My Overall Thoughts on Viper & Pictomancer - New FFXIV Dawntrail Jobs 

I love that Beastmaster is already following in Blue Mage’s footsteps by not getting mentioned in this video 🙏

Honestly, i just can't wait to see people do an all Painter alliance raid or trial

Pictomancher could be a dot a job. Hit the monster with that lead based paint!

Legit excited about both these new jobs. Viper is incredibly my aesthetic. Hood, leather, swords. I've been wanting a "classic rogue" looking job in FFXIV for a very long time. And the Pictomancer looks so unique I'm really interested to try it out, even though I don't normally play caster DPS.

I would hope pictomancer's job HUD involves mixing colors together to get new colors, like red + blue gets you purple

Since I'm a melee person, viper will probably realistically be what I play if I bring it into my static/change my main, but aesthetically I'm a lottt more excited about pictomancer! Such a unique & creative looking job!

Viper is definitely the highlight for me. I remember really liking the pirate motif of the rogue, and was disappointed when I had to replace it with ninja. Now we can actually play out the rogue job fantasy past lvl 30.

Love the new jobs looking forward to viper the most. I'm not too bothered bt the pictomancer vfx style, in fact I like how it really gives the look that your spells are being painted into the world, but i do think having the paint look more like water colour would make it fit in with the games style and keep that stylised look. Still excited summer can't come soon enough!😁

Aesthetically, I already know I’m maining Viper this patch, but I feel like Pictomancer is going to surprise me even though it’s not my vibe.

While I am definitely interested in both jobs to unlock them and test them against a training dummy as soon as I am able, with what we currently know about them I'm not yet planning on getting one or both levelled to 90 ASAP so I can do the MSQ with them. Won't really know if that'll be the case until the job action trailer releases.

I was mildly disappointed it wasn't a sword/pistol combo, but I fully expect viper to be a contender for "new favorite".

I'm really digging both of these new classes to come! I can hardly wait!

I'm pretty interested in viper, it's on my list for potential msq jobs. Though I'm waiting until we get more info on it and changes to other jobs before I'll make any decision. Picto on the other hand I'm waiting until I can actually get a feel for it, I have pretty neutral opinions on the current casters so maybe picto will be one i actually like

as an artist with a head to toe hot pink WOL i am insanely excited for pictomancer and will 100% make it my main class!!! im so excited this looks so much fun and so cute and fits my aesthetic and personality perfectly!

I love them so so much. something about how down to earth viper is (mostly martial slashes with varying moves, less magic than ninja or reaper.) and how colorful and bombastic pictomancer is makes me so happy. I couldn't be happier with dps.

The phys ranged in my static made a comment once after picto's reveal saying that the landscapes may be similar to bard's songs in terms of gameplay

I've been waiting for a new caster for a while now! Black Mage, Red Mage and Summoner are all fun in their own ways, but Pictomancer is directly appealing to me aesthetically. Getting a slight RDM/SMN combination vibe from it so far, but I hope it doesn't just cycle through monsters like SMN does.

I feel like Viper COULD end up being really cool but that we just saw it really early and by the time we see it in the Job Action trailer it may look substantially better. Sage is a good example of this where it looked very basic the first time we saw it but once we got around the Job Action trailer it was incredible and I was absolutely sold on it. Reaper's first appearance was also very bare-bones as compared to its final iteration. In both of these instances, it's not like the spells changed greatly but that there was way more context to the full rotation once more abilities were able to be seen. Pictomancer, by comparison, caught my eye right from the beginning. It looks like they're just using basic lower-level spells but they have these really cool animation flourishes along with the cell-shaded painterly art style that really makes it pop on screen. Of course, until I see and hear people talking about these jobs hands on I really can't make any final determinations other than the fact that I will level the jobs (because I level all the jobs) but I'm always open to playing through the story on a new job for a different experience. I played through Endwalker twice with my first playthrough being on Summoner which was an entirely new beast and as such FELT like a new job and then on my second playthrough I used Reaper which I loved so much it ended up becoming my new main job. Regardless, I'll likely have MCH in my back pocket as my secondary as it's been holding it down in two expansions for me now as my reliable DPS go to for all content.

Eh, I like that they went for making it look like it's painted, I just wish they went for a more painterly brush stroke aesthetic rather than this Cartoony one. A lot of Martial Arts games use these to great effect, and it would be cool to see that from the Pictomancer. It would also look a lot better, and less jarring in game.

I really like a lot of the artifact gear for the jobs, but I play pretty much all the jobs, so I can't glamour with them most of the time. I really want an item set that you can put in the glamour dresser that just shows up as artifact gear. Maybe one for each of the 'max levels'.

Really looking forward to seeing the job action trailer for these jobs. I often find myself playing one of the new jobs for the launch msq before full diving into leveling them all. And the job action trailer and media tour coverage will very likely inform my decision on whether I pick one of these, one of the reworks, or stick to PLD. Also curious about what their shortened names will be. (VPR and PCT? )

I freaking love Trick/Transforming Weapons, that alone has sold me on Viper (also as a FFXII fanboy i cant wait to cosplay as Gabranth). Pictomancer looks very unique and unlike anything we have in the game so im pretty interested in it, i cant wait to try both of them out!

If they go with the pattern since Stormblood, 8.0 will have a tank and a Ranged DPS. Both jobs look so cool to me! Can't wait to try them and see if either becomes a main for my WoL!

I think some are overcomplicating what Picto will be. I feel the painting in the sky is less to do with what colors you're using, but rather just an artsy depiction of your cast time. Most we can expect is something like WoW evoker where, depending on how long you cast, the stronger the spell is up to the max cast time.

Both Viper and Pictomancer are not for me, but I love the aesthetics and am super glad they are being added. I love Reaper/DRG and RDM too much to give them up as my main melee DPS and magic DPS jobs, but they might surprise me. Honestly, I am most excited about Beastmaster. Bring on the limited jobs, babyyyyyyyyyyyy!

I'm relatively new and play ninja, what does he mean by scouting set and job?

I'm really hoping that with Picto, they do something with mixing colours. I'd love it if whatever spells we casted related to a colour, fire = red, ice = blue etc and depending on which colours we used, determined what we drew on the canvas. Think Samurai sticker collecting, but we mix paints together for different effects.

I felt they missed a perfect opportunity to add Corsair, and from what I've seen of viper so far it just feels like ninja aesthetically. I didn't appreciate being baited from MSQ's clover (was hoping for green mage) but I have low expectations for pictomancer and am open to being surprised by it. I'm stoked for beast master though.

We really didn’t need another melee class before getting another physical ranged dps class. We just got a melee class last expansion.

Looking forward to trying both the jobs. To be honest, I wasn't very excited about Viper cause we already have so many sword jobs in the game and it seemed like the job came about in a conversation like "I know we already have quite a few sword jobs but here me out, what if.....instead of 1 sword.....THEY HAD 2". Next sword job can just be Zenos with barrel full of them. Like I get the whole twinblade and maybe Zidane influence but it's not nearly as exciting to me as I'm sure it is to other people. Really looking forward to playing Pictomancer though. Even if it ends up playing similar to other jobs, it'll be fun to look at. Plus, moogle hyper beam.

looking foward to play Viper, looks pretty cool ! Can't wait for the Job Action trailer

Hard to really know for me. I need to push the buttons and see us it feels good. Ultimately that will matter more to me than what we’ve seen so far. I didn’t think I would like Ninja cause it seemed too busy etc. Then I played it finally near the end of Shadowbringers and somehow it just made sense in my brain and felt so good to play.

I love them both for different reasons, but Viper is where it's at for me. That job gear is super cool and I can't wait to see more of the various phases and how it plays! I'm probably too afraid of spoilers to start MSQ as VPR, but I'll definitely level it on the side as soon as I can!

what i have learned from Endwalker's version of Summoner is that it literally does not matter how flashy/lame the vfx is, what matters is the job mechanic.. For viper i hope that it has a unique job mechanic that lets it feel different from the other melees, in particular not the reaper style of build gauge -> big damage mode which im getting big vibes of from the descriptions. For Pictomancer, as they've said it isnt a selfish dps and has buffs, I'm hoping that the buff aspect is more than just 'press 1 button every 2minutes and get free 800 rdps', and that the job mechanic could involve as you said, paint combos in order to activate stronger spells, in a sense like an astrologian but in a caster form.

Viper basically made me a Viper/Ninja main. Love they can share gear with the added bonus of sharing accessories with ranged DPS.

Extra post for extra engagement! You mention where it could slot into the Caster role. I may be WAY off in left field, but I'm thinking it might be similar to MNK. High optimization, relatively straightforward "basic" concepts. I could see each base spell giving a color to your Job Gauge, sorta like the Field Effect system in Chrono Cross (I know, old reference), and when you get X number of them, you use the Sketch ability and get a result based on the colors you've got. Might do a "most recent three" like AST seals do. Between NIN Mudras, AST Seals, and MNK Masterful Blitz, we already have three variations on this "use three abilities, use fourth ability and get result" system in place. I could also see it being like MNK in the sense of having a more "freeform" (unless optimizing?) rotation where you cycle freely through all of your colors, but use specific ones leading up to your burst window to prep for it, like how MNK works or kinda how NIN works (using Suiton as your last "burn to prevent overcap" Ninjutsu before burst so you have Trick ready as soon as burst starts). I feel like if BLM is the SAM of the Caster role, PCM may be the the MNK of the Caster role. Some party utility, but not a ton, relatively high damage, but not quite the highest, with a more free flowing rotation that still wants you to do specific things for your burst windows/prep for your burst windows to maximize them. ...not at all for me. I don't have a DPS brain, I have a healer brain that sometimes flexes to tanks, can manage SMN well, RDM when I'm feeling frisky. So it won't be for me, probably, but I could see it being fun for people who like BLM/MNK type Jobs and want more of them. One thing I think is that the Caster role right now really nails heterogeneity. Each of the three (hell, four if we want to count BLU) feel very different to play, and it has a good spread of difficulties from SMN being really approachable, RDM being somewhat approachable though difficult to optimize, and BLM being understandable in a very basic sense but not very approachable to play decently and very difficult to master. Slotting PCM in between RDM and BLM seems like a natural fit to fill in the one gap the role has and finish fleshing it out. My only question there is what could they add after that to the Caster role, but they have 6 years to figure that one out. :D

As someone who mostly plays melee dps, I am actually excited for Viper and Pictomancer. This expansion might see me go back to playing a magical dps since I had started as Black Mage. I like the job looks, but it is going to be weird seeing my character as a Pictomancer, seeing the color is more like pastels. Though I have a feeling the buff you are talking about with Viper seems like it might be the burst window for the job, like how Enshroud has more fast moving moves, and is the burst window for Reaper.

Im literally expect viper to turn-heads with its full reveal and pull out something crazy and make ppl say "Im definitely maining this in Dawntrail 😮"

Imagine if pictomancer plays like hunting horn in monster hunter where you have a few very similar base attack spells of different colours to piece together into a portrait, basically what the video said tbf bht hunting horn feels the closest comparison.

The twin blades look great and I'm excited to see the glams for the weapon! I actually was aware of Pictomancer as a job because of Bravely Default 2 and seeing as there are plenty of other jobs in BD2 that cross-over with the FF franchise, I knew it was a possibility (even if I wasn't sure what other FF game might have them)! Honestly, I'm excited to see both these jobs in game and play them both. I've never really had a melee that I've truly loved (Dragoon/Samurai is my preferred at the moment when I need to) so i'm hoping Viper fills in that niche for me more.

Definitely more excited about Viper over Picto Have been a Monk main since 2.X and would occasionally go Nin. So to see a job that could possibly be a combination of the two would be awesome

I'm a fan of both! Will be playing Viper through the MSQ (I like to use the "canon" job), and will check out Pictomancer afterwards.

I play casters(mostly red mage) and ninja so I'm honestly just super excited to have new jobs in both those categories. And twin blades are sick.

My guess is that DRG will be reworked to be more of a heavy hitter (fitting for the heavy armor melee trope) and Viper will be like old DRG as in lots of off GCDs resulting in fast paced gameplay (fitting for a scouting job).

I think scouting and casting will have more sets that match the new jobs aesthetic in DT

Interested in both, torn because I’m a caster main but I wanted DT to be the first expansion where I’m the cannon job. It just comes down to gameplay, if picto is SMN 2.0 then I’m good. Side note, does anyone have information on the hairstyle for the WoL in the trailer? I’m assuming ittl just be added day one?

I get a feeling that the spells for pictomancer will probably give a colored token similar to those given by Sam's combos. Whichever combination of color tokens you have when casting the skill or spell they'll give you to expend them will probably determine the aesthetic and effect of said skill/spell.

2 DPS release stinks. I wanted a tank. Viper *looks* cool, but I have little hope for how it plays. Pictomancer is for sure gonna be good.

I’m excited for viper because they said it’s Lore will be closely tied to the MSQ. The trailer showed that it will have some lightning themed attacks too. We just need a good remix of the thunder Plateau song from FFX.

Something very important to mention about Viper: The first GCD they do in the job trailer applies some sort of debuff. Obviously we can't tell what it is, but we can see the detriment visually appear on the morbol. So they likely have some sort of DoT to maintain or another debuff similar to Reaper perhaps? All speculation but they for sure have a debuff to apply on a GCD

Something I noticed in the trailer. The thing we all thought was the hint to Green Mage in the 6.5 MSQ, Krile is wearing as an earring in the trailer. Could this be an Easter egg for the Dawntrail pre order experience boost earring maybe?

Viper got that Zidane aesthetic, and FF9 is my favourite so I'm hyped

I love sword DPS jobs, and fast jobs with lots of OGCDs, so I'm picking up Viper right away!

One of the things I hope they do with Picto, is that weapons change the colours that are used. Like a weapon that it becomes monochromatic, or metallic colours, or even glitter. Theres a lot that you can do with it, even if its exclusive to something like Relic weapons.

I like them both! I want to try Viper because I enjoy high APM classes. Plus, from what I can tell Dawntrail still hasn't fixed healers and I'm a healer main, so if I want to play at all I'd need to embrace something new.

For me personally... Both are ok .. not hyped for either ... Gimme the dragoon rework so I can either celebrate or be bummed out (depending on if they ruin my main or make it better)

I love both the jobs! Probably gonna play Viper tbh but I’ll def be playing both for sure

I had my heart set on a sword and pistol. The concept made me think of Merlwyb. Viper looks cool, but I will reserve my judgment for when I play it. Pictomancer, on the other hand, is a job I'm really excited for. It blew my expectations of what a new casting job would look like. Seeing it in the expansion trailer and the job trailer gave me this fun and colorful vibe, and I can't wait to try it out.

still very curious about how theyll feel to play. machinist is always my favorite example of class fantasy + gameplay being in line because in overheat you shoot really fast. it's safe to assume viper will also have a burst dps stance every minute like other melee dps, but pictomancer i have no idea what they're gonna do

Any idea when we reckon we'll get the job action trailer for DT?

I don't play FFXIV anymore because it consumed my life, but it's still nice to look at the new exciting stuff. Great video Mr.Happy

I think for the pictomancer, when i first heard the name i went to a more serious thing. There is a mosnter group in the game Summoners war called art master, and it is really sharp looking, that is what i was picturing

As an artist im so glad picto got revealed

I just like that we got a bright and colourful class, joyful even. Dark and edgy is great and all but getting a happier aura'd class like the dancer is great.

Viper is a job that could go, for me, to one of the two directions: (1)either the "combined glaive" will be a burst mode, similar as the Reaper's Enshroud. (2)either changing from "swords kit" to "glaive kit" will determine different combos, something akin, but not equal, to the combined weapons that we saw in Bloodborne

I'll be running Viper through MSQ, but I'm definately levelling Picto on the side

Cannot wait for the media tour and all the hands on for every class. Viper definitely has my vote for coolest job since Gunbreaker.

I'm quite surprised to see you aren't negative about these Mr. Happy. Its nice to see you positive and not nit-picking things apart.

As someone who has sadly not been able to play for some time. I still need to finish Stormblood, and get to the first healer class that interested me (Sage). That and Phantasia into a Hrothgar lady from my bun

I’m very much looking forward to giving them both a go, especially Viper

Loving what I'm seeing from both of these classes, however, I don't think I'm seeing enough to pull me away from SMN and MCH. And hoping with some re-works to other classes, I'll continue with my normal classes in 7.0

Idea for picto. You paint the big pictures / long casts and to get through the cast you need to apply the color values I.e. cast the short spells. Long cast in the job video was shooting stars on a night sky. You start casting it and to complete it you need to cast earth atk spell for the yellow of the stars, once cast the stars of the big spell is painted, then you need to cast water spell for the darker blue of the night sky, and once completed the night sky part is painted in the big spell. You cast all the short spells / colours of your palette for the picture and once you’ve done them all the big spell is cast.

Definitiely curious if Viper is gonna join my rotations of mains! I tend to level Dancer and Ninja equally throughout MSQ and adore both so much so it'll be a tough sell despite loving the asthetic.

I'm super excited for pictomancer and its the first job I've ever said I'd "main" before it even releases. But MrHappy brings up a really good point which is that the paint brush and pallet are gonna look really out of place on a lot of existing caster outfits. That being said, I love glamming so it shouldn't be a big problem.

Never have I been so pumped to get everything to 90. I love using the ps5 trophy list to really help me find all kinds of new stuff to do

Why can't the Picto paint effects match the style in the CGI trailer? Glittery with a more muted color. It stilled popped visually but didn't clash with the background.

I think it’s beyond fair to say that people wanted/were mostly expecting Corsair and Geomancer/greenmage/SomeSortOfNatureyCaster. We got neither. While Yoshi ofc never promised them, the fact that we got neither during a timeframe that gamers are very clearly stating to devs “hey! Time to listen to us please” (BG3, Dragonflight, starfield failure) it’s just… bad, to be frank. This may be the first time since 1.0 that the ball has been dropped. Maybe it won’t end up that way but it’s certainly on the way.

Ninja with a failed bunny painting kinda thing for Pictomancer sounds cool, but I'm also thinking it should be like Dancer and kinda just have that, "Press the light up buttons" feel.

I have a feeling for Viper, it's going to be very similar to Reaper combined with Samurai's Kenki Gauge. For one thing, the opening attack to the Morbol did a debuff (hence the purple effect.) In addition, from what it feels like, it seems the non-combined mode might be required to increase a resource to then switch to combined mode. After a certain amount of combined mode attacks are used, you can then probably do the super buff that switches you out of combined mode. It's definitely going to follow the 2 minute window and still have the 2.5 GCD. I heavily doubt it will have an attack speed buff like Monk or Ninja.

Once I got over my disappointment of Viper not being more pirate, I quickly grew to love it. Pictomancer was love at first sight. First expan in a while where I'm excited to play both jobs. And then to not really get my chance as much cause I'm my FC's forever Tank.

loking forward to both jobs

I'm maining Viper, that was made for me xD but I'm happy for Pictomancer because of its look and I have some friends who are eager.

I make one glamour that fits all job armours, I'm going to have to do some work to fit Pictomancer into my caster set!

Im so ready for Pictomancer!! 🖌🎨🖼

Papachins mods are gonna go so hard when they release

From what little we've seen, I'm not all that impressed by viper yet but I'll still unlock it and try it out. If I do like it then I'm gonna have to choose between reaper and viper since I'm not the type of person who likes to grind for classes outside of the MSQ exp.

I've been a BLM main since Shadowbringers. Before that I was MCH, but I'll leave that detail away. If I'm honest tho, the one that I like the most of these two would be Viper. At first, I was really hyped to hear we were getting a new magic DPS. Hearing people predict Pictomancer made me interested/intrigued. What we got tho, I'm not too sure about it. Maybe I need to see more, like in a future job actions trailer or something, but it's not my aesthetic/style I'll say (both the job gear & how the spells look). I play all jobs, so I will end up playing Pictomancer eventually anyway. Matter of fact, my style of playing Dawntrail is I'm going to level both new jobs to Lv90 before I start the MSQ. Usually I head straight for MSQ, not this time. I'm slightly behind the MSQ right now anyway, 6.1, & don't feel like progressing now so I might as well do it when the new jobs are here & new balancing that the old jobs are likely to receive. Nice to start in a new way for the first time as well. I just know I'll definitely use my BLM glamour with the Pictomancer. But yeah, I got really off topic there, but Viper for me seems like the key new job this expansion. Will still remain a BLM main tho.

The reveals tell us very little (especially for Viper), so I don't have much opinion on either job. Viper's aesthetic appeals to me, but I would personally prefer pure dual wielding. Pictomancer doesn't appeal to me at all, aesthetically or conceptually.

Pictomancer was something that when it was announced I was meh about. Then as I watched and studied the trailer I've fallen for it a bit. I still need to know more of course, along with the things you mentioned I want to know if it has any self healing, I'm not a fan of dps jobs which lack it, I don't like the downtime when solo. Very interested to see more.

Viper: im interested but also worried about the job as i like the twinblades aspect but the dual blades one i dont and you pretty much always need to use the full job kit to properly use it.

Dual Blade is my jam. I've always liked classes who are about speed and I only play dual blades in Monster Hunter. For sure gonna try to main Viper and hopefully it's good.

That one Viper animation reminds me a lot of Tifa's Starshower from Remake.

The thing cool about these old MMOs is how insanely huge they are.

I might go Pictomancer in Dawntrail just because I have always gone into new expansion with a melee job so change of pace is in order.

I just know pictomancer is going to have some of the best glams ever, I'm excited. Not a fan of the sound effects though, i think its a little much and a bit too high pitched for the basic attacks and will quickly become grating

If you zoom in on Krile during the trailer you'll find her wearing the green clover as an earring. Is it still a green herring if it actually is being used, just not how we assumed? 😅

For your words on Viper. Guilty, because it's exactly what I wanted from a DPS class since ARR. Lots of RPGs I end up going dual swords because I like speed/mobility with a little flashiness. Also nostalgic, because my college art days I designed a game character for courses with dual blades and the AF alone is almost similar to what my OC looked like. There's layers to how happy I was to see that reveal. Picto is another good looking "fun" job. People need to play Bravely Defauly II where I feel the did more for the job than VI did as far as relevancy.

I bet all the consonants that play this game are gonna love playing as a picto. Definitely marketed toward them

9:07 : Palette not canvas. Canvas the thing you paint on. Your palette is where you place your paints that you're going to use so you can quickly get to them along with space to mix colors. 6:58 dumb question what was the 'double entendre' hint they gave us...?

I feel neither classes will become my "main" in their category. I was in the group hoping for green mage or geomancer since my WoL is kinda sorta a tree hugging hippy lol. A class that was nature oriented would've been perfect for her mage-wise. But I'll still play both classes regardless and I'm sure they'll both be very fun. But something we haven't heard much about yet is my main melee dps class' rework - Dragoon. Depending on the changes that may very well be the class I play through the new expansion with.