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Just tried a set of these in the shop...feel so light and smooth when doing heel toe! Ordered them as they jst feel so much nicer than my old eliminators!
Love your vids man. I've been playing guitar for a while and decided to start a one man music project. Obviously I needed drums but as I've never played drums before, I had to start teaching myself. Your vids on your double bass tutorials and pedal setup here have been lifesavers. Keep up the good work!
Those Sonor Beaters are nice and powerful, I had one and gave ot to my little brother and now I want another one. I have a Lowboy, Speed Cobra Rubber beater, and a Slug green beater
Hi wanja I just bought the Demon Drive and the movement of the left pedal is less than the right, I have the same configuration in both, I have the long board, maximum tension and I lubricated the bearings.
Hallo Wanja, ich habe auch eine Demon Drive, allerdings habe ich das Problem dass wenn ich die Fußmaschine am Spannreifen befestige das Pedal hinten in die Luft geht (vermutlich vom Gewicht der Toms) hattest du ein solches Problem auch? Würde mich auf eine Rückmeldung von dir freuen!
Ich habe die Bassdrum immer leicht zu mir hin angewinkelt, d.h. die Aufstellfüße sind so eingestellt, dass vorne gerade meine Hand drunter passt. Damit kommt das dann ganz gut hin. Davon abgesehen kann ich nur raten, das Pedal nicht zu fest anzuschrauben - die Verbindung muss nicht super steif sein, damit das Pedal in Position bleibt (vorausgesetzt man hat einen Teppich).
@@wanjanechtangroeger Danke für deine Rückmeldung! Ich werde deinen Tipp berücksichtigen, und es so probieren wie du es beschrieben hast 👍 Ja Teppich ist vorhanden, die Klammer ist nur handfest angezogen, das Pedal rutscht durch die Klettbänder an der Unterseite des Pedals überhaupt nicht! Danke nochmal ✌️
Thank you so much for the video. It's very helpful. I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I play heel up and I bury my beater. When my spring is tight, my pedal sometimes makes unwanted hits when I bury the beater. I hope you know what I mean. I hit the bass drum, and then because the tension is high, the pedal has an extra unwanted hit. How do I avoid that?
I simply do not bury the beater and always recommend to not do it (for exactly the reason you mentioned). Especially with triggers it can really suck XD
I'm going crazy on whether to get the demon directs...I played eliminators for years (black cam)...I still use with vdrums (w/kd7)..been playing dw9000 for about 5 yrs..they're still ok but feel sluggish. I'm not trying to be the fastest..I don't play extreme...but I'm a dedicated drummer and feel strong urge to get dem.dir. there's a used 3002 in really good condition at $450... or new for $650 Is it worth it? Will it make a big difference? Please fellow drummers..gimme the answers
Will it make you faster? No, not really. But the Demons have a far superior drive shaft compared to Eliminators or DW9000. And that was the main reason I upgraded to them. With the Demon drive shaft you simply have zero lag and latency and it doesn't wear out like normal ones (and less lag indirectly makes you also better at playing double bass). Also the Demon Drives can be setup to feel very similar to Eliminators. So if you want to play a lot of double bass for a long time to come I'd say it is worth it ;)
Dear Wanja! Thanks for explaining your Setup! Just One question: i also play the demon drive and i only have the spring tension of the left pedal at Maximum and the spring tension of the right pedal at about half, Because otherwise they feel to differently. How do you cope with this Problem? Thanks for helping me out! Best wishes from Austria! Stephan
I have the same spring tension left and right and I think that the pedals don't feel different. Maybe the position of your pedals is not symmetrical or some other settings are different?
Habe gestern das Demon Drive Pedal bestellt als Backup und zum Üben, ging aber wieder zurück(bekomme erstmal ein neues) das linke Pedal knackte immer bei der Hälfte eines Schlages.(spürbar auch im Betrieb als Singlepedal). Ist das normal bzw. bei deinem Pedal auch so? Hab noch die Trick V1 da ist rein gar nichts zu merken
Es ist normal, dass das Pearl etwas Geräusche macht und klackert - in dieser Hinsicht nicht zu vergleichen mit Trick oder Czarcie Kopyto oder so, aber da das der Funktion keinen Abbruch tut, hat es mich noch nie gestört. Ein spürbares Knacken ist aber sicherlich nicht normal!
Thank you for responding with so much details. Can you also post a link where I can purchase the Sonor beater in the US? My DW3000 beater is way too heavy. Thanks a lot!
Thanks, that was a helpful video, i'm partially a noob still, would you mind telling me how can you find out whether a particular beater will fit in your pedal or not, because i came to hear that certain beaters don't sit at all with certain manufacturers pedals
Yes, it takes time and I only gradually increased the tension over time. And I actually have to practise playing slow from time to time, because it can be quite challenging!
+MorganvanHelsing thanks brother I've been asking a lot of drummers what their opinions are I've been playing since I was 5 I bought a new kit and a pair of speedcobras almost a year ago and am still trying to tweak them to my liking between spring tension and beater distance it hasn't yet been enough I'm going to keep playing around between the pedal and beater head tension and see what I come up with. pedal settings are so personal so needless to say it takes a while to position everything to suit your needs and playing style.
+steamed96 I tried them at a music store but no matter how I set them up they always felt a bit too heavy for me. So I don't like them personally but that is just my taste - I have seen Hannes Grossmann for example playing on these pedals at 250bpm+ live. So they seem to work very well for him ;)
+MorganvanHelsing thank you very much for answering ;) ! I would have just another question for you: How much time did it take for you to control your foot technique? You know, I don't really know what foot technique I could use and that's very boring and discouraging :/ I tried to use the swivel technique but i'm not very convinced about the efficacity of this technique ! Yours seems to be much more permormant :)!
Wanja, where did you get the (keepers) or the metal holders, on the post of the beater? The Sonor SCH 28 doesnt include them. Did you migrate those from another beater? thank you!!! Not many of these beaters avail in the States. Sonor is major brand, so I wonder why these are not abundant. . ?
Hey Wanja, welche twin Pedal benutzt du? Vor kurzem ist diese Verbindungsstange bei meiner Kaputt gebrochen und brauche nun ein neues Pedalsystem 😅 grüße aus Osnabrück (du warst Hammer mit Craving) ☺
I have tried them once and they were feeling great! I might have bought them but there is one problem: the drive shaft (the connection between slave and master pedal). It is is very thin and is just a normal type of drive shaft. Any normal drive shaft starts to lag after a while when you play much double bass. I even wore out and broke the Axis drive shaft. The Demon Drive has a very robust drive shaft and there are ball bearings in the joints which makes it much more durable. Even after years of heavy abuse the moving parts of the drive shaft did not lag. So the drive shaft is the main reason why I bought the demon drives ;)
MorganvanHelsing Thanks for the response, i asked because I recently bought the DW 9002, i have also the pearl early version of the DEMON Drive but seem to have a better response/feel on the DW9002 for me. Also, I have a question on your doublebass technic, I watched your videos on how you are doing this. Is it accurate to say that you use the base of the pedal(very end ) to pivit like if you were doing a 1 handed roll on the snare drum where you pivit on the rim in this case to get the one handed fast roll? I'm trying to comprehend the dynamics as i see your technic uses very minimal energy and is effective. I also have a bounce technic that when I apply it on the doublebass i can have doublestroke roll as you would do on a snare, but the technic i developed uses only the toes and the balm of the foot (were the toes connect to, its a quick snap and its there (perhaps, ill recorded so you can see up close). Its also very effective and effortless, no one is doing this, most drummers use the toe/heel thing that in my view takes more energy. Cheers
When you have both pedals you can use the DW but with the Demon Drive drive shaft - I never really thought of combining things like that ;) Regarding my technique: First of all yes, the technique is effective but it may be misleading to say that it requires minimal effort. There are bpm sections where it requires almost no energy (180-210bpm) but when going really fast it takes a lot energy. Still I have very good stamina due to the strain being split between diferent muscle groups. I think I don't use the heel plate like the snare rim during a gravity roll. My heel is directly above the end of the heel plate so it would be like if I would place my hand above the rim instead of further back. You can clearly see it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8xmHO56x-SY.html For better understanding it is also important to know that I do not slam my heel onto the plate. I only gently touch it and the main energy is brought to the pedal via the balls of my feet.
this video convinced me to try the demondrive after playing axis since the 90s. tonight was my 1st rehersal with them and they are amazing. perfect for me. glad i took a chance. thanks for all the videos- great performance and instruction
I think when you are on a beginner level almost any pedal will do the job as long as it doesn't easily break. Just try different pedals and take whatever feels best and doesn't look too fragile.
Hi guys, i use the same pedal also, just bought it, does anyone know how long the springs would last at maximum tension? i live in asia, i dont think i could get a pearl demon drive spring replacement easily
Yes, they felt very light and I liked them. However the drive shaft didn't make a very durable impression but I didn't test it over a longer period of time.
Yes - they feel more natural for me and back when I had Axis pedals I had some quality issues with the drive shaft. I am sure they fixed that over the years but still the DDs just feel more comfortable for me.
Soweit ich weiß, ist an einer Stelle mit Absicht ein wenig Spiel eingebaut. Evtl. war auch die "Scheibe" auf dem Pedal nicht richtig festgezogen. Meine Pedale klappern auch ein wenig, aber da das nicht den geringsten Einfluss auf das Spielverhalten hat und auch nicht anfängt auszuleiern oder so, ist es mir egal.
+ian anselmo I can't speak Spanish at all - so it will probably not happen. Since the internet and especially youtube is very international I suggest to learn some English ;)
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