My Salmon River Setup - How I get Salmon to Bite... Sometimes

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My Salmon River Setup - How I get Salmon to Bite... Sometimes
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I've been thinking about doing a "How To" video on the Salmon River for years! Well I finally did it and I hope it helps people. I get salmon to bite but it is often MUCH harder to fish that way. I give overall information on Salmon Fishing and the Salmon River as well as how I target and fish for these monsters. I break down my salmon fishing setups in detail and provide lots of tips along the way!
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MY SALMON SETUP
Rod: amzn.to/2LJ0Gcc
Reel: LLBean Shearwater
Fly Line: amzn.to/2Ofy2RK
Leader\Tippet Materials - Rio FlouroFlex: amzn.to/2EJKczW
Sighter Material - Amnesia: www.fishusa.com/Amnesia-Shoot...
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MY LEADER SETUP (for my 11'6" Switch Rod)
Section 1 (Main Line) - 10-11' of 20# Mono or Fluoro
-- Triple Surgeon's Knot --
Section 2 (Sighter) - 3-4' of 20# Amnesia Mono Red or Yellow (I like using both 2'red, then 2' yellow)
-- Triple Surgeon's Knot --
Section 3 (Main Tippet) - Fluorocarbon - Length depends on depth of water, Strength depends on water conditions. Typically 6' of 12-20#
-- Triple Surgeon's Knot -- Leave a tag end for split shot (use the smallest amount of split shot to get your fly down)
Section 4 (Tippet) - 18" from weight to fly. Short length minimizes accidental flossing
-- Clinch Knot --
Typically a Wooly Bugger as the fly (tied heavy): • Salmon River Wooly Bug...
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Other Salmon\Steelhead Videos
September Salmon 2019 - Part 1: • September Salmon 2019 ...
September Salmon 2019 - Part 2: • PART 2 - September Sal...
Salmon River 2018 - Biting Salmon: • Biting Salmon - Salmon...
Salmon River 2017 - Epic Salmon Fishing: • Salmon River, NY Epic ...
Steelhead Spring Run 2019 - Episode 1: • Steelhead Spring Run E...
Steelhead Spring Run 2019 - Episode 2: • Steelhead Spring Run E...
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@jerrypruitt5072 2 года назад

Fantastic information!

@bigo8524 2 года назад

Well done!! Thanks for all the effort you put into this.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

You're welcome! I hope it helped!

@heathbutler6559 3 года назад

I've been going to the Salmon River for 8 years now, totally agree with everything you said. Finding fish with less pressure seems to be the key! Also have had luck fishing the Sandy Creek as well.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

that's awesome! Do you fish main river (above DSR) and still have luck? My efforts have been focused on the DSR but I'm trying to understand if main river areas away from crowds have a similar feel and experience or not....

@heathbutler6559 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany I fish several areas, more distance from the accesses and timing play a role. The upper and lower fly sections seem, to be producers as well.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

When I referenced the story of my first take in the upper river... that was the upper fly zone. That is my favorite stretch of water for steelies!

@peterjesch8834 3 года назад

Great video as usual man. Water is low and clear this year so it may be tough. I've heard so guys in the DSR have had some killer days though! I have personally seen these things bite when the conditions are right and the fishing pressure is low. Good luck this year my friend!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Thanks!. Yeah.. I'll be prepared for low water conditions. I have all sorts of tippet options in my bag of tricks :)

@Thebreadedfurflinger Год назад

Great advice right upfront & awesome information,have caught many salmon & always learning,my favorite way is to look for a spawing pair,then look down river,there's always a bachelor group waiting to move in & very pumped up,passing any fly by them seems to cause a quick reaction & doesn't effect the pair spawing,tight lines & bent rods 🤙

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

Yes! I totally agree with you! And you might find a steelhead or brown hanging behind a spawning pair picking off their eggs as they drop them!

@giorgio99 2 года назад

Best breakdown I have seen. They might not be eating but they definitely bite. Took me 3 hrs my first trip and I saw my first salmon u turn and swallow my woolly. I was hook them and now I'm teaching others how to get real bites so I definitely appreciate your video and techniques. Great video.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Thank you! Every person who can experience a salmon taking a fly will never forget it! And thank you for teaching others!!!

@MrSurfangler 2 года назад

We’re you tight one nymphing or inidicator nymphing? Swinging it?

@carterb.6963 3 года назад

I love your videos there are so informational and really help me a lot

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

That's awesome! I love to hear that!

@wildbrookies 3 года назад

Very informative and descriptive video on how to try to get these Kings the legal way. I can’t ever remember seeing a video that explained it exactly to the “T”. Good job! A lot of guys will definitely benefit from your video. Now go get some fish!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Thank you! Honestly if a few people can learn how to do it then maybe we slowly change the direction of how the river is fished... to a point anyway. I'm definitely gonna try to get my share of fish.. Only got one day but I'll try to make it count this year!

@shanebussell6266 3 года назад

Great video man. Good luck on the river

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Thanks! You too!

@shanebussell6266 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany ill be waiting for the video and ill be up the 17th of October for a week

@crestonlaager3216 2 года назад

Enjoyed the video. I live about 2 hours east of the SR and I've been going there since I was able to drive, which is now around my 35th or 36th year fishing there. Like you, I was also hell-bent on catching fish legally, in the mouth as they say. And so, I must confirm your first observation, the lower you are in the river, the better your chances. I recall my first time in Douglaston over 30 years ago, the fish kept coming and coming and I'd hook a nice, fresh fish, only to have it run down the river, jumping, bull-dogging me; boy was it exhausting, but I'll never forget it as long as I live. That being said, I abandoned the salmon for a few years, becoming rather obsessed with steelhead, but the last several years, I've been back, though lately, I've taken to oversized, sunk Spey flies for catching them. Which leads me to confirm another of your observations (I'm a lawyer, you see, lol) and that shock when you see a fish fly across a pool to attack your fly - how completely exhilerating!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Love your comment!!! I'm not sure many people who go up there get to experience it like you have. My hope is that more and more people realize that salmon can bite and be downright aggressive in the right conditions. A friend and guide fishes up there all the time and he'll use plugs in the middle of the river, surrounded by people lifting and snagging... and he'll get laugh at from everyone until a salmon crushes his plug and it's deep in its mouth 😂 Then they're all crazy surprised.

@Thermopylae2007 10 месяцев назад

Back during my teens I recall becoming skeptical of salmon biting until I saw a few strike at a Kwikfish (lure similar to Flatfish) and later an aggressive spinner strike. While I've undoubtedly flossed fish since, I think that the more confident you are that they will strike, the more likely you'll give them greater space and fish them like a stream trout, which keeps them less spooked and more likely to aggressively bite.

@rxm01l 2 года назад

Thanks for putting out these Videos. Learned a lot from all of these videos. I plan to start using Fly instead of Spinning for Salmon fishing this year and will bring 13 and 14 years old boys with me. All of your videos are Very well informed.. Thank You very much..

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

You're welcome! Hope you and your boys have a great year up there! Looks like some early fish are being caught today.

@flyfishingodds6723 2 года назад

Hi, I really wanted to thank you for this video. I just bought a reel and rod to try catching salmon on a fly in BC. Tomorrow will be my first time attempting this and I found your video while searching how to setup my line. An NOW you're telling me that you've applied EuroNymphing technique to Slamon... You made my day since that's exactly the technique I've used for a while on my small setup #3. You've earned a subscriber and I guess I'll have to watch more of your stuff to see how you're doing things. I have one #8 10ft single handed and a spey #9 14ft. I don't know yet how tiered I'd get trying to "euronymph" with that 14ft but I have to see how this will work.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Your comment somehow ended up in the SPAM folder so I just saw it. How did the rods work out with Euro for Salmon?

@mikefedor78 3 года назад

Awesome informative video 👍

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Thanks... I just hope people can learn from it and it can influence some people to try to get salmon to bite.

@robgrubb420 3 года назад

hell yea brother! I'll cya out there

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Cool... Good luck up there! If you do see me, stop and say hi!

@Mark-ee8be Год назад

Feeling the rush...from Mich. King season....great tutorial

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

Thanks! Hope you're having a good season!

@billhammett174 Год назад

He is a good man - I'm listening to every word...

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

Thank you so much!!! I appreciate that!

@nfri5108 2 года назад

excellent!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Thanks!

@Snitchols 3 года назад

I see what you did there with the title. Great video with a lot of info, thanks for sharing.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Lol... It's never a guarantee but I pretty much always find fish willing to bite.

@chadmanzer1280 3 года назад

Love your videos we are going up Sunday for 4 days the lowest we can go is the black hole I feel above that spot they don’t bight they have been beat up he past 2 miles of the DNR

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Thank you! Appreciate it! If you're midweek you might get bites above there... especially if they have a good run then. We fished last fall between the town pool and ballpark (not my choice) but we still got bites... very little pressure when we were there though... very late for salmon (end of October).

@peterhurst5089 2 года назад

Thanks for this very informative video. I will be coming over from the U.K. in October to fish the Salmon River for the first time, so your video will be very helpful. I do wonder though why you don’t use a sinking leader. For example the Airflo polyleader which comes in either 5’ or 10’ lengths and has a variety of sink rates. I use these frequently when salmon fishing in the U.K. I would be grateful for any observations you have. Many thanks. Peter

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

If I were swinging for salmon I might do the same... but you often do not have room on this river to do that. I rarely swing for them. You can really only get away with that on the very lower portions of the river. Also... if you were to swing deep with a sinking line I fear you would snag a lot of fish. The fish can be big and plentiful in this river so when they're packed in you try to swing above them and get them to move up to your fly.

@suvsans9614 3 года назад

I usually fish off a boat at the mouth but this year I fished my first time in the river this year and threw a green egg on the fly rod and as I was making a recast I saw a salmon follow it from one side of a pool to my egg which really showed that they really are biting

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

I find rivers to be so dynamic and interesting... I like it WAY better than fishing lakes. The salmon really do bite in the right situations... It is tougher fishing... but it really can be done successfully!

@joecruse4531 Год назад

Bryan, I’m leading five other fly fishers end of September early October to salmon fish in the northern section of the lower peninsula of Michigan. I’ve fished there four times. I’m going to follow your recommendation on the switch Redington 8 wt 11.5’ rod, I have a large arbor Lamson Reel I used all the time on big fish (it’s got a great drag). As far as your sighter material goes I have found cutting lengths of 18” of alternating sighter colors and tying blood knots. I snip off one of the blood knot tags and leave one about 1” long. The tag that is left gives me another point of observation on a take. I just received purple marabou and chenille and I will be tying up black, olive, and purple Woolley Buggers for this trip. On previous trips I have had a lot of takes on size 6 dark colored stoneflies. I know you’re into tying quick and easy flies (because you go through so many flies with these kings). Have you ever tried stoneflies on spawning salmon. Thanks for all the recommendations and suggestions. I’ll be in touch soon on my newest Brown Trout print. Take care my friend, Joe

@tristensutherland2274 10 месяцев назад

First summer salmon fishing on the fly, it was funny. I realized the fish were pressured by lots of spin fishing so the modern streamer patterns weren’t very hot. Tied on an old Spey fly pattern and hooked up onto a steelhead of a lifetime. It broke my 3x tippet though😂. I’ve been trying to make presentations the fish have never seen before and have been seeing some success, even in the home waters. Maybe try it sometime, see if the philosophy works.

@jamienorris466 3 года назад

Thanks i was wondering if you want to try to catch steallhead and brown trout i would really apreasheat it thanks Cristian Norris

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

I would love to go catch steelhead and brown trout but it probably won't happen this year... :(

@alexfarney3406 3 года назад

i live about an hour from pulaski i landed my first king this weekend!!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Nice.. Congrats! And I'm jealous of your one hour drive. I got up at 2:40am last week to get up there for a day trip. Loooooong day.

@SeaSlider33 2 года назад

Question : You are using a 7 1/2 foot tippet from the sighter to the fly. correct? How far are you typically holding the sighter above the surface in 2 to 3 feet of water when fishing the flys more or less vertical? Also how does your leader setup differ for steelhead? Thanks

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Roughly about that length in tippet. In shallower water that is 2'-3' feet deep I would go a bit less probably (maybe 6'). It also depends how far away I'm fishing as I'll have more of an angle from my rod tip to my fly. The closer your fish to the rod tip the further the sighter would be above the water. The further away I fish the closer the sighter to the water. If I'm in 3 feet of water with the fly almost directly under the rod tip, using 6' of tippet from the sighter to the fly... I'm probably keeping the sighter almost a full 3 feet from the water. If I'm casting further out then maybe a foot off the water. If I have to use split shot on the line to get the fly down then I'm creating a hinge in my line... so that part would be near the bottom and I would have my sighter a little closer to the water to compensate for the hinge. The only change I make for steelhead is using lighter line on the tippet side. Again... that all depends on conditions. Low water, clear water conditions or spooky or pressured fish I go lighter. Faster water, aggressive fish conditions I go heavier. My typical tippet weight for steelies is 12-14#. I've gone as light as 8# in the middle of winter in pressured conditions. Never gone lighter than that.

@jerryhebert8991 3 года назад

First and foremost, I want to thank you for your honesty in explaining what really takes place with salmon catching on Salmon River during the fall run. Fishing the way you describe is done by very few and I commend you for passing your information along, you are a true fisherman. I don’t understand the need for the 10’ length of section 1 of your leader setup, followed by 4’ of amnesia as a sight indicator that you normally keep above the water? The regs for the upper and lower fly zones limit the leader length plus tippet to only 15’, this rig can not be used in those areas.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Thank you! I appreciate your comment! It's the rewarding way for me to fish. As for the leader... I don't fish salmon in the fly zones.. I focus on the lower river where the fish are fresh and more willing to take a fly. The reason for the long main section and sighter material is that they are much lighter than fly line. When you fish the way I do (basically euro nymphing) if the line that hangs out the tip of the rod is regular fly line you will experience "sag". Basically the weight of the fly line will want to hang straight down and pull the flies back toward you. It will not allow you to get a further reach while still maintaining a tight line to your flies which is essential for detecting strikes. Even when doing actual euro nymphing for trout I use a fly line specific to euro nymphing that is very thin to prevent that sag from happening. But I can't use that for salmon... I need something that can handle a 25 pound fish ripping line off my feel and trying to slow it down 😝

@rougehead5464 3 года назад

I love Steelhead because they just eat like crazy during runs. There’s nothing more rewarding though to get a salmon to bite. I only end up catching 5-10 salmon at max a season but at least I get them to hit

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Exactly! Totally agree!

@danielcowan1326 3 года назад

Hey brother! Hope all is well! Curious with your Redington Dually....do you change your leader set up when you wanna swing? Or leave it the same as when you're tight lining? Not sure if it would be easier to take a few pieces of the leader off and the sighter section off if you wanted to modify spey cast and swing buggers and/or streamers? Just wondering.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Yeah...If I want to swing I'll remove my leader for tight lining and add a long section of fluorocarbon line. I won't want the high visibility section and definitely not the swivel/tippet ring section with the tag end if I'm swinging. I keep it simple for the swing and just use a straight piece of fluoro.

@danielcowan1326 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany I figured. Thanks for replying man! I'll be on the DSR from Septsmber 25th-29th and October 10th-13th. Would be awesome to link up with ya and introduce myself

@kylesabangan5207 2 года назад

what fly line would you first and foremost recommend for an intermediate fly fishermen? i have a hard time selecting what to choose. i’m set on my backing - i just have trouble to chose what fly line to chose. so what would you recommend or your go-to?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I think it depends on the way you want to fish. I use the Rio Switch line for my switch rods (not the "Chucker" version). I like a longer taper.

@scottmather4721 Год назад

Great video. You mentioned that you like to put most of the weight on the fly rather than split shot. How do you do this?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

I use tungsten beads or cones and wrap the shank of the hook with lead. I kinda do it in the video I have linked here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vzQu_z44mIA.html but in the video I'm not using tungsten. I tie them a bit heavier than in the video now but I'll tie them in different weights so I can have some lighter ones if I'm in shallower water that doesn't need the additional weight.

@123vandrax Год назад

Always dreamt of fly fishing for Salmon seems a bit more complicated than throwing out a spinner for mackeral fishing that im used to?will i ever get started if ive got learning difficultys?ive caught a brown trout on a light fly rod it was amazing.I just pulled him in didnt use the reel i had at all it had no drag on it it was click and pawl

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

You could definitely connect with salmon in the right places and times. I would suggest hiring a guide your first time out so they can help you be successful. You'll be amazed at the size and power of these fish!

@nativestone1577 2 года назад

Skean is tuff in the river. To many fall fish that pick it apart, as soon as it hits the water most times.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I catch my share of fall fish on buggers too but I bet they kill the Skein.

@mikdin1 2 года назад

Great video. Are you familiar with the Echo OHS rods 10'4"? I'm wondering which one to get for steelhead there and the big browns? the 7 or 8 wt? Would be a good nymphing rod as well as streamers. I have a 11' 6" #8 switch rod like yours for the salmon. Wondering any thoughts?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I am not familiar with the Echo OHS rods. I almost made it out for steelhead this spring but then I got Covid from a work meeting and that trip got cancelled 🙄 I really want to do a Euro Nymphing for Steelhead video at some point. I would love to find a lighter setup for my rod though. That 11 foot 7wt gets pretty heavy fishing it all day. I want to see what other options may exist. I would say a 7wt is generally good for steelhead and browns. 8wt is probably gonna get heavy.

@davitticusmaximus4750 Год назад

I have the Echo 10'4" 7wt and used it for Salmon last weekend and had 7 on with it. I managed to land one. I thought it handled well.

@joecruse4531 2 года назад

Questions: You are using the RIO In Touch Switch Line. RIO shows two fly lines 1) In Touch Switch Line, 2) In Touch Switch Chucker. The packaging is identical except the words Line and Chucker. You mentioned in your video you use the RIO Switch Line because of the thinner taper (I think). Please confirm which fly line you prefer. For Steelhead are you using your sexi stone fly for you point fly? And what colors do steelhead like? Thank you and keep up the GREAT educational videos. Joe

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Yes... i use the regular switch line... not the Chucker. I used to use a similar line to the chucker previously and once you get past the short taper you can't get it out any further. The regular switch line has the longer taper which allows you to spey cast and really get it out there if you want. When I steelhead fish I am only allowed 1 fly. My main flies for steelies are (1) - Egg Patterns like the glo bug or other egg type flies, (2) wooly bugger or stone flies. I like black, brown or olive but sometime use purple.

@joecruse4531 2 года назад

Thank you for all the useful information about your salmon setup. I’ve caught Kings on 8 lbs tippet. Actually my first ever king was caught on a 8 lbs Chuck and tuck setup. I was introduced to salmon fishing from non traditional fly fishing guys. The first couple of years the C&T method was the only thing I used but my third year I went all fly fishing with heavy weighted floating line with a heavy tippet ~ 20 lbs and caught kings on large black or brown stone flies. I’ll be headed back to Michigan in 2023 where I will be trying your Euro Nymphing setup for Kings. I belong to Northern Kentucky Fly Fishers (NKFF) club. We are also looking for trout/salmon trips. Can you recommend an area(s) for us to explore? Thank you again for all the great videos you and your folks do, they are awesome. Happy Holidays

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I've never fished Michigan. My home area is Upstate NY. There are salmon and steelhead in a lot of the Lake Ontario and Lake Erie tribs. I fish the Salmon River mostly for those species. But I fish the rest of the state and Vermont for trout. I love the small streams trickling out of mountains for small native trout!

@Mark-ee8be Год назад

Try exploring Sault Ste Marie, Mi..St.Mary's river rapids below Superior's dam right after July 4th for some wild Atlantics and rainbows...some videos on line for the action..tips pointers,where to go.

@stonefly2066 2 года назад

What is the best mainline and leader euro setup for steelhead ?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Right now I go with the same leader setup as in this video except I'll drop my line sizes a bit. Maybe 17lb mainline and 12-14lb tippet... the lightest I go is 8lb. I really want to experiment a bit more with euro for steelhead and leaders in the coming years. I'm thinking of tweaking my setup a bit? But not sure exactly how yet.

@jimrodgers3260 3 года назад

Great video. Just back from a trip last week and had multiple, visible fish moving to whack a fly. The Coho were super aggressive.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

That's awesome! Cohos are a different beast and typically more aggressive than Kings. I was happy to land one yesterday. They are so clean and pretty compared to the Kings.

@jimrodgers3260 3 года назад

White Dog Outdoors further bonus to this method is sometimes you get a steelhead or brown to bite. A week ago, I got both on the same day to come to hand!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

@@jimrodgers3260 You got both a brown and a steelie?! Nice... that's a great day in my book! I have yet to get one of the big browns!

@jimrodgers3260 3 года назад

White Dog Outdoors First two fish of the day were a 22” steelhead and this massive 30” brown. twitter.com/jimrodgers13/status/1309272284486664193?s=21 closed out the slam with a coho and a king to follow. It was the first day of my trip and an epic one!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

@@jimrodgers3260 Oh My God... Crazy Awesome Brown!! So Jealous!

@kieranbrown9234 Год назад

Hey, boss quick question what reel size for the dually like a 7/8 weight or a 9/10? I see online and RU-vidrs say up the size if a spey rod is 7wt or 8wt then go 7/8wt to 9/10wt is that correct?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

The reel I have on it is a 7/8wt. It is not a spey rod though as it can be used one or two handed and is a few feet shorter than a spey rod. They're nice rods in that they can be used for almost any situation (euro nymphing, indicator nymphing or swinging).

@kylebaker5323 3 года назад

How do you attach section 1 to your fly line? (tried to listen for that) I know plenty of folks skip section 1 to keep the fly line outside the guides. Think they counteract the sag with more weight, but obviously there's big downsides to that. Most of the time I'm fishing it's for domestic trout and I euro nymph with an obnoxiously light and long system (25ft + tippet). Never really have to worry about that line/leader junction with trout but salmon/steelhead is another story.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

You can actually do the same with this (really long leader and keep the fly line on the reel)... just be aware that when you hook up that fish is gonna tear ass and your junction is going to go flying out your rod guides... which is why I don't do it. I just use a loop knot in my main line to connect to a braided loop I added to my fly line. I have tried tying directly to fly line but I find the line cuts into the flyline too much and makes me really nervous. The braided loops have been good to me outside of one occasion many years ago but that was my fault for not replacing it.

@kylebaker5323 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany Ah yes, great answer. Especially because I have a few of those braided loops lying around

@u20579h 10 месяцев назад

Many times, I fishing salmon and don't have much success. Can't feel line and bite. Thank you for good lesson

@stonefly2066 3 года назад

Do you use a sink tip ? If yes which one is good for 8wt reel on salmon season ?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

I don't use a sink tip. For my method I am trying to keep my line straight up and down with only the tippet section in the water. All of the weight should be in the fly itself. We are also not fishing deep water. I think even the people that swing for them don't use a sink tip in most situations as the water is not really that deep.. but I don't really swing for them so I don't really know for sure.

@stonefly2066 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany ...thank you

@joecruse4531 Год назад

Sorry, please disregard my other message. Do you still recommend the Redington Switch 8wt 11.5’ rod and are you still using the same hook to tie your purple Woolley buggers

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

Hey Joe... I missed your recent comments. I do still use the Redingtown Switch rod for salmon. If Diamondback made a rod for Salmon I would be using that though. As far as I know they only make the 6wt for steelhead (which I have and love).

@stonefly2066 3 года назад

Question...i have 2 rods...one is 12ft the other is 10ft...how long should be the leader each...the way you setup your rods with Amnesia....? Thanks !

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

When in doubt.. make the main line longer than you think you'll need it. You can always cut back the mainline portion easily... but make it to short and it gets more complicated to add to it while on the water. For the 10' rod I would go probably 9' of mainline, to 3' of amnesia to 6' of tippet. For the longer rod add probably 2' of main line to the formula above. Ultimately... see how it feels when you're on the water and make adjustments.

@stonefly2066 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany ...Thank you !

@thomasdworek7397 Год назад

How about a list of flies to use and how to tie a few with weight added

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

I have several of those videos on the channel. The best fly I use for salmon is my wooly bugger tied with a good amount of weight. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vzQu_z44mIA.html Then any egg pattern - This video is really old and pretty rough but the tie is the same - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_PIN1yg9o74.html The next would be the sexi stonefly - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IepkZymRBdU.html

@andyferfecki5548 10 месяцев назад

I’m not trying to floss them but sometimes it happens, because brother… you are flossing the fish 🤣😂😂

@Vizsyy Год назад

Is the reel an 8wt reel? Or do you size up on reel or line?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

I don't upsize my reels and line. For salmon I'm using an 8/9 weight reel with a switch line made for that weight.

@bobbunzzz 3 года назад

Finally a video that explains how to get them to hit.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

I hope it helps people! :) But... be prepared for harder fishing.. when they're aggressive it can be very good... but when they're not aggressive it can be very tough! If you're around fish but not getting bites, downsize your line and go smaller on your fly... try to eliminate anything on you line that would show them it isn't real (big split shot, swivels, etc). I have had situations where fish have boiled up and hit my flies when I've downsized even though no one else in a pool was hooking up.

@Recon-go7yg Год назад

Do you have a video of creating the rig set up?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

I don't have a video of me actually tying my leader setup for this one...

@Recon-go7yg Год назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany damn you should make one

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

@@Recon-go7yg I did one specific to my euro nymphing setup but not my salmon and steelhead setups.

@rushies4205 3 года назад

im trying to get a good spinning rod setup for salmon any recommendations?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Good Question! I haven't done any spinning for salmon or steelhead. I thought at one point that I might do it and bough a "Noodle Rod". They really long, flexible through the mid section but have a good backbone. I know people use them but I honestly don't have experience with them enough to tell you much more than that. But I think longer rods with softer top sections and a stiff backbone are what many people use.

@MedicinalAngler 2 года назад

Around here for spinners we use 10'-13' medium action rod 3000 size reel with 8lb mono . Never a noodle rod

@guitarhiker4449 10 месяцев назад

I like your leader formula but the maximum leader length on the salmon river in pulaski is 15ft. Your leader formula works out to a length of 21.5ft give or take a ft? Not sure if you are aware of that? I'm gonna try something similar just a little shorter. Thanks always for the setup breakdowns! Fish on!!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 10 месяцев назад

The leader restrictions are for the fly zones. I don’t fish salmon in the fly zones. When I steelhead fish I definitely have to keep to the 15’ leader restriction because I do fish in the fly zones.

@joemaese8268 2 года назад

im going for my first time this year and i loved this video thank you for making it!!! put quick question so you use that tippet material as your section 1 leader ?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I'll use either that tippet in a heavy weight or if you don't have that I've done regular fluorocarbon line... that is the heavy/stiff part... it doesn't need to be special.

@XavenMonsalud 3 года назад

When is the salmon run start and ends?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

You usually get some early sporadic fish in late August but they're few and far between. By mid-September we start to get fairly good numbers. End of September through middle October is usually the height of the run. By the end of October to early November thing pretty much wrap up for salmon but by then the steelhead are running well and they'll continue to run through March-April. Sept-April there are fish to be had... so a good long season.

@carterb.6963 3 года назад

Also btw I would use 12lb for you leader to your fly just because these fish are very like shy this year especially In the joss maybe even 8lb

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Yeah... I honestly fully expected that this year. But on the other hand if the water is low I may not need the extra line strength to land fish either. I doubt I'll fish Joss or any major pool. The last few years I've explored and found fish in faster water... but we'll see.

@JC-xc8rx 3 года назад

I went a week ago and they cut my 12 pound leader 3 times. 15 pounds worked fine.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

@@JC-xc8rx I ended up settling on 15# as well. That is what landed me most of my fish. I was losing to many with lighter line and I was still able to get bites with the 15# despite low water conditions.

@JC-xc8rx 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany I forgot to mention I used fluorocarbon. I went for steelhead but salmon were there yet. Coming back in November

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

@@JC-xc8rx Yeah... pretty early for steelhead yet. Maybe one here or there. November is primetime for them!

@peterock8217 3 года назад

I believe if your fly fishing you can use up to a 9ft leader

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Your "leader" can be as long as you want. The key is that weight on your line can at most 4 feet from the fly and at least 1 foot from the fly. And you're supposed to have a line break so the weight cannot slide up to close to the fly.

@pensnut08 3 года назад

I'm in my treestand but saw this drop... Put the earbuds in.. I can't wait for the "they don't bite" comments..

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Haha... I tried to be pretty honest about EVERYTHING!!! They do bite! And they don't! LOL.. totally depends on where you are. If you have never put yourself in the right situation you'll never experience it. Good luck this hunting season since you aren't coming up to the Salmon.

@pensnut08 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany I was watching a video from Michigan last night. He started burning his skein back in and king nailed it!! Thanks, I'm trying!! One so far.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

That's awesome! Congrats on the deer!

@PA_Flying Год назад

Doubt you’ll see this comment a year later but have you tried egg patterns for these kings if so what sized hook would it be on?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

I try to pay attention to all of my comments 🙂 I don't use egg patterns often for salmon but I use them heavily for steelies. I tie them the same way for salmon or steelhead. I tie them on a size 8 egg hook.

@PA_Flying Год назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany thanks for the reply man and hey maybe since the season is coming you could do a video on your favorite salmon/steelhead flies I’ve always seen people fly fishing up there when I go and I’ve been flossing these fish (not steelhead) for pretty much all of my 18 years and really want to try it and this channel is really helping me a lot thanks again man

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

It can be great fishing if they're aggressive and fresh but just be prepared to work hard for the bites 🙂 It is so worth it though! The fly I use almost exclusively for salmon is a wooly bugger... usually in black... sometimes in purple. I have it on the channel already. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vzQu_z44mIA.html

@scotia1964 3 года назад

Love the video, very informative. One question, If your using the 8 weight for Kings and Cohos and the 7 weight for steelhead, what are you using the 9 weight for?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Good question! It has to do with rod length and how that extra length helps you fight the fish. If I use a 9 foot rod for salmon then I'm definitely using a 9wt. At this point that is only a backup rod incase I break the switch rod. I can drop to an 8wt when using the longer (around 11') switch rod because the length gives me more power and leverage to fight the fish. When fishing for steelhead if I'm using a 9' rod (usually for smaller streams) then I'm using a 7wt or an 8wt. If I'm using the longer switch rod the 7wt is perfect.

@scotia1964 3 года назад

Thanks for the awesome reply!

@nativestone1577 2 года назад

One time at Douglaston, I used nightcrawlers during September salmon season. I was just messing around hoping to get a trout. Caught 5 kings and 2 coho salmon in about 4 hours. Never worked for me again. They all inhaled it. Just saying. The fish keeper guys asked me to stop with the worms , no live bait. Went back to flies/ egg sacks/ beads and never caught another legally hooked fish that day.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

Not a surprise! They definitely take. Hook placement will tell you a LOT about what happened. If the hook is deep they were definitely taking! You see that with the skein bites too!

@michaelmckelvey1299 3 года назад

Wish I could afford a fly rod and reel I’d be in the river thanks for the video tho

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

I hear ya... although you don't need an expensive rod and reel. I started with a cheap 9 foot 9wt I got from Dick's Sporting Goods for $50 and that baby landed a lot of salmon!

@sakanatsuri 8 месяцев назад

I caught 5-6 salmon (Chinook) using egg flies, and they are all hooked in mouth.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 8 месяцев назад

Awesome!

@stevenkatzenstein9750 2 года назад

You are fishing the Douglasin? Are you not?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

When I fish for salmon I am in the Douglaston. Best chance at fresh fish that want to bite and far less crowds.

@marylovesmakeup1000 2 года назад

Would a 10ft 7wt work?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I have used an 11' 7wt switch rod and caught salmon on it... but I don't recommend it highly. It is a little under gunned for these big salmon. But if that's what you have then give it a go and have fun and just be careful to not put too much pressure on the fish to protect your rod from breaking. If you play the fish well, use drag well and know the limits of the rod you should be able to do it. My personal favorite rod for salmon is an 11'6" 8wt switch rod.

@marylovesmakeup1000 2 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany how about a single hander?

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

@@marylovesmakeup1000 You might be able to get away with it. The more length you have in the rod the better. So a 10' 7wt is better than a 9' 7wt. It is still under gunned in my opinion. If I were using a shorter single hand rod then I would be using a 9 weight. Maybe an 8 weight if it is 10'. But if you don't want to invest in a new rod... then give it a go! Just know the limit of the rod and don't put so much pressure on a fish that you break the rod. Keep the rod low and to the side when fighting a fish.... if it runs like crazy (which they will) you might not be able to slow it down with a 7wt... hell a lot of times I can't slow them down with a big switch rod either lol.

@marylovesmakeup1000 2 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany thanks. I’m pretty nervous to give it a go but it is what it is.

@northerncast 9 месяцев назад

How do u floss

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 9 месяцев назад

Most people floss by putting heavy weight 4 feet up from the "fly" adn let the line come across the bottom of the river and across salmon's mouth.. You hook them on the outside of the mouth when the line comes across them. What we do is try to eliminate that possibility of flossing by the set up that I use. It still happens sometimes but no where near as much!

@paulpochak5127 2 года назад

Dually, like the truck (dual-ee)

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I always wondered how to actually say it... lol

@theodoretschannen6794 2 года назад

Fresh fish Bite. Maybe not be actively feeding but grabbing.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

YES... THEY... DO :) I wish more people realized that. It's the only way I'll fish them. Not gonna floss, lift or snag... I'd rather fish all day for 1 real bite than hook a hundred that didn't try to bite.

@stevenbabbitt1435 Год назад

Just watched this video for 2nd time. Glad you’re trying for bites. The leader/tippet setup you mentioned is not legal. You said 10’ of 20 pound to 3’ of sighter to another 5 to 6 ‘ then tippet. At that point you’re already 3’ feet longer than the legal 15’ leader allowed on SR by DEC.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

That regulation is for the Lower and Upper Fly Zones only. I don't salmon fish those locations because the fish are not too fresh up there. I have way better success lower in the river so I only fish for salmon down there. Now, Steelhead, I'll fish up there!

@stevenbabbitt1435 Год назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany you need to read the regulations it’s for all of the Eastern Lake Ontario tribs. Watched two gentlemen get ticketed for that very violation. In Ellis cove in 2018 and another guy couple years before that.So wanted to warn you.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

@@stevenbabbitt1435 I'll look further into it. I've looked in the past too and saw general angling regulations for the river except the fly zones where they limited it to 15 feet. Funny part is,, they're trying to keep people from flossing but then they let everyone use lead 4 feet from their fly which is just flossing anyway..

@cliffords9422 Год назад

I follow that you are basically using a Euro nymph technique, however you also say you often times put some weight on a portion of the tippet coming off your knot to the leader section. Now you have weight there and you are using heavily weighted flies. Doesn't that throw off the balance of the rig and increase the number of flossed fish? Also, why bother with the sighter section, especially in shallow water. If it's completely out of the water and you fish by feel, it doesn't seem to really be doing much for you. The river is very rocky in places, don't you get more snags when bottom bouncing than if you keep your flies 6-12" off the bottom. I think the fish are not actually sitting on the bottom so much as hovering above the bottom. Thank you.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany Год назад

All good insights! Yes. I am basically euro nymphing. On the Salmon River I can only use one fly so if that fly is not heavy enough then I have to add weight. If I do add weight then I am doing it where I would normally have a second fly so it feels the same as a double nymph rig. It does increase the risk of flossing a fish but since I keep the distance from weight to fly the minimum allowable, I reduce that risk as much as possible. The sighter does help even in shallow water when it is not as close to the surface of the water. It still helps me see where my flies are much easier than without it. Yes, I am typically targeting the bottom 6-12" of the water column. That is generally the slowest water and right where the fish are hovering.

@lloydbeebe3716 10 месяцев назад

My fifth year salmon fishing and I’ve had one fish a year bite. I live in Michigan. Early sept end of august they bite. After first week sept and they been snagged million times it’s over. So stay home or go floss them. Great video though. We all can keep pretending they bite all season. I watch guys every year spend their weekend floating skein and never fight a fish. No thanks.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 10 месяцев назад

"they been snagged million times it’s over." That's the key really. If you hit them fresh to the river before they have been pressured they are much more aggressive. I'm lucky that the lower portion of our main river is more ethically fished and managed so we have a few miles of river where they are really aggressive. Once they hit the gauntlet it is mostly (but not entirely) game over. I have a friend and guide who fishes the most contested area on the river by using a planar board and a plug behind it. When everyone is snagging around him, he can get to the fish they can't reach and gets them to smash plugs that just hang in the current. They can and will bite... if they are not pressured. Best of luck this year!

@butterfish3793 2 года назад

I when watched this video to see the the rod and reel you would recommend but the rod and reel you recommend is $500😕

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 2 года назад

I love the switch rods... and they're more expensive. But my first salmon/steelhead rod was a 9' 9wt that cost $50. It wasn't special by any means but it landed a ton of fish!!! I say get out there with what you can get your hands on and go fish!!!!

@butterfish3793 2 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany what switch fly rod did you get at first and what was your reel and (the switch rod double handed?)

@Chuakiagx3 2 года назад

I love flossing on the kenai river

@t.r.soutlawz893 3 года назад

Dude I'm 41 I've lived on the salmon river my whole life...I have been fly fishin since I was 8....salmon fo not feed during the spawn as soon as they enter the estuary they dont feed period....ur not explaining on ur site it is a.angry response not a bite....and I'm not here to argue I'm on that river ever single day of the year....feel free to ask for me any one will b able to point u in my direction ,simply ask where is Trumble!!!!!!!!

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 3 года назад

Trumble!! :) Go to the 3:00 mark and listen until about 4:10. That is exactly what I say.

@t.r.soutlawz893 3 года назад

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany sry missed that part

@roberta.k4213 9 месяцев назад

Yes they bite. It takes a long time to learn, but they do. Do the majority of salmon bite? Nope, So, be patient, look for unpressured fish,, etc, etc,,. I started writing a few examples, but the more I wrote, the more legit hookups came to mind,,, All I can say I had legit hookups with centerpin, swinging, dead drifting, high sticking, etc. You know when it’s a legit hookup.

@WhiteDogTrailCompany 9 месяцев назад

Totally agree! I want to try plugging for them myself one day.. to have a salmon crush a plug has to be awesome!