Small Quick Ordinary Look at The Umbrella Academy 

Quinn Curio welcome back

Quinn Curio what are your thoughts on the MCU

Great video, first time watching the channel and I think you have some pretty good insights but I wanted to mention that I think you missed that Chacha has feelings for Hazel, thoughts?

I wasn't sure if that's what they were going for or if I was just assuming Chacha liked him romantically because she's a woman and there is an element of jealousy involved. So I decided to not comment on it.

Just like in general? I like it, and I like crying when the characters die. I'm not even sure how I would approach talking about the MCU on my channel, I wanna do Harry Potter stuff first.

Me at the doctor's office

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Reporter: "Would you say you're an independent person?" Luther: Daddy, am I an independent person? Reginald: Yes, you conformist twit. Luther: Yes.

​@skeleton They did lol They added Reginald insulting Luther and explicitly calling him conformist, making it even more sad and ironic

Shit you need to leave Luther alone goddammit

Jeff Torres 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Yes he did

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Yes, yes he did. *Nr. 5* is my favorite Character.

@@jackwriter1908 No. 5

@@fenexus404 other Country, other Name.

@SamTheSoviet42 In the comics at least, it is unconfirmed in the show.

Pretty sure this vid came out before season two

So he can control velocity?

Five: Bit.ch say what?

if timelines function as nodes where events happen or not, it could make sense. I mean, the Comission works this way, making events happen as their prefered timeline

five in second season: haha farts go brr

I mean in this show time-travellers are immune from time changing so things are fine for them

Five : *Time go brrra kakaka skibidi papa and a dun dun dunbrrr skia kukukukuku dun dun*

Department store*

@Aurora Nightingale Yep thnx fr using the right quote

It was actually the most stable relationship in this family was when five was banging that mannequin

I mean it's not false. He and Delores had decades together.

i thought it was "the most stable relationship in this family was when five was screwing that manikin"

Elliot Page is so incredibly talented. I’m super excited for season 3.

@@Blueeyesthewarrior ikr?! he’s so amazing

I remember watching that seen and hearing Vanya panic, and I just started crying. It was so impactful.

@@aliadrift yeah right! I felt so sorry for Vanya. She never meant to hurt anyone but she got out of control. And still it's not her fault. She's just the kindest, nicest, most sensitive and loving character. She wouldn't even hurt Luther who did so many bad things to her.

@@Blueeyesthewarrior so true omfg i love him sm he’s such a good actor

So her husband didnt love her and divorced her due to abuse. Thats why she cant see her daughter. She used her powers on her kid.

But how did he eventually stop loving her though? How did he break the curse?

@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 maybe the influence of rumors don't last forever

@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 I think that Patrick does still love her, but that his love for her is overshadowed by his need to protect his daughter. Even when getting divorced, people can and do still love each other.

@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 Her rumors probably don’t last forever. When Lila made her not be able to breath she didn’t die, it lasted probably not even a minute before she was good again

Hopefully it still might

i'm pretty sure season 2 is in the past around the 60's era like kennedy's assination. Since vietnam was the same era, i am hoping they'll touch more on the relationships or just what Klaus did in the 10 months in vietnam. Hope he meets Dave but young Dave and they start dating :)

@@peepeetrain8755 welp....they did Klaus dirty huh

@@gwinnellheald8592 i mean it is understandable and how he approached dave was off like your a famous cult leader approaching a guy who clearly does not know his gender/sexuality yet and convince him you were lovers in the future in front of his clearly "straight" uncle.

@@gwinnellheald8592 LMAOJWJSJWKSJDKSN

I feel way too much for Vanyas mental state Including placing huge import on a certain skill to feel worth it

José Ribamar Jr 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I needed to hear this today.

yeah, now I only wish that I could actually believe it

@@aldoushuxley5953 You don't ever have to justify your existence. You exist and that's the way it should be.

Literally why don't more people find it weird? The show kind of makes it seem like it's a normal relationship to have.

To me it always felt like we were supposed to find it weird. It's a trauma thing. Growing up they didn't have access to the outside world or anyone outside the "family" and so they only had each other when they started getting those feelings. So naturally they came to focus them on each other. But it was said in S2 that they never even kissed. Idk, I just always got the feeling it was written that way for a reason, because they didn't have the experience and knowledge to know any different when they were younger, and when they were adults Allison had clearly come to kind of realise it was messed up because she'd lived in the real world (to a degree, can you really call it the real world when she used her power to get basically everything?) but Luther still felt that attachment to her because he'd still been isolated having never left home until he was sent to the moon. I think it was actually pretty well done...

@@Dazzlefae Oh! That's actually a really interesting way of looking at it, i've never thought of that!

@@Dazzlefae yes I mean weird as it is the point of it I think is to understand the isolation I think the family felt. Growing up we know they never were really allowed actually connect with anyone outside of the academy, hence the many ways most of the characters are stunted emotionally with relationships both known in friendships and romantically. In the case of Allison and Luther I don’t think it was just a sense of romance but the idea of connection, being seen and heard. The understand they had with each other having powers and that connection of trauma from training/missions/their father- yes it showed itself in puppy love. Yet to me it feels just as how Viktor sees Leonard as a point of validation, Allison and Luther were that for each other. It wasn’t until Allison was able to break out and work on building other connections she stopped needing it from Luther.

I always found it weird because in the later seasons they try to act more like siblings and bond like siblings

well the "talking to dead people" part, the immortality part just feeds his mental illness because he can behave as he likes with few consequences

@@larrystrange8044 At the time of this being posted, the power wasn't revealed yet

Klaus' power is essentially schizophrenia if the hallucinations were real. It's absolutely terrifying and he can't conciously control it, at least not in the beginning, of course he's doing his best to block it out.

Arwen Carbery Once when I was in elementary school a girl was being mean to me and it just got to be too much, so I kicked her, but immediately after I was crying and apologizing because I realized how bad it was that I did that. Felt just like that scene, but with less blood, obviously

@@sydneyhall8610 less blood?

@@elinoadelazerda2428 um yeah?

One time my sister and I were fighting over my toy bunny. I don't remember why exactly but I REALLY wanted her (the bunny) back and pulled as hard as I could while my sister did not let go and in the end, it tore an ear off. I ended up crying and running to mom to fix it. I think it's like that too. Your emotions get the better of you and you become so desperate you just physically react to what you want/ need at that time. And either someone or something gets hurt in the process. What I'm saying is I also totally get what you're talking about, and Allison needed to back off when Vanya got too overly stimulated/ angry

My gf hated the character but I was like wouldnt you do that if that same person was integral In you feeling small and assisting your father in making you feel so

I love this comment so much, lol.

😂

That explains why he ignored Vanya, he can only keep 6 in his party

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Their typings, what should they be though?

As do most of us who work so hard not to be our parents 😅

It's the mark of the balance between past and future: "Yes, but not your way" is the eternal cry of the adolescent

Or maybe he is just so used to gunfire as backround noise after 10 months in Vietnam it doesnt even register or somthing?

@@Lasanga95 true as well!

Amy Aberrant my theory is that he’s kind of oddly numb to gunfire

@@salenebrom6476 probably. Also, can gunfires be ghost?

I think he has PTSD from both gunfire and Chacha and maybe Chacha overweighed here

I think he just has Tinnitus from the Battlefields.(Tho yeah he should have acted differently there)

Crowscythe he might think it’s in his head tho

Deception975 I CAME TO THE COMMENTS FOF THIS LOL

@@britneytheunicorn2832 me to xD

@@alivia9735 and if you know of "friendship is witchcraft" the song in the background fits to a t (except the stalkery posesive obsesive side of the song)

Ditto, I actually laughed harder at that joke than I probably should have!😅

You love what, incest??

That’s what I was thinking

Yeah I think it's in character for him. I assumed he was either high as balls and it didn't fully hit him how weird it was, OR he assumed Luther was on steroids.

Hey, that’s me! A smart kid being praised for that all her life and having an identity crisis when she gets to a uni where everybody’s smart AND SMARTER. Soo if you ever wanna talk about it, drop me a line maybe? 👀

I had an ex like this. Atleast youre aware.

Oy I feel ya buddy. But we're gonna grow and get better and figure it out! Just slowly maybe 💜

Good luck, you can do it.

Same, I actually paused the video when she talked about the self- esteem thing because it just hit so close to home.

to be fair, Luther went through just as much abuse... only his was different because he was simultaneously being manipulated by Hargreaves into being the perfect soldier/getting his siblings on board. his desperation to prove his father cared about him was the reason why he so desperately brought up the moon mission - because if it wasn’t, then why had he risked his life, given up a childhood, stayed emotionally stunted, stayed isolated from his siblings, etc. if there was no point?

@@lainareese5777 Seconded, Luther just wanted his father to love him, and paid the price for being Reggie's favourite child. He brings up the moon in a desperate attempt to prove that he wasn't sent up there for nothing, and to be fair, he doesn't bring it up as often as the fandom would have you believe. Luther is also so cut off from his siblings that he doesn't realize the extent of how damaging their childhoods were. For instance, he tells Klaus that he wishes that he was happier like him, even though everyone else can tell that Klaus was haunted by ghosts, and turned to drugs to cope with it, even though they don't take him seriously for the most part.

This video: *gives a nuance and detailed description of the abuse and manipulation Luther went through and dissects his character enough to see the complexities of his background and personality* This fandom: lOl daD sEnT Me tO THe mOon

Reginald: I Love you to the Moon and..well, yeah.

@@lainareese5777 In my opinion Klaus went through the most abuse. Luther was more emotional abuse but Dad also became a tiny bit more sympathetic towards him. But still, he uses that for every excuse which gets really annoying. Klaus was mentally tormented causing him to have a drug problem to feel numb and he acts as if he's ok went he's self-destructing so much, which I think is way worse. Besides, even in death their Dad was disrespectful and disappointed in Klaus. It was kind of sad

lmfao

Ellen page being in X-men

I'm starting to suspect that between "X Men" and "The Umbrella Academy", Ellen Page is really just a girl with powers in real life!😁🎻🔉

I hadnt even realized it was 50 minutes lmao thanks for making me aware I have to leave in 15min

hey but it's better than the X-MEN movies those things were terrible

and seemed to revive his hero complex as well

Harder to be a vigilante if everyone knows the facts of your life. But I know guys like Diego, they LOVE to be a mystery. They don’t want you to know why they behave the way they do. Being mysterious is easier than overcoming your trauma.

If you haven't then please do it's amazing

Sums the show up amazingly well.

@@fan2fics389 no...

Yes, but this time those daddy issues are pretty legitimate. XD

@@gabrieltiq412 What?

I agree, Grace clearly named them long before Five went missing. I theorized that he rejected a name because his number defined him, and helped him stand out from everyone else, who all went by their "ordinary" names.

I think on twitter they confirmed "Five" os his name, cause he was a mathematical and strategic genius and so his name was just also number, and he embraced it during surviving the apocalypse

thats why i adore five so much! for me, he isnt dedicated to his father but hes smart and aware enough to realize how much potential his power has

Makes him sound even more like a badass assassin ngl

IT WAS DRIVING ME CRAZY TRYING TO REMEMBER THE SONG! It was so funny to realize why it was such a good choice…

Ahhh similar to how in the first episode, when Five first arrives, Klaus asks if anyone else sees “little number Five” or if it’s just him, because he thinks he could be seeing Five’s ghost. Poor Klaus, at this point in his life the lines between what’s real, what’s dead, what’s a flashback and what’s just drug hallucination must be ridiculously blurred.

@@cascharles3838 yes, officer, this person right here is making me cry. tell them to stop. you heard them, stOp iT.

I agree. Klaus' behavior is never surprising to me. Dude lived through a figurative war zone, then was dropped in a literal war zone.

I love that theory

Granny T idkkk though I think a lot of that is klaus being sarcastic

that's actually a great interpretation wow

That's my headcanon now

It would've been more understandable if it was shown as a friends relationship than a lover relationship.

@@ayshaalmarar1819 I think the fact that it is a "lover relationship" plays on the theme that the people who are supposed to love him don't, but he always has that one-sided love for them. He thinks that she must still love him because of that history, just as he thinks Mom must love him because of her role in his life despite the fact that she isn't human.

@@Leiloke to expand a little more on that, i can't help but think that Diego's struggle in his relationships with other people extends from his inability of letting go of the feelings he experienced with them. you can see it with his mom - despite knowing that she was programmed to act in a certain manner, that she was affectionate with every one of them, he can't help but think that he is special; he can't let go of the feeling that Grace truly loves him, and he can't understand why his siblings don't feel the same way about her. this is something that is recurrent in his relationship with Patch, too. she doesn't like him, they broke up, he is annoying - but she loved him once, that has to mean something, right? if he can't stop loving her, she shouldn't be able to either. the fact that she died is actually detrimental for his development as a character, you see, he was able to let go of his mother once he truly understood the extent of her programming, but Patch is dead - she is never coming back, and that leaves Diego in place to just remember her; she isn't there to put him in place, she can't act or talk for herself, no one in Diego's social group knows her, so the only thing left of her is the twisted memory he has of the person she was before she grew up - because he never accepted the person she ended up being. he obsesses, he can't let go of his feelings, he doesn't understand why people don't feel the way he does.

pretty much, another possible solution to how OP she is is if the people she's fighting know in advance what her power is. if she has the element of surprise, it's incredibly difficult to defeat her. she's also quite capable in a fight.

I also think the drugs are not Klauss' main problem, not being able to deal with all the dead people talking is. Not sure if she could rumour that away

@@ApequH Exactly! And because Klaus' power functions like a mental illness, if she completely stripped him of his coping mechanism, he'd probably do some _even more_ insanely self-destructive shit to try and get the voices of the dead to stop terrorizing him, and probably fuck himself up even worse trying.

@@fandomcringebucket also even if she could say rumor it away much like Viktor and the rest of the family or her love rumor, it’s shown that rumors can only work as temporary locks, much like real issues. Klaus having the voices rumored away might solve it but for how long before the vault is open again for Klaus to deal with? Is it expected that Allison would just rumor away the ghosts and voices whenever Klaus had to deal with them again but honestly that sounds even worse + just more trauma for both characters something Allison probably couldn’t handle given the pain rumoring people has done to her mentally as well.

Reginald is a massive idiot in what he made Allison do to Viktor. Instead of making Viktor's emotions and power held back, Reginald could've told Allison to say "I heard a rumor you have perfect control over you emotions and powers". smh. Allison could've said "I heard a rumor you heal from all your trauma and have the best controls over your addiction and power". SMFH.

Tbh✨

@@charliedear8802 Elliot

@@charliedear8802 you tried

​@@charliedear8802 Elliot*

@@shanikamurray4333Wait who tf is Elliot?

Kia Not The Car - I like the “he doesn’t know if it was in his head” idea, though it’d have to be a lot better set up. And war DOES NOT numb people to gunshots. Quite the opposite. Veterans are the most prone to anxiety attacks from a car backfire of any demographic.

@@samwallaceart288 In a way, I agree. But how long had Klaus been back from War at this point? A couple days? And he still never really left the War Zone in a way. He got used to it in Vietnam, but he never got the chance to get used to being out of a War Zone really, so his reaction would make sense really, because in his mind me never left that War Zone. But it probably was more that he thought it was in his head because of PTSD and all that...

Kia Not The Car like he was numb to it at this point

Too high to freak out, maybe. I don't know if he was sober in that scene.

@@theshamanite He was definitely sober, this is right before the scene where he summons Ben with his full-fledged powers -- he couldn't have been under the influence of drugs if he was be able to do that

Ditto, I liked the understated relationship between Five and Vanya, despite them not interacting much after the first episode. When Five is fighting with Reginald about time travelling, Vanya is the only one to attempt to dissuade him from trying, subtle shaking her head. She also wrote some nice excerpts about him in her autobiography, and Five compliments her on it following his return. Lastly, when Vanya breaks out of the vault Luther imprisoned her in and embraces her White Violin persona, she has flashbacks to all the times her siblings mistreated her. Five notably isn't present during this sequence.

@@trinaq Nice catch on the flashbacks, totally missed that.

Me too. I hope we get more flashback scenes between the two!

@@trinaq I noticed that in the flashbacks too. It's another change from the comics, as in that Five said he never liked Vanya. I'm happy they changed it ':D

I wish we had a little more between them after the beginning though

Ohhh that actually makes a lot of sense.

I'm not calling you a liar, but is there a source for that, because it feels like something someone who hates Luther made up.

@@issacalleyne8665 out of the seven of them Luther is technically the least powerful.

You Don't Need To Know Who I Am No, I’d say Diego is.

@@j2dragon109 I'd say Diego could've been more powerful.

underrated comment

@Minami Uchida well her torso is her body so technically your both right.

How she gonna carry it if she have 1 arm and half a body

​@@DracoMalfoy-tf9rm plot polka?

exactlyy dalores is the best character and she is really strong and op too lol

Like in The Craft! Such a good point. It’s the old, love potion backfire- makes so much sense

Interesting

I'm a male and I know more about menstrual cycles tmore than I do about this conversation please teach me Obi-Wan Kenobi you are my only hope

@@leeroberts4850 wait wut -_-

@@mikuappendver1086 wtf is blending foundation

@Sylvie Wėęēñńg well did she put her makeup on right in the umbrella academy? It just seems to me like Vanya didn't have anyone to teach her how to put on make up. But gay men and drago queens figure it and something tells me they don't learn it from their mothers

hi hungry I'm rat Don't you see Rat? In Reginald's mind he IS a good father.

I think they're saving that for season two.

To not give too much away, he would have been able to see through the use of her power.

He is too smart for that and she was probably scared of him.

she probably either didn’t think she could, or she couldn’t. people’s definition of good parenting are different and like @Enuma Elish said, what he was doing could’ve been what he considered good parenting.

Except for all the poor nannies he murdered as a child for trying to get him to eat breakfast. That was pre Allison rumouring him, so . . .

But they were taught to hate her

😂

Guess you gotta beat the heck out of Allison to see if you ever had a power before 💁‍♂️ Good luck

Try stop taking your pills (but like actually don't do that)

Was your mum pregnant with you that morning? If so then I'm afraid Reginald has no use for you

I'm afraid there's just nothing special about you. You can join forces with Harold.

They do. Just if you take a different point of view. I don't think Patch had anything to do with the story they were telling. I think that was about how he see's his "family" and his "father" being translated through his extrafamilial relationships as also being cold, detached, passionless and alone. That's his comfort zone because it's all he knows. So, simply remove every other entity in his "personal story times" with him. It's all he's ever had. Not that he's selfish or a narcissist. There's many different ways of being "self centered". I thought it was all brilliant how they told his story, including Patch... Because think about it.. Really... she didn't matter at all. Just what HE thought about "they".

was Patch the police officer that got shot by cha cha?

Jay Allen yes

i am getting severus snape and lily evans vibes and i want to run far, far away * shudders *

ME TOO

I mean, they arent related

A romantic relationship which was infested with lies from the very beginning of it

@@tsrenis I was talking about how well written and acted the character was, and how relatable, I (as a person with chronic depression) find her character to be - the events of the plot are not relevant to what I was saying.

@@LadyDoomsinger Ah okay very epic

Other than five, viktor Is my second favourite character because of this. Growing up as the underdog or the one who always gets left out, I always imagine myself and relive the show as being the character who goes through a similar situation. That’s why I hate it when people try to say he’s the villain because in my eyes his anger and sadness is completely justified- not to mention hes just unlocked an uncontrollable power that had been rumoured and drugged away for years

Honestly same, like someone would have the ruin my vocal cords because I'd make reality my bitch

Ugh I wish I had her powers.

I just go around telling everyone "I heard a rumor your not sexist/racist/homophobic"

Biborka Batki well at least one of us is a good person

@@beetlebub4460 awww thanks

😂😂😂

Such an elite joke, I love it

lol

I also loved the "world's most warranted case of imposter syndrome" comment.

Andrew Johnson so basically your saying that patch doesn’t love him but for fun.But because of Diego’s upbringing, he wasn’t able to distinguish with true love or fake “fun” love

@@Ben-wq7mi You know, that is a good question. I'm not sure that I could say exactly the nature of their relationship was. However, a common pattern with children of emotional abuse is for them to get into toxic relationships, the healthy pattern realizes that it is toxic, breaks up and tries to move on. The abuse victim, having been given no model of healthy loving relationships clings on, not allowing the other partner to effectively let go. I'm not certain if that is what the screenwriters intended, but that is what I saw when I was watching it.

@@andrewjohnson6716 The only meaningful connection we see him make with anyone outside his family, are with women in both season 1 and 2. Maybe that's because of his bond with Grace?

@@deadbeatreader That's a really good point.

Paul Johnson I don’t think Patch loves him, I think she cares but she isn’t in love with the guy. They’re kind of like old friends and Diego really did care about her he just couldn’t really express/show it because he’s like they all say “Emotionally Stunted”

lilbitchanair parow “to me”......

Mermaid Monkey also that grace is in fact not dancing was a great way of displaying her place in the umbrella academy and I just felt like it had a big impact on how the viewer sees her

So true, and I also think it's strange that he wouldn't include Five? Like he seemed to vibe with Five in S2

What. I had hopes that Reginald wasnt such a prick. Dangit

the problem is that in this case Five likely is still to smart, because despite everything Reggie doesn’t see them as people. As really anything but tools that he can use to get what he needs, and given that the Academy has proven being able to have stopped the apocalypse twice I think Reggie is smart enough to know he can’t manipulate and use Five in the same way (given on the version he meets). Liking Five is understandable, but he knows there is probably more issues than what’s possible. Also given how the Sparrow issues works I don’t think he’d be able to necessarily adopt Five therefore never able to manipulate him into the perfect tool for him regardless so current Five servers little use so it’s hard to know what would have happened it that paradox timeline never took place. His comment I think was made to hurt and break the original academy as he’s well aware the power Reggie hold over all of them across every timeline, regardless of what the family thinks. Also the whole Ben stuff makes a lot more sense given the fact that this Reggie & Harlan only was able to spare Ben because he was dead and neither could form that connection, however, Reggie knowing what he does of Ben from passing convos season 2 likely could be what caused the mistreatment and pushing of Sparrow Ben to being the way he was which really is the icing on the cake of knowing Reggie is the worst in every timeline.

to be fair he did kinda(???)meet ben when klaus got possesed by him! what i dont understand is why didnt harland accidentally kill his mom either?

@@user-og9mt1hn6t I’m not sure Klaus having a basically a stroke hearing “I’m Ben” is enough for him to recall Ben, even more as all of the siblings play it off as a joke (only knowing Ben could actually possess Klaus in later eps) & we know that he didn’t actually get a look at what Ben looked like. Much harder to avoid picking one of 16 children when you don’t know what you’re looking to avoid (although not like he could even adopt the others in that timeline). And I’m pretty sure Harlan never met Ben as Ben died saving Viktor before the main Harlan scenes (with Klaus I don’t remember being an the farm prior to the last events), giving him no reason to sense Ben in the way Harlan established a connection to sense Ben as he could sense the presence of the other mothers.

You mean broken again? Because she was broken on purpose which is the only reason she was acting like she had dementia.

Actually i was just thinking that she was trying to help like in old times.

this hit me in the feels

I saw it a little bit differently. Even after she reminded Diego he still faltered, so she reached out once more to help him even as she was actively dying. It was like her last breath was an effort to care for her son

@@berkleypearl2363 Yepp thats what had me crying when i watched that scene the first time.

He can also breathe underwater, which is why his hero name is The Kraken, but I know they director cut that out of the live action because they wanted to ground it more in reality

KombatKat 117 That’s suspiciously sounds like me...

Director: **Cuts the breathing underwater part of his character ** Diego: *_Hold my Knife-_*

He can control things after he throws them too. He throws a knife at Luther when he thinks Luther is some rando breaking into his room in the boxing place. Before it hits Luther, he curves it away into the wall next to him. I might have just misread or am misremembering the scene

@@FMAxEdwin I think it may be possible he still can breathe underwater, but it's just situational and not really necessary for his arc so it isn't ever brought up. Especially since Diego's comic powers are VERY disconnected from each other

Yes

this KILLED me

Shredder 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Children are whinny little shits, who wouldn't?

@@ottovonbismarck4497 whoa man what kind of 11 year old were you!

Yeah I didn't see an issue with that

I want to see those two together too!!! I also noticed how close they seemed throughout the show. There was also the scene where he stayed at her house

I second this! I wish that they had shown Five and Vanya interacting more, but they don't really share scenes outside of the first two episodes. This may have been because having Five around may have thwarted Leonard's plans, and his goal was to isolate Vanya further from her family, while manipulating her all the while. Plus, Five was already preoccupied with stopping the apocalypse.

I'd love for them to have more scenes in season 2

i thought i was the only one 😞👊

Also when five goes to jump through time in those scenes it often cuts to Vanya looking down and almost saying something then letting it go and looking down. That alone adds so much.

he's also kinda cute

My favorite thing about klaus is he's the only on screen connection to Reginalds abuse, yes by examining his actions and the characters reactions you know it must have been very bad but the only time the true scope is shown is when he locks Klaus in the mausoleum. And it also shows how his own siblings neglect and ignore him when he says he's been tortured, killed at the rave, and trapped in the Vietnam war they don't believe him or care. Even though we are led to believe they are all empathetic people.

It absolutely breaks my heart how he has to live a life like this because he is a good person. The amount of trauma he has gone through is not acknowledged at all and everyone just takes him for the comical junkie. It breaks my fucking heart

All this shit is in Greek! Heck!

@@dr.jackbright963 And Egyptian, plus some other languages that aren't as popular today. At least, you'll have eternity to learn them?

Omg u didnt

Who

If we look at history and book burning, it could be claimed that ghosts are the best educaded. Spezialy political.

I was wondering why there wasn't a 6 but then i realized that Ben's coping mechanism is being dead.

really cool bird oml I actually cackled at this.

Ben: ded

Y'all kinda laughing at Ben not being on here bc he's dead but like.. His 'coping mechanism' was likely suicide or purposely putting himself in dangerous situations Suicide and destructive behaviours are both common responses to abuse and it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case for Ben

This kinda hit me in the feels

^THIS^

i also think it kinda makes sense that his siblings wouldnt react too much, like, their powers arent fully clear to them either, they wouldnt know wether or not Luther growing so much is weird or not since they don't know how their powers came to be/ why they were born in such a strange way etc

dayum right words cannot express how much I loathed S-3 Allison

@@Ornithorhynchus. yeah me too

In the comics its because 5 left before they all got names

it's both

Gerard Way did say that Five embraced his number as a name instead of a rank because to him it doesn't matter.

Yeah because when the kids all go to see Reginald at night Grace calls 'Number Three' Allison, so they must have been named in the TV show before he left. Which is a change from the comics where he left before they were named. I wonder how they'll explain it.

@@263Adder The thing is that, in the comics, Five left when they were younger than ten years old, if I'm not mistaken, so he never got a real name. But in the series, he was already thirteen or something, so they were already named.

Yes, I didn't notice that until the second time I watched the finale. It adds some much needed goofiness to a dramatic confrontation!😆

It was so thoughtful that they did that. It shows they actually are paying attention to what's happening in the show and are aware of tiny details.

Ruby Shepherd I didn’t notice that 😂

My favorite part is that they don't address it at all. A lesser show would have something line: Five: Tthe sky is literally falling and we're here is goddamned clown shoes! Klaus: (nonchalantly) ...bowling shoes... Five: Does it matter!? Luther: They >are< bowling shoes... Five: Jesus Christ, Luther. Allison: Diego: (audibly cry-laughing during a three-minute flashback to a time Patch walked past him wearing a new pair of shoes while he was being booked)

@@CollinGerberding ugh no this is painfully correct

It's not that creepy considering that's how they coped They had no friends, just family.

They weren't raised as siblings. They were raised as co-workers. They didn't have a family dynamic

​ @Juliet RIght, but the thing that makes incest appalling isn't the word "family." It's about power dynamics. It's ESPECIALLY fucked up in this context, because not only were they raised as siblings, and yes, they absolutely grew up as siblings. That's not a thing that an adult chooses to do or not to do. Children growing up bonded by some structure IS family. a unit being a family isn't defined by how wholesome, or healthy their upbringing was. That's sort of the entire thesis of this show. Like what? Everything about this narrative serves to reinforce the validity of their responsibility to one another as family, and the consequences of power, and its abuse. Every single relationship in this show is framed in that context. So to refuse to consistently apply that thesis to this specific relationship, can only ever be approval of the relationship, or a failure to understand the relationship. And a failure to understand the relationship begets the capacity to approve of, or positively frame a deeply insidious dynamic. You CANNOT frame their interactions as positive in good faith. Because it's just not true. The relationship THEY defined, IS fucked up. And you can absolutely still have that romance in the show, in fact it's such a powerful and nuanced topic to orbit, that my MAIN problem with it, is that it SHOULD be explored SO much more than it was. What an interesting and unique way to explore the topic of the ramifications of unbalanced power dynamics, the culpability of those in power, and the tension between the responsibility that power bestows, against the innate human pursuit of happiness, pleasure, and fulfillment. God, it's RIGHT there, the entire theme of the show inverted and played against the father. It's SO full of insight, and depth, growth, and reflection, that not exploring it can ONLY be justified by not understanding it. The writing of this show REALLY lacks subtlety. Don't get me wrong, it's often quite good writing! It's fun, sometimes heavy, usually three dimensional, but one thing it NEVER is, is subtle with its thesis. So not using this relationship to strengthen the delivery of that thesis, means they just didn't understand it. It's a problem that they failed to clearly denounce the relationship. The fact that you and I disagree about how the story feels about it, is a problem. We don't disagree on the interpretation, we disagree on if they even meant to say ANYTHING about incest.

@@elijahwest8456 By that definition children growing up as neighbours with very close freinds are also considered family and therefor shouldn't date. Imho it's always circumstantial. it's okay if it feels icky to you, but there's really nothing wrong with it if there's no actual biological relationship, because the genetic damages it has on children is the only thing actually wrong with incest.

I mean, yeah. You're completely right. It's a hugely variable and nuanced situation, and there aren't sweeping rules that cover every case. I just think that the relationship as presented on screen falls pretty cleanly into the "kind of a problem" part of the spectrum. @@nalcarya

Hmm I think it can work as well if he did end himself (this sound so bad), then you have the next narrative, live your life to the full extent, don't do what I foolishly did even if life is hard sometimes. It gives a nice message to the viewer and a great character development to Ben as he even if he is dead he regrets doing it and he is trying to lead Klaus to living a better life.

I always got the vibe that along with all of the abuse and the emotional trauma of having dead people talk to you, klaus was jealous of ben. He was abusing drugs and had a general distaste for the normal (like lydia Deetz from beetlejuice) I think it makes a lot of sense canonically that klaus is suicidal/depressed

I think he accidentally killed himself using his powers.

I think any of your siblings dying at an early age counts as tragic

I’ve always thought Ben killed himself, because as a child he always seemed to be the one who actively hated the powers he had, and really didn’t want them. He shows regret more that remourse over his death when he’s talking to klaus about it. Also the plaque on his statue says something like ‘the darkness inside him won’ which sounds like a poetic way to say he killed himself because he hated the powers he had. Idk I could be looking to far into it tho

The thing is she forgot about it when she stalked about his powers.

I think she's only talking about the powers confirmed in the show, we don't know if he can still hold his breath for a long time in the shows portrayal.

Widget fair enough

Kyle Dunne she didn’t forget she said they’re not confirmed in the show version

@@fanofstuff1607 has l0909p

They were the cutest! I want a spin-off about those two and their life together. It would be the most wholesome thing

263Adder spoilers All 20 years

I was *convinced* they were going to kill her before they got to be together. I'm glad they subverted that one.

I want to like this comment, but it has 666 likes, and I don't want to ruin it.

Didn’t know there are a lot of people who find this relationship so endearing. To me personally it’s weird cause of the big age difference. But I understand it better now that’s explained here cause they’ve both experienced things, just differently. Still kinda weird tho.

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I believe the world ended in a different way in the first universe that Five was in during the apocalypse. In that timeline, Vanya didn’t destroy the world from the theater and Harold/Leonard had gotten a fake eye that had been pulled out by Luther.

I think he did, because in the last chapter when he gets to the academy he says "The Moon's is still shining the Earth is in one piece" so like i guess this was almost the same ending, and if not something similar (??)

Yes, it ended in a different way. That's why he found the bodies and the fake eye. They all die fighting in a universe where he never came back, everything change at the moment he did.

Huh I thought it was because of the dust in the air...but the other comments seem more likely

I agree, while most of the siblings at least get SOME moments together, Klaus and Vanya are the only ones who never speak to each other, even when they're sitting right next to each other. The only hint of a relationship we get between the two is when Klaus objects to Vanya being locked up, but then again, so did everyone else. Hopefully, Season 2 will have more interactions between the pair!😀

I don’t get why they even turned out the way they did. Klaus was locked in a dark room for hours forced to hear the screams of the dead. So to make the voices stop he is constantly getting high. Vanya was lied to, disrespected, casted out, and ignored for most of her life. How are either of them functioning people.

@@MykeThaOrphan0209 The point is that they aren't functioning. Claus spent like, a decade or more perpetually high so he wouldn't hear the dead, and when Vanya discovered how much she was lied to, she lashed out with extreme violence

@@azurehorizonvoid claus lmao

Klaus didn't like when Vanya had been locked up- he tried to make Luther understand by commenting how scared and terrifying it must be for her powers to just come back. They probably weren't close with eachother because of how similiar they must have been.

Jerek Headrick I would love if there was a plot twist in season 2 revealing she said it to Luther.

I've heard of an interpretation that Allison rumoured Luther into loving her as kids. Growing up in a house with an abusive parent, they all formed units or friendships: Diego and Grace, Klaus and Ben, Five and Vanya, and Luther and Allison. It's quite possible that Allison, seeing the close bond between her and Luther, mistook a deep admiration for something stronger, and after she cast her powers, forgot that she had ever rumoured Luther in the first place. I'd like to see Season 2 address this concept, and see how they resolve it.

yeah like she said it to him a while ago and but he assumed she would never use her powers in that way. Then when he saw her use it in the same way on their daughter, he realised what she had done and that's why he was so mad.

Love is something you can fall in and out of, I could see her making her husband love her as she is, and then enough time passes, enough things about her change, he makes enough realizations, falls out of love, and would have to do charmed again to be in love with the modern her.

I was under the impression that Allison's power wasn't necessarily permanent. Vanya does eventually remember when she's triggered to. If someone is rumoured into loving her after not being in or falling out love, it's plausible to think that the fake love might wear off like a love potion who's effects only last until it's out of their system, or broken in the same way that all their fighting would remind them why they weren't in love in the first place. Her kid wasn't sleepy forever, just for that night. I don't know if they give it more depth in the books, but it could be something along the lines of the more plausible it is the less likely someone is able to break out of the spell or something to do with the person she manipulates.

Me to

I too follow our dear leader Jim Pickens

Is anyone gunna realize this person is onto something here??

@@alias201 I as well follow Jim Pickens: Our Dear Leader

Is it not her life, or health that Vanya takes away instead? Even so, it was accidental in Vanya's case.

@@allisoncarter7421 seeing as Allison’s powers relies on her voice and she is unable to talk for a year her powers are taken away and Allison wasn’t at fault when she originally took Vanyas powers away since she was like 4

Oh I thought he could manipulate metal at a small scale but that DOES make a lot more sense

Oh, that's what it was!?

Yes, I came to the comments to write the same. I'm pretty sure they say it in the show.

It wasn’t clear. But we live in a world filled with super powered characters and I thought it was clear that he had supernatural control of things he throws. Not “of metal” or “of knives” or whatever.

I thought it was that he can hold his breath for an indefinite amount of time???

I mean, i feel like they did that withc the scenes involving her rumoring claire to make her sleep as well as when she was remembering all the things she did like rumoring people into falling in love with her and rumoring people into giving her roles. Like it they don't outright state it but everything in Allison's life was fake, her career and her love life and eventually it came back to bite her in the form of her losing custody of her kid.

He's the obsessive one.

@Jamie it has been theorized that they could develop his ability here to be that of manipulating air

Jamie no he can literally change the direction of objects midair

Plus he technically helped her rediscover her powers, with ulterior motives, but still...I see why she was happy being with him up until she found out the truth.

@Ultimate Untalented Which in and of itself was special, cus leopards are pretty vicious.

@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 mhm because he actually in a way or what she thought He had given her a lot of attention and showed that he actually cared and that she was human and had emotions unlike her family excluding five cuz they were close. For the first time in her life she actually feels at someone genuinely cares for her and loves her and thinks that she is special with or without powers. Only to find out but he was just using her which made her go over the edge since she was already on the edge.

spoilers! i always thought he was creepy and when vanya finally found out the truth and killed him i was like "wow, good riddance". what an asshole. vanya deserves so much better

@@drankydrank1 😩🤣🤣

Kaneesha Goyal fuckin same

Pretty much exploded my ovaries, grew new ones and blew up again so I feel.

and those shoes... so sexy

I KNOOOOWWWW

The white contacts hit DIFFERENTLY

Those are very good points but just for an adverse perspective; even if 5 never came back to the "past" before the apocalypse we see Vanya about to uncover the fact that the person who supposedly loved her only found her because she had abilities. He found her to use her/manipulate her and not because he loved her. From the characters perspective Vanya would have lost it either way because hey her abilities are tied in with her emotion which is then amplified by sound. She has no coping mechanism thus she would have most likely killed him in that time frame, or heavily harmed him... at least thats what I believe, however it does not go with the original timeline on what would happen if 5 never intervened. Would Vanya have had a fight, gone back to the acadamy, a fight insue that leaves everything damaged/broken? Would the siblings have fought the evil boyfriend and removed his eye anyways leading to the same end of the world but in a different manner? Would Vanya have accepted the only person to have showed any care in the world for her or would she have shut him out? They are all complex questions because she wanted to be seen and heard not ignored/ told that she was not special repeatedly. View wise Vanya was the most ostricized in the family. We can see this by the small moments the characters were able to share while Vanya was always the outsider looking in. What was really infuriating is how number 1 put his sister back in that isolation cage instead of help her. They at least gained some control where as Vanya was always numbed to emotion by medication that she was forced to take to sedate her. That last layer is if one never felt true emotion because they were always drugged how would one react with going off their medication so suddenly; to not be able to repress all that hurt/abuse, and how to process that when you never learned how to deal with anything in the first place. Lastly it was explained to me that perhaps she has dissociation or 2 versions of herself because she was abused/isolated sooo young. The second Vanya could be her other self that was created when isolated for that duration the one that was created from horrible abuse at such a young age that finally is "expressing her feelings." sorry for the long explanation I found your thought process interesting and started to think about it from the characters perspective and what ifs :)

Also vanya was still going to destroy the world even if 5 didn't come back. In the original timeline 5 wasn't there, which is why he found their bodies in a different place and why Luther was holding an eyeball when 5 found his dead body. In the current timeline thiers no bodies at all because 5 travelled again and Luther didn't have the glass eye.

FWIW, I understood the final boss fight as Allison shooting the bullet next to Vanya's ear to stun her, not through her head to harm her. IIRC, the shot shows the barrel next to her head, not behind it.

@@joranbooth5529 I'd say that even if Allison shot her, something along the lines of her power would have exploded outward destroying the world. One way or another, Leonard would find a way to maniplulate Vanya or someone else would. Anx Vanya would go off and destroy the world

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Also the way Diego and the family react to the book Viktor wrote seems to stem more from while it has mentions of family secrets, Viktor’s perspectives were extremely biased. He put not only family secrets out there but publicly shared each members trauma and details of their lives for millions to see without their consent nor accurate telling of what it was like for them in the academy. What makes Viktor the black sheep now is less a lack of powers, but a lack of perspective that both sides have as you mentioned. The 6 can’t fathom the neglect and isolation Viktor has, while Viktor seems to forget or doesn’t understand the trainings and missions they went on that seemed to traumatize them. Also I feel this disconnect is one again shown in the video with Patch & Diego because while not flawless it’s not just the renegade and stickler troupe. While it’s a factor we know it’s Diego’s lack of being able to express himself in anyway that made their relationship end, that he’s too quick in action and likely due to inhuman upbringing was taught to live in a way that contradicted their ability to communicate. Diego is that hard shell of the family, and this suppression while telling Patch to rush into the hotel is what got her killed it’s easy to see how they were opposite ends even if never said. Patch being a good person, being forgiving I don’t think was necessarily her trusting the criminals would change but that Diego himself could change which to an extent was placed in the show. That as Five points out revenge isn’t going to solve his trauma and issues, nor will it bring her back so letting of Cha-Cha was letting go to the completely rash way he used to act in the hopes of becoming better himself- not that the antagonist would suddenly be different. Also I’m pretty sure the fact that Patch knows the relationship is dead and doesn’t love him is done for an actual reason. Again, Patch is well aware she can’t handle dealing with the (lack of) emotional side of Diego & that a relationship with him just can’t work for what she wants. So she did the right thing and stopped it; but it’s Diego who can’t let it go because he still cares while not being able to contextualize his stunted emotions again beyond dirty jokes (pretty much the exact same as we see Klaus in many scenes). We know this isn’t a new relationship ended but an old one that has run it’s time but desperately being held onto by one person.