Is THIS the new 2JZ? A deep dive into BMW's S58

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Is THIS the new 2JZ? A deep dive into BMW's S58: After 2 years of beating up our 1000bhp S58 engines, we took them to the experts of BMW M drivetrain development to disassemble and take a thorough look inside. Then we did a detailed analysis, and compared our findings of the S58 with the 2JZ - an engine, that's legendary in the world of tuning and motorsports.
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@EvolveAutomotive 7 месяцев назад

We spoke to Kevin last year at Goodwood FOS but it's great to see even more info on the build process and also how the components are standing up to all the abuse. What an amazing opportunity to teardown the engine with BMW M themselves. We took a little different approach for our road going 1000hp+ builds but also keeping many of the standard parts because BMW did such a good job designing the S58.

@markg8703 7 месяцев назад

S58 is king 👑 but respect to the 2J for holding the crown since 94’

@BPF80MCar-vi1pg 7 месяцев назад

Ive never driven one but if its anything like the s55 its fire

@bigjdm5460 7 месяцев назад

U dnt go above a 2jz u can sit beside it. Caus believe me it’s 2jz out there right now that will kill any s58.

@Enthusiastlist 7 месяцев назад

@@bigjdm5460unfortunately, no there’s not. Those Tex2k A80 Supras have as much Toyota in them as the A90 Supra does. Once you start going billet block, new internals, overhauled fuel system, etc it’s no longer the same engine so what it can do from there means nothing besides an arbitrary number. S58s already make way more power on a stock rotating assembly than the 2JZ ever did & the DME isn’t even unlocked yet.

@BPF80MCar-vi1pg 7 месяцев назад

@bigjdm5460 OK. Just you keep your kia

@bigjdm5460 7 месяцев назад

@@BPF80MCar-vi1pg I have a is500 and forged 2jz build currently………nice try

@jondahl9826 7 месяцев назад

It is a testament to modern engineering, manufacturing, and technology that one can boost a factory engine to over 1000hp. Great video

@2seep 4 месяца назад

It’s literally just forged pistons and crankshaft, but these are the weakest forged pistons to exist if they only handle 860whp

@apexholland7427 7 месяцев назад

Thank you for this video, this is very useful to see the engineering put into the S58 and it shows how highly capable this engine is.

@bavarianredline 6 месяцев назад

While you can't really match a 2J platform's simplicity with modern emissions standards, BMW is absolutely the closest you can get. I've been preaching that since the N54, all the way to the exceptional S58!! Thanks for the video!

@annoymouse890 5 месяцев назад

The bmw inline 6s are no where close to simple 💀

@hkv 4 месяца назад

@@annoymouse890 they didnt tay that the BMW inline 6 was simple. he said the 2J platforms were simple.

@diangelo6686 3 месяца назад

@@annoymouse890the b58 isn’t anything crazy idk about the s58 I don’t have one

@annoymouse890 3 месяца назад

valvetronic isn’t simple nor are any of the electronics

@calebleuciuc670 6 месяцев назад

My big take away is with a good warm up and proper maintenance, these things are very reliable

@chikmnunget 6 месяцев назад

Modern engines don’t really need to “warm up” to an extent, if it’s like negative degrees out yeah you should probably warm up any car.

@GMRmode- 6 месяцев назад

@@chikmnunget yes and no, you can drive any engine straight away, but you should try and put the least amount of stress on the internals as possible by easing the car along and always waiting until the car has has reached operating temp to get any sort of power out of it

@NVMotorsportUK 7 месяцев назад

Love the depth of info in this episode! 🙏🏽

@supersaiyan8732 7 месяцев назад

That’s why we have 2 S58s. M3 and x3m. Loving this platform

@absolutepressur 6 месяцев назад

Absolutely excellent video, I really appreciate the transparency! Did the combustion chambers ever get cleaned? Were there any cracks?

@brandonchism6960 7 месяцев назад

This is great info!!! Thanks so much for the deep dive.

@TheVideoBin 7 месяцев назад

One thing is for sure, you guys have one hell of a good tuner.

@weduhpeople8504 2 месяца назад

A great knowledgeable tuner is the key and the Motec ecu that can control every aspect. Because once there is knock it can destroy any engine.

@vigilance6806 5 месяцев назад

Very cool video. Thanks for sharing your findings

@pusb_87english63 6 месяцев назад

Have the s58 in my x4 M comp and it’s not missed a beat in 80,000 miles, what an engine.

@demotroniczz6943 3 месяца назад

Bro I can’t find those anywhere how many miles did you get it at? What year? How much did you get it for? I found 2 2020’s for 45k and 47k

@pusb_87english63 3 месяца назад

What can’t you find ? The car ?

@madrx2 2 месяца назад

I'm about to pull the trigger on an x3m comp. So I won't regret it?

@demotroniczz6943 2 месяца назад

@@madrx2 biggest complaints people have are the S58 has no low end torque, the B58 is much better for daily driving in that aspect. Comps are known to be uncomfortable to ride in due to how stiff the suspension is. I’ve had the pleasure of driving an X3 M40i and it RIPS. Plus very easy to make more hp with. I would recommend a M40i over a comp unless you live in perfect conditions and have a different daily.

@pusb_87english63 2 месяца назад

Test drive, then test drive again, as it’s been said the B58 is a better cruiser in the X3M40I, actually better on motorways as well as it stays in gear, but ……… We don’t buy M cars to cruise about, the S58 wants to be revved and comes alive over 4k I’ve driven to southern Italy and northern Norway in the middle of winter, this car is capable and I prefer it to softer set ups. I’ve rung its neck round the Nurburgring and it preformed unbelievably, brakes, engine, suspension the lot. If your looking for a fast SUV that preforms Pull the trigger and don’t look back, if your looking for a cruiser that glides over bumps and rolls round corners, get an X5 Diesel. Enjoy 🤝🏻

@AndrewShingange 7 месяцев назад

WONDERFUL wonderful video, great editing, great narrating as well. 10/10... The cameraman ability to focus on the parts in view and stand hold the camera without the frame wandering around needs much work unfortunately but again: thank you for a brilliant video 🔥🙏🏾

@thorstenriker8493 7 месяцев назад

Just fall in love with this Engine, and i love that Sound on high RPM

@chefkoch6783 7 месяцев назад

Wirklich gut erklärt, auch für Laien leicht verständlich... Weiter so ...

@josephkelly4893 7 месяцев назад

Love this engine family, I have the older brother of the motor, the N54, BMW turbo 6 cylinder motors are beautiful

@kevinbrown6129 7 месяцев назад

Very impressive I definitely love the S58

@Engineerboy100 5 месяцев назад

Just killed it with this video! I was looking for head gasket information and came across this and got stuck watching and couldn't stop. Unfortunately I think my head gasket is leaking coolant into the cylinders. Stock engine 30k miles no abuse .... but still we have rusty spark plugs, steam coming out the tail pipes and we are using coolant. Not gonna be fun, she loves her car so I'm gonna have to change the head gasket. I might make a video when I do it.

@yasinpolat703 5 месяцев назад

The best advertisement BMW ever could have 😂😂

@MV.ENVIRONMENT 5 месяцев назад

That was a very educated video!! Thank you!!!!

@kanakaspec 7 месяцев назад

I agree with 98% of the chart minus the section on parts availability. There are hundreds of manufacturers of aftermarket parts support for the 2jz that are readily available. Even talking OEM parts, your local Lexus / Toyota dealer has a majority of parts available for a 2jz with the cross platforms like IS300 / LC300 etc. You can even buy a complete 2jz gte rotating assembly shortblock right at a dealer. The S58 / B58 platform are still ramping up on aftermarket support and it's great to see but I still think the 2JZ section should have been 4-5 stars on parts availability

@carboydorifutoparty3976 6 месяцев назад

I'd say the B58 would have more parts available than the S58 since it's been out longer(since 2015) and is in more cars(almost 22 at best other than the supra)than the S58(maybe 5-6 at best)but I'd say that due time since Bmw plans to keep the B58 around a bit threw the 2030s also,I'd say they'd have parts(other than bmw updating them)more available for the B58 in the future more than the S58 unless bmw puts the S58 in more platforms/cars they have now.

@SupraSav 5 месяцев назад

@carboydorifutoparty3976 true, but the b58 isn't holding together with 1000hp

@ltortur3rl 5 месяцев назад

yea but you dont need anything to make this crazy numbers like he said 1039 hp and 1285 nm of torque on all stock engine just a bigget turbo and port injection so the reallity is youdont even need much

@kanakaspec 5 месяцев назад

@@ltortur3rl you need quite a bit actually

@ltortur3rl 5 месяцев назад

@@kanakaspec you need more to make this numbers on a 2jz so i dont see your point here

@darylmorse 6 месяцев назад

Great video!

@Highlander1432 7 месяцев назад

I'm dreaming of getting an X3M next couple years...this drivetrain is best BMW has had for decades

@BProRemaps 7 месяцев назад

It actually looks really good. What engine oil did you used in this period?

@choyversusgaming5461 7 месяцев назад

Excellent video

@RobHTech 24 дня назад

Great video

@mervynmontague1811 6 месяцев назад

Interesting and informative 🇯🇲

@superior54 6 месяцев назад

They should make port fuel injection kit for the s58. Oem or after market. I don't want to clean the intake valves. Asap. For the x3m competition from 2020.

@swankperfection 7 месяцев назад

What specific Motul oil did you guys run on it?

@theone0070 7 месяцев назад

Yes those Beer-rings. An authentic German ;) Mate love your work..

@RedBullDriftbrothersEnglish 7 месяцев назад

😅 Many thanks!

@richard-mai 5 месяцев назад

Really wanted to see the back of the valves and what the engineers had to say about the added port injection.

@weduhpeople8504 2 месяца назад

I’m sure it helped keep carbon build up to a minimum on an originally a di fuel system which is notorious for carbon to build up in.

@jonb2437 4 месяца назад

Why is that drift guys know a shit ton about cars? Bravo. Great video 👏

@mojenia 7 месяцев назад

will there be a part 2 with the rest of the focused shots ?

@kbc8090 7 месяцев назад

Do you guys run the car to a higher redline than the stock 7200? With your sequential transmission it should be able to go higher since it's the ZF that brought the redline down from the S55. Also is more broad aftermarket MoTec support coming for the S58?

@sekouchill 6 месяцев назад

Raising redline doesn’t always mean more power if the turbos meet peak boost at for example 6800 no reason to spin the motor to 7200. Also the trans wouldn’t stop the car from reving higher

@shaminjahir748 7 месяцев назад

Good in-depth analysis of the s58 engine keep on drifting

@vanglorious585 4 месяца назад

To tune a stock s58 what kit is needed ? Which company has developed a tuning package?

@pnum9618 4 месяца назад

im amazed i have a n55 it has its short comings of course but a great motor and its in 2011 135i and just keeps rippin the technology started with the n54 the s58 is the final chapter what a incredible motor swap it in my e82 135i is what im thinkin thanks for the vid

@roskataqv 4 месяца назад

How is parts availability higher on an engine that came out a few years ago compared to one available and tuned for 30y?

@1972sd 6 месяцев назад

What a fantastic educational and insightful video. Doubly impressive that it's so well done in English. I'd love to know how much power you think you could get out of a B58 😂 👏👏👏

@baoquoc3710 5 месяцев назад

padakis racing made a Mk5 Supra with 1000hp already, which is after changing to stronger bore engine block, stock can go up to 600-700hp I guess

@tommartin221 3 месяца назад

thank you very much for the video!

@OctavChelaru 6 месяцев назад

Have you guys had a chance to compare the weight of the two?

@AZG80M3 6 месяцев назад

What weight oil were you guys running in that S58?

@Thacardoctor 7 месяцев назад

Amazing!

@amroshz1973 5 месяцев назад

Hello what type oil did you guys use

@chrisbradley3224 3 месяца назад

What oil did you use in these engines, I may have missed it?

@rafinryhan4844 21 день назад

Can I get around 700hp with catless down pipe, single midpipe and mhd tuning? Is it safe?

@mwahlert 2 месяца назад

Any chance you can ask those guys at BMWM why BMW chose not to pin or key the timing sprocket to the crank/crank hub on the N54/S55, etc? I and many others would love to know the technical reasoning that has led to so much pain and suffering.

@marioslipsos7756 6 месяцев назад

What oil have you been using?

@o0lunchboxxx0o91 6 месяцев назад

Gawd I would love to put an s58 in my 98 z3 m roadster even if it was just stock it would be insane

@shaban2374 7 месяцев назад

would looove rto see a s58B38 and why not a similar b58 with or as a v10

@weenerbread136 5 месяцев назад

This really shows how insane the 2JZ really is taking its age into consideration🔥

@Crazyalbokid1 5 месяцев назад

Yes but its to old

@tobi3730 6 месяцев назад

How many Kilometers or Working-Hours does the Engine have?

@grocerygrip Месяц назад

From a s14 2JZ owner, of course the S58 is a better motor. We're looking at almost 35 years between the two. IMHO, the S58 BETTER be BETTER with that much time and technology. But the 2JZ is NO doubt WAY ahead of its time, and for BMW to FINALLY come up with 2 inline-6 turbo motors (S5x & B58) to dethrone a legend, says something about the 2JZ

@ZacLowing 7 месяцев назад

At 12:14 there appears to be some galling if you freeze frame it

@sf2372 5 месяцев назад

The life of this engine comes down to one thing, a great tuner. They are an absolute champion.

@weduhpeople8504 2 месяца назад

And a motorsports grade ecu, Motec.

@brianbailey7128 4 месяца назад

Did I miss it? What was the mileage of the car? Two years is meaningless (but maybe I missed it). Thanks for the info on the internals - very interesting!

@lochlanmckenzie8992 7 месяцев назад

What oil viscosity do you guys use? in these engines when running 1000bhp

@optionant5963 7 месяцев назад

0w20 😂

@lochlanmckenzie8992 7 месяцев назад

@@optionant5963 image if they actually used the oil BMW recommends in these cars 🤣

@lochlanmckenzie8992 7 месяцев назад

@@optionant5963 probably service it every 15,000kms as well 😭🤣

@Great_America 2 месяца назад

Hell, the B58 is its own legend being able to hold 750HP 👍🏻

@BrianDIYChannel 4 месяца назад

cooling is the key

@johnnyb3987 6 месяцев назад

I knew when I bought mine that I was making a good choice. I've had it for a year and I still love it the same as when it was new. 1000hp would be nuts.

@YamahaYZFR6RJ05 7 месяцев назад

You should concider to zoom a bit more in and out and shake the camera around a little more. I don´t get motion sick enough from it as is.

@Top_g80comp 7 месяцев назад

The cameraman has no idea how to record 😂….. motion sickness indeed

@siqsteen 7 месяцев назад

can you ask the camera man to keep the shot stable, I'm getting dizzy just watching this video

@chrisginoc 7 месяцев назад

BMW waits until now to have such a magnificent S58 motor when everyone is getting pushed into electric and hybrid. Better late than never

@ReplicantBattyman 7 месяцев назад

BMW has never been better for engines or worse for styling. Turbulent times

@cumhugs 7 месяцев назад

The grille looks fine. If you don't like it, you can buy an aftermarket front end aero kit

@ReplicantBattyman 7 месяцев назад

@@cumhugs Not just the grille. Look at the new M135i, the new M5, new 7 series. They're ugly as sin.

@BMWROYAL 7 месяцев назад

Agreed I still believe engines like the s54 and s65 was some of the best most enjoyable engines made by bmw, just extreamly unreliable

@avgfinnishdude 7 месяцев назад

the long time bmw designer that made F30 / F10 etc look so stylish hasn't been part of the team anymore sadly.. F8X is so hot@@ReplicantBattyman

@SlowlyGoingFast 7 месяцев назад

@@BMWROYALmost bmw “engines” are reliable like the n54. Its just everything around the engine that isn’t reliable

@cfoust100 4 месяца назад

1200 hp with stock internals that come in factory cars is just absolutely insanity to me

@vitalpandya7908 6 месяцев назад

I want that redbull X BMW hoodie

@optionant5963 7 месяцев назад

The exhaust ports are not merged in the cylinder head like the B58. Interesting…

@carboydorifutoparty3976 7 месяцев назад

That's just the 2 port B58 that's like that. The 6 port B58s have the usual traditional heads.

@nickwells20 7 месяцев назад

Is DI more of a risk for engine fires if the piston hits the head? Has this ever been researched?

@Duncan94 3 месяца назад

Most strong, high power straight 6s BMW create are the 'new 2JZ'. People said the N54 was the new 2JZ, then in more recent years that engine has been superseded by the B58, and this video is talking about the S58. You could say the S55 is the new 2JZ.

@800HPM4 5 месяцев назад

Every new 6 cylinder BMW engine that comes out is always called "the new 2jz" lmaooo

@THahaC 7 месяцев назад

Ich glaube auch dass man um 1000PS zu erreichen beim S58 viel günstiger davon kommt als an nem 2J. Aber trd, beides einfach 2 geile 6 Zylinder

@curlsalot91 7 месяцев назад

6:17 so are we just ignoring the fact that there is a sad emoji on that cylinder wall 🧐🧐🧐

@bcvijasiu 9 дней назад

When will they add port injection to both B and S58 so that the carbon buildup is alleviated?

@cosmovg9955 6 месяцев назад

1200 hp on stock insides is unbelievable. Also is this where we are at now? This production quality only gets abt 700subs?

@htownblue11 7 месяцев назад

The 2JZ king is dead. Long live the new king S58. RIP 2JZ, and no disrespect to the former king as it was/is awesome.

@bouazzamajdoubi7974 7 месяцев назад

The new 2jz bmw s58 😮

@accuvet2023 5 месяцев назад

BMW finally learned how to make reliable revolutionary new technology.

@Mrpancake72 7 месяцев назад

What would it take to bring a B58 up to par with the S58?

@Shane-fh4uu 7 месяцев назад

B58 needs fully built internals above 650hp. But you can typically run stock parts w/ high flow downpipe up to 500HP on OTS maps. You might be able to get a bit more with custom tunes depending on the fueling available to you

@carboydorifutoparty3976 6 месяцев назад

@@Shane-fh4uuno u can make over 700whp+ on stock internals easily with the B58. The 650whp range is dangerous on certain/early gen B58s that came with the weaker hpfps. The B58s with the stronger hpfp(newer ones)can take that but people usually go port once they start tapping into the 700whp+ range. There are multiple B58s making 700+whp easily and stock internal 800whp B58s are slowly becoming more common.

@Shane-fh4uu 6 месяцев назад

@@carboydorifutoparty3976 This is news to me. I mean I looked it up it is still pretty much consensus that for safety 600-650 is the highest you should go on stock internals. I also spoke to the tuning experts at Westtuned when I had my B58 gen2 bench unlocked and they had a couple supra builds at 1000HP and they said for sure they would not go above 600 HP for safety without fully built engine. Maybe it can handle 650+ on stock internals but it probably won't last long if you are frequently driving it hard. I plan to keep my car for 100k miles so even with Stage 2 tune I use 91 oct map with 93 oct gas

@xIcarus227 4 месяца назад

@@Shane-fh4uu 650 is on the very safe side for the newer iterations. 750 is more realistic before adding built rods.

@justin3131ify 6 месяцев назад

This fella must not have heard the word BARRA before!

@BPF80MCar-vi1pg 7 месяцев назад

Besides the crankhub thisng .rhe s55 ia an awsome engine its super easy to tune and loves being rung out. My F80 is fast as hell but van be very relaxing at rhe same time

@Dhime 7 месяцев назад

Any thoughts on production quality of German built s58 vs Mexican built s58s?

@PlayafromtheHimalayas 7 месяцев назад

I don't believe the S58 is produced in Mexico, only the B58

@Dhime 7 месяцев назад

@@PlayafromtheHimalayas isn’t the new m2 exclusively made at BMW SPL in Mexico?

@BinaryBlueBull 7 месяцев назад

@@Dhime I could be wrong but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the S58 for the M2 is shipped over from Germany

@Dhime 7 месяцев назад

@@BinaryBlueBull fair enough, I’m just assuming myself..

@jakebaddios577 6 месяцев назад

S58 is built in germany and shipped to mexico

@5372john 2 месяца назад

In my opinion the b58 is better than the 2jz as well. If you want an inline 6 that’ll do 10s in the 1/4 with just a turbo and a fuel pump and some supporting mods it’s easier to do. Proven to hold 1000hp as well. And a 140i can be had for 20k now value for money

@CardsNSleevesTCG 6 месяцев назад

If only we could see where the s58 would be in 20 years!

@kbng02 4 месяца назад

Can't argue with that...

@CR-xv8wm 5 месяцев назад

The N54 version of this motor can make the same power with similar modifications and it came out 15 years ago. Guess they had to put it in a Toyota to get approval from the masses.