Gents, because of your channel and the quality of the content, we recently purchased a set of of VIV 19T's. So far so good, we're still adding miles and breaking them in. Wow, there is a MAJOR difference between these and stock. We are also running an e50 blend on MHD and will be doing a full custom tune very soon. We also have an XHP transmission tune (this is a must) to keep up with the new 19T turbo's. Thank you for sharing all the info you do, it has helped us make some important decisions for our 2007 335i.
I just got a pair of viv 19t v3's installed also. Got all the supporting upgrades, will be running on e85 PI hopefully getting up to about 28-30psi. I havent hit the road yet, just waiting on bearings and seals for my LSD to come in beforehand. I'll continue to follow your channel, best of luck with the new snails. I'm personally interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison with the 17t's.
The Classic RB turbos were my first set of upgraded turbos which I bought 9 yrs ago. There were issues with some of these but mine lasted 27,000kms without any before I upgraded to the EVOs. Managed a 11.28s run before removal after which I found plenty of side play in the shaft requiring them to be rebuilt. The main issue with China turbos is the quality especially in the balance of the rotating mass.
I have the VIV 19t's on my 07 e90 335i. They were leaking at the compressor housing o-ring after only a couple thousand miles. I got the Turbo Labs kit and went through them upgrading all the parts included. The kit has a new o-ring that sealed up the leak and the bearings included were quite a bit more robust with larger contact surface area. There's also an additional oil port with the Turbo Lab's kit. I don't forsee having any problems with them for the foreseeable future. I've got a port injection controller I need to install, along with a Vargas cast valve cover and external pcv setup/catch cans. Then it'll be tuning and to the dyno. 600whp shouldn't be a problem...
Just bought a 335i wagon with pure stage 2 DDs,meth FBO.Fun car.Just high flowing back turbo outlet at momen,which wasnt done.Good on gas,comfortable ride,practicle,real sleeper.Must be equal to 17 ts I think.Enough power for me.😃
nice work mate! i still regret not going 19t every day but i cant fault the 17ts! theyre pushing 393rwkw here and there :P before i go to a more daily map for driving haha!
I got turbo labs upgraded turbos. ~15T based on what they said on Amazon reviews. They feel great so I suppose I'll just not know what I'm missing going bigger. Lol. I've put 2k miles on them and I have a bit more peace of mind over China turbos for what that's worth.
Brilliant video on the differences of the turbos You guys have inspired me to go that extra step I watch all the videos and have just received my TTE500 turbos, bigger inlets , new outlets water meth kit, lightweight flywheel and bigger clutch ( obviously fbo too) Can’t wait to get everything fitted now 🙏🏻
@@z3mjaydoesn’t surprise me I’ve heard good things about em. How many miles and how hard have u pushed them? My cylinder head needs replacing and tryna do all the upgrades I want at the same time really tempted by the TTEs
Great video, thanks! More blades on the turbine wheel makes it more efficient, but does not mean it will spool faster. More blades also mean higher inertia, so it could be possible a turbine wheel with less blades spools up faster. Less blades does indeed result in more flow. Curious to see how much power can be made with the 19T's......
This video was super interesting. Thanks In an ideal world so to speak I would like a part II to this video explaining more of the differences and also compare with other turbos. A video with all of the n54 turbos. But I am already very happy with this vid
Good stuff. Always wanted to see some side by side comparison. Torn between VTT GC and China 17t at the moment, just want something that'll last a long time and so far the China turbos look to be the best.
Yup, what he said. Vargas and DAW are just China Turbos with better quality control and looked over. Actually that applies to most other products in life from shoes to electronics, etc. Its not the China uses inferior quality, its the fact they don't thoroughly check the specifications. So for a DAW maybe 1 in every 20 Turbos will fail, but with one purchased right from China maybe 1 out of every 8 turbos will fail becuase they weren't checked properly.
@@ZeroTo60Tube definitely be interesting! Is everyone booked for Rolls next Saturday? Tune same as before but battling a weird boost leak or something.... very slow to hit target psi got some solenoids on the way so see if that helps.
@Cocko I was, but have been reminded that not all gains are as easy to get as you'd think, especially 0-100kph and 60-120kph times! I'm hoping bigger rubber will be the key 🤞🙂
@@motodigitalvideo too true. Can't just plant your foot when you play with double the HP the chassis was designed for hey. Even the 17t's need pedalling sometimes in 3rd gear. I was thinking of going the 19t's, might see how these go for you first 😉
Man as a n54 owner with horrendous wastegate rattle on my car I really want to go single to totally eliminate the issue, but the 19t will make the power I want with my car easily. Maybe even on pg(550whp), but I'd hate to get stuck with problems again. 😕
Great content as always, would you happen to know what inlet pipes were used on this car? also any follow up videos or info? im trying to decide if I should go 17t of 19ts with my aus rhd e92 335i.
I upgraded my Ford G6Et turbo from the stock 6+6 cast wheel to a 11 blade billet and much prefer the 11 blade billet wheel. Better spool and drivability in my case.
That’s the theory with the 11 blades. I think the China N54 11 blades had so many failures due to improper balancing tolerances. The slightly heavier 11 blade wheel ended being just out of tolerance. The N54 twins have some of the highest rpms turbos on any petrol engine and I guess that’s when lazy balancing will come in to play and I have no doubt the China ones are not being balanced to 220,000rpm.
Biggest problem is the thrust bearing. At higher boost levels, the surface area of the thrust bearing is too small to support the load. That is exactly the issue the guys at turbolab address. A good balancing job never hurts though ;-)
In regards to balancing, with the turbo barra's, the ball bearing turbos spin for around 30 seconds after shut down. With the original cast 6+6 compressor wheel it was a really rough and a rattly spin down. I then changed to the Billet 11 blade compressor wheel with no balance, no nothing except a direct swap. The spin down went quiet and smooth as. I think it says alot about billet vs cast compressor wheels. I got the billet wheel direct from KTS turbo billet in Malaysia and do recommend it as an upgrade for those that like to tinker.PS you do need a proper torque wrench and puller to do this swap properly.
The best RB turbos are the game finisher high flow’s. Best on the market!! That’s the one you should’ve got instead of the DAW Flomax. Sean basically copies everything Rob Beck does!!
Actually waiting for my brand new RB Gamechangers in the next week. Will be curious to get some measurements to compare as well. Good luck with the 19T, they look beastly!
Great info. I have the 11 blade that’s I still haven’t installed. I got the internal upgrade from turbo lab but I didn’t get the wastegate fix because I can’t find anyone locally who’s capable of replacing it.
Can ask that how this turbo are working people are complaining here in usa this 19t v3 are failing with a week or 2 months . Please ask and make a video with him...
Im trying to buy turbos currently i was gonna go Rb but hes currently having a surge he said and its gonna be a while for me to be able to make a order my question is are ViV turbos good for 400whp ? Are they better then stockers when it comes to wastegates and shaftplay? .. Are Vargas stage 1s good for 400whp ? Any reply appreciated. VIV would be perfect if there good for 400 whp
VIV over stock for sure and 400whp is easy. My China’s rolled 600whp. However if you wanna make big power down the track I think flow max are tho go to.
Whats up just have a question , Would the Viv v3 v4 19ts turbos be good and more reliable running the mhd stage 2 + 18psi planning on staying that way for a while . Thanks In advance !
My china 17ts have been good. However 2 close friends have bought from VIV since and not had such a good run. 2 failed sets and one turbo sirening with in 12 months. V4's over V3's but i cant recommend them with any confidence at the moment.
I bought the Same turbos and I installed them in shop professionally, after 800 miles on 17psi they blow up and started to smoke very bad and leak oil , I had MHD 1+ tune and down pipes I did every single maintenance but still they mange to fail as well the seller dose not replay to the emails
Something went wrong on install. These turbos are not that bad. I think it’s bad to run Off the Shelf MHD maps on upgraded turbos btw. They are meant for stock twins.
Great Info. What do you think. For a daily N54 535xi (some basic mods - inlets, downpipes, intercooler, charge pipe, MHD stage 2) what turbos to buy: the VIV 17t or the VIV 19t's V3? Not going to push, just would like to be more reliable :)
For a daily, I would get standard “ stage 2” hybrid turbos, 15T compressor wheel. That’ll give you stock-like spool and a nice power bump. But you’ll need a custom tune, MHD OTS maps won’t work properly.
Personally what ever you can get a better deal on. The lag on the 17t and 19t isn’t really noticeable if you know how to drive a turbo car. So if you ain’t pushing for big numbers just try and save some coin.
@@ZeroTo60Tube You’re really that confident in the VIV? I’ve not ever heard great things about them in terms of reliability. I daily my N54, you really think they’re good enough? May be coming up on a replacement here soon, been getting the lovely random puffs of smoke.
@@dave6933 Honestly, I know some dudes and have a couple buddies that are all running 17T. After personally being in one that had 530whp, thats where I am going next. I am at 414whp 446 wheel torque on stock twins on a custom E60 blend but got wastegate rattle like crazy and found oil in the left tailpipe only(no crossover pipe) of the car. I know 120% my front turbo gonna be done soon.
All china turbos are balanced. The question no one can answer is how well are they balanced. Are they being balanced to 25000rpms or the 200000rpms that they will hit at 28psi. The chinese manufacturers know how to make a turbo, the thing that is iffy with the N54 turbos is they are one of the heights spinning turbos on the market. These will spin a lot faster than a single turbo.
@@n54andrew the viv inlets were not re-inforced and under certain load were collapsing causing a massive restriction in the inlet. In turn working the turbos too hard and it melted.
I don't think a stock HPFP will be able to keep up with those CFMs from those turbos, even with meth, maybe at E30, not E50+. Will need Spool Helix or PI, otherwise HPFP will crash to 1,000 psi and the DME will pull timing to save AFRs. Will be fun!
With meth you don't actually need any e85 at all. I personally run (so do several of my clients) a stage 2 lpfp, 93 fuel, and dual nozzle cp injection, 750 whp no problem (on an auto car) at 28 psi. With that said, 28psi is all she wrote with 750cc meth, i was able to run 31 with 1200cc but it gets rediculously insatiable for meth, so might as well get pi at that point. But for the power level available from the 19Ts,his fuel system has it covered. PI would be needed if he's actually wanting to run e85 anyway, to which i would say why not! The more high octane we have in there the better.
@@igotaction we had to drop to E20 and could only support 25psi on the single 375ml/sec nozzle. The v2 nozzles from Snow have been on backorder for 2.months, but I managed to get some parts on the way to get to 630 on one and 855 across two nozzles in time for rolls on Saturday. 😁🤞
@@thisguyshorty3554 I think its becuase the housings are cast in china. Not sure how much work is done by VTT in the states on each turbo or if they are completely assembled in china
I freaking hate when people say "Stage #” tune. It means absolutely nothing. Stage one can mean literally anything. Down pipes and intercooler or turbos and cam. If you are going to rattle off a list then just do that, don't pretend this is a video game and say Stage whatever tune. Sorry, rant over.
Have you guys taken the 19Ts v3 apart to verify if they actually upgraded the seal, spacer and collar. There’s a new video on YT that shows the 19Ts V2 we’re no different than the V1. This leaves me to question if they actually made any changes to the V3 or if they just threw the “v3” to attract buyers
@@ZeroTo60Tube I don't believe I've seen any v3 failures yet, however they are still fairly new to the scene. Just wanted to bring it to your attention, might not be a bad idea to check. Just search BMW N54 19t rebuild and watch the video by Xreedd, it has some pretty good info.
I am part of a 19T group on Facebook. The only adjusted something with the wastegate. Everything else is same as V2. Correction, apparently they did upgrade some components.
I cant deal with the "Stage" shit. Unless someone makes a unified system of what stages are it means nothing. Its like saying Stage Pineapple. I built my car with a Stage Pineapple Fuel pump. Just say 350LPH or something.. No wonder the JDM guys think that euro guys are just carpark queens :P