@@JustJoshTech This is why I like and trust your channel. You respond to user comments and take what they say into consideration. Very much enjoyed the video by the way!
I am visiting this channel because I think that the reviews are honest because you don't stick only to benchmarks and hardware, but on the user experience of using the device. I have one question though. If you change your daily driver laptop so rapidly you should have a very reliable stack of cloud providers (to keep your day-to-day data), password managers and backup solutions in general (NAS, etc.). Furthermore, you are jumping from windows to macOS so your solutions are supporting both operating systems. Maybe it's a good idea to elaborate on this and educate us in this aspect as well. In any case, thank you for the amazing work so far and my best wishes for the upcoming year!
@@JustJoshTech Yeah very keen for you to talk about all the software you use, I really enjoyed the video you put out a couple of years ago on productivity software
The greatest crime of this laptop is that it doesn't have an AMD option. This lap and the P1 genuinely could have been some of the best laptops in the industry if it wasn't contract locked to intel.
@@moneytrends5231 About 8 to 9 hours of work, BT mouse and headset, streaming youtube most of the time. Usually I use Onenote for documentation and Putty / RDP, most of the times alongside a VPN or some form of remote access.
I was a big fan of the thinkpad series of laptops. I am officially done with them. My x1 nano has a usb c port failure. My wife’s x1 carbon needed a motherboard replaced in 6 months. My P1 gen 4 needed a motherboard replaced in less than a year. It also has loud fans and horrendous battery life. I never had a MacBook fail on me.
I have always loved the Thinkbook build and especially amazing keyboard and trackpad. That keyboard though!! But yes, my $3300 P16s gets about 1 1/2 hrs battery life per charge, can't handle screen share on Teams calls without tremendous lag, and sounds like a tornado coming with those fans. One day I missed an hour of work because I jumped in the storm cellar, but it was just the Thinkpad fans, so all good. WHEW!! jk jk. But my 2021 M1 Pro MBP16 is a dream, ACTUAL all day battery life, and I agree with you, my Macs have never missed a beat. Too bad our industry specific software requires Windows... But... I am changing our company to newer Mac friendly options with only a couple of needs for Windows, so may make the move to use my Mac exclusively in about a Month. MBP16 = best track pad on the planet, Best battery life on the planet (I never even have to look at my battery or worry that I will run out, even on long teams or zoom calls with extensive screen share with groups, good keyboard (not as good as my Thinkpad though), best speakers on any laptop in the history of laptops, best screen (OLED is a little tough on my eyes but my Macs don't give me any eye fatigue.). Wish me luck on my MBP only move next month!
Thank you and I understand. I am going to address this in my full end of year update next Thursday. Its a live stream that i'm announcing. I think you'll be happy with what you hear
This seems like poor review. I hope the compensation for your effort was worth it because for me, this was worthless. Where is the comparison with AMD? Ryzen 7 7840u / Ryzen 5 7640u would have been a proper companion for a benchmark.
Everyone (over) hyped the keyboard of the X1 Carbon -- which is why I bought it. Oh boy was I disappointed about the mushy feel of the keys! I type a lot and therefore have high expectations for a keyboard (call me a "keyboard snob"). Maybe it was only my X1 Carbon sample, but this was the reason I actually returned it and grabbed the fantastic HP Dragonfly 4 from Costco instead! The latter is even lighter, has a better keyboard, lasts about 2 hours longer, and has a better screen! Admittedly, the HP's layout of the arrow keys for word editing is asinine, but I can live with it.
Big improvement by using the U series CPU from Intel. Even in balance mode, a Geekbench 6 multi-core score of 9,000 is good enough for 95% of business tasks. Especially traveling business sales or business consultants. With the Meteor Lake CPU, it will be even better. Improved battery and better GPU with the ARC GPU.
X1 Carbon's sticker price is $2,500-3,000 in most countries (apart from the U.S and China where everything is cheaper). In my eyes, it's no different than your average $800 laptop that I can put a rugged case on.
Yes, it starts at £2400 in the UK if you want the i7/16Gb version. We rarely get deals seen in China and the US, so this machine is only for businesses that can get deals via bulk purchases. For consumers, there are many better choices.
So, Intel and Lenovo are sponsoring this video? I always thought this channel was different. (I think now I understand how this channel manages to employ a team of 5-6 people.)
Your feedback is noted. Please watch my end of year live stream next week, I think you'll be pleased with the direction that I'll be announcing for 2024
The channel takes sponsors only under conditions of making completely honest reviews. I don't see a problem with this. Some less known manufacturers like Minisforum are infamous for sponsoring products that they knew were unreliable, and their customer support was bad, so I don't want unproven manufacturers sponsoring videos here. That should be left for other channels. Minisforum seems to have fixed their newer products, but the damage has already been done. As for the laptop itself, I think that it's generally a great idea to buy ol' reliable ThinkPads at a discount, because the newest models are always a rip-off, but the vast majority of viewers watching these videos don't need laptops that are as fast, but are purposefully designed with less RAM for planned obsolescence. You don't need 10 cores for office work or web browsing, not even for programming, really. Lenovo doesn't want you to know this, but it's absolutely okay to buy a 5-year old used ThinkPad T480 with an Intel i5-8350U or higher, and an Nvidia MX150 dGPU, for $300. Even working in IT at an established company as a DevOps/SRE, with Zoom calls and blur filters and 3 external monitors, as I do, would be perfectly manageable for the T480, although with the more bloated apps and Windows 11, that would be the most that it can handle without running out of available CPU time (though all you really need to do is turn on Efficiency Mode for the demanding applications like Zoom that just use up resources in the background for no reason). It's got unrivaled upgradability, where you can upgrade basically everything, and it's the last laptop Lenovo ever made to have this upgradability, for a reason. Lenovo and Intel don't want you to stay on perfectly good machine such as the ThinkPad T480, because they want that sweet, sweet revenue, which is why they're sponsoring this video. I don't see a problem with that, but I see a problem with the end users buying the wrong laptops for their use cases and overspend on the wrong things, because they're led to believe that they need is 10 cores to run Excel, which uses only 1-2 cores.
Josh, can you make a video about laptop with a good keyboard please? I currently using a MacBook Pro 14. It is good keyboard but I never feel as satisfy as typing on a X1 carbon or hp elite books.
Ah... My bad here for not explaining this more clearly. The feel of key travel is not only about the distrance itself. Its also about the press. I found the gen 9 pressed rather quickly, so you hit the bottom fast, and therefore it felt a little low travel - even though travel was actually the same. From what I experienced, in the units I had, the new one has a more satisfying press where you don't hit the bottom as fast.
I purchased yesterday the t14s as I wanted the AMD 7840U chip. I'm hoping I did not give up much as I need battery life and did like the x1c. Purchased with the low power screen.
@@artemisa81 considering its a ryzen based machine, ofc yes! however you could have waited for the meteor lake laptop to drop or if u have a good enough budget, go for something like a z13/16 as it is the only premium ryzen ultrabook that is available.
@@nethshansiriwardena508 I thought about it but by the time they come to Thailand they ll be 2500+ and I grabbed the T14s on discount from lenovo website for 1200 USD with 32GB ram and the low power screen. Hopefully I wont regret it, otherwise I ll send it back
Looking very much forward for the meteor lake review. I have the X1 Yoga Gen 7 with 4k. The battery is unfortunately very disappointing, otherwise great laptop.
Thanks for mentioning that the speakers desperately need improvent. I love ThinkPads but the speakers are awful (X1 already has the better speaker system).
I'm waiting on that too! I'm keeping the X1C 12th gen for myself, but the moment I heard about the haptic trackpad I returned my unit and will rebuy with it!
Just purchased a Slim/Yoga 9i Pro (32GB + 4060 variant) - killer machine, only thing is no audio support in Linux yet, everything else is fine... other than battery life.
Software devs don't need dGPUs. Also it depends on the kind of software you're building. Ideally it should be the company that provides a laptop for software development. If it's some bloated software like Reddit - you most likely need a MacBook Pro with Apple silicon. If it's less bloated or if the compiling is done on a remote server - you need a lot less CPU power. You may even buy yourself a ThinkPad T480 with an i5-8350U and MX150 (if you use apps that require GPU acceleration, because old Intel iGPUs are too slow nowadays) because you would need RAM more than the CPU. It's also important to note that you may want to use a Ryzen laptop instead, and you don't need to overspend on laptops. Buying a used laptop is a good idea if it's much cheaper, especially since all ThinkPad T480's are now used. Also, don't buy the ThinkPad T480s, it's much worse for software devs.
1:11 Interesting Josh likes the keyboard - I was recently able to compare the X1C G11 to the G6, T490 and T440 and I absolutely hated it. While it had a well defined click point, it overall felt... flat? Hard to describe but I felt like typing on one of the older Macbook keyboards but with a sharper click?
I have always loved the Thinkbook build and especially amazing keyboard and trackpad. And strong hinge / sturdy build. That keyboard though!! UH. MA. ZING! But.... my $3300 P16s gets about 1 1/2 hrs battery life per charge, can't handle screen share on Teams calls without tremendous lag, and sounds like a tornado coming with those fans. One day I missed an hour of work because I jumped in the storm cellar, but it was just the Thinkpad fans, so all good. WHEW!! jk jk. Hoping the new Meteor Lake is an improvement in these areas.... But... my 2021 M1 Pro MBP16 is a dream, ACTUAL all day battery life, and my Macs have never missed a beat. Too bad our industry specific software requires Windows... But... I am changing our company to newer Mac friendly options with only a couple of needs for Windows, so may make the move to use my Mac exclusively in about a Month. MBP16 = best track pad on the planet, Best battery life on the planet (I never even have to look at my battery or worry that I will run out, even on long teams or zoom calls with extensive screen share with groups, good keyboard (not as good as my Thinkpad though), best speakers on any laptop in the history of laptops, best screen (OLED is a little tough on my eyes but my Macs don't give me any eye fatigue.). Wish me luck on my MBP only move next month!
this laptop version from one or 2 years ago had bunch of recalls and issues with their thunderbolt 4 ports and power unit. I had to change my motherboard 5 times in total because it refused to take in power from the thunderbolt usb c ports at all and so the laptop died. It was work laptop so it was covered with extended warranty but this laptop was too much hassle to use as work laptop when you had to send it for repairs multiple times and get backup laptop everytime it happened out of nowhere. I did not have this issue with any other brand of laptop recently.
@@slak226 yeah it was very very painful to have multiple RMAs. Thankfully it was corporate laptop that is why I got fast service. I am not sure whether I would get the same if I were regular consumer.
x1 carbon gen 12 doesnt have a spec sheet yet it seems so I doubt they've changed it but I really wish they would stuff in bigger batteries (while maintaining weight, see asus zenbook line with much larger batteries). The 120hz oled is a nice option though. Surprised they haven't done a high-refresh miniled screen like their legion line. p.s. lenovo stuff add a port or two on the nano pls.
I really want to like Thinkpad's keyboard, but I just can't. The track point comes with separate buttons that cut a big part of the track pad. And the track point itself works horribly in linux, which makes it unusable for me. Plus I don't like the positioning of Fn and Ctrl keys, and even if I swap them in BIOS, I'll have small "Ctrl" and big "Fn" which is inconvenient. I hoped that Thikbook line will be a modern alternative to the Thinkpad line, but it is not :(
I currently using the Lenovo x1 extreme gen 4 with 4k screen and rtx 3060 and i am in love with this laptop. Lenovo always have a prestige with their "office laptop". Thanks for your videos, i'm wacthing them since more than 4 years 😂
If that laptop with an AMD U series processor and no DPGU would have made for the best M1 competitor on the Windows market. All that cooling pumped into an efficient general processor would have been great. It already has thunderbolt, so you don't need onboard dgpu, just use an external dgpu when you're sitting down.
I have the X1 extreme gen 2, optioned with the 4k screen. I love the performace on this thing but the battery life is just awful, 2 hour max on 4k resolution.
I bought this exact same laptop (identical configuration) because of this review, but I ended up returning it because it became uncomfortably warm when getting charged. After doing some research, I found a lot of people complaining about the same thing. It appears to be a design flaw related to the charging IC. I find it disappointing that this fact did not get mentioned in this review, as this channel is usually very rigorous with its reviews.
Just waiting for X1 Nano on meteor lake U processors! Hope what Lenovo does not using H models in Nano... ) So this situation for X1 Carbon too! Dont buy hot processor in slim and small box! ) P.S. X1 Nano gen 1 on i5 1130 low tdp is a very good daily driver for web, some excel and watching videos...