Nairo Represents EVERYTHING WRONG with the Smash Community 

Bro glossed over that like a champ jesus christ

glossed over that so hard you'd think thescore esports made it

for decaffeinating bread

holy crap 😳

Did a TSM Regi right there xD

yeah i watched the video

@@uncIej2yeah I commented this before he said that 😅

@@pplord3170 fr? my bad bro

I want to honestly thank you for stating this. The most fucked up part of arguing for someone popular to be held accountable is that people underplay it because the guy arguing for this isn’t that big of a name. It legitimately brings a smile to my face seeing the guy who helped form the competitive scene as we all know it today say this.

Also, what about Samsora? Wasn't he the one who helped shed light on this but he got banned for it? I'm happy at least that a great figure like you is not afraid to comment on these issues to a certain extent.

Glad that you speak in defense of your friend Jason, hopefully things would be handled better in an near future

Woah, I did not expect you coming to this video, Jason. But anyways, you're right as usual, common M2K W. This is something that I'm hearing quite a bit lately in the community, because many people have already cleared their name, and others just made their situations worse. I think that those who are actually clear, should be welcomed back and those who aren't should get kicked out.

Hold on, i didn't know that Salem was banned!! Legit, what for? At most Salem was an idiot who was none the wiser, but ignorance shouldn't be that much of a punishable crime. "Seems like community bias/unfairness" I mean... considering the last i knew of him, he got into a beef with Leffen and "years of research" while Big Leff Ratio him to oblivion? no kidding, is yet another instance of Leffen using his big audience to change a narrative to his favor In the meantime, im glad you acknowladged it this, even if you don't have the same pull you'd have in the prime years, this is big.there are bigger culprits in this cesspool, ones that divert guilt to others.

Looking at Nario’s channel rn, his view counts used to be so much higher. He used to get hundreds of thousands of views, now he struggles to even make 50k. Which is a good thing. That man deserves nothing but jail time.

​@xanander4693 the issue is that he's a free man. RU-vidrs like HyperJumper get banned for less yet predators like Nairo stay

Nickelodeon all star has support from the creators but smash and Multiversus bully NASB

Nowhere ✨

Gen Z parents, being there for their kid at events? What are you, a far right extremist? Parents are supposed to neglect their child, get 9 vaccines, and stop racism and protest!

@@DuncanWilliamsOFFICIAL real af

Zack's a washed-up mentally broken loser who got off on emotionally blackmailing prominent people in his community. The scumbaggery between the two is levels different

How is zack a scumbag here, if he was underage and did shit w ally and nairo they are in the wrong. What else did he do wrong?

@@stanchase1130 he did the same thing with Ally, and tried it with Dabuz also but Dabuz did what both nairo & ally should have done, tell him to fuck off with that bullshit. Zack is just as bad as Nairo & Ally lol he’s a whore and a scumbag.

@@stanchase1130 I think it's more the fact that Zack is just a predatory person.

@@stanchase1130 he used his situation to rig wins for him with Ally

replying to give this a little more visibility

exactly

if only technicals knew this

@@christophermauro-barias7451 Technicals doesn't wanna know this. No matter what one thinks about the Nairo/Zack case, Technicals is a scary, untrustworthy person with a messed up agenda.

@@AndreasSaag Honestly I'm all for Tech for exposing the wrongs in the Smash community, but it feels like he's only trying to take everyone down and not improve anything. Like there are people who are in the Smash community that are completely disconnected from the Nairo situation, and are actually trying to at least work with what they have. The whole system is fucked anyway, and Nairo is just one of the worse ones. I miss his cooking vids...

Because no one likes Salem after he went on a huge tirade on the Melee community. Nairo is such a beloved figure in the community. It's sad

didnt samsora get banned because he didn't report the relationship? or lied about how much he knew? hes still banned to this day.

@@loycos3648 yeah, this is fucking ridicolous

@@loycos3648 Seems like a lot of people of color are banned trivial reasons.

@@loycos3648 there is more to it than that (its something significant) but i can't remember

Samsora used the situation for advantage, even if he wasn't wrong, why he left lmao.

Samsora's ban was completely reasonable - he knew Zack and Nairo were dating, and he let it happen. Knowing about any form of child abuse and not reporting it is a serious offence which both Salem and Samsora were guilty of.

@@KindaKaon I'm not saying Samsora didn't deserve the ban. It just makes no sense how He got banned for not reporting it while Nario himself isn't banned when he was one half of the relationship.

@@KindaKaon So the kid diddler doesn't get banned but the people who knew about it did, man SSBU community is a joke.

@@KindaKaon but like tweek knew and didn't say anything so should he be banned?

Yeah its kind of weird how even in this video there are comments defending Nairo lol like he is NOT a victim here

Same

The Leffen thing is an even better example

@@TheStarrySept that's even in the fgc but they are on your ass if you do something wrong the problem is they seem to hide or not mention any of the incidents except the ltg vs ceroblast

@@TheStarrySept Leffen did an evil worse than murder and pedophelia combined Slander

i mean zero is packed up

@@TheStarrySept Leffen is just the XQC troll of smash smh

cap, I used darknicals voice

Hey technicals, you sucking off LTG still?

@IsaacInfernape2000 (Raman) zero? Proof? Source?

I gagged when I heard that

i hope is the first and the last time i heard that shit, wtf this even means lmao

Are you surprised that there are teenagers that do that. Remember projared Remember those Teenagers that used that event to steal money from people and when they were find out they lied they ran off the Internet with the money they got from said lie.

@@GeuseWRLD Why are you surprised Literally in 2 thousands we had gangwars and stuff When teenagers We're openly doing worse stuff. Or how many car crashes they were on being chased by the cops We've set stolen cars. Like I used to live in Newark NJ None of this is surprising for me it should not be surprised of anybody. Teenager in that town will beat you up still all your money shoes and if you have a nice car parked in Newark see what happened. A teenager will steal everything in and off the car and leave it on bricks including a chair. And if you confront them well You better be prepared to be found In weekway Park Lake. Yes they did find a body there A couple of times.

@@lonelywolf5659 but projared he did fucked up, but the pedo accusations and the other shit it was all lie, and was his wife who did it, and besides zack is def not a teenager that you would look and be afraid of, hes literally a walking stickman for being so thin. nairo fucked up because he didnt control the situation like a adult should

I agree both are in the wrong But at least people can redeem themselves like how ZeRo did. But people who shut off redemption (such as claiming some can't be redeemed when they clearly can) against others are making themselves unforgivable

@@bailujen8052 pedophiles are in the group of unforgiveables

@@bailujen8052 ZeRo redeemed himself by disappearing long enough for the heat to die down only to come back and declare "upon further reflection, I decided that I actually didn't do all the bad things that I admitted to (because it hurts my bottom line). Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe!"

@@Charmolution Incorrect dumbass. He dealt with legal action against Jisu. He didnt "wait till it died down": The situation was basically over after he was banned. I dont get how him coming back after dealing with things privately and working out is somehow ZeRo dodging responsibility and downplaying the situation as this implies.

Nairo was a 20 year old who plays a nintendo game for a living at the time, not even old enough to drink. One could argue that Nairo was not a fully functional/developed adult at that time since brains don't fully mature until the mid to late 20s. Zack was a manipulative predator who took complete advantage of his age, it's not as black and white as you may think it to be.

They have done it for years until 2020

Nepotism bayybeee

​@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034do you know what nepotism is?

But the second you criticize their baby (Melee), your head is on the chopping block, no ifs ands or butts

I do agree the ban/unban situation is unfair and biased, though. No arguments there. Nairo made mistake. Whether you want to crucify him at the cross for the rest of his life is one thing, whether he should be treated with privilege in the community is another.

Or even slap him like a naughty brother

He could've easily been accused of assault and battery by Zack if he did, and I'd be shocked if Zack didn't know that. In other words, Nairo was screwed no matter what.

The thing is, I doubt he'd ever want to anyway. The whole thing messed him up BIG TIME, to the point that he's not even tempted to return to tournaments. Let me remind you that he was a great competitive player and tournaments were his livelihood. That's no small thing.

The smash community needs to beat the shit out of him. He literally instigated a relationship with a child, some people need to be punched in the fucking face. I don't like it, but fuck this banning and unbanning doesn't do anything

That's a damned shame. There's so many people worth watching over him.

Giving a pedophile ad revenue. Good stuff.

It's funny cus I respect Nairos skill as a player but then I hear him talking like he's the hottest shit around and I'm like "dude don't get to full of yourself, you fkd a child and flirted openly on your socials. Wtf?!"

People who refuse to forgive (cancel culture and political correctness included) are risking themselves being unforgivable

ZeRo banned all for getting slandered

IF a legal agreement is the same as being proven innocent (according to the smash community), wouldnt they have to unban/forgive zero? he had a legal agreement with jisu sooo it seems pretty dishonest to me

Settling out of court usually isn't a good thing, like for all we know he could have paid him hush money LOL

There's nothing legally saying he's innocent or guilty that's right.

Thankk technicals

​@@CraftingAltmost of those although, unlike nairo, were proven false, and the "nude pics" to the minor may be a false rumor spread by jisu. Only thing he is liable for is talking inappropriately to a 15 year old. Far far far less egregious as Zack and nairos case

who is this “other person”?

@@KaxMergZero

You can get away with murder if you have a sick fox in melee

Why? There are many legal court documents that aren’t made public. We’re all nobodies - and the fact that you feel entitled to someone’s personal and private legal proceedings show how naive you are about the importance of human rights of privacy. Anytime you are accused or have to go to court, I demand you post those documents to the public. Thanks!

@@tomb5511 I am well aware of that, but that's a general thing. I am speaking about this specific document in particular - in a case where it looked like a grown ass man flirted with a 15-year-old boy and fucked him. Said adult who receives support from a community of people who are just NOW beginning to find the context of what he was doing a little suspicious at the very least, after years. A case involving many big names and figureheads in this particular community. I don't care if you call it naïve, but I would like to be apart of this community and if they are going to ban someone for telling a bad joke or ban someone for creepy texts with a minor, but then Nairo comes along, I think a precedent should be set. And the only thing that would go against that, logically would be document that would, "Ultimately exonerate" him. I don't need to see the damn document, I don't care about Nairo. I would just like him to be fucking banned until he can prove otherwise, if he even cares enough. So, you're very welcome asshole.

@@GSEleven Hm. Sorry for coming off rude. But I just dislike when “doing what’s right” is done the wrong way (such as persecution based on subjectivity). When you say you want him “banned until he can prove otherwise” is the same mentality of “guilty until proven innocent” - precisely the same logic anecdotally used when we accused women of being witches and they were guilty until they could prove they “weren’t a witch”. Salem witch trials. So regardless of how you and I feel- we must always favor “innocent until PROVEN guilty”. And if it can’t be PROVEN other than a bunch of people saying a bunch of things to contradict each other- then that shouldn’t be grounds for GUILT. Can we at least agree on that?

@@tomb5511 We don't even disagree on this GENERALLY, and it's not even that you lack the fucking context to understand this. I genuinely don't know why this isn't clicking in your head sequentially. I can only assume it is because you're trying to view this in a broader scope and remain general rather than zooming into what is going on in the situation itself, which causes you to conflate banning Nairo from Smash events to the Salem witch trials. So allow me put this into perspective for you. This is not in any context similar to the Salem witch trials. Yeah, when false accusations are made, they can be viewed in that light. This is not one of those cases. If the accused party were stated to be a witch, if memory serves me right, they would be killed. Nairo will face no consequences from being banned, he isn't being jailed, he will still stream his content and have friends on his stream, he isn't losing any money. People in the Salem witch trials were fucking dying. And I get the point you are making isn't that they are 1:1, rather it is akin to that. But no. I still disagree. I just fucking told you the motive behind wanting to see the legal documentation that would exonerate him, and you view that as me saying he's guilty baselessly. People have been banned for less, people have even been arrested and jailed for less. Cinnpie is banned and rightfully so, however there is LESS evidence than her doing anything with Puppeh than there is with Nairo doing stuff with Zack. We literally took his word and banned her ass. ZeRo was banned, rightfully so, but yet again for doing LESS than Nairo, and he was accused of more than Nairo, but had been cleared on all of his accusations except the one, which despite there being a gap between the dates in the screenshots and when the actual conversations took place, there was STILL no incriminating evidence. And yet his ass got banned. Anti, literally wasn't his fault. But he should be banned for displaying he was unfit to be in a circumstance by enabling underage drinking and some other actions. Nairo, from the accounts of 4 different people had been feeding into the immature dynamic of Zack flirting with him. Even if jokingly? As a 20-year-old man at the time, I'm 19, that isn't something that's normal. I wouldn't flirt or cuddle with a middle schooler, that is the last thing I would joke about and it's genuinely disgusting. The only reason Nairo wouldn't be guilty of escalation, is if you somehow manage to believe that he has been getting blackmailed into feeding into that dynamic, the dynamic which has evidence of it being fed into - even unprompted in an instance by Nairo, from the start. And I'm not buying it. I get you saying if the Vic Mignogna situation or the Lui Caliber situation were akin to Salem witch trials, because the parties making the accusations had literally no evidence to substantiate their claims. They cried wolf, and people acted accordingly even when there was no evidence. Even with the Johnny Depp situation, same thing happened. Nairo, if absolved from accountability regarding sexual misconduct with a minor by the document ultimately changes little to nothing because he is still guilty of escalation. If TKBreezy and Dabuz can easily say no or express discontent for how those actions look, I don't see why Nairo couldn't. So then, you have his lawyer come out and explain how he has a document conjured by the 7 magic dragon balls stating how it could exonerate Nairo even with evidence to the contrary, and when so many people are pushing to get you banned and defaming you, you're not going to show it? Maybe he can't but again, it changes nothing. He should still be held accountable for finding it okay to cuddle with and flirt with a minor. By doing those things he expressed that, similar to Anti and MVD, that they shouldn't have been allowed in those situations because they don't have the capacity to do the right thing; they were unable to be held to the standards of a regular adult who wouldn't flirt with a child.

@@tomb5511 And the part about it being handled incorrectly. The dude was already banned for this, but then everyone campaigned to get him unbanned because he had reached a legal agreement with Zack. We took word of mouth from who has displayed he lacks the brain capacity to be held to the same standards as an adult, that he was the victim. When he was feeding into a relationship with a minor. Cagt stated he couldn't remove people from the GBD unless they provided them with evidence contradicting their ban. I am telling you this because they literally operated on a guilty until proven innocent system WAAAY before Technicals campaigned to dispute Nairo's unban. And he almost used the momentum for the ZeRo situation to make a bigger move while he had the most eyes on his channel he could, but it was halted and staggered by the commentary community, there was literally nothing he could do about that.

A lot of us were guilty of the mob mentality, including thefranChise. You don't have to like Technicals to agree with him, I just think it's best to at least see what they're saying. If someone is causing THAT much of a ruckus, don't JUST ignore it, regardless of if you don't like them or not. Is my advice.

What bothers me is that all he's accused of is way out of character for him. I followed his content before and after the case and not in all his hours have I gotten that vibe from him. You'd think he'd at least come out as bi/gay after that if that's truly how he felt, but he hasn't. And he's had plenty of opportunities to do so.

@JMZ "I've never seen this guy flirt with or have sex with a child. Therefore, when there is 100% evidence he did those things, I'm skeptical."

​@@CrazyHand7894 I actually wouldn't think that. No person should be expected to publicly announce their sexuality, as it is a mostly personal issue. So Nairo even in this case doesn't owe to disclose anything on that matter to his fans.

Jfc. Zero is a not a good person. Nairo isn't gay first of all. I'm a straight dude. I've been called a gay dude's boyfriend before as a joke. Y'all have zero life experience... Just like ZeRo.

The ice cube story for Zero was true, so that first part at least is false…

@@iceyroo no the ice cube thing has yet to be proven the only thing that was proven was zero being flirty with katey

This comment section is wild “allowed it to happen” literally victim blaming

@@onesmart229 well unless nairo can prove that it was a rape the current evidence implies that he let zack back in

It's because the entire competitive smash community feeds off of cancel culture. They spend all of their time on Twitter, and would publicly shun those who don't fit in the status quo. They mock those who "lacked social skills" despite lacking some themselves

High-school teacher would be a better analogy.

With the doctor Mario profile picture I can totally see you as one.

bruh what nairo did was wrong but theres something very wrong with you if you think a 16 year old is the same as an elementary school kid

@@edgelord8337 living up to your name, eh?

I'm not saying this is guaranteed the case here, but this isn't a strong case since there are thousands of cases where victims of SA change their story several times for various reasons.

​@@SSStephen_o7I know that being a victim of this type of crime is absolutely horrible but changing the story multiple times simply takes away all your credibility and makes you look like a liar

@nathanalves3284 I don't disagree, but that's the key distinction. Looking like a liar and being a liar are two completely different things.

Ok pedo

@@miltonpitts4185 That's a good way to exchange ideas.

@@leonguzman801 oh i wasnt exchanging. you out here taking up for a pedo is crazy period

you are the pedo@@miltonpitts4185

​@@miltonpitts4185he wants Nairo to be punished by the legal system. He's not defending him

It might be like the Leffen situation, literally everyone dislikes him now. I'm sure if enough top figures or people express disapproval or disdain for Nairo, could easily destroy his following and view count. You will always have a few stragglers who will support him for some reason or another but it could happen. And I'm hoping that's what this may cause.

@@GSEleven nairo is easily the most watched streamer. The community is putting him at #1

@@OranguBANG I do not follow Nairo in the slightest, however #1 on trending IS a big deal. I guess it's a lot more complicated than I put it.

He’s entertaining to watch

Maybe I can put a blacklist of people similar to the unmerciful servant from a parable.

W-weLl...N-Nairo was blackmailed! 🙄

@@GSEleven And? He acted, he had sex with a minor, blackmail honestly means nothing, he’s the adult, he should’ve known better

@@TheDeviantDon Nigga that was sarcasm, I agree with you. Calm down. Who ACTUALLY talks like that? Where have you been on the internet, are you okay? 🤣🤣

@@GSEleven You think most people would take that as sarcasm whenever you say that? Think before you type next time

@@TheDeviantDon Well, most people I know? Yes. We don't hang around TikTokers and the like, so I am genuinely curious as to why you don't?

I should be in the Nickelodeon all star brawl community, at least they're kind but mistreated by toxic smash fanboys who keeps saying NASB is "dead" when it is living in my heart to protect and will slay anyone who will try to defame it. Nintendo doesn't have good or even no support at all when Nickelodeon all star brawl has so much developer support

@@bailujen8052 I mean, it is dead be real

@@kaizuhrrx1551 “I don’t play game, game dead!”

@@persephone5025 Nah actually, it didn’t hold the excitement long, MultiverSus is still alive at least

@@kaizuhrrx1551 I played it the other day, my friends still play it. There’s still a scene for it. I was much more hype when Jenny was announced in NASB than I was for any other character in smash, other than maybe Joker. Just cause you don’t enjoy a game doesn’t mean it’s dead. Besides I’m sure it will jump back up in players now that the smash community is being turbo-fucked by Nintendo, Panda, and Pedophiles

My guy. Is not that im tryna defend nairo. But u weren’t even there in that moment. Neither was i. How can you talk so much about nairo behavior if u don’t even have a video, photo or some voice mail proof? At the end of the day if it was uno reverse a woman doing that to a man would be a different story. And nobody knows more about nairo and zack relationship than themself. And u don’t even know what negative stuff zack could’ve done too. So they both wrong. Not just nairo

@@JoaquinMaria It doesnt take more than 3 seconds to read the part of the comment where it says "I´m well aware captain zack is not guilt free either". There was not a single moment where he mentioned that zack was not in the wrong too

@@JoaquinMaria your reply is very very off... especially with what was said in accordance to a comment like op's... it is very contradictive and ironic, and thus very much so overly defending nairo and only nairo in a very blind and deaf fashion... it is obvious the very reason such is done is because its obvious, and you are clearly very conscious of, that is the only thing you are present to do... its just odd... to make up otherwise from their comment is clearly just an insecure gaslight...

Listen Im all for banning Nairo. He did FLIRT with a freaking minor But please stop victim blaming a person who was raped

😬 geez... these replies are getting to be sterotypically bad... its too cliche its extremely cringeworthy

They're both disgusting creatures

You mean to cover up the fact he was assaulted

Yeah, Im sure you’d be clear headed after getting raped,blackmailed and threatened with exocommuncation from your main hobby/how you make money.

Nairo was smarter than Zero. You lawyer up in these situations not make stupid videos and tweets.

@@KazeShikamaru I'm saying the act of him doing that clearly shows his guilt, obviously he never should have did that shit in the 1st place but seeing as he immediately got legal counsel shows that hes definitely guilty

@@KazeShikamaru zero did do that tho

@@cobbyay That's complete nonsense. You should get legal counsel even if you aren't guilty. That's the smart thing to do.

@@cobbyay No? It shows that even you can't be unbiased about your own actions. A legal acquittal is the best way to show one's own innocence. As for why he hasn't shown the document, why should he? It's a private matter that already got settled. How would showing it now help matters? It's clearly a sensitive subject.

The franchise will pay for unforgiveness

Facts.

bad comparison

That's a horrible comparison. What has Nairo done since then? He only streams in RU-vid and ocassionaly plays with other content creators. That's it. He's no danger to anyone. It's not for us to determine his fate. It's for the legal system and that's already done.

@@CrazyHand7894 he's still had an oral sex with 15 years old tho, you can argue all you want about how he changed etc but that still doesn't make the severity go away, same with robbing a store/bank, you can argue you just came once and never comd back to the same store again but you'll still get punished. Correct me if I am wrong tho

I don't like tech for a lot of reasons, mainly his attitude and how he seems to expose the smash community for personal gain, as opposed to actually trying to help people. Still, the actual facts and presentation should be taken more seriously

@@benro6564 He only plays into that persona because no matter what thats what people believe about him. If he really only did it for attention, he wouldnt only cover the Smash community.

because they literally are obsessed with it? LOL

Who gives a shit. This happened years ago. Like honestly

@@yeahright3901 Bruh, maybe Techincals, but you can’t say that they’re wrong.

Like Chise said, both should be banned.

​@@mattgroening8872Not nairo

​@@mattgroening8872Captain Zack ist nothing more than a Liar Who's abusing His Titel aß a minor. He is terrible dang scumbag.

@@Indigomoon167 dude he had sex with a minor twice

​@@Indigomoon167🤡🤡🤡

I can't even believe that we have to humor that discussion to begin with. The case should start and end with "Nairo had sex with a minor, making him guilty of statutory rape." End of sentence. There should not even be any discussion about this settlement. I would not even be remotely surprised if part of that settlement involves him paying Zack a portion of whatever he makes from streaming, and the people who supposedly saw it are vouching for him just so that he actually can stream and not go bankrupt.

I see this all the time to, people don't understand that when you settle you normally agree to not push the issue any further, which means you can't just post your evidence online. But today most people really do just want to settle things with the court of public opinion

People don't settle unless they are in the wrong? The innocence project would like a word with you

@@ensanesane it's funny how people try to bring up an argument when they don't know the legal system. The innocence project is there to help those whose been wrongly convicted by exonerating those who have already been incarcerated. Nairo never went to prison cause he never went to trial. The innocence project wouldn't even work because there is actual proof of Nairo flirting and cuddling with a 15 year old kid. He let a 15 year old kid blackmail him into having sex with him. If he had to come to a point where that's the only logical choice to get him out of a bad situation, he has already screwed up in life for him to come to that conclusion. He settled because he wasn't gonna win the case.

People settle all the time. It is common to see that in a settlement both parties are not to release any legal documents outside of those approved by both parties in the settlement. Heck with plea deals (which is a form of settlement just on the criminal side), we find that not guilty people take them all the time often decades later. So i disagree with your statement that settlement = liable or guilty. Sometimes even if you are correct it is smarter to go for a settlement since 1. Evidence is usually not disclosed to the public and 2. Less headaches, emotionally and financially.

Well and their attitudes. I remember that went it all went down, Nairo admitted it and ducked out and we never heard from him until he released his legal statement after going to therapy. In contrast, ZeRo then made not one, not two, but three documents explaining himself each time. The problem was that there was language with classic words and phrases that is attributed to classic deflection, gaslighting, and outright negated statments (ZeRo lied). So essentially, he dug his own grave even more when he was in a bad spot in the court of public opinion. Essentially Nairo played it smarter than ZeRo did. ZeRo burned a lot of goodwill before leaving and seeking legal counsel. While Nairo said he did it, ducked out of town, got therapy (paid by NRG, likely a contractual term), and found a good lawyer. What I also think helped Nairo was that Zack was immensely hated in community for his taunting, actions at EVO, his morally ambiguous relationship with Ally (and blackmailing Ally), and match-fixing (big nono in any competitive game or sport). Heck it was bad enough that Zack's friends testified against Zack's original testimony which meant that Zack's credibility went down the drain even more. I am not victim blaming here, but the fact is that the alleged victim here is no saint which likely contributed to the better public perception of Nairo than ZeRo.

Well no, Zero also has full chatlogs of grooming a 14 year old

Stop trying to sweep under the rug what zero did. He was chatting inappropriately with a minor and asked for pics

@@dibblemcbibble2787 like those can't be photoshopped.

@@mitrimind1027 these are pages of Skype logs that zero already admitted are real. Fucking cope harder pedo

True or not, ruining protobanham victory by putting a sign like a manchild it's a pretty bad move

the only logic I see here is collecting clicks and likes. if this was about any form of justice, he would go with this ideas to court/police/etc. and not make it public

Also Nickelodeon all star brawl I'd a Gigachad game

Are his parents really gonna go with him to a smash tournament

Are you talking about Nairo or Zack? Nairo was 19 at the time and has been attending without a guardian for years. Some places allow you to book hotels and the like even young as 16 without a guardian, though most usually require you to be 18. I think Zack's situation is a bit weird and they usually don't accompany him to a smash tournament. The grassroots community is based on trust. Though you can call it naive, it is essentially a community of people who have passion for their small niche and such that everyone knows each each other and willing to trust each other it is how it was for decades since Nintendo is pretty hostile to them even pre-2020 scandals. Also the community has a huge distrust with large companies coming diwn and imposing their will. Even grassroots communities have favorable views towards the creators are hesitant toward their parent companies for reasons such as too much control imposed (Nintendo gives some strict requires) and past behavior (Street Fighter was this until Capcom proved that they could be trusted to let the community run mostly on their own). Now this can lead to problems down the line as a scene grows bigger. Examples may include ingroup behavior and nepotism. Not necessarily saying that the Smash community as a whole is this (it has gotten pretty damn big such that there are several cliques and production companies with competting interests), but a good chunk of people don't forget about their grassroots origins.

He's talking about Zack

@@mr.punisher5100 ah my mistake then. But my theory of grassroots community still probably holds. The parents likely interacted and met locals and people who would accompany Zack to tournaments and ended up trusting then. Before 2020, there weren't any major scandals involving children like this before, the parents likely trusted these people and that Zack would be responsible enough to keep out of trouble. You can say it is naive or irresponsible of them but without knwon Zack's parents I wouldn't make conclusions about them.

Zack is fatherless why do you think he does what he does?

I think it is because ZeRo is simply less likable than Nairo. Remember that even before all the accusations, ZeRo attempted to play the villain, sort of what Leffen did. Unlike Leffen who can revel in his villain persona and sometimes plays it up in the Melee community. ZeRo didn't last as long and got burnt out, but because he didn't try to rehabilitate his image as well as Leffen tried, it comes off as ungenuine and he essentially "left" competitive. In contrast, Nairo came off as the guy who is likable, who wants to be friends with you and overall a kind guy. He also has some positive points of being the first to knock the pegs out of the heel, ZeRo. It comes down to PR. Additionally when all the accusations came out ZeRo, posted not one, not two, but three documents attempting to defend himself. And all those documents had the classic signs and language of a gaslighter, lies easily disproven by reputable members in and outside of the Smash community, and tons of deflections. It was only after ZeRo did all of his that he admitted it and stayed silent then proceeded to sue Jisu (frankly at the wrong time as the community had a semi-sympathetic tone towards her, funny enough the majority of Smash community would slowly turn against her during the Hax, who is her ex, drama) I think if his lawyers timed it better (granted they were pushing the statute of limitations here so, I can understand the rush). In contrast to Nairo, who dipped immediately and came out with a swinging statement from his lawyer who cited Nairo's therapist and three reputable Smash community members. It also helped Nairo rehabilitate his image slightly by having Zack exposed as a completely manipulative bastard by multiple members of the community, Zack's own friends testifying against Zack, banned for match-fixing and blackmail, and attempting to get together with other older guys when Zack was a minor. those are some of the reasons why there is a difference between the reactions of ZeRo and Nairo.

@@coolyeh1017 I don't remember Zero ever trying to play the villain at all like Leffen but I agree with all your points

@@Clairavoya It was a super temporary stint so most people don't remember he tried to play the heel.

@@coolyeh1017 Ah

there was no point to banning zero...thats the point you dumb fuck. Zero wasnt even in the wrong, there are many videos proving that he wasnt and the girl lied to take advantage of the metoo movement. Do you think before you type you dumb fuck. There is literally 0 reason to ban someone whos never going to a tourney lmao, ESPECIALLY when their career was practically in shambles

Good point. But, in my opinion, ZeRo needs to be banned for the sake of PR. More people probably heard all the allegations than Technicals' debunking them, with the exception of the Katie stuff. And more people would probably not have heard how he's not a pedo from Tech, rather that they would think he is. I think Tech knows this, he said that the Katie thing is good grounds to keep him banned. (This is not important to my argument, but let's not forget that ZeRo's 1000% retired from tournaments, so he wouldn't go to any of them in the first place.)

So is Nintendo and Masahiro Sakurai pedos?

@@bailujen8052 no

Ban Leffen again if he kept getting rejected by other FG communities

And people who don't want others to change are unforgivable due to Matthew 6:15

If I were part of other platform fighter communities, I would put rules that not only protect minors but also protect pros reputations from being raped.

Yes, this is what any one with more than 2 braincells would want.

I mean it went to court there would be something in writing about that.

@@KazeShikamaru 12:11

He doesn't show it because it's private. We're not a court of law, so we have no say in this. I'd bet anything that even if he _did_ show it, people would accuse him of forging it or something. I hate cancel culture.

However he didn't do such an enormous act like Nairo did tho, and Nairo's case is quite more recent

@@Whitesnake273 theyre both completely in the wrong and both disgust me idk how people just forgive nairo regardless of how mentally fucked zack is

@@pearlssbu8749 no ones defending Zero, but Nairo's case is objectively worse since it actually got physical twice

Because people will realize what it actually is. How you phrase things will come out totally different depending how you say it. Hes not grooming, he's being a passionate hands-on instructor. "He's got potential man"

Before a lot of the stuff came out, most people didn't imagine that there could be quite a relationship underneath. In fact most people who saw these things, even at locals testified that they thought the two were just really close friends. Same with the Puppeh and Cinnpie thing because people knew she wsaa mentoring him, so they thought it was teasing. The vast majority of people are not going to assume the worst (you know statutory rape or illict relationship) without adidtional information or context. This is a classic hindsight is 20/20. Now afterwards, well we have more context now.

In other words, everyone big in the smash community is a pedo defender. These people are gamers, not lawyers. That doc would not hold up in court.

@@universalperson like I said I'm not a nairo fan so idk and idc I'm just stating the fact that hella people that called him out when this first happened all apologized and shit

@@universalperson neither the creator of this yt channel, or technicals, or any hater of him.

@@ABC-ik9vj or any supporter of him. And given the argument is "a minor blackmailed me!"...lulz

@@universalperson you're absolutely right, no one but nairo himself should give a sh*t about the case