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Myogenic ("muscular") headaches: How to identify the culprit 

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In my experience, headaches usually originate either from vasculogenic, neurogenic or myogenic origins. This video addresses a simple approach to identify the culprit muscle causing your patient's headache. If myogenic, that is.
Many intermittent headache sufferers have myogenic headaches. This is sometimes also referred to as cervicogenic headaches, but it's not a good term, as most vascular origins of headaches (TOS, jugular vein stenosis) also stem from cervical dysfunction. Myogenic headaches are generally (ie. almost always) caused by weak muscles in the neck or around the jaws. To diagnose, apply a steady pressure to the various muscles: masseter, pterygoid, temporalis, trapezius, levator scapula, SCM, suboccipitals, etc. Look for reproduction of headache within 10 seconds. If the pressure reproduces headache, ask: Is this the SAME headache that you're suffering from? If yes, you found the culprit. For masseter and temporalis, stop clenching the jaw. For virtually all the others, strengthen them.

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@mikebarlow3615
@mikebarlow3615 3 года назад
This is the most accurate overview and explanation of these types of headaches and resonate with me so much. I have experienced these headaches for years and have never understood why i experience them or how to fix them.Thanks for posting.
@memati7199
@memati7199 2 года назад
I hope you are doing fine now … i have been a pain killer addict for the past 18 years due to such headaches 😫
@tonywalsh617
@tonywalsh617 3 года назад
Billiant thank you
@Cody27
@Cody27 3 года назад
Super helpful. Jaw clenching can get things in a really bad way. Could you link the related TMD video in the description? Thanks for the info!
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Search my channel
@beastnaruto1860
@beastnaruto1860 3 года назад
nice info man
@xpost92
@xpost92 3 года назад
Love the Star Wars muscle rollout. Very cinematic. I’m curious about the cause of these things. What would high levels of anxiety, for years, do the the LS muscle? Hiking shoulders like that chronically, would that weaken the LS? Thanks
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 2 года назад
keeping your shoulders down is what causes the weakness.
@monicadimitrova2396
@monicadimitrova2396 3 года назад
Thank you for your work and sharing it. Do you do video consultations?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Yes
@ryujin2999
@ryujin2999 3 года назад
Hey kjetil. I have developed dysphasia but feeling it more on my right side. During a misguided ab workout I injured the right side of my neck. Including the scm. Can scm weakness cause dysphagia?
@HN-Anonymous
@HN-Anonymous 3 года назад
Do you have any solution for flat feet? Great vids as always
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
It's a hip problem. Poor strength and function of the of ERs. It's difficult to fix, but you can try.
@RBimas37
@RBimas37 2 года назад
Does "cracking" the neck relevant to the pain at all? Once I started cracking my neck a few years back I feel less and less headaches overall...
@alainbrunner6658
@alainbrunner6658 3 года назад
What can be the cause for tension/pain in the frontalis or forehead area (above the eyes)? Thanks and keep up the great work
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Usually jaw but not always. Do the workup as I showed and find out for yourself
@juanplazas4593
@juanplazas4593 3 года назад
I get the same pain and also pressure behind my eyes. And as Kjetil puts it so well in the video, whenever I put pressure in my suboccipital muscles, they reproduce the same pain pattern. So i would guess, in my case, I should sthrengthen my suboccipital muscles
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
@@juanplazas4593 Good lad
@jlovelysoul
@jlovelysoul 2 года назад
Patient screams, that’s about right 😂
@rogerpacheco3600
@rogerpacheco3600 Год назад
Will prolotherpy help ?
@walterminhoca4593
@walterminhoca4593 3 года назад
Kjetill is it true that we need to keep the neck alongated fully straight and the ears aligned with the eyebrows?? for my ears to align i need to tuck my chin alot. or fixing the pelvis and the back already put the neck in the proper position??
@memati7199
@memati7199 2 года назад
How can anyone align ears with eyebrows ? You mean the superior tip of the ears , sorry i am confused
@RGR465
@RGR465 3 года назад
Do you think Trigger points on the neck muscles can cause headache ? And does strengthening the muscle could eliminate TP's?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
This question is answered in the video
@philpontikos6938
@philpontikos6938 3 года назад
I would also say tendons can cause them as well for example temporal tendinitis
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
The muscle and tendon are conjoined through the myotendinous junction. One affects the other.
@philpontikos6938
@philpontikos6938 3 года назад
@@MSKNeurology agreed. But sometimes depending on who evaluates you, they may say the tendon is to blame versus the muscle causing inflammation of the tendon.
@emilianolopez4289
@emilianolopez4289 2 года назад
Hi, great video. I am suffering form tmj headache for a year non stop. I hear crackling, crepitus sound in the tmj plus feel inward oppresion on both temporalis muscles and also tighness and numbness in the are. Masseters feel tired but not as tight as the temporalis. I have been massaging all the muslces you named, but the crepitus sound (articular tinnitus) did not lessen or disappear. I hear a crepitus sound every 2 seconds all day long non stop, with every micro-movement of my jaw it activates the crepitus sound. It is so annoying and painful that is destroying my enjoyment for life. I went to a physician expert in pain treatment and he told me that my masseters were too tight. Took a session with a chiroprator, but I got no relief from it. I maage my muscles o my own and I got some relief but too little, the crepitus doesnt go away. Docotor told me I had no osteoarthritis in the jaw joint, but still the crepitus persists amd I am going crazy out of pain, tinnitus and associated anxiety. What can I do to eliminate crepitus sound (articular sound) in the jaw joint?
@yes4989
@yes4989 Год назад
Just book a session with him
@BT-ry8po
@BT-ry8po Год назад
do you have any videos on how to strengthen the muscles?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology Год назад
Search my channel?
@karfasa_
@karfasa_ 6 месяцев назад
What if you have trigger points in more than one muscle? Mine are all right-sided and my PT has been able to reproduce my headache symptoms with dry needling my upper trap and my right suboccipitals. Are both muscles weak?
@jeanine219
@jeanine219 3 года назад
Hello Kjetil. I just found your MSK Neurology site, and am so glad I did. I was wondering if you could refer me to any of your videos that would address weak swallowing muscles. What exercises would be most helpful with this. Thank you.
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
Dysphagia is usually secondary to some neurological problem, for example thoracic outlet syndrome or jugular outlet syndrome (presuming your conventional neuro workup is normal)
@jeanine219
@jeanine219 3 года назад
@@MSKNeurology Thank you Kjetil.
@ryujin2999
@ryujin2999 3 года назад
@@jeanine219 hey did u find any exercises that worked for u?
@jeanine219
@jeanine219 3 года назад
@@ryujin2999 I am trying to improve tongue position and strength by the following technique. I think I have been swallowing wrong, and the functional swallowing muscles have gotten weak. If you do "mewing" exercises, and proper swallowing while lying down... you can feel the back of the tongue getting stronger. Here is a you tube video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xHfVj9rbhM0.html
@ryujin2999
@ryujin2999 3 года назад
@@jeanine219 have u been able to target what muscles they are?
@Truth_Seeker86
@Truth_Seeker86 2 года назад
I get relief when I push on my suboccipitals and other muscles as opposed to an increase in pain.
@bennysays007
@bennysays007 Год назад
Is there a doctor in the Miami, Florida area that works like you?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology Год назад
The question should be "in the world" and the answer is no
@OurAshX
@OurAshX Год назад
Hi there! Does it make sense that some days I can trigger the pain by squeezing trigger point and next day it’s gone? Even right after the headache. I am talking about sub occipitals, fucking hate them
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology Год назад
Maybe, maybe not. Could be vascular. Try training them and see if it gets better, that's the only way you'll know when the body gives mixed signals as here
@rubsydos
@rubsydos 3 года назад
please what is the solution of this problem.i am suffering from this..
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
I explain that in the video
@davidcayjohnston4165
@davidcayjohnston4165 2 года назад
should te masseter be strengthened?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 2 года назад
This will happen automatically by chewing. But, no. It is more important to avoid puling the jaw backwards with the temporalis muscle when chewing.
@davidcayjohnston4165
@davidcayjohnston4165 2 года назад
@@MSKNeurology Thank you. I have been having pain around and above the eye area. When I press in my right masseter it seems to reproduce some of this.
@davidcayjohnston4165
@davidcayjohnston4165 2 года назад
@@MSKNeurology So is not pulling the jaw forward during chewing enough? Can i massage or stretch the masseter ?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 2 года назад
@@davidcayjohnston4165 No, that's not at all what I said. Read my TMD article.
@Brazilra
@Brazilra Год назад
Why the scm get weak? Forhead posture?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology Год назад
Head neck injuries, anxiety / tense body, bad posture
@Suki0428
@Suki0428 Год назад
I believe this is my problem. For over 2 years, I overstretched my neck arched forward to one side while lying down in bed turning on one side. SCM strengthen seems to helping with some of the symptoms.
@HonkyTonkManYeah
@HonkyTonkManYeah 3 года назад
How Old are you?
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
33
@jackprot351
@jackprot351 3 года назад
These bots need to get out of your comments
@MSKNeurology
@MSKNeurology 3 года назад
I always report them when I see them. Thanks
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