My Top 8 Gotham Complaints 

I said toy maker instead of doll maker. Sorry guys. 🐁

Gotham is the perfect example of amazing actors dealing with poor scripts. I completely forgot ra’s al ghul was even a regular on the show they used him that poorly

“Oswald Cobblepot has tiny umbrellas embroidered onto his socks” Wait. . . *turns brightness to full* Ok, NOW I can KINDA see them!

the only good part of the awkward riddle rapping scene is zsasz getting into it

This confirms one thing for me... Victor Zsasz is flawless

my confusion with barbara is how did it even happen, she gets kidnapped by a serial killer and suddenly shes a whole different person nothing made her that way she just happened to become crazy out of nowhere for no reason at all with no explanation at all

I lost my marbles when she zoomed in on the seagulls that aren’t going any where

"You see the seagulls are a metaphor for the plot, they're flapping their wings but they're not going anywhere" Too good, I love gotham but damn, in retrospect it has a lot of flaws

The solution to Ivy's powers of seduction is giving her the power of feigned innocence. She's not gonna get what she wants by removing your pants. She'll get what she wants by going to a police officer with a tear stained face asking for help finding her Mommy and then after telling him her address lead him someplace quiet to slit his throat. That's what the fanfic community does and it's truly terrifying when done correctly

Bullock approaching 9000+IQ dealing with the mad hatter

“YOU ARE NOT HYPNOTIZING ME AGAIN AHHHHH!!!”

"They're flappin' their wings, but they're not goin' anywhere" Amazing.

"she is beauty, she is grace, my hand is hitting my f**king face" oh my god u r my new fave channel

I love the idea of Ed "my entire character is I have a giant ego, and try to prove I'm better than people" Nygma sitting down, and writing a rap, then finding two homeless dudes to go and sing it to the mayor. But honestly, I stan the shit out of this show, its a mess, but a mess that's sort of good

When the Kristen clone was sent in as Edwards perfect girlfriend, I was like, "oh this cheesy, but that's on brand" because I was SO convinced that Isabella was made by Hugo strange, and sent by Court of Owls, to access Edwards eligibility to join the Court of Owls. The court of Owls made a clone of Bruce Wayne, so we know that they can do that, and Riddler is an intelligent individual that they could profit from using. If the court made Edward emotionally attached Isabella, who is built to be his ideal girlfriend, then they could use that to manipulate him into doing what they wanted. It explained why she looked like Kristen Kringle. It explained why she sticks with him even after learning that he was in Arkham for murder. Also, it explained why she said she had to leave to attend a "LIBRARIAN CONFERENCE" which I assumed was her cover for a Court of Owls de-briefing. So you can imagine my frustration when the conclusion was "She was just a rando look-a-like."

"Batman created his villains" has been a dumb, nonsensical argument since forever, so I'm actually kinda glad that it isn't a part of Gotham.

I think the "Isabella dying scene" could have been so much better because Penguin is constantly teetering on the knives edge between impulsive outbursts and long thought out schemes. It would have been so much better for him to think out a plan and then abandon it in a fit of rage. Like if he just shot her in front of Ed after she survived the car incident because it could show him as an evil child prone to outbursts.

"Ed Nygma, the riddle-loving forensic scientist has a big crush on his coworker, Kristen Kringle. Unfortunately for Ed, he has an alternative personality that has a big crush on murder." That line got me to laugh so hard, holy shit. Like, just the way you delivered it was 👌 perfection

Hugo Strange is one of Batman’s most complex villains, but is reduced to nothing more than a plot device to bring characters back from the dead.

"listen to what i have to say!" "OH HELL NO, YOUR NOT HYPNOTIZING ME AGAIN! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

I kind of love the bit where Riddler and Penguin capture each other back and forth in the car. It's just so goofy.

I wanna see a Gotham spinoff where it's an adult Batman fighting late middle age or elderly versions of his villains. That's literally what this show is setting up Gotham to be lol

"Fish" as your example of a character that "flounders." Slow clap

Remember finding out how Barbra was still alive after Tabitha electrifying her? Me neither. What about that time when Ed didn't have a crappy hair cut? Nope. You know what I do remember tho? The spirit of the goat.

"Let go of the metaphor, Jim!" "NOOOOOO, I'LL NEVER LET GO OF THE PEOPLE OF GOTHAM!!!" holy shit I love you please make videos for the rest of forever

Best thing In gotham for me was when the mad hatter was trying to use mind control but bullock just screams and chases them down as they just run dunno why I laughed so much but I did

Writer 1: So I was thinking we would resolve this character’s arc by having- Writer 2: Clones. Writer 1: But- Writer 2: *C L O N E S*

I saw your Ron video and then marathoned all your other videos, they're so good, you're having so much fun talking about everything you talk about, praise the algorithm for bringing me here

I got cheated out of an adorable bond between Nygma and Cobblepot and I will NEVER forgive Gotham for it. I wanted to see them being evil super villains that love each other and what did I get?? A BUNCH OF NOTHING.

I named Ed and oswalds fued The Two Most Powerful Men in Gotham Throw Temper Tantrums

Also, again, Barbara is really the character that lived too long to the point where the writers really don't know where to take them. Like Jerome should have killed her, or something like that.

*Spoilers for season 5's ending* One of my favourite relationships in Gotham is between Fish and Penguin. There's a big running theme throughout the show that Fish Moony essentially created The Penguin seeing as if she never took him on as her Umbrella Boy, Oswald would have never been sent down the road to become Penguin and this is cleverly finalised at the end of season five, during the Dollmaker episodes as you said Fish Moony gouges her left eye out and it gets replaced with a bright blue eye, later on in the final few episodes of season five Oswalds right eye gets blown up by a grenade. during the "ten years later" episode we see that Oswald had his right eye replace with a bright blue eye as well. Symbolising he and Moony are essentially two sides of the same coin and that he wouldn't have gotten where he was without her. It's one of those details I missed first time watching it and only really dawned on me a couple weeks after I finished season 5.

The entire "Penguin loves Ed" idea was clearly made to be a tease with no planned pay-off. Ever. There are so many other ways they could've handled the writing and still ended up at the same place they did while also giving us interesting and new views on the characters. Just have Ed fall in love with a girl. Penguin was Ed that the Riddler will kill her. Penguin serves Ed and his girlfriend enough booze for Ed to lose control, kill her and hide the body himself like he did with Kristen. Ed blames himself. Penguin confesses his love, Ed rejects but (over a few episodes) warms up to the idea as Penguin is someone the Riddler can never kill, aka, giving him someone to love forever. They fall in love. Some time goes by, Ed figured out what Penguin did, Ed and Riddler merges and takes revenge. Boom. Same end result, much better road to it.

This show sounds like Batman's rogues' gallery trying to "It was just a prank, bro" each other and...that kind of makes me want to watch it? These videos are great! Keep it up!

Also Isabella was going so slow she could have jumped out of the car and had minor injuries at worst.

Ed and Oswald kept me watching for 5 years. You have to watch this show with a sense of humor. No one really died.

The riddler was my favourite character, they never really did anything with him and he slowly fell off. Such a shame

Actually, the Baloonman is actually a Batman villain. He's just really stupid and forgettable

I kinda love this show but god is it stupid. I think one of my biggest complaints is that they under/misused characters like Victor Zsasz and Harvey Dent.

Jerome is the Joker as far as im concerned. He hit every character feature just right, and in his own way.

Best thing about Gotham is probably Harvey Bollock. I love his humor. Gotham is alright but man, at certain points the show becomes a meme. I will say there are moments where it ain’t all meme like.

Everybody absolutely hated Barbara in the first season,because she was such a colossal nag. I'm convinced that they turned her into a villain to try and salvage the character in some way.

This show is the worst kind of frustrating sometimes. I think Cory Michael Smith who plays Ed Nygma is arguably the most believable portrayal of any character on the show, but also the most well acted generally. And there have been some absolutely phenomenal scenes with the character; namely the "it felt beautiful" scene, and the initial time that Nygma shot Cobblepot and threw him in the river. It feels like the actors are trying to save the show from its own bad writing and vision and it kinda blows.

"See, the seagulls are a metaphor for the plot. They're flapping their wings, but they're not going anywhere." I had to listen to to this line many times in a row because I could not stop laughing. Your delivery of it was perfect. Also, the rest of the video is great too. But something about that particular line tickled me.

me watching Gotham: "god, I love it, but I HATE it"

They turned Mister Freeze into Captain Cold.

The birds are symbolism for the plot. They are flapping but not going anywhere hahahahaha xD love it

I thought Isabella was just Kristen Kringle, but resurrected bc somebody wanted to mess with him. And her brain was jumbled bc she was literally dead.

“She is beauty, she is grace, my palm is hitting my f*cking face” Best. Quote. Ever

"The Balloon Man is the true test for how much you DON'T respect your time." Jesus Christ, I couldn't agree more. Now I hate myself for watching two whole seasons of this.

My two biggest issues with Gotham...EVERY SINGLE time the Gordan and Lee romance shows up...so like 40% of the 3rd/4th seasons. And my second issue is that you can make a drinking game for how many times the GCPD gets taken over by literally anybody. And I mean ANYBODY. Sometimes it's just one person. Sometimes it's only 3 random thugs that Mad Hatter recruited. It's just soooo soooo common. I understand that the Gotham police force is just terrible at their jobs, but when it's every other episode, it gets a little ridiculous...more so then usual.

The Dollmaker was such a wasted villian.

"Oh no! My brakes aren't working and I'm slowly driving towards a train! I better not...do anything...like spin the wheel around so at most I crash into a wall, at best I do a cool skid."

You nailed it for Barbara! About the Batman creating its villains, honestly, when you look at the origin stories in the comics, most of times, Batman has nothing to do with them becoming criminals. In fact, the Batman Animated Series had an episode where this question was explored in a fun and clever way.

I feel like an interesting way to go with Isabella would be to make the fact that she looks like Kristin completely in Ed's mind. Like Oswald see's her for the first time and it's just straight up a different actor. It could have been a fun twist, and a way to get rid of the whole confusing doppelganger arc. It would also be another way to solidify the fact Ed is fucking insane. Also, I love the stabbing idea, where Oswald just kills her there. This could leave more time in the season to expand on her character prior to her death, and have Ed figure out it was Oswald. When it comes to everything else, I actually really enjoyed it and it become one of my favorite arcs in the show.

Take a shot everytime *anyone* says "L I S T EN U P". Down ur drink if its someone other than Gordon

Honestly I quit about half way through season 3...got tired of "how can we screw over jim gordan today"

Young Justice has the human props problem too. Characters are brought in and partially fleshed out and then just kind of stick around doing nothing besides being extended cameos or cute nods. Also, funnily enough, Titans also has that colour saturation/lighting problem.

Can we also talk about how the Poison Ivy stuff is creepy as hell because she is still technically teenager Ivy's brain? Like, making a teenager have a adult's body and then making their character a seductress is SUPER skeevy

I’m shocked you didn’t bring up the build up of Lee and Ed getting together just for it to blow up in our faces.

Honestly everytime Jim sees the mad hatter he should do what Harvey did. I mean everytime Jim runs into the Mad Hatter he gets hypnotized

Gotham is so so so so flawed. But I love it anyway lol. The characters are just so damn lovable. I can’t totally hate anyone. Except the mad hatter. God that dude just makes me M A D

I despise the trend of making everything dark. It just makes everything less interesting to look at. WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST COLOR?

"The show can become hypnotizingly boring while you wait for the characters you enjoy to show up and actually do something cool." I couldn't agree more with that statement.

I started watching the show because of the last video so i'm glad part 2 is out

This videos have a mesmerising quality to them: while they are bashing the show for its missteps you can feel a lot of love and care for the show. And you know that? I'm going to give it another shot, i stopped watching it mid-season 1, but kept tabs on it, and, i guess, this video made a final push for me. Thank you.

honestly, Victor Zsasz was the saving grace of this show

"Let go of the metaphor, Jim!" I laughed.

The riddler just looks like idubbbz lmao

Thank you for actually explaining all your dislikes and flaws.

"flesh space" followed by "once or twonce" is the best thing ever.

I've been watching the series for the first time and what I find most disappointing about the Isabella plot is that she actually did turn out to be nothing but a random doppleganger who only existed to become the Riddler's perfect girlfriend, and then die. I had assumed, given that the show was running another plot at the same time about a doctor who kills people to give their faces to criminal clients, that she was going to turn out to be a plant by someone who wanted to steal power away from Mayor Penguin by using his best friend against him. (I was thinking Court of Owls since we'd already seen that they can clone people.) Given Oswald's history with betrayal and losing loved ones, this could have cemented the Penguin and Riddler as a team and it would've made so much more sense than what we actually got. :(

Okay. Can I just say I want to hug you for everything you said about Mr. Freeze and grief. ‘Cos holy shit every word of that hit home and hit hard. Because I know that grief so well and even before I had to experience that life changing moment, I was always blown away and deeply touched by Victor’s struggle. It’s why a lot of different versions that forget all they key components are always forgettable and inferior.

I completely agree with all of your points. As someone who loves the Batman universe and enjoys watching Gotham, it's definitely an extremely poorly written series. I enjoy watching it because I like seeing alternate stories for some of my favorite characters. There are bits in the series that I really do love, but I definitely watch it with my standards lowered. I will say that I'm surprised you chose Nygma's whole Isabella saga as your number 1 pick. Don't get me wrong, it was bad and it should be on the list, but I personally would have chosen Barbara Keen as my number 1 pick. Her character is literally the most poorly written thing I've ever consumed in any sort of entertainment.

Let Oswald and Ed be boyfriends

31:17 “See, the seagulls are a metaphor for the plot: they’re flapping their wings, but they’re not going anywhere.”

As someone who doesn’t have any friends who watch Gotham either I can totally relate to you. But I honestly can’t even in good faith recommend this show to them, mostly because of a lot of the reasons you point out. I wouldn’t even subject myself to the show but I’m a sucker for Batman content and have a hard time starting a show and not seeing how it concludes. One of my biggest gripes with the show is also Barbara. I’m all for having strong female characters but his character in such constant change that it drives me nuts. I think the show runners love the actress so much that they wanna keep her in the show but her arc is all over the place. One of my nitpicks with the show was their handling of Harvey Dent. They introduced him as a young lawyer (I think?) way back in season one and then abandoned the character (I think the actor went on to other projects so maybe that had something to do with it). They really should’ve made the character a peer of Bruce so we could see their friendship grow, despite us knowing their eventual fates. Hell I would’ve even gave them a pass if they retconned his character, god knows they’ve done it before. Thank you so much for the video! I totally agree with your entire list. Look forward to your potential future videos!

"We're watching a show that's bored of itself." Yeah, most of us are lol.

I literally haven't watched this series but i'm so attracted by the bromance that i'm willing to sit through this.

"she is beauty, she is grace, my palm is smacking my (bleep)ing face" - this line killed me XD XD Please keep making more videos, I love them!

I totally erased The Balloonman from my memory... Great vid and so glad I subbed!

Oh man am I the only one who liked the Balloonman episode. Not gonna lie, I didn't know how many weather balloons it'd take to lift a person so I never really questioned it (too much Metal Gear maybe), but I can't really defend it having seen how many it'd actually take to lift a person But I still like the idea of these one-off cases that are pretty much just regular criminals with the exception of one gimmick. Start it off small before you get to the straight up murder clowns, plant powers, and freeze guns. And I liked him being a weird predecessor to Batman, a vigilante who goes after corrupt officials and uses a bit of theatricality to send a message. Gotham needs someone like the Balloonman, but the Balloonman himself isn't even close to competent enough to be what Batman ends up being. Maybe he would've worked better later on in the season, since the previous two episodes had just been a regular crime drama without any gimmicks. Also 23:19 #LetQuinnSayFuck

When this show basically just started throwing in all the Batman villains they could, even when it made no sense, why not just make a cool Batman show?

I feel like the writers wanted Ed and Oswald's relationship to be similar to Hannibal and Will's from the NBC Hannibal tv show but they backed out halfway through. Thanks, I hate it!

My reasons I don't like the show 1. It starts killing the Waynes not letting us know who the hell they are like a prequel should 2. The animated series focused more on the villains back story rather than a show that is exactly supposed to do so 3. Rarely even back story on Gotham 4. Bruce is a whiney brat 5. Rushing 6. References to shit that hasn't even happened yet

The first season is definitely my favorite because it what nobody has; they focused on the mafia. Falcone, Maroni, Penguin- It was a very interesting storyline which i loved In the second season, Jerome won my heart. Me believing he was the joker (i'm always open to different versions) I couldn't be more pleased. But as they continued it seemed the show lost its focused; it had _too_ many characters with _too_ many storylines and it didn't know where to focused the most - resulting in a huge mess. I think the show would have been more popular if they didn't force all the characters together. On another note: *please make part 3*

The line "pitch and yzma making out against a steel refrigerator" is a testament to how underrated this channel is with only 65k subscribers

I'm so glad we live in an age where media critics make Homestuck references.

love your vids quinn. i cant wait to see what else you have in store for us!. also... "i'm in forensics."

I kinda liked fish. I just hate what they are doing with most characters. (Resurecting them everytime they die but for some reason someone stays dead sometimes)

I watched the whole series so it's been a while since the Balloon Man. Yes there's a big Rogues Gallery but S01 E03 is too early for any of them. We want to watch them develop. So the Balloon Man (BM to his pals) is a weirdo that prepares us for the idea that Gotham's residents can be a bit theatrical in their mental breakdowns. Like the fat guy in the vaguely Batman looking cowl from early on. Maybe Balloon Man was meant to inspire Kite Man. - And Harvey wanted Jim to let go because of the risk of shooting him in the balloon knot. - I loved the series, but I can see it's flaws. I'm just good at developing a head cannon that allows me to hang in. Like Firefly's suit material needed to be cured to reach it's final invulnerability. When that girl peed herself it was like adding carbon to hot iron to make steel. - Love your videos, your comedic timing and presentation are incredible.

Quinn: my favorite parts of this subplot are Barbara Kean shouting- Barbara: NIIIIIIIG- Me: 0_0 Barbara: -MAAAAA! Me: Oh good, thought that was going in a very different direction for a sec.

For me it’s the “joker problem” I understand there’s legal problems and they can’t use the name and certain aspects but it annoys me that characters like the penguin and riddler get solid motivation and arcs but Bruce’s most iconic villain can’t. The Valeska twin thing is okay, a little lazy but I feel it would’ve been better if it was one guy from the beginning who along with Bruce and Selina grow to become the character we all love.

Honestly, I love this show. It has bad plots sometimes and really awkward cgi, but the character like Nygma make it worthwhile for me.

“This show looks like karkat’s Balls.” CAUGHT ME SO OFF GUARD AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

when she started talking about death with mr. freeze i- i almost ched tears

Every time I remember that Ed is my favorite character I think about why I like him the only actual good phase he had was in season one with the good guy/bad guy thing but it was still pretty meh, And also I hate Bruce’s relationship with Selina because I really like them in the comics but they just seem off in the show, and I just realized why am I watching this videos I pretty much hate the entire show but I still love watching the plot ruin itself over and over

I loved your character analysis of Mr Freeze, Ive never heard someone go so deep into his character. SUBBED!

Im absolutely loving your channel! It's been 10 months since my 6 year old daughter passed away and I'm still in that frozen stage although I feel like I'm starting to thaw. The way Freeze mourns is a little extreme.

I always wondered throughout watching Gotham why does Jim Gordon name his daughter Barbra , like hmm let's name our daughter after my psycho ex girlfriend that has caused us so much trauma . I honestly thought at the end of the series she would do something so heroic it would completely redeem her enough for jim to forgive her and love as she dies in his arms