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My Thoughts On The Jodie Whittaker Era 

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My honest opinions on the 13th Doctor era.
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@Frost-ob7ck
@Frost-ob7ck Год назад
The Doctor being the timeless child was so disheartening to me for exactly what you said; The Doctor was a nobody who made themself a somebody, someboday great and good who helps people because they're kind, and it was all their doing. I really looked up to that, but I guess now I'd have to born special to be like The Doctor. It felt like they killed every Doctor at once. I've gotten passed it some, but... I don't know, I just hope next series gives me The Doctor I've been looking up to.
@tardistime6857
@tardistime6857 Год назад
To be honest I’m just happy we are moving on . In my honest opinion I think the chibnall era has failed I gave it too many chances and I personally was let down every time. I have been appalled by what the fandom has become a toxic hive mind where your not allowed a different opinion or to express it without being bullied harassed doxed Shamed sent inappropriate pictures or threats . This is a tv show at the end of the day and no one deserves to be treated so disgustingly. I pray When they are officially gone everyone takes a step back catches their breaths and chill so the healing can start . The Doctor wouldn’t be happy with how this fandom is right now .
@octazooka3452
@octazooka3452 Год назад
I don’t think it was given many chances. I didn’t give it many chances sorry my fault. Anyone else dislike chibnall?
@tardistime6857
@tardistime6857 Год назад
@@octazooka3452 dislike his work on Doctor who as for himself I don’t know I’ve never met the guy
@thetalonsofwaynechiang
@thetalonsofwaynechiang Год назад
Well said! 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@octazooka3452
@octazooka3452 Год назад
@@tardistime6857 apparently he was who fan but I can’t see it in his writing 😢
@MaccamatBux
@MaccamatBux Год назад
I find that it's the people who dislike the era that bully the ones who like it. Either way there is so much toxic hate going around. Feel like I'm not allowed to praise anything about the era.
@thewhoaddicts
@thewhoaddicts Год назад
Well. Said. Wingy. 👏
@vorebiz
@vorebiz Год назад
I think that, unironically, the only really good thing about this era of the show is how well everyone seems to be getting along behind the scenes. Whatever may be said about Chibnall he has steered a happy ship and when it comes to cast and crew being looked after it's been impeccable, they all genuinely seem as tight-knit as the Unit Family in the 70s behind the lens and there's something in that. On-screen though, yeah... I'm just looking forward to see what can be done to sort things out and hopefully the show can get some relevancy again. Squid Game, Stranger things etc have been recently making the waves in Pop Culture that Doctor Who USED to be making only a few years ago, and it's going to be a huge mountain to climb back up, if it can even be done.
@joeespin4377
@joeespin4377 Год назад
the only good thing about this era is that it is O V E R. it never should have existed.
@BuddhaAtheist29
@BuddhaAtheist29 Год назад
Of course they get along they all think the same, it's kind of like being in a cult. If you do have any different opinions you better keep it to yourself or you lose your job. When you fill a room full of yes people of course they're going to get along.
@purefoldnz3070
@purefoldnz3070 9 месяцев назад
the Tardis fam will always be the darkest timeline
@William34456
@William34456 Год назад
At the moment I am re-watchng David Tennants and Matt Smiths series and Oh my gosh compared to this era they feel like Heaven. I must admit the acting wasn't to terrible but what the actors had to work with to act as there characters gave them a hard job and the end only said the lines because it was what Chinball wrote for them to say. I am very excited for the next era. Hopefully some improvement.
@gigglehertz
@gigglehertz Год назад
I'd like if it were revealed that this entire line from the timeless child to Whittaker took place in e-space or alternate universe
@AmbivalentMind
@AmbivalentMind Год назад
13:04 the best example of this is in Flux where that one Dog alien was just casually told that his entire race has just been eliminated - off camera
@CableFF7Forever
@CableFF7Forever Год назад
The most ironic thing about this era if how Jodie is so focused on making it for a kids and setting a great example yet she is the poster child for how it turned a character that is exponentially a good force in the universe that could be anyone into a "Chosen One" archetype, pretty much saying to kids everywhere "U have to be special in order to do good" and yet she stands by what she has done. Bloody mind boggling
@Futurebound_jpg
@Futurebound_jpg 6 месяцев назад
Why do you say that like she’s the one who wrote the series?
@Problembeing
@Problembeing Год назад
"It's not going to be five hours long" - I loved that subtle little dig LOL
@AiRsTrIkExXzZ
@AiRsTrIkExXzZ Год назад
I like how there are pretty much 20 different characters played by one actor just that the characters are in different episodes and have the same names
@wjec1970
@wjec1970 Год назад
Great video - you randomly came up in my suggestions!
@alexhutchingsemery3779
@alexhutchingsemery3779 Год назад
To be honest I've really tried with this era and I've gotten very little out of it. There's so little going on here in terms of imagination or storytelling, despite the actors all trying their best and some really great production design and effects. It's just felt like Who on autopilot, giving us simply what we expect instead of daring to be creative or challenging which even the worst of Moffat's era managed to achieve (I'm looking at you Series 7 and 9)
@jakeisthedoctor2308
@jakeisthedoctor2308 Год назад
I swear I’ve seen that second paragraph before, like you copied it or something
@xelntchancechance2466
@xelntchancechance2466 Год назад
I'm glad to see the end of the Chibnall era. I'm looking forward to the return of RTD, who is someone that loves and cares about the show and can write a good story.
@okankyoto
@okankyoto Год назад
At least when RTD writes bad Doctor Who, it tends to be so campy its entertaining!
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 3 месяца назад
Ha ha ha ha
@ItsShaz1
@ItsShaz1 Год назад
Interesting video! I’m just intrigued to see where Doctor Who is going next.
@JJfromPhilly67
@JJfromPhilly67 Год назад
Talking about the lack of development of Ryan and how so much which could have been done with his character, it occurred to me that the companions in the "Sarah Jane Adventures" were far better developed than Yaz, Graham, or Ryan put together and multiplied by 10.
@God-xd1wr
@God-xd1wr Год назад
I really tried to treat Jodie’s Doctor as actually the Doctor but it just didn’t feel like Doctor Who
@kurathchibicrystalkitty5146
"Not going to be five hours long--" Is that a reference to Jay Exci's five hour video on Jodi's era? 😄 Either way, a great discussion, and thank you for making this video.
@kurathchibicrystalkitty5146
As an aside, I struggled through series 11, and Kerblam was the moment when I almost stopped watching, to the point where I still consider it one of my least favourite episodes, joining the likes of The Idiot's Lantern, Kill The Moon, Fear Her, and Hell Bent, among others. I made it to the last episode, the Battle of...Random Astronomical Contrivances, or whatever it's called [it's one of my least favourite episodes now, too]. But what actually made me stop watching wasn't the sheer unbelievable narrative driven coincidence that Tim Shaw ended up on the one planet where he matches up perfectly with the whole godhood thing, it was the idea that leaving Tim Shaw in what is essentially a living hell, forever, is the 'moral' or 'right' or 'humane' thing to do, rather than killing him...that was it for me. I'm so glad that I didn't watch anymore; I'm worn out and frustrated by the Timeless Child debacle as it is, just from hearing people talk about it. I really don't know whether to be cautiously optimistic about series 14, honestly. I want to be. As someone who started watching way back in 2013, and poured so much time and energy and enjoyment into this series...I want to believe that the show can recover from this. But, I don't know. I guess I'll just wait and see. [Sorry for rambling so much. I haven't had much of a chance to really articulate how I feel about all of this until now. I do feel better for it.]
@Firellius
@Firellius 8 месяцев назад
I gave it a try, but outside of all the aforementioned issues, I just couldn't get past the utilitarian writing. You touched on it with the remark about how the viewer needs to be told outright that Yaz is an amazing person, but those kinds of scenes were just so jarring. It was very immersion-breaking to have such a clearly defined 'Character moment now' scene. It's said that good writing is like good puppeteering: You can't see the strings. I couldn't see the show for all the strings that were blatantly in my face.
@lunaluckie6737
@lunaluckie6737 7 месяцев назад
As a girl i am embarrassed to have 13 as the first female doctor. She's genuinely stupid and tries so hard to be quirky but it always falls flat on its face. She's always scared or stressed, and doesn't know what to do. That's not very #girlboss of her. Don't even get me started on the "socially awkward" fiasco
@dxctr_master
@dxctr_master Год назад
I really recommend reading some of the Thirteenth Doctor era books if you ever have time, especially for Yaz, she has so much more to do and her being a police officer actually gets brought up and is relevant to her character, main recommendations are the books by David Solomons and also The Wonderful Doctor of Oz
@MrPaulmorris7777
@MrPaulmorris7777 Год назад
They stopped after 3, then over 4 years brought out 2. Wasted opportunity.
@dxctr_master
@dxctr_master Год назад
@@MrPaulmorris7777 frrrr I really hope we get more in the future
@MrPaulmorris7777
@MrPaulmorris7777 Год назад
@@dxctr_master You won't. She is gone!
@dxctr_master
@dxctr_master Год назад
@@MrPaulmorris7777 Books about a doctor aren’t usually limited to if they’re currently the main doctor I don’t believe, ik Tennant has books released when his time as The Doctor was done
@MrPaulmorris7777
@MrPaulmorris7777 Год назад
@@dxctr_master They're not even writing 13th Doctor era books, now.
@f-zilla7347
@f-zilla7347 Год назад
Chris Chibnall did the impossible and made Doctor Who not fun for me. Today is the last day of this 5 year torture, may that clown never, fucking ever, touch Doctor Who again.
@seanm1955
@seanm1955 Год назад
"Don't worry it's not gonna be 5 hours long" Yeah I like Jay Exci but that was overkill
@not_enough_space
@not_enough_space Год назад
The 'Who Cares?' podcast/youtube channel just did almost nine hours on Yaz alone. So, that maybe puts Jay's coverage of the era into a different perspective.
@Problembeing
@Problembeing Год назад
I caught that too lol
@maureenc174
@maureenc174 Год назад
I completely agree! After Jodie's first season, my family stopped watching and that is so sad. I was actually hoping DW would just get dropped and better writers would pick it up again in 10 or 20 years and make it all new again.
@joshuacurphey3242
@joshuacurphey3242 Год назад
There was once a RU-vidr called CentreLeft who did a video stating his opinions about the 13th Doctor's era where stated that he didn't want to watch the show anymore (which is how I feel) and that people who said they didn't like it would be accused of being sexist or racist when they're not. I also never watched The Chase before the 13th Doctor's time and only did because I had seen bits of a Celebrity episode (though you're right that it's kind of hard to separate Graham from Walsh).
@thatbloodypanda6989
@thatbloodypanda6989 Год назад
I've quite enjoyed it personally. I have, however, found myself revisiting Classic Who and the RTD Era more often, which is a good thing really. I've been able to find enjoyment in most of this era's stories but I am looking forward to hopefully some better storytelling in RTD's next era.
@tardistime6857
@tardistime6857 Год назад
Fair enough
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 3 месяца назад
RTD now ruin the show.
@BuddhaAtheist29
@BuddhaAtheist29 Год назад
I agree with everything he said. I don't have a problem with a female Doctor, I have a problem with the motivation. The motivation was obvious in the writing. I also don't see a person that has regenerating for thousands of years into a male after male after male to all the sudden jump to a female, needs a good writer to make that make sense.
@leoj2439
@leoj2439 Год назад
the reception of jodies first season made me feel like chibnalls regeneration retcon was just pure spite lol
@JanRademan
@JanRademan Год назад
To be fair, they tried the "The Doctor is much more that a Timelord" thing in Sylvester McCoy's run. It's probably for the best the cancellation happened before they could get that fully cooked.
@SR-yl8hu
@SR-yl8hu Год назад
God I wish you had a seat at the writers table. If not to write or propose new ideas, but to edit/veto the bad ones, and to point out why they're bad. Your comments re the Doctor being the 'timeless child'...could not agree more. As for regenerating Cybermen with Timelord collars...
@or8m8
@or8m8 Год назад
Spot on mate, think i might just pretend its some time in the 2010s and this all doesn’t exist
@Coffeebibber
@Coffeebibber Год назад
My thoughts exactly. Jodie’s just been doing a poor imitation of Tennant and Smith, and the stories have been unforgivable. Honestly, I’m not real hopeful of the RTD2 era. Great video!
@tardistime6857
@tardistime6857 Год назад
She brought nothing new the role
@one_smol_duck
@one_smol_duck 7 месяцев назад
I like the ideas Chibnal brought to Doctor Who tbh. People don't talk enough about how bad of a place Moffat left the show. He had tried to up the stakes and outdo himself every season, while jamming in so many old enemies and tired tropes that the show stagnated. I like a lot from Moffat's era (Capaldi is my favorite Doctor) but he didn't leave the show any room to grow. Chibnal saw that and tried to take the show in a distinctly different direction, which was the only way to keep it alive. Unfortunately he was just really bad at executing any of the ideas he had and we were left with a mess.
@mayotango1317
@mayotango1317 3 месяца назад
No really, the show feel more alive, fresh and new in Series 10 that the Jodie era.
@dnavanzat1
@dnavanzat1 Год назад
I agree with you 100%
@CarlB_1962
@CarlB_1962 Год назад
“Cesspit of sh*t…” Best description of Twitter I’ve ever heard.
@90sArchive
@90sArchive Год назад
The fandom is toxic from either side, it seems to be implied that you think it's mainly the people who are defensive about the show who are toxic but I might've just gotten the wrong end of the stick there. Also while I don't think people who dislike this era should automatically be called bigots, there are a lot of genuine bigots like Bowlestrek and Nerdrotic etc who taint the fandom with their gross views.
@gajacome1
@gajacome1 Год назад
You said what a lot of people are thinking. Thank you for this
@Classic80sFanboy
@Classic80sFanboy Год назад
Some great observations there Wingy, and I too, have felt disappointed (and sometimes preached at) every Series of 13ths run.
@gazcrawfcom7857
@gazcrawfcom7857 Год назад
Completely agree. After being a fan of the show my entire life, I switched off. Similarly I very rarely share my opinion publicly because of the labels that you get given - bigot etc (which isn’t the case). The lore changes are horrifying - someone really should’ve said “no” and stopped them at the ideas stage for me. I’ve been struggling to enjoy Who during this time, and my interest arguably rocketed during the wilderness years. My other social media Who page makes zero reference to the current era, but again keep opinions about it to myself - I don’t need that kind of cr*p tbh. Always great and balanced vid though Wingy! Always love your explanations, as you can back up with your reasons. Keep up the cracking work 🤩😎
@mrdoctorgilmore
@mrdoctorgilmore Год назад
For the most part I feel like this era is very much going through the motions, stuff that we'd typically see in the past few seasons though is done more out of obligation than creative intent, specifically Chibnall's scripts in s11/12. There aren't any stories I'd call bad, mostly just frustratingly mediocre, stories we've seen before without much new. It's a shame as the guest writers have otherwise given us some pretty good stories, especially the historicals. Also, while Flux was a bit of a mess, it does feel like Chibnall seems to be having more fun I'll take a fun mess over a decent but dull story like Arachnids in the UK.
@MrPaulmorris7777
@MrPaulmorris7777 Год назад
I have no idea what that word salad meant.
@mrdoctorgilmore
@mrdoctorgilmore Год назад
This era is mostly average with occasional highlights. Lot of ideas already explored plenty of times over most seasons done out of tradition.
@floydian2007
@floydian2007 Год назад
Yup. Well said. 100% right . I agree with everything you’ve said. 👏👏👏
@Scrummy64
@Scrummy64 Год назад
IMO the main highs and lows of the era: *PROS* - It proved within minutes that the Doctor can be female; I had my doubts but they were quickly disspelled by Whittaker's talents - It brought back a level of accessibility that Moffat had somewhat hindered with his emphasis on heavy story arcs - Historical episodes were consistent highlights - It did try one or two interesting things that the rebooted show hadn't done before, e.g. a fully-serialised series (Flux) - It had fun with classic characters and monsters, and not just the big three villains; I loved how huge the Sontarans were in S13 and that someone finally did something with the goddamn Sea Devils *CONS* - I just don't feel like Chibnall is a good fit for sci-fi, at least not in such a big capacity; he either didn't have enough imagination, or when he did it just felt like he was tossing ideas at the wall without properly developing them - Pretty much none of the characters were particularly well-written, which I find weird because Chibnall's characters were always a strong point in his previous works (e.g. Broadchurch) - It didn't really respect anything the show had done since the reboot; destroying Gallifrey was such an anti-climactic idea considering the journey it took to bring it back to begin with - On a similar note, Thirteen herself felt shallow after Doctors Nine through Twelve were all so well-developed and went through so much growth (I actually think she would've fit in better during the classic series) - I was a little disappointed by Akinola's work on the score; aside from the Doctor's and Master's themes there were only one or two memorable pieces, and his variation on the main theme wasn't strong enough to warrant keeping it for the entire era
@anthonypride1946
@anthonypride1946 Год назад
In regards to the storytelling, most of the writers in this era never work in a sci-fi/fantasy genre. And most of the writers were not fans or following Doctor Who. Some of the writer also wrote plays which is a different way to storytell a screenplay. It takes a special kind of imagination to tell a sci-fi story. It takes years of honing that craft to do it at a high level. I think it was unfair to ask these people to write on a show that they were not following in a medium that they weren't accustom and expect them to tell a good story on the international scene. It's particularly tragic for them when all eyes was tuning in to see the 1st female Doctor in franchise history. The writing need to be spot on and it failed. I get why they chose these people. But there should have been someone who was a fan of the show at the very least or Sci-fi.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer Год назад
I have always said that Series 11 should have just been The Doctor and Yaz, and Ryan and Graham should have been like Jackie and Mickey in Series 1 and 2.
@christiangarza8122
@christiangarza8122 7 месяцев назад
I maintain the Renegade Doctor should have been a villain, and her pre Hartnell ones as well. It would have created a new theme that played with how the Doctor is this monster with so many rules to keep it from destroying everything. It would have made the Master mind breaking her feel so much more powerful, with her seeing her atrocities she doesn’t remember, and then the ones she does. Replay the burning of Galifrey, the talk down from Good Man Goes to War, Timelord Victorious, torturing the Dalek, trying to kill the caveman as 1. Then the story becomes about becoming better, which btw was the first doctor’s story arc. It all culminates when during the finale, yeah she doesn’t find her arch till her regeneration story, she has to choose from stifling her guilt by finding out the why to what she did, or rushing to save the world. She chooses to save the world, and the chameleon arch is destroyed. We cut off her past, while still giving the screenwriters an out on how to give the doctor more regenerations.
@jackdexter9439
@jackdexter9439 Год назад
Brilliant video.
@peterd788
@peterd788 Год назад
My abiding impression of this era is that the lead writer and the lead actress were never trying. It just came across as so passionless. There was no dotting of the "I"s and crossing of the "T"s. Stuff was put on screen and no one cared about any of it except the crew who mostly tried their best with shit material, shit performances and mostly shit directors.
@tylerherr4288
@tylerherr4288 Год назад
previous doctors would of given graham something to ENSURE his cancer never came back matt certainly would of and Capaldi's doctor gave that kid a cybernetic leg for crying out loud
@joeespin4377
@joeespin4377 Год назад
in the case of the doctor not comforting graham when he needed it there was no time left in the episode to do it and plus there really are no words to properly allay his fears. it might have been better if they would have had the next episode be where graham learned that what he expected of the doctor is almost an impossible thing to do.
@paulharries9558
@paulharries9558 Год назад
I wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately made Doctor Who bland so they could claim the "You hate Doctor Who because they're a woman, ohmygogyoursexist!!!!", ala "Ghostbusters" 2016.
@okankyoto
@okankyoto Год назад
The biggest enemy of any Doctor is bad writing.
@davidagnew6191
@davidagnew6191 Год назад
I agree with your criticisms, in particular the way that the Doctor is written to be the opposite of what the character should be. My pet hate is the bad science. This may seem odd because the central character has a machine that can go backwards in time and is larger on the inside. But Doctor Who used to pretend to be sci-fi. Now it doesn't bother, it is pure fantasy: the sonic screwdriver as magic wand is particularly irritating. The technobabble is gobbledygook, which doesn't advance the plot and the actor can't deliver convincingly. Why do the Sea Devils want to flip the magnetic poles? This happens naturally and has no effect. Why do they want to flood the planet? The Earth wasn't more watery in their age. How do they get the stars to move? Why doesn't the Doctor use Time Lord technology to cure Graham's cancer? The history is bad too. Why are early 19th century Chinese pirates wearing trainers? The writers of the awful scene where the Doctor changes the Master's colour seem to be unaware that the Third Reich had an Indian legion. Because Chibnall's Who is awful across the board, it is easier to pick out the bits that were good - the cinematography and some of the design (but not the Doctor's costume or the Tardis interior).
@joshuacurphey3242
@joshuacurphey3242 Год назад
"This is the era of Doctor Who where I switched off". Well said. I wish I did that, and didn't bother. I've also been bashed somewhat about my dislike of it, by both my mum and sister (who also has Dyspraxia, like Ryan). My dad also tried to get me to like the Timeless Child, seeing that it changes everything that we know about The Doctor, but I knew what it actually was. By the way, the episode you were thinking of was Can You Hear Me? and I agree that it was completely out of character for The Doctor to act that way in that episode and Arachnids in the UK. I also agree on what you said about Chibnall not bringing back any old enemies of The Doctor for Series 11 (Seasons 7, 13 and 16 A.K.A. the Key to Time season didn't do so and introduced some notable enemies), but it also didn't bring back any familiar faces to the show (not just enemies but former companions, old friends like Kate and Osgood or neutral races like the Ood) and we instead got a few meagre references. Also, we got the Skithra from Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror (which is an episode considered good by fans) but that's still a long way away from original antagonists as opposed to returning ones. We could also count Zellin, but there's most definitely a 100% chance he was an Eternal (the race The Fifth Doctor met in Enlightenment, so a possible old enemy but not confirmed). I also really hate the Timeless Child since it was The Doctor (maybe Rassilon was a more worthy candidate than that if a non-original character is going to be used). Also, that story you were thinking of was The Ribos Operation and what Romana said was that he scraped at 51% on his second try. That Time Lord messenger from Terror of the Autons also said about how much better The Master did than The Doctor in Cosmic Science, while The Doctor claimed he was a late developer.
@Ajmorrison2002
@Ajmorrison2002 Год назад
I’m not too critical of this era, but mainly because I don’t think I’m a critical person. This era has been a vibe, but I completely understand where you’re coming from. It had a very promising start, but seemed to peter out after a few episodes in series 11. I turned off after that point. Chibnall improved with every series IMO, lore changes aside, which I think does deserve highlighting.
@fadikhoory5350
@fadikhoory5350 Год назад
Arachnids in the UK and I'm like 'where is Capaldi?' S12 had episodes 5-7 be co-written by Chris Chibnall. No, the stories would have been better if he didn't co-write those episodes. Sacha should have been the Doctor, end of. Chibs just made Doctor Who feel like a kid's show with the you-are-awesome-but-you-did-nothing, show don't tell, heavy dialogue, chosen people etc. It didn't feel like a family show.
@armoghetto
@armoghetto Год назад
You made some good points with some great supporting details. I have enjoyed Jodi’s era, but some of the missteps have definitely plagued it. The scene were she blows off Graham’s cancer conversation is beyond jarring. Socially awkward does not mean rude and apathetic. Unfortunately, classic who left a lot on the table with companion development such as not really exploring Nyssa’s trauma over the Master wearing her dad’s body or mourning Adria, but it did touchnonnTefan’s trauma or after effects of being possessed& Ace was the first to really be developed (Leela grew some). I agree that the series could’ve benefited from an arc of searching for the Tardis which may have allowe for more character moments. I really wish themes such as the Time Lords are back & out there somewhere, the Fugitive Doctor, and the Timeless child we’re giving more gravity and not just picked back up randomly. If thenDoctor is the Timeless child or curious about what the Timeless Child is, this is a being who has the time and resources as well as networks with enough myriad beings to figure this out without waiting for the answers to simply find him/her.
@samharris266
@samharris266 Год назад
YES! I'm not the only one who always mixes 'It takes you Away' with 'Can You Hear Me'.
@ftumschk
@ftumschk Год назад
Excellent video, and I agree with much of what you say. The only thing I don't see is the old chestnut of Jodie basing her Doctor on Smith and Tennant, but for me she has none of Ten's confidence, nor the adolescent swagger of Eleven. I think the issue isn't so much in Jodie's interpretation, but in the fact that Thirteen being a hare-brained chatterbox is baked into her (often badly-written) dialogue. This Doctor is self-consciously written as "dippy", and there are only so many ways for an actor to play that, so I don't blame Jodie. What characterisation she _does_ manage to bring to the role strikes me as pure Jodie Whittaker, judging by her real-life persona in interviews and panels. Rather than copying anyone in particular, my take on it is that she's largely playing the role as herself, albeit within the severe constraints of Thirteen's character as written on the page.
@Tejiknasten
@Tejiknasten Год назад
I think this era has been a mixed bag. On the positive note: The Master, the historical episodes and making the Daleks scary again. On the negative note: Mixed messages in the writing, trying to do big story plots that doesn't hold together and finally, deliver so few episodes in such a long time.
@tomious4257
@tomious4257 Год назад
One word to sum up the Whittaker era: Consistency It never got better than itself, but it could have gone in worse directions. It's enjoyably flawed
@nalaka3488
@nalaka3488 Год назад
Think about ho many times there was a timer, or a countdown. Chipnall loves timers, even before he became show runner
@RipeWatermelon
@RipeWatermelon Год назад
While I understand (and even agree) with a lot of your points, I can’t bring myself to dislike the era, I have enjoyed close to every episode (with 2 major exceptions being “Orphan 55” & “The Legend Of The Sea Devils”). My main gripe with the era (and, to an extent, fandom in general) is that it’s become popular to hate people for not liking something that you do. With Doctor Who, Thasmin was something created by the fandom with very little basis other than the fact that anyone can get two characters and say “The way they look at each other…” and believe that they’re in love. I somewhat believe that “The Legend Of The Sea Devils” would have been a more fleshed out story had Chris Chibnall ignored the fandom’s desperation for Thasmin.
@iHuzza
@iHuzza Год назад
I doubt “Legend” would have been much better if they changed the thasmin stuff tbh. It was the first draft of the script, was written in only 3 days and had a pretty inexperienced director. There is no way that could not end badly 🤣🤣🤣
@niebo3179
@niebo3179 Год назад
There are so many things I dislike of this era apart from the ones you mention: - There are two kind of resolutions for every threat or cliffhanger: A) Somebody else helps (the spaceship appears when they are stranded in space, Captain Jack rescued her for the spacd jail, the weeping angels decided to turn her back to herself, etc.) Or B) she points out her sonic screwdriver to a machine and that's it, she changes that weapon, or return the enemy to its spaceship, etc. There is no clever solution like Eleven using the moon landing video to defeat the Silence. Not even remotely closed. - All the companions not only lack personality, they all agree with The Doctor. Except that time Graham wanted to kill the Teeth alien for killing his wife, 99% of the dialogue is basicaly the companions pointing out something weird, The Doctor explaining it and all of them trying to solve it. Interesting and complex relationships like Rose and Nine, The Ponds and Eleven, Ten and Donna, Twelve and Clara? Nothing like that at all. - The TARDIS is not longer a magical and mysterious place where good drama happens. It's just al elevator for this Doctor that uses to go from one place to the next one. - Chibnall was more focused in delivering the social message that he hired writers that were activists in that matter. He didn't give a fuck about hiring great scifi writers. He was more interested in giving us stories so superfitial about racism, mental health, homophobia, capitalism... than a good fun and creative scifi adventure.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer Год назад
The Tardis is shafted almost as much as it was in the McCoy Era when it barely appears!
@NelsonStJames
@NelsonStJames Год назад
Writers use returning villains and nostalgia when the new stuff they're attempting isn't working, the reason it gets boring is because they generally don't write better stuff when they are using established characters than they do when they're trying to be original; a bad writer is a bad writer.
@floppymoonfish4882
@floppymoonfish4882 Год назад
Well said man
@timleopardxolo
@timleopardxolo Год назад
Can't disagree with a word of that, mate.
@Mowingthefrontlawn
@Mowingthefrontlawn Год назад
The 4 episodes with original enemies after Series 11 are Orphan 55 Nikola Tesla’s Night of Terror Praxeus Can You Hear Me? (Finger Man)
@410seven
@410seven Год назад
I did not nor will I watch a single episode. When a gender swap or race swap occurs in a show I refuse to watch, because it is always in the name of inclusion, that means that in the mind of the people making the swap it was not ment for anyone but the people who looked like the protagonist , so there for the changes are purposely made to exclude people. Because you can't swap for inclusion with out exclusion, only adding will ever truly represent inclusion.
@coyotehater
@coyotehater Год назад
There has been only one episode that I enjoyed, Fugitive of the Judoon. It’s the only episode I can actually remember. The rest, nothing.
@Quantum1769
@Quantum1769 Год назад
Please review the 2022 Specials!
@andrewroberts4736
@andrewroberts4736 Год назад
Thanks for this Wingy. I watched every episode as scheduled as I have been a fan since 1975. This era has been very poor. I have not enjoyed it as it was too political , badly written and in parts, badly acted. I agree with what Wingy said about the real problem being the writing. Jodie would have been a brilliant Doctor with good writing. Fingers crossed for Sunday.
@poisonpotion5460
@poisonpotion5460 7 месяцев назад
Just one more thing. I love missy, she is a my favourite version of master, Michele Gomez did a astounding job. It really hurts how they just don’t even bother to explain this version. Is it pre-missy or post-missy? Both makes no sense. And it is sad to see canceling of huge character development to do “timeless child”…😢😢😢
@timereaper7877
@timereaper7877 Год назад
I really appreciate your channel. While I’m a fan of the Chibnall era myself, I understand that you’re not, and instead of you going on and on about how much you hate it and just fuelling the negativity of the fandom, you instead talk about the parts of the show that you do like. I’ve just started the video so I’m sure it might be more negative than usual, but I think that at least one video with your thoughts on this era are deserved, and I’d certainly be interested into seeing what parts I enjoyed that you didn’t, and maybe vice versa.
@cyberemperor1435
@cyberemperor1435 Год назад
I hated the Graham/ doctor cancer scene, no other doctor would act like that, the doctor is called the doctor because she helps people ,and knows what to say if her friends are feeling down
@jacobgaunt2438
@jacobgaunt2438 Год назад
Personally feel there were positives and negatives in this era too. Some storylines had me intrigued but some left me feel so bored that I just switched off. Don’t hate Jodie either, I just feel that it is just wasted potential. I hope she gets a chance to explore big finish and really show her character but again it’s too little too late.
@MSDOSProject
@MSDOSProject Год назад
The Graham scene where he confides in the doctor and then she just goes "ah I'm socially awkward" pissed me off so much. I can't think of a single previous doctor who wouldn't have say there and comforted their companion. I started to kinda like Graham and so this really made me mad.
@spaceagepenguin
@spaceagepenguin Год назад
Even though I found (particularly the last two years) very enjoyable, I can’t deny you’ve got some really good points
@megalegion9644
@megalegion9644 Год назад
I agree I do understand his points, but I really like the 13th doctor era.
@Problembeing
@Problembeing Год назад
It's been five years of absolute Hell. Jodie stans wishing death on people, trolling, othering, calling anyone critical every name under the sun, it's been insufferable. Now they're going after Tennant and RTD. It's really tedious. I do not blame you at all for steering clear.
@IsaacWhittakerDakin
@IsaacWhittakerDakin Год назад
And now you're going after RTD for casting trans people and a drag queen and I'm sat here laughing that you thought RTD was gonna save Doctor Who from wokeness!
@davidharding1299
@davidharding1299 Год назад
That scene between the Doctor and Graham bugs the heck out of me... even now. The Chibnall/Whittaker era changed "Companion" to "Fam"... which I have always assumed was short for "Family". But when Graham confesses to the Doctor that he's afraid his cancer might be coming back, she can't spare a comforting, reassuring or sympathetic word for him??? For a member of her "Fam"? Come on.
@MsCallofdutyblackops
@MsCallofdutyblackops Год назад
Wingy can you do a review on the power of the doctor for your next video
@octazooka3452
@octazooka3452 Год назад
Finally he opens up about Jodie 😅
@atomicaaron6720
@atomicaaron6720 2 месяца назад
I rlly enjoyed this master tbh.
@phantomsidious2934
@phantomsidious2934 Год назад
Well this era is over on Sunday thank goodness, hopefully after this the writing will be a vast improvement and everyone can just move on and forget all of this era
@neddystark3351
@neddystark3351 7 месяцев назад
I hated the 13th Doctor era.....until I saw the 60th anniversary specials! I'll hand it to this show, they find so many ways to disappoint.
@1rtricky
@1rtricky Год назад
I remember being so excited about a female doctor. The intro of Jodi in the woods gave me chills. Now self disclaimer I tend to love the current doctor and I do start to warm up to the new one gradually. The first episode came and the villain I felt was transparent and not a villain at all. To not show the new Tardis in the first episode gave me a glimpse of what’s to come. I was so angered. How can you make us wait like that? Then a few episodes down the line I was so displeased. Making her own sonic was hard to digest but ok go with the flow. Then came the frog and I was done. Jodi I feel like you could had been (in my opinion) the best doctor out there and was handed bad stories. Now the new era. I love David Tennant and I am glad he’s back however am I the only one who feels a little awkward? This is Ncuti’s era and I feel like that in away is now taken from him. I know we at this time don’t know what direction this is taking but I feel like it would’ve been better if we had Ncuti first.
@kamakazeyt
@kamakazeyt Год назад
See this is the thing, many concerned fans said them making a female Doctor was just to fulfill a PC agenda and feed the fanbase with lessons on morality. They could've proved everyone wrong, they could've made the people worried about the show's future happy and excited to see the series continue. Unfortunately instead they proved the worried fans right, and then ruined the expectations of those excited for a female Doctor. Instead of just simply writing good stories, with good villains, good character growth and good lore they shoved a PC agenda down everyone's throats. If anyone complains about this? They just throw in the age old excuse of "you're a bigot." Thing is though, if everyone complaining was such a bigot, why was Missy received so fucking well? Why was Missy many people's favorite incarnation of The Master? It's just a bullshit excuse, throwing sexism as an excuse for their lazy writing, which is honestly more offensive considering there are people across the world who actually experience sexism day in, day out. Lying about sexist fans because your show got a bad rating is disgusting.
@rosswilson4906
@rosswilson4906 11 месяцев назад
Yeah I wished Tennant returned as the 10th doctor and not become the 14th doctor (which should have been Ncuti). To me, it feels like Tennant has stolen Ncuti's moment (I hated how Ncuti's first appearance in the show was in a bloody trailer) and it's painfully obvious that RTD brought Tennant back to try to save the show.
@cianhudder7499
@cianhudder7499 10 месяцев назад
@@rosswilson4906I’ve heard theories that the specials could be a multi-doctor story with both Ncuti kind of like day of the doctor. If RTD does do this and also does a good job with it, I think it could be an amazing intro to the new doctor as well as a cool story showing the doctor interacting with himself. If he does it poorly though it’ll appear super desperate and could really affect how Ncuti is perceived (kinda like how capaldi was hated because of his first episode). All we can do is wait and hope.
@rosswilson4906
@rosswilson4906 10 месяцев назад
@@cianhudder7499 That would be cool but I'm worried that Ncuti would get overshadowed by Tennant and the other doctors if any returned
@cianhudder7499
@cianhudder7499 10 месяцев назад
@@rosswilson4906 yeah maybe (probably). The best thing we can hope for imo is a good transition from Tennant to Ncuti and a good first series for him. I wouldn’t mind if we saw him taking a more supportive role in helping his former self accept regeneration and easing the pain/regret/nerves of 14 if he then then comes back in his own series as the focus. If he comes back in time as a fully formed incarnation we could still have the episode of regeneration sickness and have all the character development leading up to the specials, it could be really neat and an interesting way of showcasing what we have to look forward to in Ncuti’s era. It all really just depends on how it plays out. Just my opinion though, here’s hoping for a good set of specials and a good new series!
@MidnightChimey
@MidnightChimey Год назад
Twitter will always be a cesspool of shit regardless, but yeah Doctor Who fandom toxicity has really peaked in this era. There are people who are just hating on the show because they are bigoted and hate women and so on, they absolutely do exist, but that doesn't mean the show is exempt from criticism
@MorbidGod391
@MorbidGod391 Год назад
I don’t agree with everything you said, but I applaud you for having actual criticisms. Most of what people say is just wrong or taken out of context. But I’m glad tonight is the last episode. I’m hoping for better writing coming next year.
@candoentertainment9118
@candoentertainment9118 Год назад
I did reviews on Jody's first season. By the end of it I just didn't care. It didn't feel like the same character or the same show to me so I stopped. But in the earlier video I made when the announcement came out of Jodi Whitaker taking over the role the very thing I said was as long as we get good stories I don't care. And I just kind of disagree on your idea that if Jodi had been given the same material that David Tennant had she would be just as popular because I don't think she has the charisma or the acting ability that David Tennant has.
@animalian01
@animalian01 Год назад
I have watched Dr Who since John Pertwee, I loved the reboot Dr Who but when it got to 13 I just couldn't do it, and not because they changed the sex, it was just because it was not done for the story, it was done for political correctness and feminism, It went exactly where I thought it would, a feminist lecture man hater every week
@leejones8582
@leejones8582 Год назад
With the lack of promotion and trailers they may aswell boot them out the door literally.
@hazbomusic
@hazbomusic Год назад
i think it’s an ok era, i don’t like the lore changes that you mentioned, they go against everything that makes the character special, and the exposition at times can be way too much. but i do think they’re is more to Graham than just ‘Bradley Walsh’ losing the woman he loves and trying to win over Ryan in opinion was an interesting arc, and I do think Jodie did try her best in the role, but it must hard for her to deliver lines that sound like a child wrote them.
@brotherurth1625
@brotherurth1625 Год назад
Spot on. I genuinely feel sorry for Jodie I really do.
@fintytin5771
@fintytin5771 Год назад
As glad as I am to see the back of Jodie I can't say I'm overjoyed at the new era hoving into view,to be blunt I'm not sure I can be bothered to watch Gatwa given what the show and fandom has become. Spot on with your observations lsd !!!
@duvall5jd
@duvall5jd Год назад
It’s Russell T Davis he knows Doctor Who. He knows what to do with the show.
@andrewerath5585
@andrewerath5585 Год назад
@@duvall5jd hopefully
@malcolmhope
@malcolmhope Год назад
Good to have you talking about current Who again, Wingy, I have missed it! I can’t disagree about the writing, acting and lore changes in this era but I can’t say I haven’t enjoyed it all the same as I’ve still found a lot of it entertaining. I’m looking forward to seeing what comes next… “Still, the future lies this way” ⬆️
@SpecialMonkeyFilms
@SpecialMonkeyFilms Год назад
Personally, I like this era. I like the 13th Doctor. I like her child like wonder and excitement. Whenever she meets a historical figure or a race she's always wanted to meet or even something like an antimatter drive she gets all excited and giddy and I really like that about her. The rest of her personality however are aspects from previous Doctors with some aspects being done better but most of them are just the same as or worse. She could've been great, I was hoping that with the Doctor being a woman they'd take the character in a completely new and fresh direction but we just got another Doctor, not a different Doctor. The historicals are the highlights. When I came away from episodes like 'Tooth and Claw' or 'Victory of the Daleks' I didn't learn anything about Queen Victoria or Winston Churchill. When I watched 'Rosa' and 'Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror' I came away know who they were and why they're a famous historical figure. Even in ' The Witchfinders' which is the worst episode of the era (Orphan 55 isn't the worst because it's a 'so bad it's good' episode. It's basically the Sharknado of Doctor Who) I still cane away from that episode knowing about King James. The Timeless Child I think is a really good idea. There's so much potential with that idea and you can do a lot with it. I don't mind that it's the Doctor because it gives her a journey to go on but it doesn't really go anywhere and in all honesty I just wish it was the Master. It at least explains why the Master was so angry and the fandom wouldn't be as aggresively angry about it. Overall, I really liked this era, but even though I enjoyed it, I can't deny the Doctor being morally flippant and being inconsistant (which most of the inconsistances could easily be changed by changing one line of dialogue e.g. Arachnids in the UK "I love a conspiracy" Kerblam! "Don't like conspiracies" when she should've said "Normally I like conspiracies, but something about this feels off" instead) and the boring companions and bland tone of it. I liked it, but Steven Moffat and RTD did a much better job
@tardistime6857
@tardistime6857 Год назад
Fair enough
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer Год назад
I agree with you on Victory of the Daleks. It's an exceptionally bad episode for treating history realistically. It's madly patriotic and jingoistic, as portrayals of Churchill often are.
@ozdocwho5177
@ozdocwho5177 Год назад
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer It's also a partial rip off of Power of the daleks. I am your servant
@roguebritgravy1
@roguebritgravy1 Год назад
Hit the nail on the head there
@pianoif
@pianoif Год назад
bro that subtle jab at JayExci was so slick lmao
@jakeisthedoctor2308
@jakeisthedoctor2308 Год назад
When?
@ftumschk
@ftumschk Год назад
@@jakeisthedoctor2308 When Wingy said that his video wasn't going to be "N" hours long.
@Brizzle427
@Brizzle427 Год назад
Honestly Jodie was the only thing I liked about her era, that being said shes pretty low in my rankings overall so its not saying much. Overall I found that this era had stories that were either predictable where I could see where its gonna go after the first 10-15 min, or makes no fucking sense where I leave thinking "yes I just watched actors move around sets whilst speaking words". I think its a shame as going in I thought the characters could be really interesting and as someone whose favorite era is Hartnells having a more packed Tardis wasn't as big a turn off for me, however I found that with Whittaker the crowded Tardis just left all the characters feeling under developed. I'd have personally made it just Graham and Ryan at first let them resolve the whole dead wife/gran and personal tension and have Yaz be a side character who helps Ryan through it and eventually swaps out Graham as a new member. Also a small thing but I found that a lot of comedy in the show felt very forced where they were trying to make a joke land and be that joke everyone quotes but they end up falling flat and making me wince. When I look back in the era its hard to find an episode I actually liked which is a great shame. And needless to say not happy with the timeless child lore change for the same reasons stated in this video. I think Jodie deserved better, the human race is full of shitty people and no doubt she'll be pestered in person and on social media about how awful she was for years to come.
@ftumschk
@ftumschk Год назад
_"I leave thinking: yes I just watched actors move around sets whilst speaking words"_ - Or, in Ryan's case, stand around like a plank of wood whilst mumbling in a dull monotone. I like to be positive, but for me he was the most uninteresting and (frankly) poorly-acted Companion ever.
@ronaldmurray7416
@ronaldmurray7416 Год назад
In my opinion it started going downhill after Matt Smith left. Peter Capaldi and Jodie Whittaker are both great actors. It's the writing and supporting characters that ultimately fail. I'm so glad the show is getting new life and seems to be returning to form.
@gazzadona
@gazzadona Год назад
I found it to be awful as an era but me and my dad still watched it laughing how bad it was after each episode. Like the visuals do look good as you can see the budget. Will be glad this era will be swept under the rug of a dumpster fire
@zoebarcott9493
@zoebarcott9493 Год назад
I feel like jo Martin was a prime example on why Jodie didn’t work.. Jo was in 3 episode and felt more like the doctor and clicked, like yeah that’s the doctor and I never felt like that with Jodie.
@TheMastermind729
@TheMastermind729 9 месяцев назад
Like no, the doctor isn’t a woman.
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