Mythic Champion Guesses Power Level of Yugioh Cards! 

That would have been sooooo good! - Adam

Dark Honest. Dishonest Dark ruler Ha Des Hades

@@joulesabagel9417 I give Ha Des a bit of a pass since it's a pun. Same with how Shi En is a good name for the pun and the riff on the previous cards.

@@Amphidsf shi en is literally hie name in ocg A kanji wordplay of purple flame and death flame.

It’s because there’s a series of monsters known as Dark Counterparts that all have Dark in their name.

you can also use it to dodge targeting effects as well, such as if they imperm your normal summon or something you can use it to pitch of your normal summon as cost so it resolves while negating a boss monster.

I think he purposely tried to avoid mentioning that cause it'd require another lengthy explanation.

​@@MrMarnel yeah I can see that.

@@MrMarnel I can appreciate that. Yugioh card text is long enough as it is and what I said isn’t even on the card, it’s just something you need to know as the rules of the game!

@@bornfromfire9379 Love dodging target effects!

A game with no resource management is hard for magic players to think around as we are conditioned to such things. It's why yugioh players are bad spikes for a while as they dont understand proper cost management and tempo of a game

Losing before you get to play? That sure sounds like a fun game... NOT

​@@SadAngelCryingsounds like skill issue

@@sooba9627 It literally sounds like the exact opposite of a skill issue.

@@Cybertech134 well you'd be wrong

Love this would love to see Adam try legacy

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Yeah I was wondering why you couldn't if the card didn't say you couldn't

Honest also allows you to clear the whole board when used with multi attacking monsters and go for otk (like ashura priest in the past). Dark Honest is bad on so many levels.

@@kindlingking I still remember the old days of ygo where you'd go Battle, attack your guy and the opponent goes "Dmg step?" and your heart stops

@@skuamato7886 Damage step PTSD for Limiter Removal and Kalut as well from back in the day 💀

I think the reason for that is that Adam oesn't know MTG very well and therefor didn't know that targeting in mtg works exactly the same as in YGO: If the card doesn't specifically have "target" in its text then it doesn't target. If he knew that he would have probably explained it because it would have taken like 5 seconds

And not numbering the effects like the Japanese cards do also doesn't help in making it readable.

@@Chestyfriend i still don't get why Konami in TCG-land doesn't do this

@@Chestyfriend Hold up, they do that in Japan? So Konami USA actively *chooses* to make the templating worse? That's annoying.

I am primarily a magic player and I can agree. A challenge that Magic presents is that you have to learn all of these keywords and what they mean, and every edition has new stuff to learn, so yeah, lots of learning going on, it is difficult, *but!* when you do know these keywords and you play the game often enough to remember them, it's super easy to understand what a card does, because it pulls from knowledge that you already have, at most they maybe introduce some different condition to it to create some kind of plot twist to that effect, but it's easy to grasp. This is helped by the fact that many of the new keywords and abilities play around with those familiar ideas that you already learned. So it's two different approaches to the problem, with Magic you have to learn all of these things, but once you do, it's the same across the entire game and you can tell what a card does just from reading a couple keywords in it, with Yugioh they explain it to you every time, so it is a bit more beginner friendly, but it's always wordy and sometimes it's inconsistent.

@@NiiRubra At the same time, though, everything being this massive wall of text is itself a turn off to beginners.

Aleister the Invoker is *technically* a battle trick. - Adam

Storming MIrror force is probably the only one that reliably does anything in the current meta.

@@weckar Nooone has played any mirror force cards competitively for the last 5+ years

Banish all 3 aleister feelsgoodman

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it sucks so bad when the opposite happens, particularly with artwork. I haaaate that uni-zombie is practically a must have in a zombie deck when a big part of the appeal of zombies is the gritty aesthetic, and there can only be one is annoying to look at too.

​@@codyhanson1344 "There Can Be Only One" sounds like it has artwork from the movie Highlander. But no, it's a bunch of monsters going through TSA. Meanwhile, "The Most Distant, Deepest Depths" is such a cool name with amazing art.

I think something that both games have in common at this point is that a card being in the graveyard is not really a problem at all, it is a minor inconvenience at most, there are so many things both in Magic and Yugioh that interact with the graveyard. So it's the type of thing that translates well both ways, every guest who has been invited for these videos understands that sending something to the graveyard is even a desirable outcome in most cases.

Nadir Servant isn't a fair one because without the context of "you have stuff in your extra deck that wants to go to the graveyard" the card seems very average.

*Kashtira mirror. And I think stuff like that is unfair as this is not even a "trick card" it's just a very very specific card that happens to be good in exactly this one case. Stuff like crackdown is a way better bait imo. Or old firewall dragon. That card, alongside a few others, has caused me to always be VERY careful when an effect is not once per turn

mushroom man 2 is a shit card but you can give it to your opponent and thats why its getting played because in this specific deck it is even more worse to have it on the board.

What yugioh formats there are besides OCG and TCG?

@@colgatelampinen2501 None, really, but we call pretty much every banlist a "new format". It's slightly confusing when you are used to the definition of format as MTG uses it. E.g a new banlist went into effect earlier this month, so in Yugioh terms we are now in "December 2022 Format". The formats are named either by the time the banlist drops (dec 22 in this case) or by the deck(s) that is/are most memorable in said format. So e.g. the current format could be called Ishizu Tear format as that is the current dominant deck.

@@skuamato7886 Thanks, that helps understanding ygo players. What is yugioh term corresponding mtg's format?

I was surprised to see him value the dark honest the way he did. -X/-0 effects usually only appear on blue cards that are rarely even good in limited for the most part, and that is most comparable effect i think.

​@@zaifir8119 It is basicly 0 mana Neck snap with upside that would be amazing limited card in magic.

Tears mirror matches are an exception to this statement, with A LOT of skill intensive back-and-forth. But they immediately crush other decks that can't handle the milling and fusing on your turn. - Adam

@@CardmarketYGO I used tear mirrors as an example but in general in the last year I feel like we've gone very far from infernoble style combo decks that were either: I have 2 ht for your combo or there's no way I can win going second. In fact we've gone so far from winning on turn 0 that hand traps are not the meta anymore, talking about historic cards such as ash, nib, veiler etc. You can say that board breakers are now the go to, like drnm, evenly or Zeus but all of those have 1 big thing in common/ you can't win the game on the same turn you use them. Just to be clear I'm not saying that you don't win in 3 turns anymore, it very much happens especially at locals where the meta is more diverse, but I can really feel the difference in length of games at big events this year.

@@CardmarketYGO I Personally agree with your statement. The player who comes out as the victor in the two-turn game of building boards and board-breaking Comes out of it with so much momentum that its quite easy to end a game in general or at least Lock in a game winning position. Tear is... A deck that is very explosive no matter if they have a single havnis or a full grip as they use the deck as resource rather than a hand and the fact tjat the ishizu cards help the opponents as well in a mirror means that these matches force the game into a sort of staring contest to see who cracks first under the pressure.

@@CardmarketYGO Most game last 4-5 turns unless you are playing all in deck like synchron.

Like the GOAT idea.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't prevent the monster from being tributed, I think he just misremembered what the card did or mixed it up with something else.

And I saw "Abrupt Decay with a free Surgical Extraction". The inclusion of land as a time gated resource in Magic, as well as any format that isn't Legacy or Vintage are both restrictions that just don't exist in YGO, and I am grateful for these things. Being required to play Legacy just sounds terrible. Gimme Modern and/or Pioneer any day. Also, learning that "turn 3" is actually the player on the play on their second turn really frames a lot of these videos and how much I just don't want to play Yu'Gi'Oh. I've been hearing "games last three turns" and thinking that means each player sees at least two, if not three, turns. But nope. It's even faster. Even the most combo centric game in MTG can generally last to the player on the draw seeing a second turn, as long as it's a well balanced deck power level and neither player gets super unlucky on their draws. I will definitely keep watching these as third monitor content, but I will absolutely never play this game. Oh, and someone might think "yeah but MTG has turn zero wins" and I will argue that if you have a turn zero win, it requires a nuts draw on five cards (so two mulligans or less) in a format where your opponent is likely to have a Force of Will or a Mental Misstep to break your nuts draw. And since you probably had to mulligan at least once, you don't have an extra card to Force of Will their Force of Will. That game is going to turn two (MTG turn two), unless someone got very unlucky in their draw.

So the reason it's kinda bad was explained pretty well by mengu actually: 1) your opponent has to have monsters with 1000 or less ATk that you actually care about 2) banishing from deck has to be actually relevant 3) you kinda have to go first 4) you have to be fine with the effect of your opponents monster going of as chain disappearance only removes the card, it doesn't negate Once you can tick all these boxes the card becomes good. And there have been a few formats in the past where this card was played in sideboards as a blowout vs very specific decks

@@skuamato7886 And all of those limits are placed on Abrupt Decay + Surgical Extraction. Abrupt Decay generally won't be playable turn 1. By YGO terms, it's earliest cast will be turn 3, assuming you are on the play, because it's double colored mana. Most decks won't be able to make G+B on turn one. They can get the sources on board, but they'll be tapped out from ramping. It also only hits CMC three or less. Surgical Extraction can be cast for 2 life instead of mana, and almost always is, and it's primary point is to hate a card from the graveyard at instant speed, but it's very close secondary purpose to nix a combo piece from the game entirely. And abilities are disambiguated from their source in MTG, so any ETB or activated abilities will still go off as well. Both of those cards see routine play in many formats. They have both been four-ofs in your 75 at some point. They are both "staples" within their color spheres. They don't see play in Vintage, and Abrupt Decay doesn't see play in Legacy, and Surgical Extraction is a side board at best in Legacy for a silver bullet to some combo decks. Which brings me to my main point: The power creep in YGO is insane, and the game should have other formats besides the equivalent to Legacy. You might see decks other than combo be playable.

If I remember right, crackdown was a really popular card to use in like guru control, but that's all I remember it for.