Westballz - The Truth 

who is gimli???

Mang0’s girlfriend Lauren followed me and subtweeted me for replying to mang0 that he should come take shots with me and my bf at a tourney. Time went on and eventually mang0 literally had to DM me and tell me to lay low because Lauren was so jealous about me occasionally replying to his tweets. She’s insane

Hugs' takes on anything are like a neverending missed charge shot.

Good job reaching out to sources for your own story. Proud of your growth

Man, I lost so much fucking respect on IBDW, HugS and Leffen when all this shit happened, it was such a shame to see how Wes was falsely accused and everyone just never apologized

The smash community is a joke.

FINALLY people backing westballz. I have heard wes talk about this situation so much on his streams. It genuinely makes me sad hearing him talk about it. Thank you for making this video and backing westballz up. This community was so cruel to him. You're such a legend for putting effort into your stream and melee even after everything you've been through wes. I can't imagine the feeling. You didn't deserve this. #sorrywes

The worst part about these false allegations is that often people will hear them, and never hear that they came out to be untrue. For months I've thought Westballz was a weird creep who groped mang0s wife but now I have to say I'm sorry Westballz because I was wrong.

Kat and Lauren are literally the "WOMAN CANT BE WRONG" In the smash community

The first two girls are crazy liars. Hugz is clearly engaging in Doublethink and Mental Gymnastics. It's not worth trying to convince someone this foolish.

I might sound like an asshole but I feel bad for Mang0's son for having a mom like Lauren.

Nice video dude, I wanna say three things 1- This community is a fucking echo chamber of people who point with the finger before think. 2- We must understand the echo chambers are dangerous so if someone proves the opposite don't discredit him instantly like these other people do. 3- #SorryWes

Lauren has always been a nut job. I remember in the heyday of Melee Hell, it'd be laughably easy to rile her up over trivial shit, or goad her into trying to abuse admin powers. Needless to say, I got a lot of mileage out of her knife attack

I hope Wes gets better man. He was never really given a proper chance even after the allegations were cleared by the would be victims. Maybe the Twitter community is the problem. Like why create drama over such serious matters?

What people seem to consistently miss is that HugS himself isn't the problem but a symptom of a larger problem: refusal to apply accountability when it's their favorite or to look into allegations when presented. Or, as I've started saying lately: "The Smash community is perpetually on Twitter."

Wait people jumped to morally righteous conclusions and then recklessly dog piled on someone on social media? When has that ever happened?

I used to not like WestBallz back in 2015 Melee days because he just seemed annoying but seeing how many people do these things to him makes me rather like a person like WestBallz than any of the other so called "influencers"

Now Lauren even locked her tweets after this video came out. LMAO

I'm so glad somebody has covered this finally, seeing him stream now is so sad, his pain transcends through the screen tbh. But its the smash community so likely the top figure heads will never admit their wrong doing.....

YO DID MANG0 JUST MEET A GIRL, SETTLE DOWN, HAVE A KID, BUY A HOUSE, AND BREAK OFF A FRIENDSHIP WITH A GOOD FRIEND BECAUSE THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD TRIED AND FAILED TO SLEEP WITH HIM AND THEN ACCUSED HIM OF BEING CREEPY? He did. He really did though.

I find it so funny that hugs missing every point and every charged shot is so poetic. The symmetry suggests if he could finally get the point then he could finally land the shot. He could grow as a person and a player. Anyways great content as always fran.

Well cited & sourced, straight to the point, and with a few jokes still peppered in? This video was an absolute banger. Im falling in love with this channel.

At this point, I'm willing to believe that people in the Smash community target others, not because they did something unforgivable, but because they don't like them for one reason or another. It just so happens that one of the people they didn't like (ZeRo) actually did something that was worth a ban. Like, imagine if HBox was still disliked during the 2020 movement. They'd have wanted him crucified on a McDonald's sign over some shit he didn't do.

I know who Gimli is

The smash community is Twitter 2.0. Change my mind

Ok since everyone wanna cancel each other rn, why don’t we just cancel hugs and the 3 girls 🤔

I wondered what happened to westballz cause he just disappeared without word. Now that I see what happened.. ouch.

Slander: Noun the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation Libel: Noun a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation. But it's okay because nobody is stopping him from going to tournaments, am I right?

My nigga FranChise growing spreading truth and calling out these clowns. Also the doom samples tho.

THANK YOU for making this video. This definitely needs to be heard. The three main woman you bring up in this video seriously need to be put on blast for this. It's apparent that both Lauren and Kat are huge attention seekers and enabling them to do so at the expense of another person is outright wrong of "us" to allow as a community. Blindly trusting the first person to speak out is something that the smash twitter community has failed to circumvent. Lauren specifically has had similar situations happen in the past where it's obvious that she is falsely accusing both of Wes and MANGO so this is techinally her third time doing so. It makes sense that people turn the other cheek when it comes to Lauren being rightfully put on blast as to respect MANGO, but why is it their right to avoid this stress over someone like Westballz. It's obvious to me that Lauren is still an advent manipulator judging through her tweets and her comments in twitch chat so I hope all is well in the mango household. End rant. I hope Wes can get through this.

Never heard of the Westballz case back in mid 2020. Thank you for this video.

Don’t join these gaming “communities” these people aren’t your friends (with the exceptions of the real people you grow close with) or family. Smash celebrities aren’t your friends. Tournament organizers are not your friends. Twitter isn’t your friend.

Honestly it’s the scary part of the “yes all women” concept. Not that we shouldn’t take these allegations seriously but proof is a big deal.

Good shit as always, dude. I hope Westballz gets some much needed traction from this.

Hugs seems like the kind of guy who would click on those ads that say there's a hot single woman, who lives 10 blocks away and wants to meet him

Wes shared "green-medicine" with my gf at the time at Paragon 2015, and it was her fondest memory of the tournament. She's dealt with a myriad of smashers who behave "typically" with women, but Wes wasn't one of them. Wes is owed apologies, multiple apologies on apologies. This is some "believe all victims" stuff taken to an absurd extreme.

Will come back to this in a bit, but thanks for making this. Heard you talking about this but I had no idea that this video was in the works

The smashers used the whole me too movement as a way to ban people they didn’t want in their club. This is the problem with censorship in general

Thank you for this video, I was completely unaware of the whole entire situation. Really glad I watched this just to get some clarification, I'm really sad and disappointed about all this..

I think the tweet next to the Hbox Smash Con was referencing this, but I'll go ahead and elaborate a bit further. After Nintendo did another PR fumble, a lot of top community leaders started acting like belligerent children towards Nintendo, one of these people was Hugo who elected to eat steak on top of his switch with a fork and knife (DAAAAAAYUUUUUUM). That was just the beginning however. Nintendo hosted an online tournament some time after and two people invited to commentate were VikkiKitty, the best female commentator hands down, and SuperGirlKels, the best female smasher of all time (took games from Zero and beat M2K). Hugo in his greasy baby bod decided that they had stepped out of line and started drumming outrage over them "betraying" the community and a bunch of other mean words because two women got an opportunity to work with Nintendo directly (which may or may not help repair some damage caused by the 2020 shitstorm). He eventually wised up and backed down...but by that point it was too late, this mexican wojak tried to push out the two most contributing females to the Smash scene, period. Mind you this is the same idiot that tried to suggest a Gamebanana mod making Pyra/Mythra's jiggle physics on par with DOA was going to lead to sexual assault and made an entire video malding about it (which he still has up at this time). We'll keep Nairo around who fucked Zack twice, keep Jisu and Leffen who repeatedly lied about Zero/Vanessa/Mew2King/Hbox and plenty more, and nearly pushed two ACTUAL contributing females from the scene while brushing off Lauren attempting to kill her friend with a knife Can't comment on Kat, but with Lauren I recall Mango doing a pre-summit event (the first one Hbox attended I believe). There was some picture in a room and Hbox was talking with Leffen I think and it looked like Lauren was just sitting on the couch looking depressed (She'd been REEEing about Hbox for a long while, probably because it triggered the fanboy in her for Mango). So I made a comment saying "Lauren looks all sad". I would later be corrected by Lauren, ok that's fine, I looked at the hair and the posture and was wrong. ...Except she went on a tirade about why I made that assumption and blew it WAY the fuck out of proportion. Good shit as always...really dig the Investigations 2 music

She has a child and is how old but still acts this manipulative and immature.

Glad i found this channel LMAO - been a smash fan and watcher for over 5+ years now and good to see the community getting justice back and getting CIRUS WES BACK 🎪 DK

Yo this was good! HugS doesn't have a leg to stand on and I'm really glad this is being brought up #Apologize2Wes

this was the video that made me subscribe amazing content, keep up the great work, franChise

Hugs' point of donating doesn't really help his simp allegations considering he is actively letting others know of santi's situation while also showing how much more he'll pay for jisu over someone in bit of a crisis.. he'll pay significantly more for an actual woman in his life for a potential mack, rather than help someone who's goin thru very unfortunate circumstances ..society....

westballz is an alright dude, sad how he was treated

I still remember reading all these accusations as they were coming out on twitter. Heartbreaking to read at the time about my biggest inspiration for getting into fighting games. Great video once again

I have been out of the loop, but every so often I have kept wondering what happened to westballz. it was westballz that got me into playing falco, a character I have dedicated mained for 6 years now. I am not informed enough to have a stance on the drama, and I certainly can't say that this one video is enough for me to take a side esp since I'm not part of the community like that, but I hope that whatever happened, the truth wins

No accountability from these people who lied

Really been waiting for someone with video editing skills and half a brain to dissect this fucking busted community. This is genius, thank you

Haven't finished the vid yet but just wanted to add that Lauren/Mango's Gf seems to have some kind of history/vendetta with accusing Westballz of things. I remember in sometime circa 2016-2017 there was another huge drama that was debunked where she was accusing him of doing weird stuff/being on drugs or something? It was all very strange but all the sources I read about it debunked it pretty quick so I find it strange how she seems to have a pattern of going after Westballz like that.

Its sad that 24 hours in only 11k people saw this. I wish more people would open their eyes.

Im late but damn this video is extremely well made and gets right to the point, great stuff man!

Man this is so sad. Big up to you man for your work.

Why is the smash community like this lmaoo Half of them kinda stuck in highschool or something

As a gamer, gaming communities in general are wack. Lots of weirdo’s and incels who gained clot and now do whatever they can to keep it even if it means ruining other lives. Free west. This is the best melee channel.

Westballs - OG Hugz - Simp

This just does to show how people you call "friends" are not in the very least when things go south, moments like this is when people show their true colors and are gonna be quick to turn on you, when shit hits the fan

Best video about the smash communities issues i've seen. You're doing gods work.

Hugs after seeing this video: "So somehow 'apple bottom jeans' makes me some kind of simp or something - bro what are you even saying?"

Missing the point, which is pretty on character for Hugs lmaooooo so true

good video as usual :) I also always love the music in the video as well to help match the vibes you're presenting. Maybe the next videos you could do in the future could be something like the Cpt. Zack stuff or a case from forever ago. VikkiKitty and Hyuuga. I just like the breakdowns you do for these cases. It helps piece a lot of stuff together when it's scattered all over twitter or other platforms.

I was in the stream at 16:00, lol. The message was deleted so fast I didn't even have time to read it. I was not aware of this stuff concerning Wes (one of my favorite players) and I really appreciate this levelheaded delivery of the facts. That said I also don't plan on supporting hugs monetarily for the foreseeable future because of it lmao

Allegations are so dangerous, people believe them even if there's damn near no evidence just due to who they came from or how something was said, even if there's no concrete proof. Twitter is hella guilty with this and it's just unfortunate Wes had to go through something like this as well, I'm praying for him.

I miss westballz and hate that people can't just chill and play the game. You all are supposed to grow with the game, not hold on to your childhood.

Damn dude gotta love the research! Good seeing this from you from first seeing you in Noah’s stream ! Good shit

Man I wonder what Hugs would do once Jisu gets officially exposed as a lying fraud. I know that some figureheads that vouched for her a little bit like Alpharad would just delete their tweets and move on like nothing happened, which is fine I guess. But for people like Hugs, Leffen, or Esam I genuinely wonder what they would do.

Mangos girlfriend Lauren seems super toxic. She's exhibits narcissistic traits.

comment for the algorithm, i really hope this video gets pretty big in the community. People need to hear this.

A little update btw to anyone that cares: Jisu "left" the smash community lol the new JisuSSBM isn't the real Jisu anymore(least what I've heard, I'm not on twitter anymore after these allegations) goes to show you how well the case is going. Feel free to keep defending Jisu though.

If Smash figureheads took accountability, hax would be unbanned. I’m not gonna get into Leffen, Jisu, ZeRo etc. but I will say that the man has no reason to still be banned and the fact that people like Slime act like he’s committed a crime while still buddy buddy with Leffen is just annoying

great video, thanks for bringing more attention to this, it was really messed up

hell yeah bro early asf this bouta be good

This is so sad man. I'm hoping Westballz has a resurgence in his viewership or his place in smash in general. Funny how it's 2022 and we still can't stop talking about the past shit with this game/community. I've seen some of westballz streams in 2021 when he would drink white claws and trulys throughout the whole thing, without any context to this. It's pretty ironic how this game is a kids game and has had these "he said, she said" situations for so long.. it's like we're all walking down the hallway, getting this info. feed to us. Doesn't have to be exactly the truth or fiction, whatever our young naive minds will latch onto.

This shit hurts to come back to. West had the fucking moves, he was a quiet killer but whenever he spoke, that shit was gold. I may be riding a bit, but he was one of the cooler personalities in the community that made me actually want to watch smash, and it hurts to know that things could've been different if people weren't fucking idiots.

perhaps if we get augie rfc to explain to hugs it was a post high school setting he might understand even if the allegations were true.

#HugsIsABadFriend #sorrywes

This is the first video I've seen from you. Love to see youre defending west, always been a big fan of him. I got a question tho that whole thing about the how HugS should have just donation shamed you back. Was that a reference to Idubbz? It sounded almost identical to what he said. If it was good on you man.

Great video, Smash community is complete 🗑️

didnt laura metoo the father of her child on false allegations

4:53 YES!! We still be draggin' Leffin! ALL day ERRRRY day!

Great work-What’s the name of the beat you play at the end of your videos? It sounds like something Constrobuz would produce

I think we should also address players that did the right thing on staying neutral on things like these and didn't add more wood to the fire like Hugs did

Lauren is the Amber H. of the Smash Community

these people who apparently care about sexual abuse and whose first reaction is to make a public scene out of it, never cease to amaze me

Moral of the story: If you guys want to get a girlfriend, never go to the Smash community to find one.

I respect tf out of this @thefranChise! Well done with the video.

I’m so happy to see this. Tbh, I really did think west was selling addy, but I could not care less.

man i was actually really wondering what happened to Wests' following because he was literally one of the biggest players i had no clue he was under false allegations .. poor guy

The Smash Bros community is worse than the FIFA community at this point.

They should apologize…..NOW

Gotta appreciate the inclusion of that DOOM jingle

Incredibly well explained very good job

I don't think hugs cares about your threat against his credibility because nobody in the smash community actually cares about credibility to begin with lol

Doing gods work Franchise

Jesus, guess this applies "With friends like these, who needs enemies" #sorrywes

I called this while all of this was happening. MOST of the allegations people were claiming were just false and it was a such an unfortunate moment for the people that got gaslighted and canceled. It did not take someone with a big brain to see the BS in a lot of these stories. Unfortunately gaming communities can be toxic in this way and I've experienced this locally too. Don't automatically believe the accuser until there is enough evidence to at least have a good case against someone for stuff like this. So unfair to the actual victims that are the ones being accused

Hugs' meat riding ability is INSANE, I personally have never liked him. Anytime I've heard anything about Mang0's wife, it's never been anything positive. It's all been some dumb crazy shit that she stirs up and eventually everyone reaches every corner of the internet.

The fact that Kat laughed at people for calling her a "pedo excuser" shows that she's proud to be one.

Good job on the video really good keep it up dude