@@xblade149 never said they couldn't, just said why many people didn't/stopped liking him, I liked his idea but his comics he was bland for a while there til he got better writers
You're right, in the comics he had only half of the traits i liked and the other half was just this annoying kid who was blessed with arachnid powers and couldn't see the bright side of it or was just a little bland. As a black person myself, I thought that Miles was exactly like me and not just facial features i mean exactly. I'm more relating to the into the spider-verse Miles but some comic material does derive from me too. My dad (was) a police officer and my mom was somewhat of a nurse and although that version is into graffiti art, I was into comic book art. See? A lot of similarities.
I think the fact that Ri Ri Williams doesn't fall into stereotypical loud, uneducated, obsessed with materialism troupe that has been attached to all African American females is the reason for a lot of the hate the character receives.
While I love hearing about Bendis's passion when it comes to comics, I have to say that he writes his best when he doesn't have to worry about continuity.
Exactly when he has free reign it's great most of the time(see Ultimate Spider-Man) but when he has to work off established characters it can get bad(like his current run on Superman)
Even with movies people are quick to judge a director for a bad movie when in most cases it's the writers, sometimes even a director can't save a bad script
That's why the only real auteurs are writer-directors. There are some great directors and some great writers, but the ones that do both give us the most complete visions. There are also some terrible writer-directors who are just bad at one or the other and don't know when to delegate. Here's lookin' at you Shyamalan.
@@prophet1390 I have looked up what you have mentioned and... wow. Just wow. Thank you for bringing these to my attention. I want to say that this is a new low for all three of these trolls but they've already sunk so low. As for were I've been... all I'll say is far away from the Pauls (and Ricegum)
Tevya Smolka that is my logic too, I usually lay blame at these bad stories at not having a good author because a good author is usually able to make any story good. Also I don’t know if I ever told you this, but I love your pic with the Kent family during the Tomasi days when they were happy and together. I want that Kent family back.
@@TevyaSmolka There's also the Black Bomber. Who was a white Vietnam vet who would come into contact with a special chemical and turn into a black man who saved people. He was never actually produced, and was instead replaced by the character of Black Lightning. There are bad characters and bad writers, but any writer can make a bad character interesting. They just need to bother putting the time and dedication in.
This is really good breakdown not only of the character but of the reaction that we typically see regarding new characters. If Riri every makes it into the MCU I have faith that they'll handle the character better than Bendis did.
But...Riri Williams’ character flaws aren’t treated as character flaws. Can you point to a single page in a single comic where she was told she’s a sociopathic stuck up psychopath? Or anything resembling that? She gets constant emotional validation, told she’s amazing and great. She’s consistently essentially a super villain. lol
I think this right here is the biggest problem. These token characters can never do harm. They are put in their own little bubble because the writers are afraid to make a 'diverse' character who is anything other than perfect.
silversonic99 That only really applies if they are written by a Caucasian writer. It was also partly true for Miles when Bendis was writing but after he got a POC like Saladin Ahmed to write him, that has been less and less of an issue.
It hasn't been said explicitly (as fsr as I'm aware), but in Champions it was heavily implied she had trouble with social issues. Her teammates expressed concern about how disconnected she seemed with the rest of the team.
This is why I always loved your channel. You have insightful conversations about comics without jumping to some drastic conspiracy like conclusions ( SJW propaganda ). I’ve been seeing some of my favorite youtubers have fallen down this sjw rabbit hole where they just call everything they hate or includes anything remotely gay, female, or minority based sjw and I am glad you Comics Drake have stood your ground and continued to provide quality information about comics.
Very much agreed with. They kinda end up becoming the people they claim to be against but just on the opposite end of the spectrum. If there is something that features a predominantly white casts, SJWs will rage over it. If something features predominantly minority cast, Anti-SJWs will rage over it. It's a shame but I suppose that's what happens when people jump on bandwagons. I certainly don't have a problem with giving criticisms but at the very least, have it be meaningful and valid. Not what it's detriorated into.
Great revisit for a topic still relevant to the comic world. I think what saved Riri and the rest of them moving to their own series with Champions. It gave them more room to breathe while Iron Man, and every other established character replaced by a "hip new and younger" version, got their titles back. There's some genuinely moments in Champions when they're handling smaller scale problems and even some bigger problems like Black Widow having to train Miles to kill in Secret Empire was beautiful. The thing that soured most comic fans (and not just people looking to scream about something on the internet) wasn't who replaced them - it was that they were replaced at all. They felt like we were being hocked off-brand cereal and told it was the definitive and only version of what we loved. They're fine if you like them as their own but they never felt like anything more than a knock-off of what we actually wanted. By shuffling them into a separate storyline away from the established hero, they have time to grow into their own characters while giving the fans back the traditional ones they grew to love over the years. Case in point: Amadeus Cho and Bruce Banner. Banner is one of the most iconic characters in the Marvel universe and it's not an understatement to say he's one of the few characters with a literally infinite powerset, but it takes a heavy toll. The genius yet meek scientist giving into his anger always has a price to pay and it's been a key plot point in many of his stories. Then we got Amadeus Cho. He's always been around and he was an alright character on his own or as a sidekick to Hulk or Hercules. But seemingly out of nowhere he becomes a better version of the Hulk. Super intelligent, super strong, and super young (if you couldn't tell by his soon-to-be outdated lingo.) The Hulk we loved was dead (for a bit) and this was the only version. Hope you enjoy cringey one-liners that are awful by even comic book standards... (Also, is no one going to talk about how an Asian superhero got stronger the more he concentrated, so he did math problems in his head? Because, uh... yeah... I'm only slightly over-exaggerating that...) Then Zub's run of Champions came and I have to say - it really did fix everything. Banner came back and Cho was extremely depowered to a realistic level to put him in line with the rest of the Champions and a fair balance given his other perks. Banner is now the only actual Hulk again and Cho is now known as Brawn. Coincidentally, this is also at the same time with Ironheart's new unique suit, Sam Alexander being stripped of his Nova status, and they're now grounded with their narrative focus being on stopping smaller crimes and personal growth. And just like that they aren't the dollar store cereal pretending to be name brand ones... they became their own separate heroes. The Champions aren't the new Avengers (or new New Avengers) and they never would at the pace they were going. Now they are what they should have been in the first place - a bunch of teenagers learning to be superheroes. Those little changes made them so much better and something that I actually enjoy reading.
I actually like Riri and hope that she enjoys the the same the success that Miles is beginning to have one day. She’s slowly becoming more and more of her own character each time she appears.
Into the Spider-Verse definitely brought Miles into his own amazing character and the game definitely reinforced that. Miles in the comics was way too similar to Peter and was less if his own character and had less depth. He’s such a fantastic character now.
@@pokejoseph Literally explained in the video that at the time Riri was introduced for the "replacement Iron Man" he was dead. Rhodey doesn't get as much love as he should.
Perhaps certain people were thinking of the wrong trope when they criticized Riri as a Mary Sue when maybe she was more of a Creators Pet (AKA The Wesley.) However, she ceased to be that once Bendis left the title and other creators like Jim Zub took over. Frankly, I just find Riri too boring to even give a second thought. Additionally, there are HUNDREDS of characters that Marvel created in decades past that now languish in obscurity (like the New Warriors, Power Pack, Slingers, Darkhawk, etc.) that may make an appearance once in a blue moon. There is really no real need to emotionally invest in her when she will likely fade away. And then there is the fact that RiRi came hot off the heels of "Captain Falcon" and Jane Foster Thor, which were controversial in themselves so she caught some heat from there.
I doubt shes just gonna disappear even if she doesn't work out, she'll just remain on the Champions or even get shuffled back into the Iron Man series as a supporting character. Marvel has been pretty committed to keeping most of this current generation of young heroes around one way or another. Regardless of how people feel about Riri or the other young heroes, at least Marvel isn't completely giving up on em after some backlash, and still trying to make something work. Except Alpha, he was horrible.
@Snoi Med replacing a long-time fan favorite/iconic character is always controversial. Falcon just happened to be the logical, obvious choice, but I am an old fart and I promise you back in the day, replacing Tony with Rhodey was not well taken either. Even though today the natural replacement to Tony is Rhodey (since he's done it a few times) and everyone is pretty much down with that. You could replace Wolverine with Wolverine (Jimmy) or Wolverine (Laura) or Superman with Superboy (his in-universe successor) or Jon (his actual son) or Chris (his adopted son) and people would find it controversial. This is one of those things that doesn't usually go over well except with B-List supervillains in general. Falcon just was a much easier pill to swallow, but it was still a pill to swallow (replacing Cap) for a lot of fans. Let's not forget the absolute hatred for Captain Hydra, even though it was plainly obvious that this was a storyline thing. Messing with Cap's presence in any way makes people iffy.
As a Miles Morales fan I love the exposure that Into the Spider-Verse is giving him. As someone who neither loves nor hates Riri Williams, I don’t get the extreme hate that was thrown at her when she had her introduction. I guess a lot of it comes down to them thinking that she was here to replace a popular character like Tony Stark, but this is comics outside of a few people death is never permanent and even then Bucky Barnes and Jason Todd came back after years of people saying that they were not going to. As for my favorites on the newer diverse characters they would have to be Miles Morales as Spider-Man, Jane Foster as Thor, and Khamala Khan as Ms Marvel, I don’t know if Gwenpool counts, but I love her too. I am also willing to give Riri Williams a chance in her new solo series since I hear good things about it too.
I'm glad that you've explained more about Riri in this video since it helps me to understand who she is. I still think that the timing of the release, the pacing of the writing, or the way she was written is likely what hasn't helped people adjust to her yet. I haven't read the comics, but I do agree that it should either have been Rhodey's niece or someone Tony had significant interactions with who would have been taking over as Iron Man since Iron Man uses Tony's tech while Spiderman works with the powers from the bite. Rhodey's niece who didn't know Tony well makes as much Riri since depending on how close Tony and Rhodey were, Tony would have known about Rhodey's niece and may have trusted her to take over (this depends on how much time passed between Rhodey's death, the Civil War events, and Tony falling into a coma since I picture this as a backup protocol in case anything happens and could have changed with Rhodey's death). Even if Tony only knew about Rhodey's niece, Rhodey (if he was alive) could have still helped his niece depending on how similar the suits are. Although it seems like Riri's debut was poorly handled, it has the framework for a good story and character if handled carefully. My other point is that the clip you used to show why you were confused about people thinking that you thought Riri was really good was not the best way to show (at least without any additional context). I believe that you may have meant it in a way that showed that she was not all that great as a character, but it good still seem like you think that she is a really good character, but other additions were better or more enjoyable for you. It's DC comics rather than Marvel, but since I'm coming with mostly fan canon versions of the Robins(Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian), I would say that Tim Drake is my least favorite since he's the one I know the least about. Tim could be a really great character, but I haven't gotten enough information about him beyond the fanfiction ideas that he is extremely dependent on coffee, is the most detective like of the four, was the Robin who reminds Batman of who Batman was(based on the Batman is more violent after Jason's death), and is the co-CEO of Wayne Enterprises. That's based on fanfiction and not the actual comics/shows/movies, but is what I know of Tim. I feel like the other three seem distinct to me while Tim is just there. He's important and at least okay, but just there. However, I couldn't imagine him not being included in the stories I've read. Right now I feel similar about Riri, she's just there but could have been replaced with someone else who was already established (mostly because I haven't read the comics). I will say that since I'm getting the quick runs I won't try to say much about her Mary Sue-ness, but it seems like it comes from her not struggling because of her attitude and behaviors which is why she needed to be established as a person before or while becoming a major character. We've seen that Iron Man's flaws come back to hurt him in the end. He's arrogant/impulsive and reveals his address in Iron Man 3 (MCU), his house ends up blown up by the bad guys. He's bad at interacting with people, that's how his house ended up blown up. With Riri, it sounds like she has flaws and people don't address them in the stories. If they won't address the flaws, then it could make her feel like a Mary Sue. It would be like if there's a character who lies, who confessed that she may have lied about something, and everyone acts like the character who calls her out is the one who's in the wrong. (This seems to be happening in a show (or maybe fanfiction/both) that I've been watching. The person calling out the lies has other issues, but she's only called out when she's trying to prove that the liar is a liar and not when she's doing the concerning things. I wouldn't call the person a Mary Sue, but it could seem like she is one.)
Yeah, under Bendis she was kind of a jerk. She’s not a Mary Sue, but she wasn’t likable. The new writers in Champions and on her own book make her a lot more likable and compelling.
I completely agree with what you said, an awful lot of weight was placed on her when she was introduced, a lot more than Miles and certain... "critics", and I use that term incredibly charitably, moaning did not help. She just needed time to set in and for writers to iron out the kinks
Exactly. People read things from third party sites and immediately jump to the conclusion of whether or not it's good. People jumped to defend Riri and proclaim she was a good character purely because she was black and had flaws. While others rushed to object against her for the same reasons or because she was "replacing" a beloved character. She is bland and needs some work put into her character development, but saying she's outright bad is silly.
Drake I can’t believe I’m saying this but, i think you might be the best person to talk about this subject. No really, keep making these videos, go more in depth. Rock on.
The timing of your video is insane. I'm in the middle of editing a Ironheart bio myself. I can't offer much discussion that you're asking for but its nice to hear a criticism like yours.
I heavily support Riri and the Ironheart series mainly because Marvel gave her to an author who can actually represent her, a black woman from Chicago. I think it's the perfect fit to give Riri the best solo introduction and I love Ewing's work outside of comics as well. Of course I'm not saying a white person could never write Riri but if we want to get a true representation of Riri's life growing up and her academic life, it's best for now to turn to a black academic professor.
The push to put more diversity into the media, particularly with old properties like Star Wars, Marvel/DC, and many more, has been... at the very least interesting to watch unfold, for better and for worst. Personally, I think that quality needs to come before diversity. By that I mean that a story should be made with quality as the fore front. If the story is good, and has diverse characters, those diverse characters will be a plus, because having diversity in your cast could be a good way to make everyone distinct. Granted you need to make sure that they are more than JUST Black/Gay/Trans. If your diverse characters use the fact that they are diverse to improve the story, for commentary, for a character arc, or just being memorable, then the diversity is a asset to your story. To simplify, you should aim for a good story that happens to be diverse, than a diverse story above all else.
@@christophermonteith2774 Thanks, I tried my best. I'm glad you found it respectable, one day this era of internet backlash against diversity in media is going to make a very interesting documentary...
I think that their biggest problem is that people keep comparing them against each other rather than against their “peers.” I’m not calling anyone a racist, I’m saying that racism is deep in our culture. WHY are we AGAIN comparing them?
I've said it many times and I'll say it again, not EVERYONE hated Riri character. Hence, the issues that were sold. There are A LOT of folks who legitimately like her as I do and to say that she's flat out not a likable character is dismissing the tons of folks who've bought her books to show support despite the criticism.
Ppl still treat miles badly and will outright ignore anything good about him I really love these videos and really appreciate these view points since i am usually bombarded with vague ignorance which is really racism i cannot call ppl out on because they act they are the ones being bullied
Anyone that criticizes Miles at this point is blatantly ignoring things. While some content from comics may be pandering and shallow, Miles has already become a well-loved staple of the Spider-Verse. He's an interesting and fun character that worked his way up to popularity.
Everyone is entitled to liking or disliking anything they want. Personally I like miles in the movie but heard he is kinda boring in the comics. I haven't read many comics with him but the one were he appeared were kinda meh
@@tomasfong40 Liking and disliking something is entirely different to actual facts. Confusing the two is what leads people to being assholes about something they dislike, even if it is good.
One Dixie Cup Just For You you just said that it’s a subjective opinion. Then stated that people can be wrong with a subjective opinion. If I like a character then to me they’re a ‘good’ character even if someone else doesn’t and vice-versa. The overall ‘good’ or ‘bad’ comes from the general consensus about the character. I’m positive someone somewhere thinks Rose from TLJ is a good character but the general consensus says otherwise thus she is a bad character. The same goes for literally everything people assign the labels of good/bad/evil to. Thus TL;DR people typically don’t rag on a good character they dislike because they wouldn’t dislike them as a character if they were a good character.
@@cratwinterz200 People can have wrong opinions. Your opinion is what you enjoy. Not what's good and what isn't. I can hate something that's incredibly popular and genuinely good, but that's because I don't enjoy it. Not because it's quality is actually lessened by my dislike for it. Having an opinion doesn't make something's quality subjective at all. It makes what you like and dislike subjective. That's what opinions are meant to be.
Hi Drake, Thank you for the follow-up; your first video was good and I'm grateful for the further detail. I can't imagine you've had a great online discussion regarding these two, so I can understand your trepidations. I just felt like mentioning that a lot of those "armchair critics" you mentioned who you correctly pointed out have themselves singled out character flaws within RiRi would readily agree with you that those parts of her could paint a more human picture for readers to grasp on to, but where I suspect you differ with them is that they have high doubt in that those chips will ever get cashed in by the current Marvel writing staff (based on recent writing trends at least). While you are correct that time will play a factor in her legacy, the doubters will maintain she is a Mary Sue because nothing about her less savoury side ever seems to receive a response/reflection within the world (or from her writer), as if, "Oh, that's just RiRi, you'll get used to her." The doubters doubt whether or not a writer will come along who can impart a self-awareness to her whole scenario. This is just my best faith interpretation of what people may have taken as empty gripes from the internet. I'm glad you still keep the door open to talk, Drake. Kind regards.
Honestly, it’s a shame so many people resort to using buzzwords such as “Mary Sue” and try to pass it off as legitimate criticism, I am really sick of seeing titles like “SJW MARVEL RUINS COMICS11!!!!1” when they haven’t really done anything harmful. This video was refreshing to see, it has *actual* criticisms against Riri, something which was hard to find for a long while.
@@陳潔明-w6y Comics aren't dying because of their creative choices, they're dying because of bad business decisions those are two very different things Comics are dying because they lack marketing, not because some female character beat up some guy, if you think that SJWs are genuinely ruining comics or whatever then I don't know what to tell you. Also art is a preference, some say it looks bad while others say it's good. Yes, the comics industry has issues but "Mary Sues" and "SJWs" aren't among them.
This video showed up in my recommended feed and I'm now subscribed because of it. I love the detailed breakdown that assumes a basic level of knowledge, and I absolutely love the acknowledgment of bias and shortcomings and your moderate style.
If you want my honest opinion, Bendis needs to be put on elseworld anthologies. No need to worry about continuity since each story is it's own continuity and he can do whatever without effecting the mainstream version. That seems perfect for him.
Yo this the favorite video that you made it was stright forward, well written, honest and not afraid to hold to your point and the facts. How you read it was great to sometimes you get overly animated makes seem like weak half hearted pitch of your idea. In this one you sound confident and well informated. I like your channel alot i hope to see you head more in this direction being alot objective to your view and not worried of sound unbiased to others emontional reaction.
You didn’t come as hostile in your first vid on this topic. Hell on this vid you open my eyes some more. You did good, while yes I use to listen the Alt Sources I am starting open up my mind some.
I don't hate Riri but there are some issues with her arc as a character. Personally I would have set the story in a future where Tony has been dead for several years. This would allow both the readers and the fictional characters to see a world with out Iron Man, then cheer as Rere chooses to take up then mantle on her own volition. Without the help of other heroes, allowing Rere to stand on her own as Tony's successor.
Then how the hell would she interact with other pre-established characters then? You can't just dump a character you intend to be in the canon Marvel universe into the future like that unless you want to extremely limit the amount of characters she can interact with and bounce off, or the amount of big crossovers or teams she can be a part of and join.
I just started really getting into comics through Miles Morales, Riri, Kamala Khan, and in general The Champions. Personally I really liked Riri! I understand your problems with her but I really enjoyed her in the comics and she's one of my new favorite characters. Guess I'm just weird, lol.
I'm all about for letting people like what they like. I'm really glad that you're enjoying what you're reading and that you're now interested in the medium of comics. :)
The only thing i hate is when people say they dislike miles because. He is a clone of peter but then turn around and say they like ben and kaine who are literal clones of peter paker
I greatly appreciate this video. Once I clicked on it I thought it’d be another “SJW taking over everything, Marvel’s going to suck” kind of video but you thoroughly explain your viewpoint and presented an impressive argument, I honestly haven’t gotten to read much of Riri’s comic appearances yet so I can’t really have an in-depth conversation about it but I appreciate the work you put in this video
Thank you for being one of the few comictuber that isn't yelling "comic is dead!" or "sjws is ruining everything" like comicanddiversity and his friends. And you're one of the few people that actually cared about comics and not picking the obvious low hanging fruits. So good on ya!
I think it'll be interesting to see the reactions once Marvel Rising: Heart of Iron hits, since Riri is the focus. Considering the uneavenness of the Rising projects so far, it'll be interesting to see.
I will say this, Riri's new series has gotten me legitimately interested. Just like Miles' new series. I was of the (not unique) opinion that while Miles' wasn't *bad* he was boring. His new series is definitely resolving that issue.
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I think I subscribed to your channel after you did a collaboration on *NerdSync.* You seem to express your concerns in an even, balanced, fair, and complete manner. No, I haven't bought or read any of the *Miles Morales* or *Riri Williams* original hard copy comics. I have enjoyed what I have seen of them as characters, mostly here on RU-vid. Adding them to the landscape of the *MARVEL UNIVERSE* seems to have been a good idea. Generally, I'm happy neither character is as stupidly handled as I was afraid they might be. I've determined that the legions of *_'SJW HATERS'_* are themselves *CIDs **_(Confederate Injustice Defenders)_* -- people with no sense of integrity that nevertheless are overflowing with unfocused, unrelenting, unnecessary angst and vitriol. Screw 'em.
My opinion is that riri was hated more because she took the main universe iron man which no one really wanted while miles took the place of a spider man of a different universe who people kinda didn’t care about because it wasn’t the main universe spider man which people would probably hate
The issue is she's just a younger, black, smarter Tony Stark. There is nothing different about her other than her race, age, and intelligence. Miles has his OWN suit, his OWN powers, and his universe is filled with different villains. (yes they're the same villain, but they're VERY different not only gender wise, but also their backstories, and suits) RiRi Williams doesn't do anything new, she doesn't change her armor to be her own version, she doesn't have different suit purposes, hell pretty sure TonyStark is ALIVE in her comics, but just in a coma. Like...her story makes absolutely no sense. Tony Stark was able to build a small stark reactor in a cave, and is the worlds smartest man, saving earth from intergalactic threats, and yet there's a girl who...is randomly able to reverse engineer his latest tech at like half his age? It makes absolutely zero sense. If she did manage to reverse engineer that, okay cool, maybe she IS a kid genius but the blatant copy paste here you go, is what makes me mad personally. She doesn't do anything different, the suit design is basically the same thing. At least with Miles, sure the suit still has the core 'spiderman' look. But that shit WORKS because it's different while keeping to core values, along with adapting to the in universe changes. Shit, Wakanda had made different black panther suits, all slightly different, and at the time of two black panthers you could CLEARLY tell which was which based on very basic minute color changes. One was black with gold accents the other Black with silver/ purple accents. Miles is Black/Red, with different pants, a hoodie, and just a more modern flair. While Peter Parker is red/white in a body suit. Each Spiderman suit while it had core similarities, stayed different based on small changes. RiRi Williams is just female ironman. Peppers suit was uniquely Pepper, instead of Red/Gold it was Blue/White with a different shape (she's a woman) and had different attachments. It was a bad move to try to make a different tony stark, and not make any of it unique other than a gender twist, and a race twist.
I think what Mary Sue's supposed to mean is it isn't that it's a character without any flaws, but it's a character that never faces any consequences. Since character flaws are subjective. While consequences are concrete
This was great Drake. This video was way more put together than your last one. I like that you listed the flaws and some of the good of the characters in a more constructed way. I haven't read the new stuff of the new heroes there launcher but I think the writers or whoever incharge were impatient, if characters like riri were written better or even introduced as a sidekick before, people could develop an attachment to them. But they tried to force them right into the main hero role with little respect to the predecessor which would naturally make fans upset. Or they can just make brand new diverse hero and give them there own lines instead of replacing other established ones so easily or like you said use pre-existing diverse characters more.
8:09 Also they kinda fixed Sheng chi as well in the movie. Honestly I really hope we see an upcoming trend where people take infamously bad media with loads of great potential, and make the best possible versions of them.
While I didn't like Riri when she first came out, I'm definitely indifferent about her now. I guess they were just trying make the Kamala Khan lightning strike twice, but failed to notice how much fans would get defensive about their favorite character being snuffed out for this relative no one. But I am over the moon about how furious I am about how they aged Jon Kent 6 years in the Superman comics, as Jon was absolutely adorable and Superson was my favorite comic book at the time. Jon really brought out the best out of Damian, and now he's definitely regressing as a character, I feel.
I read a lot of second hand comics because they’re cheaper. This type of things could be a reason that the number of people who have bought the comic and the number claiming to have read it are so different. Many variables. I still see your point
Riri Williams under BMB is a totally different character than what we have now. Eve Ewing actually gave her a personality, and a useful supporting cast.
Spider-Verse solidified Miles' place as a "Spider-Man." If Riri got similar treatment (like if they bring Riri in the MCU if Tony dies in Endgame) I think that might be one way to help her character out. Of course, if they bring Riri in the MCU, they need to do it the right way that respects the original but also distinguishes the character from her predecessor, aside from gender and race. They need to make Riri an actual character. While it'd be challenging, I think with the right writers and casting, they could essentially repeat the success of 2008's Iron Man
I think the reason your original video did so well was partially due to Into The Spider-verse and the algorithm was nice for a change since people were trying to find out more about Miles Morales....at least that's how I found out
Love your channel. I recently unsubscribe to a number of channels because they where starting to sound like the comic equivalent of sports radio. Load mouth hosts and rabid fans who think saying woke, SJW and Mary Sue makes an affective argument. Any keep up the good work.
Well Robert Downy Jr. has suggested that Riri be incorporated into the MCU, which would be fine to me. I never understood all the hate she's gotten. Her character does seem somewhat bland but I only own one of her comics but I'm still interested in how she'll devolp and I find her concept intriguing.
There's always going to be hate for replacement superheroes because they grow attached to the old ones. But in this case it's just the Anti-SJWs just hating because they think Marvel have gone loopy.
In the beginning Miles Morales was a poor copy of Peter Parker until the Spider-Verse movie and other writers changed his character to make him more likable and interesting, But the comics had great ideas but they were never used
You make a valid point. There are no such things as bad characters, just bad writers. I can probably see many characters that may be considered bad to be reborn by a really good writer. Heck, Calender Man was not well liked when he came out. But now he's a creepy phycopath. And I also agree that diversity can be portrayed within stories, but attempting to replace characters that people already like is not a good idea. (Especially considering that there are characters you could use already.) And it's true that not all people like the same thing. So it's a good idea to have diversity at multiple angles. Not just one.
When i first read riri's comic i thought she seemed cool but she didnt seem like her own character to me. So im glad she is being given more time on the pages to be fleshed out.
Thanks for another discussion video Comic Drake!! Marvel Rising animated episode with RiRi Williams will help her character out! It will be a one hour episode special!!
I personally love miles and riri. Have loved them both from the start. I will admit that part of the love for them is them being black, but I love riri because of how flawed she is. She is a teenager who is a genius. When someone is smart and they know they are smart they tend to be ass holes, specially at young ages. Also I hate the "Mary Sue" term because the way most people throw it around would make every main character ever a Mary Sue.
I think that Riri has the potential to be a great character, just like Miles. The points that you brought up about introduction to the character, are the same ones I use when I hear people either praising her, or complaining about her, they didn't introduce her well, if they would have done similar to Miles, I think the backlash would have gone away a lot sooner. I just don't like how she was written at the beginning, but I'm at least willing to give her a chance.
Genuine question here, as I've not read any comics in years, but does Riri have any serious consequences as a result of her flaws and mistakes? I'm in the camp where, it's not a basic "lack of flaw" that makes a character a MS, but it's much more about them getting away with things with nothing negative happening as a result. I've read a little of Mile's comics here and there, so I already know that he has that happen, as does Peter (AKA, the entire Uncle Ben thing), hence me only asking about her. Also side note, but I feel like part of why Mile's is more accepted has to do with him actually having some differences from Peter, including having unique powers.
Riri Williams definitely own her spot as Ironheart now. She became very popular with most of African-American young girls and a character on the Marvel's: Horizon and 2017 Spider-Man animated series plus she about to headline in her own Disney+ live action show!!!
I do agree Bendis did a few things wrong with Riri. I have enjoyed her charecter growth & knew she would never replace Tony. That she would be the one to find Tony. I did see her as sociopathic but instead someone who had autism. I have autism & have a hard time reading people's emotions as well as expressing them. I felt that connection to Riri. I loved when Riri joined the champions becuase it felt like she was finally growing. That Riri learned what types of threats face her if she stays a hero. But she moved forward with that. The special friendship she forms with Brawn (former totally awesome Hulk) and romantic sub plot with Viv. It's interesting to see how Riri handles interactions with other teen as friends. Like their school shooting special & you see how indifferent as well as angry she can be. Having lost so many people infront of her. But as the champions relaunched with a bigger team it starts to feel like they are a young justice clone & tackling bigger topics. One of them being how Riri feels about Viv. Riri seemed more mad Viv kissed her & is acting like it's normal. I'm guessing Riri isn't used LGBTQ charecters. That she might be interested in Viv or she doesn't know how to handle her friend who likes girls. It seems like Marvel is doing their famous not talking to each other about what's going on in other books. For instance Riri starts showing romantic interest in a boy she only has had a few interactions with. If you read the champions to it feels like she is running away from her gay thoughts or is trying remind herself she is straight. But reading them both it feels like they just don't talk to each other. Sorry for rambling
The main problem I have with marvel is that they are basically saying minority characters only become popular if they take a white man’s mantle. They should just promote the characters they already have.
I didn't care about how Riri was introduced as I hardly think the origin of a character is all that important. Well, at least not for the newer characters that have come out. I'm glad that she's being retooled and very happy that you included that within the video. Anyways keep up the good work as it was nice to hear someone talk about this without tossing shade. Mad props!
Is the new iron heart solo series good? No matter what people say I’ll prolly still buy it 2 make up my own mind even though a video that will likely attract a lot of riri haters prolly isn’t the best place 2 ask this lol also no spoilers please
I want to learn more about Ironheart after watching the recent Wakanda Forever trailer and this video and the proceeding one were the first results. It looks like we've made some progress after all with Riri!
I liked Riri Williams, though it really seemed like Bendis timed her arrival bad. The first few appearances, the build-up was good, but then the Event happened, and the swap came so suddenly.Then again, that was part of the Theme. Riris story was one of "How the hell did I get here?" Tony was impressed by her reverse engineering his suit, and basically decided to tutor her, and...suddenly he's gone and she inherited the title of Iron Man, which she never wanted. And yet she had to DEFEND it against Doctor Doom!Her backstory was good, and I liked her tenure in the Iron Man comics, but it seemed too much like the new one having to fill shoes way too big for her. So once Tony was back, and she could join the Champions, her character had a way better chance to shine. That said, she's one of the few "Main Guy Replacements" I don't wish they had kept. Though I'm not really a fan of current Iron Man, the Character of Tony Stark is a bit too unique to replace. And if anything, Doom-Stark would have been better. No, if I could choose replacements to stay, I would have chosen Wolverine (Laura Kinney >>> Logan, and we would have kept Old Man Logan anyway), Thor (Jane Foster was an outstanding Thor! And we still had the Odinson) and maybe Sam Wilson as a second Cap (I loved his run. And his reappearance in Secret Empire was so satisfying!). The only returning character, who so far convinced me, his return was a good idea, was Bruce Banner.
Imma just ask again since I'd like the advice: What would Doctor DOOM do when he finds out a teenage prodigy owned his country? Nothing? Thanos AND DOOM? these connections for potential conflict give IronHeart and solo off world storyline. THAT SOUNDS COOL
If Brian Michael Bendis ever read this comment (fat chance XD), it would make my day: -Make you comic books bi-weekly or weekly (cause pacing for the trade can be tiresome and a pain in the ass of a wait if you do it monthly or , dare I say, bi-monthly). -Make your stories as ambitious as you can, but remember to respect continuity. -Don't be shy on asking people on how to improve your writing (especially your editors). IMHO, you can keep writing like this, I'm not against it, but these tips could improve it.
A lot of things you say show how Iron Heart is just another Iron Man. And that's my problem with Riri. She's just another Iron Man without as many flaws who didn't have to put in as much work, and was still great. One thing I like about her is how she's the reason Iron Man's Model Prime armor was created. Tony wanted to one up her because she was trying too hard to be like him so he stepped it up and made such a great suit.
I’m really glad we have a good movie that not only brings more attention to Miles but also it introduced a lot of people to him and more of established him as the new ultimate Spider-Man (aka the black Spider-Man). Honestly I didn’t even know there was a black Spider-Man until I heard of the movie. Now I freaking LOVE Miles Morales
Okay. question to ya and fake fans alike. now that Riri got her own book on unique suit design and a title book says ironheart would you buy it will you give her some support it? Or it's going to be like falcon( who people claim the love) after he done being Captain America where is book only last 8 issue?
