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My Thoughts on the NEW Panda Controller! 

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CORRECTION: Panda has removable stick GATES, not stickboxes. stick gates are the octagonal part the control stick moves along, while the stickbox is something deeper that is not easily replaceable.
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0:00 Introduction
1:35 Bald Buttons, Durable Control Stick
2:19 USB Cord
2:54 Extra Buttons, Shoulder Heights
3:43 Firmware Updates; Stick Adjustments
5:33 Magnetic Shell
6:04 Button Remapping
7:11 Input Polling
7:50 Potentiometers
8:23 General Thoughts So Far
10:00 Price and Implications
10:57 Rules, Enforcement, Tests
12:39 Community Note
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23 июл 2024

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Комментарии : 108   
@vvlaze
@vvlaze 2 года назад
Even though it’s nothing custom, I love the thumbnail on the video. That big smile on his face just makes you think, “hell yeah mr ppmd, i would love to hear you talk about video games.”
@TheObicobiHD
@TheObicobiHD 2 года назад
Same, great thumbnail haha 😊
@Hibernial
@Hibernial 2 года назад
Makes me think PPMD is saying “Eeeeey!”
@fatalbert135
@fatalbert135 2 года назад
I enjoyed the uncut videos. Specifically for things like these. Out of the ordinary news
@aXema311
@aXema311 2 года назад
Just in reference to the style of video, I think this style of unedited raw production has a place when you're doing something informative such as the topic of this video. For videos that are purely there for entertainment I think production and editing has its place. Not all videos fit into one type and I enjoy both depending on why I click and watch it! Cheers
@jonathansaraco
@jonathansaraco 2 года назад
I kinda feel bad for Goomy cause in some ways the Panda controller invalidates the controller he's spent tons of time developing, but I'm happy that us low-to-mid level players will have a relatively inexpensive option that gets very close to a Goomwave without spending 2-3x more and waiting months to get one.
@Spore_Money
@Spore_Money 2 года назад
goomwave wears out in weeks anyways lmfao
@caseyandrade6417
@caseyandrade6417 2 года назад
Goomy was low-key gate-keeping with that controller, kinda had it coming if you ask me.
@Jin-lp5lt
@Jin-lp5lt 2 года назад
Idk man I'm not gonna feel bad about being offered a better product for a much more competitive price. I feel the same way about frame1 to the b0xx. Pretty sure this was being worked on way before goomwave was announced too.
@AlexRoseGames
@AlexRoseGames 2 года назад
Especially given that Panda have filed for 4 patents on the controller. That leaves a bad taste in the mouth when all their ideas were built off contributions other modders/community members gave to us for free.
@lohn2559
@lohn2559 2 года назад
@@AlexRoseGames you don’t know what the patents are on. I’m sure they aren’t patenting notches and potentiometers lol. The patents aren’t going to affect any modders. This is a great thing for the community, be happy
@jonniemike9
@jonniemike9 2 года назад
hey PP! just wanted to say I enjoyed the wild uncut style of this vid! And thanks for weighing in, I wouldn't have heard of this happening today/yesterday if not for your vid!
@kelownatechkid
@kelownatechkid 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!! And so quickly too!
@alexnoack9941
@alexnoack9941 2 года назад
Regardless of being part of smash or not (I haven't played in years) having a GameCube controller (probably tied for best controller with the Xbox 360) that is modularsounds dope
@waterguyroks
@waterguyroks 2 года назад
Exactly, provided it turns out well I could see myself using it as my main controller for general purpose gaming
@lagspike7763
@lagspike7763 2 года назад
I definitely prefer my pro controller because it has stupid battery life is mad comfortable and is more versatile but I might have to switch
@jlow3777
@jlow3777 2 года назад
I’m super excited for this. I feel like it’s been a long time coming for a company to start mass producing good quality third party controllers that have the benefits people spend tons of money on for mods.
@zombieraddish
@zombieraddish 2 года назад
"Wild and uncut" is typically what I associate with PPMD
@algar6616
@algar6616 2 года назад
i like your wild, uncut style !!
@Orion-ve7kk
@Orion-ve7kk 2 года назад
Love the description
@EmissaryOfSmeagol
@EmissaryOfSmeagol 2 года назад
PP, you are glowing in this video
@Artsteal
@Artsteal 2 года назад
I know you thanks to Bronol, I'm French and frankly you are my favorite smash player, so I wish you strength and courage, look forward to seeing you in tournaments. We all believe in you, you can do it
@danielparker7669
@danielparker7669 2 года назад
Panda can't have a monopoly on gcc bc they can't stop other orgs from entering the space, and ofc they can't up the price past a modded Nintendo controller. So it's just that they have the best product rn which forces other orgs to innovate to compete
@AlexRoseGames
@AlexRoseGames 2 года назад
They can, they've filed for 4 patents on the controller. Their intention is clearly to monopolise, and given their partnership with Nintendo now and that ucf is likely to be axed from at least that circuit, their controller is going to increasingly become an entry requirement
@ohyahfire
@ohyahfire 2 года назад
@@AlexRoseGames Unless you play on cardboard rectangles :)
@danielparker7669
@danielparker7669 2 года назад
@@AlexRoseGames any top player could show up and win using their modded controller like they have for the last decade. And stock nintendo gcc's are still the cheaper option, plus panda can't control locals running ucf. So they wouldn't have a monopoly over anything really
@seaofseeof
@seaofseeof 2 года назад
Panda _can_ have a monopoly on GameCube controllers, but this will mostly depend on TOs and the community at large. If Panda has a monopoly due to market demand, I don't care. They're clearly giving us what we want and they should be rewarded with the benefits of that. But if TOs standarfize that controller in specific, then we're in trouble. Because then TOs would be favoring one esports team above all others, and force competitors on all levels to be their customers. The fact that Panda is allowing the common player the same type of benefits that pros get, something that Goomy hasn't, is really only a plus. Panda's doing a much bigger service to the scene with their controller in the future than Goomy is now.
@AlexRoseGames
@AlexRoseGames 2 года назад
@@danielparker7669 that's precisely why we added ucf. panda's new circuit scrapping UCF means there is suddenly a controller requirement again that has been absent for 4 years. before you could get by just fine with a gc controller with shield drops and dashback. and notching/dashback capacitors/trigger mods were all things that someone with a screw driver/soldering iron/knife and a bit of determination could do now that will no longer be the case, this will be the competitive standard, either you buy a panda controller (or frame1 equivalent) or you are at a severe disadvantage and can't even shield drop consistently. nintendo getting involved in the scene may end up with no more ucf at every single major so spare me news about locals
@legacy9685
@legacy9685 2 года назад
it looks good I hope it feels better and I'm actually thinking about getting it
@MrStroodle
@MrStroodle 2 года назад
That this controller is something that works with PC like a Pro Controller makes me super excited to use it for emulators too!
@ET-oq1vj
@ET-oq1vj 2 года назад
I like that pp looks like he’s celebrating in the thumbnail :)
@ThisIsWEB
@ThisIsWEB 2 года назад
[upset editor noises] NANNEY RAW
@aXema311
@aXema311 2 года назад
*pets*
@MeinNameLol
@MeinNameLol 2 года назад
I shed a tear for the editor :')
@greesy76
@greesy76 2 года назад
yo I used to watch your videos many years ago haha
@greesy76
@greesy76 2 года назад
melee🤝speedsolving
@ThisIsWEB
@ThisIsWEB 2 года назад
@@greesy76 it's fun seeing the crossover in the communities :D
@MasculineMeat
@MasculineMeat Год назад
It’s out!
@BLACKSHADOW97531
@BLACKSHADOW97531 2 года назад
Editor, chime in, you upset?
@ThisIsWEB
@ThisIsWEB 2 года назад
A N G E R Y
@MeinNameLol
@MeinNameLol 2 года назад
I agree mostly. Problem is, people from communities with little innovation tend to feel suspicious towards that sort of thing, since it would definitely change the meta. However, the controller will also flatten the entry hurdle for new players so we'd get more people interested in smash, and additional spectators are then to be expected. Panda not turning huge profits on the controller rn makes me think the whole endeavour to be investing in the future of melee. Of course, they're trying to gatekeep pro-level play with their new controller and I guess it can't be helped. Still, it's a great compromise seeing how original GCCs become fewer by the day, more expensive by the day although being 20 years old in some cases. The back-buttons are awesome and I hope for them to become legal. Making aerials trivially easy is a good thing.
@MTEllipsis
@MTEllipsis 2 года назад
can't really gatekeep pro-level play more than the controller lottery has already been doing, though...
@shawcampbell6326
@shawcampbell6326 2 года назад
PP, the stickbox is the plastic cube that holds the thumbstick to the motherboard, not the octagonal gate around ur controller that gets notched. But the stick box (and your gates) do wear down
@sleepytf2
@sleepytf2 2 года назад
came to the comments expecting this to be the top comment, surprised it is so darn low
@ThisIsWEB
@ThisIsWEB 2 года назад
@@sleepytf2 it's a more recent comment, and the mistake was caught and added to the description early on. But yes it's a good comment 👍
@Prim3MavericK
@Prim3MavericK 2 года назад
Easily the most expensive controller spiking experience of my life
@nahometesfay1112
@nahometesfay1112 2 года назад
You could spike a goomwave
@LaMereACaniche
@LaMereACaniche 2 года назад
The goom is overpriced to hell because they were the easiest to contact and order from. I wonder if prices will drop following this.
@1122markj
@1122markj 2 года назад
Can you turn (like clockwise or counterclockwise) the gates? And can you turn the stickbox inside as well? This has always been my dream. Because I tilt my controllers to the side unconsciously. Thus I run slower and hit entirely different angles than I mean to. It's awful!
@purplefyrus5370
@purplefyrus5370 2 года назад
Glad we gonna get a cheaper Good option. I’m a boxx player tho cuz i have crappy hands so I have literally No say lol
@hibernate44
@hibernate44 2 года назад
The polling is 2000 which is much higher than stock gcc
@PPMD1
@PPMD1 2 года назад
in the ama they said the same but i imagined 2k was higher, wasnt sure. ty
@zachblu999
@zachblu999 2 года назад
It would be nice if the run time on the video explained what topics are discussed during each section of the video. Certain things I want to skip to but don't know where to find easily
@ThisIsWEB
@ThisIsWEB 2 года назад
Good feedback; these will be added to the video soon. They are usually present but aren't here because the video was made to be released quickly. :p
@Mincruse
@Mincruse 2 года назад
cool
@qwertyuiop1234576111
@qwertyuiop1234576111 2 года назад
Im still wondering when controller notches will be banned.
@jasonwalker4003
@jasonwalker4003 2 года назад
A bit concerned that Panda is coming out of the gate with a bunch of features that aren't currently tournament legal. I think I would have preffered to see a "gamecube pro controller" instead, one that's fully legal out of the box with no firmware fiddling necessary. It can still work as is, but it seems like there's some extra steps in the way. That said, if this controller turns out to live up to its promise I'd love to see them make a dualshock style model with playstation 4-3 + pc compatibility for the fgc. It'd be nice to have a quality option for pad players to match the customizability and compadability you find in the nice fightsticks, and I don't think a really good one already exists
@nihila7741
@nihila7741 2 года назад
first
@PPMD1
@PPMD1 2 года назад
NICE
@DasMage4368
@DasMage4368 2 года назад
More like PPHD
@tensei2399
@tensei2399 2 года назад
NOTICE ME!!!!!!!
@Taziod
@Taziod 2 года назад
You should really include a link to the Panda Controller if you're gonna talk about it like this.
@Mayadel100
@Mayadel100 2 года назад
wait, button remapping is illegal in melee? that cant be right
@sleepytf2
@sleepytf2 2 года назад
button swapping is legal and has been for many years through hardware swaps. remapping multiple buttons to the same input (ie. specials) isn't allowed at least currently
@burrhe
@burrhe 2 года назад
Why are back buttons not legal? That seems like a dumb rule
@Luisxpro10
@Luisxpro10 2 года назад
It is. Especially considering they allow players to use a game box
@Prilosac
@Prilosac 2 года назад
1:1 physical button to input rule, can only have 1 X, 1 Y, etc. and the back buttons are bound to X/Y currently
@actually_well_
@actually_well_ 2 года назад
@@Prilosac understandable. Though maybe some way to disable whichever buttons the back buttons are mimicking could be enough to legalize it
@Gamesforus1
@Gamesforus1 2 года назад
@@actually_well_ You can take off the back buttons and insert plugs very easily. The only thing that sucks is that you'd probably have to get ur controller checked that those back buttons are plugged before every set.
@aidanklobuchar1798
@aidanklobuchar1798 2 года назад
@@Prilosac Then would mapping let's say BL to be Y, and disabling Y and BR be legal? We already have two jump buttons and very few use both (and if they do for DJ stuff, they would just switch to a back button).
@jamesc86808
@jamesc86808 2 года назад
They cancelled it and are giving out refunds do to production issues with the manufacturer :(
@AlexRoseGames
@AlexRoseGames 2 года назад
I agree with your concerns on monopoly, and I think it's concerning that they've filed so many patents on this controller. They already made a million in a day, they're going to make their money either way without having to create a looming legal threat over other controller modders. Especially given that all of this tech is based on discoveries by the community, nothing here other than maybe swappable oct gates is a panda invention.
@jazionpurnsky1185
@jazionpurnsky1185 2 года назад
Corporations gonna corpratize
@MTEllipsis
@MTEllipsis 2 года назад
they've still had to put a lot of time and effort into developing it... the ideas have been there, but they had to find a good way of implementing everything together... particularly on the hardware side... i've heard they've filed 4 patens and i would assume that two of those are the expansion system and the cable lock...
@jazionpurnsky1185
@jazionpurnsky1185 2 года назад
@@MTEllipsis I'd like to read the patents. Because embedding magnets in plastic might be worth it. But certainly a small twisting bit of plastic with a notch is not worth one. I could see a patent on the newer thumbsticks they mentioned
@MTEllipsis
@MTEllipsis 2 года назад
@@jazionpurnsky1185 yeah... amyways my point is the patents are gonna be the parts they developed and not stuff like notches and potentiometers... so there's not really any concerns with them applying for patents...
@AlexRoseGames
@AlexRoseGames 2 года назад
@@MTEllipsis they can't patent the expansion system, the n64 controller had that. memory cards, rumble packs etc.
@dankrez346
@dankrez346 2 года назад
secondst
@chrispo7610
@chrispo7610 2 года назад
Pp only gives nice to first place
@Luisxpro10
@Luisxpro10 2 года назад
In my opinion, it is very poor of people to not make this controller legal. As long as the controller does not input combos, or have an auto power shield this controller should be legal. The two buttons in the back can actually revolutionize the meta by allowing players to jump and use the tilt stick at the same time. This can help with your fingers long term health as well. Players have to break their hands just to do fox shine. How can a gamebox be legal, while a modded GameCube controller with back buttons are illegal?
@aidanklobuchar1798
@aidanklobuchar1798 2 года назад
I agree with this. And any 3rd party controller could have a different layout, so would all of those be banned too? Because I could just map Y to the BL button, removing the ZL, BR, and Y buttons if it's a button number issue. And really like, 10,000 people are going to buy this going off the Kickstarter. Popular demand is just going to win out.
@Luisxpro10
@Luisxpro10 2 года назад
@@aidanklobuchar1798 yeah, they should honestly just get rid of the authentic GameCube controller only rule. So long as the player is imputing everything that is done it should be legal imo
@PPMD1
@PPMD1 2 года назад
it will be legal, it'll just be which features are and aren't allowed. but on the whole it will be. kinda like how they can change features of box-style controllers.
@Luisxpro10
@Luisxpro10 2 года назад
@@PPMD1 I feel that. I do feel that the back buttons would completely change the meta. I would like to see those incorporated into the competitive scene as well . It would make games a lot faster and more entertaining
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