ons and cams I believe. Its big money for that kind of stuff though. Might boost this one eventually, not sure yet!
@@infernoauto I had an 02. Dud heads, cams, headers, and a Procharger P1 with I think 10-12psi and was making 455-479rwhp. From what I recall the pistons don’t like boost I expected them to fail first but it ended being the transmission that didn’t like that much power. I would stay around 400rwhp.
FBO =🤦🏻♂️ . mod list and what cams you are running would be more informative. someone says the have an exhaust could mean a lot of different things. short or long tube headers, o/r or catted mid pipe, h or x mid pipe…fbo is ambiguous.
I got bbk longtube headers and a cat back x pipe exhaust my motor only has 140 miles on it as it was just rebuilt but I’m gonna break it in then get it dyno’d on 93 gas and tuned at the same time so I’ll re visit this post and comment when I’m done and lyk what it puts down. Praying for more then 250😂
It is time for boost. 14 lbs and your well into 450whp. PLUS you have a VERY healthy power curve, a nice on3 turbo kit will only make things better. Food for thought.
Boost has been on my mind. I really like the stuff vortech puts out. On3 looks good as well. Would really be nice to build this motor.. trickflow heads, new internals, etc. Build for boost maybe? I drive it a lot and the gas mileage is terrible for an NA car lol
@@infernoauto I'll tell you what, a vortech on that car with some gears (since it's manual) will fuckin fly. You don't even need trickflows. Also do yourself a favor, don't do what I did and 4v swap it. It's not worth it, especially since 4 digit power figures are possible on these 2v's now.
That is a tiny ass blower though of course it ain't gonna make much. With a terminator blower and cams it would prob be 400+ wheel pretty easy at a similar boost level..
@@Dat4valveGuythem little m90 blowers don't make that much power. A stock 2v only makes like 220 rwhp on its best day. So he's almost 100 rwhp higher than that with just that tiny blower likely not running much boost and headers.
Stock these cars do about 220 whp Now a DynoJet, these dynos read a little higher than the actual numbers, so you are somewhere around 260 wheel and 285 tq Which for what you have done is typical, that stock compression won’t go much more than that without changing pistons and doing head work Or just add boost Mustang Dyno will be more spot on Nice looking car, sounds good
Neither type of dyno is "right or wrong" they just arrived at the results in a different way. If the numbers on either are accurate they will correlate to the track. Dyno's can also be manipulated by the operator to show high or low. My son's 2 valve with bolt ons and stock cams made 267 at the wheel so these numbers here are pretty typical.
Actually dynojet is very close to real numbers, mustang dynos actually show less hp/tq than the actual real life power. I have been around dynos my whole life, my father as well
What's up man nice car.. can I ask you what cams you are running.. and are you still running stock injectors.i just put XE274H comp cams in my car. Pretty much fbo long tubes x-pipe cai tb 3.73 gears all that good stuff. Cars getting tuned in a couple weeks trying to get an idea of where I'm going to be.thanks
I’d say try a different dyno. I was expecting to 310/330whp. A soon as you said it was spinning on the dyno. I knew numbers where going to over the top or lackluster. Your tires and whp not lining you is most likely because a poorly maintenance dyno. Worn rollers and probably hasn’t been recalibrated in years.
There's another shop nearby that does events where they have decent prices on dyno runs. I might try that out one of these days but I think anything over 300whp is a bit overshot. The place I went to deals with a lot of mustangs and hot rods so I'm sure even if the dyno was off a little, it's probably not by much. I think the tune is good so it would be interesting to see the numbers it puts out on other dynos!
Forged pistons and rods, terminator crankshaft, and a supercharger with a tune done is all you need to breach that HP goal. Its a cheaper surefire way to reach better numbers than going with $$$heads and all the other bolt-ons. Underdrive pulleys are useless.
What did you use to film? I've been thinking about filming my dyno pulls after I break-in my engine, wasn't sure a cellphone would pick up the audio well. I'm cautiously optimistic I will get 300whp with my rebuild. I did 73mm TB/Plenum, CAI, 30lb injectors, MHS stage 2 cams, and upped the compression to around 10:1 with 12cc pistons. Car had 4:10 gears already.
very nice car! Looks awesome! But I didn’t see a fan in front? So I would assume it’s prolly running hot and pulling some timing? I would try different dyno? But badass car man!
I bought my 04 mustang GT automatic dark shadow gray for good looks and that’s it. I know the 4.6 is not fast but they look good and sound good so when I want to go I get my 5.0 mustang GT sterling gray and a 6 speed transmission
You can make a 2v pretty quick without spending crazy money. Boost, cams and headers will put you way over 400 rwhp reliably and that is enough to put in work in a much lighter new edge.
i've ad those same wheels in my shopping cart for more than a year, but i am not sure what size to get, what size and offset did you get? yours look perfect!
Yep that’s right I have a 4.sick 04 mustang GT automatic dark shadow gray I did not want to spend a lot of money just trying to get 300 hp so I just found my myself a 14 mustang GT sterling gray and a 6 speed transmission and enjoy both cars for what they can do thinking about boost for the 5.0
You should do a coyote swap on the new edge. Or a 5.4 4v swap with coyote intake they can make killer power AND torque without having to Rev super high and they also sound badass sharing the same firing order as the 2v and 3v with that said the coyote sounds better in pre 05 cars for whatever reason. It also sounds better in the s197 cars than it does in the s550 cars. It's the exhaust routing.
I wouldn’t be upset with those numbers. These engines just don’t perform all that well compared to other platforms with basic bolt-ons. They have great potential with boost but even with a built 4.6, high compression, and ported heads/cams 400hp N/A to the tire is a struggle. If you can swing it, boost it. Best bang for your buck on this platform.
I saw it's an 03, does it have the Windsor built 4.6? I really think the Windsor built 4.6's are duds compared to the Romeo engines. They are not the same. I had an 03 and it was literally .5 sec slower than guys I used to race against with 2001 and 2002's. Glad I just got it used and didn't buy it new, I woulda been pissed. With bolt ons and a tune it was still 💩 slow so I finally got rid of it
maybe its bc of gears or trans differences but im not sure , but 3rd gear pulls? seems odd for a NE 2v normally and mine included were 4th gear bc there 1:1 idk who could be right maybe i miss it .
My gt made 280whp and 322tq on a mustang dyno with an exhaust as power adders what I know of but my car was boosted before I bought it not sure if they did anything to the engine if they did I would t be able to check unless I open the motor mind u it did that at 169k miles, my tuner had told me it looks completely stock car the only other thing Ik the car has is 3.73 gears but either than that nothing else Ik of, tuner had told me either it had head work or the bottom end has something done to it
I wonder what the altitude that shop is at. Also what octane fuel did you get tuned with? I made 280hp/330trq on my 04 gt with a 93 octane dyno tune with just 75mm throttle body, C&L intake plenum and long tube headers. Im hoping for 315-330 hp when i eventually get a set of cams.
Funny you mention altitude. I was talking to someone who drags their 4.6 and he was saying we're at a pretty bad altitude here for this kind of stuff. I think its funny how all of it works. I'm really on the fence about the whole throttle body thing. I wouldn't really wanna spend another $500 for a retune just for 1 part. If I'm getting another tune its definitely gonna be with boost I'd like to think. Was that 280 whp or crank? This car is probably putting out around 310-320 to the crank
@@infernoauto 280hp 330trq to the wheel, Elevation was 800ft, the throttle body does more than most think, but the stock manifolds and catalytic converters are absolutely killing some gains.
@@adamhelmers3185 this car has a BBK catted X pipe and bbk headers. That being said, when I asked why my numbers were so low, he said his dyno is "stingy" and not like some of the "happy dynos" you see online that put out big big numbers. I think I'd like to try a different dyno eventually but lots of different factors play a role in the numbers its putting down like you said. For all I know that 280whp wasn't accurate at all and its much closer to the 300+ range lol
So i have a 2000 camaro z28 that has a stage 2 sloppy cam, aluminum intake and dyno tuned. i made 352hp to the wheel though a 4l60e (4 speed auto) you are telling me a FBO mustnag with the 4.6 only made 280hp to the wheel?
That has an LS right? From factory that already has more power. Anyways you'll see tons of people claiming they put down big numbers in this comment section but there's lots of varying factors .. the biggest one probably being the dyno itself that I went to. The 2v only puts out around 230whp stock. Sometimes less.
@@infernoauto the stock LS1 has 305hp to the crank. Idk what the hp rating is through an automatic. But I'm just surprised with a cam and everything it's only like a 60hp gain.
@@gregorylozado4627 Bolt ons don't do much for the 2v. It has plenty of airflow stock so things like throttle body, cold air intakes, intake plenums, etc wont do much. Probably pick up more gains from exhaust if anything. They do help when getting tuned though. bolt on 2vs will typically throw down around 250whp. It's a quick little car with the cams, probably the best daily driveable cam you could get in my opinion.
So I have a '17 Fusion Sport. Just your average boring family sedan I know....however....I dynoed it through a heavy AWD system and 6 speed auto... it made 412 HP and 488 TQ with the smallest 87 octane tune....For reference it's a tiny 2.7 liter V6 engine EcoBoost....No other mods at all...none. You saying your modified LS V8 sports car made less than my mundane V6 Fusion and it also made more power than yours when both were factory new?? Do you see the point I'm making...you gotta see the wider perspective....trying to show performance potential from comparing different cars, different dyno types, at different times and temps....off a single point of information..
It came with the car when I bought it, im 99% sure its just a generic ebay one and someone put spectre fittings on it. I did change the filter out on it for a larger spectre one though.
What mods you have?? Dyno numbers ain't everything.. My P71 on 87 tune put down 240rwhp n on 93 tune put down 249rwhp so I think.. 🤔 Guy said it had made more on 87 but I think he got crank n wheel hp mixed up.. Runs way faster on 93 octane so I ain't tripping..lol I tried e85 tune but didn't like how the engine stays revving higher in all gears.. Marty Ochs tuned my car.. Will dyno tune once I get my TrickFlow top end kit installed.. 👌😎
@@infernoauto I'm in HTX n all I have is longtubes n water n crank underdrive pulleys on.. All else is stock besides SCT tunes by Marty.. 7.5 0-60mph..lol
I think it's not a bad purchase regardless. Useful for data logging, adjusting tire size to correct your speedometer and also most tuners that dyno tune use the bama/sct tuner to tune the car. Also you could load custom email tunes with it.
Every dyno tuner will ask you if you have a tuner or not. Most of them will need you to have one so they can upload the tune onto your tuner along with your factory tune.
Bring on the hate guys. The best thing to do with a 2 valve is to use the short block for a 4 valve head swap. The 2 valve is a waste of time and money.
@@infernoauto If it meets your goals, nothing wrong with it. If you want mid 300's to the tire, do the swap. I've built both and the 4 valve is a whole new level. You have a great looking car too.
@@infernoauto go 3v, I quite building 4v engine because the 3v will match them in performance mod for mod but cams are half the price and the 3v still give you room around the engine and headers fit so much nicer. the last one i built was my personal car with long tubes, stage 1 cams and CAI and put down 324whp at about 6600 and 295ftlbs.
@@Tacticoolpapi its got a trickflow plenum. I've done a lot of research and spoke to a few that have really built these motors.. I think my best bet to pick up more whp would be going catless. Mind you the car is sitting at pretty decently high mileage
@@infernoauto mine is just shy of 180k. With cats its not a bad number. These cars do a lot with little power. I got the trickflow 75 mm and sourced a 70mm ford throttle body from a 5.4 2v econoline van.
@@Tacticoolpapi I had a 75mm that I ended up returning.. poor build quality.. 70mm probably your best bet for an NA car. I don't really think these things choke for air.. the whole manifold setup seems pretty good. I'd only run an aftermarket one if I was boosted honestly. Other than that I'm not sure how much of an impact it would have on my car. I was better off saving my $ lol
@@brendonpotts7961 I've seen a few with those heads and other supporting mods pull around 340whp. Definitely a great upgrade if you don't wanna have to deal with the issues that come with boost on your stock bottom end.
Im sorry but those 4.6 engines are not designed for performance. The more stock u leave it, the better. If u want a cheap ford engine that u upgrade with a lot of performance parts, get a 5.0 from a fox body
They sure are 😂 it's much different when you're driving though. This thing is pretty wild when you want it to be. The gears are what makes these cars fun.
The heads on these engines are hella bogus they dont breath for shit ported non ported npi p.i doesnt matter. Somebody else besides twisted wedge should have cast another performance head for these engines
