Excellent, eye-opening video. Thanks. I had always assumed that the size of the can pretty much corresponded to the size of the filter element inside. Putting the undersized elements inside a standard can is, at the very least, ethically bankrupt and, IMO, actually borders on fraud.
I disagree. Filter can sizes have a lot to do with the volumetric amount of oil it holds as well as the flow spec by the engine application, physical dimension of the space it lives in. This filter size is extremely common on Japanese cars engines etc. And if the filter is sufficient for the application other than Kubota then Kubota should design their own filter. Another strange arguement but possibly valid that I have not researched is that space in the bottom of the can allows room for sedimentation which only can occur if you reduce agitation. In water separation if the element touches the water it will wick up into the element.
Wow, many many more Kubota owners need to see this video. Quite informative and enlightening. As a corollary video, I would like to see a comparison of transmission fluids. UDT 2. compared to the many non OEM fluids available. Thanks very much. Messick’s. Your a real asset to the Kubota family.
Great video. Have watched many of your videos always informative I worked for a John Deer dealerships for 22 years and they never would of given out the information that you do to inform customers the only thing that they were interested in is the dollars that they can pull out of the pocket of the next victim
Hey Neil Great video! That upper gasket you're trying to explain is called and Anti-Drain Back Valve. It keeps the oil from running out of the filter to reduce dry starts. We had problems with this in the automotive industry with engine clatter on startup. The anti drain back was added to prevent this issue. It was good that you pointed out the material difference between all these filter. Buying cheap filters is never cheap.
I have bought from your dealership before, AND I watch Wess Pandy's You Tube channel, where he speaks highly of you guys. Good video! Thanks, Central Indiana, USA
Hey Neil, I remembered watching this video when it first came out and gave you a shout out in my latest video while changing the oil on my bx2370 and referred to this video you made. Left a link in my video description. Great video indeed!
I am not a Messick's Customer. Do not even live near one! However, I do have a mechanical background and have worked as a truck/equipment technician. Three things: One: Fleetguard filters are awesome! Two: Run OEM filters! These filters meet or exceed the design requirements of the equipment for which you require filters. Three: If you cannot run or do not have access to OEM filters (why would you not with the internet?), then run a filter such as Fleetguard or another extremely comparable brand. Running aftermarket filters is an evolving risk to failure, extensive damage and VERY expensive equipment repair or replacement! "It's Cheaper to Keep'R! (with the good stuff, of course!)
Microns don't mean squat if the filter has a poor beta rating. You guys need to test the engine oil by sending it to a lab and you will find out which filter is best. Run a back to back test with the NAPA platinum and OEM
I used to own a quick oil change shop. We sent oil samples to the lab to check wear. That is the only way you will know if one filter is better than another, also all oils are not the same. Compare apples to apples. You are absolutely correct.
I think given the chance, and if our machines were equipped with sturdy metal spin-on filter canisters for both oil and fuel, we would chose the more substantial filter insert every time. Good and informative video, as per usual from Neil!
Thanks for this video. I will be using Kubota filters from now on. My 2013, Kubota B-2920, has very low hours so I haven't had to change my filters very often. My tractor has less than 400 hours. Central Indiana, USA
This was nothing less than shocking to me. Thanks so much for going to that effort to put out a great vid that’s also very well presented. No fluff just facts!
This was an amazing video. Incredibly informative and eye opening. I get Napa filters at cost through my work and was just about to get them for my upcoming service. Thank you, keep up the great work.
thanks for video !! just bought a 2018 rtv-x900 and am coming up on 50 hours ..I was looking for a parts go to source and messick fills the bill .. I am in rural arizona and the local dealer does not ship and is 100 miles away.. good prices ...
Considering the price and that you know for sure the Kubota dealer will have it in stock, the Kubota filter is without doubt the way to go. If, however, you need a filter and there is not a Kubota dealer around any of these filters will work fine. The important thing is DO THE MAINTENANCE and dont put it off. I do not have that many hours on a tractor, but have several decades on automobiles and as an average working stiff would use the cheap oils, filters, etc. along as the parts were the correct spec or grade. Never had a maintenance related problem. Maintenance schedules exist for a reason, and if you go by the schedule for extreme use, there is not a lot that can go wrong. I plan on using Kubota filters, because of the ease of ordering "kits" online, and since I am older I have the money to do so.
I have seen so many filters unprotected, in dusty boxes, having sat for years... I know it's a brand new filter but no, I will never use it, in the trash it goes, not worth the wear to the motor.
I usually buy all my maintenance supplies from where I bought my tractor. My thought is the oil & filter I use in my truck is fine for my truck, and I put some quality stuff in my truck, but I wouldn't use it in my tractor. Kubota chose the oil & filter they use for a reason, and the price they ask isn't outrageous. I bought my oil change for my tractor last year 7.5 quarts of oil and a filter was less than $60. Not exactly breaking the bank if you bought and are paying off $20,000 worth of equipment. I just think the piece of mind of using the certified oil and filters is worth the extra money you spend.
I used a Wix hydraulic filter on my Kubota tractor and while running a PTO mounted rear snow blower I saw a large amount of fluid on the snow. I shut down the tractor immediately and discovered the Wix hydraulic filter was loose and the gasket was loose from the fitting on the filter. I had installed the filter in the summer and now in the winter the gasket seems to have shrunk resulting in the filter leaking. Fortunately no damage to transmission etc. I removed the Wix garbage filter and I threw away every Wix filter I had in stock. I am convinced that Kubota OEM is the best fit and best filter. I use Kubota on my Kubota and I use Toyota on my Toyota vehicles. This Wix garbage hydraulic filter failure could have cost me thousands of dollars in repairs. The cost is of OEM is very similar and the fit and quality is optimal. I am 65 years old and I finally learned my lesson. OEM all the time.
I often find that the cross references are also not always the best options. Often their is a larger filter with the same threads and gasket od. It takes the consumer to do their homework.
I only used a "non-Kubota" filter once on my 6040 and didn't have an issue. The only reason I didn't use a Kubota filter this particular time was because I bought every filter for the machine and somehow ended up with 2 fuel filters and 0 oil filters and of course it was a Saturday afternoon after the dealership closed when I discovered what had happened. Now that I've got my new M5-111 I intend to keep it all Kubota even the motor oil. BTW who acutually makes Kubota motor oil?
@@BWIENS789 Valvoline oil is the base oil but then is shipped to either the plant in Indiana or Michigan for them to put their own additives in it. Yes Valvoline oil is good and will work. But if one cant afford the right oil and filters then they really can't afford to have the machine
What is the micron filtering size of each filter? Just because the element is is taller doesn't mean it filters more particulates out. It will flow more but not necessarily filter more containments
Honda tried to blame a oil filter for a o2 sensor failing. I dont know how a sensor will fail with an oil filter. Some companys will try to weasle out of anything
Is there a difference between Stanadyne filters like the Fieldmaster 100 series and the OEM filters as Stanadyne rep said some years ago that the only difference was the part number and colour but the price difference seems huge £11 for one Stanadyne £38 for OEM £8 for the primary from Stanadyne £28 for the OEM. In this case it was Cat filters for a Cat/Perkins engine
Compare Baldwin filter Baldwin also makes extended length filters more filter material on them I run Baldwin on everything from the pickup to the lawn mower and sub compact tractor all the way up to the 620 quad for both trans and engine filter
As usual, you give accurate info. You could have included Fram filters, which I believe are the absolutely worst ones you can buy. But they sell a lot because of name familiarity.
Our philosophy is that paying $4 or more for a filter that can increase the protection for a $10k engine adds to our bottom line in both equipment expense as well as staff productivity in the field. There are other ways to reduce operating costs.
The Kubota outer air filter for my B7500 is $37. The guy at the parts counter was shocked when he looked it up. He felt so bad he gave me a 15% discount. I find the price of the oil filters to be reasonable but don't understand why the air filter is so expensive. I would have expected it to be, for what it is, more in the low $20 range.
Hi, I like all your videos they are jammed packed with so much useful information. I am from Nova Canada and I have a 2015 B2650. I have one annoying problem with my tractor that my dealership can't help me find a solution. Maybe it's just me and my lack of memory. The problem is that when I apply the parking brake, I most often forget to take it off when I start driving again. I realize after I arrive where I was going that I stupidly left the brake on. I asked the dealership if there was a parking brake alarm system that I could have installed on my tractor and they said they don't exist. Do you know of a parking brake alarm that I can put on my Kubota before I wear my brakes out?
Got my Kubota Z122E with 200hrs serviced from local dealer with Briggs & Stratton pn: 695396, a short yellow oil filter 2.4 in. tall. Getting mower ready for fist season cut and even though it had only been 10hrs since last oil change, decided to start fresh. Saw your video and went to Napa with B&S filter on hand, they cross referenced it to another short filter, asked if they had larger capacity and for 3/4-16 thread (3/4 stamped next to threads) got their Platinum pn: 41348 on sale for $4.99, filter height is about 3.4 in. and its as tall as Kubota filter. Its just so convenient to purchase from Napa. Have placed order from Messick's before and you guys are just amazing, mower was missing some labels and you had them all--great online source as well--appreciate your videos! ps: changed fuel filter as well, Napa pn: 3001
you should only run oem oil filters and air filters. some makers have special valves that keep the proper oil pressure. I use a aftermarket on my foreign and the engine started knocking.
Question for Messick's Equipment. From what I can tell off of your website, you list three oil filters with the same M20-1.50 thread specification as the part number specified in the video. These part numbers are: 1.) The Kubota HH150-32430, 2.) the Kubota HH-150-32094, and 3.) the Kubota HH160-32093 (arranged from smallest to largest). Would it be acceptable to run the larger HH160-32093 filter on a system that specified one of the smaller HH150 filters? Thank you for your time.
we generally would not recommend deviating from the part recommended for your model. The threading maybe the same, but we don't know if there is a difference in flow rate, filter material, etc.
Kubota filters are a cellulose material which are prone to failure, as the cellulose is vegetable paper. Moisture will kill a paper filter. The NAPA Platinum is a Microglass filter which is the best of the best!!! Look up Beta ratings and you will see what efficiency looks like. Paper sucks and Microglass is the best.
Microglass has limitations as well though, particularly in fuel filter applications. The latest filter media technology out there is synthetic nanofiber media made with plastic polymer materials.
I have been using the absolute largest (external dimension) filters that will fit my tractors. On my Kubota MX4800, instead of the Kubota HH164-32430 I’ll use a Wix 51515 at possibly twice the volume. I hadn’t realized that the none OEM filters use cut down elements inside their filters, but I have to believe the longer physical filters have longer elements. An additional advantage of using the larger Wix filter is that I can use the same filter on my Massey 180, and my Kubota L345. The filters are located on the side of the engine, so seem well protected from damage. If you can find fault with my logic, I would appreciate knowing your reasoning. Edit: The OEM Kubota filter measures almost 3” long, the Wix filter is almost 5” long. The element inside the Wix filter is almost 4” long, longer than the entire Kubota canister. Admittedly the 3” long Kubota filter weighs more than the 5” long Wix filter. Without pulling the Kubota canister apart, it is believable that the filter element is only 2” long, 1/2 the length of the Wix filter. The larger filters match up, spin on, don’t leak, so why not use them? Further edit: I imagine the bypass rating matters. I could not find it for Kubota, but using an oil filter cross reference chart for the OEM Kubota filter, I get 3 Wix suggested alternatives: One with a bypass rating of 8-11, one of 11, and one of 16. The oversized Wix filter that I am using has a bypass rating of 8-11.
wile interesting you did not address the micron filtration differences of the filters, and thats also what they are all about, larger pleated area is not the big issue. (ase master tech)
Hi Neil, Great video, Sadly our Kubota Filters in Australia is 3-4 time the cost of your filters(and other parts). That is why we have to use Third Party Filters, Sometime 10x times more expensive then Kubota OEM. Pity you don't send them to Australia, It would save us farmers a lot of money and headache Could you do one on Kubota Oil and Third Party Compatible oil?
Lubricating oils are a very complex chemistry and lots of trade secrets on the mix of base oil with special additives. The best thing Messick Farm Equipment can do is explain the legal significance (in the USA) of when a non-factory oil claims to "meet" or "exceed" factory specs, yet never includes that factory spec on their container label. Also most warranty claims require lab testing of the lubricant oil in question, to prove if it was in fact an oil that meets all the factory specs.
Having worked for a manufacturer, we do not give out data on our filters to anyone, so the only ones who know the real capability are the ones we have make them for us and ourselves. Filtering media is very important. Even if they were the same size the media may not filter as well. Also it looked like the NAPA filters did not have as many pleats as the Kubota filter - and pleats add area. Lower media height, fewer pleats, and who knows what media filtering capability - recipe for disaster.
Is the 1365 the recommended filter for BX's? I thought it was the 1064. I use the Wix(Napa) 51064 about half the time and it is nearly the same size as the Kubota filter - I have cut them open and the Wix is slightly smaller, but comparable. The 1365 is a smaller filter and no surprise it is way smaller inside.
I use nothing but OEM parts and supplies on my Kubota. It's just not worth taking chances with a fine machine over a couple dollars saved on junk parts. But you can use Callahan Filters made by Big Tom Callahan.
I'm going to guess that not every size of wix filter is like this. There's been tons of filters that have been cut up from WIX and none have seemed to be this small in comparison to their competitors. Would be good to document which wix filters are undersized for their case though if this is more common.
I've had good results with the name brand Wix stuff, the private label stuff (Napa, et al) is a dice roll as the manufacturer is building to a price point prescribed by the brand owner (in this case Napa).
You don’t always get what you pay for, but you can bet on not getting anything you didn’t pay for! Cheap isn’t always worse, though it probably will be, but it’ll almost never be better.
Agree 100% I had a Nissan Altima where we changed religiously at Firestone since new car was new. That cars engine was filled with sludge at 65k miles. Nissan Dealer told me engine burned up $5k for rebuilt motor.. I took it to another mechanic he had it running in an hr. Sludge at the oil pump caused it. Anyway point of all that I go with original al OEM in all vehicles now. I go to the dealer for oil changes and filters. They are Specifically engineered for each vehicle , and virtually no price difference.
How about this compare brand name, Fram, Purolator , Wix, instead of a store brand produce by another company to the stores specs. Also who makes the Kubota filter?
The one problem I really have it is outsourcing, I hate seeing distributed by. I would also would like to know who made the product. I really bit me with my 1988 Chevy truck where they outsourced The front end parts. 10,000 all new ball joints and idler arm., 10,000 later the same thing this time instead of using GM parts they used MOOG they lasted. Most of the filters oil and air are outsourced so I guess it's kind of a crap game, but you don't if you lose until you have a failure.
I would like to see a filter comparison with Fleetguard anVs Kubota filters. I use Fleetguard in my cummins Dodge truck and it now has 320,000 miles. Just curious!
Some oil filters, especially in the F250 trucks, the napa filters on the diesel trucks can be shorter then factory, and not close off the anti-drainback valve leaving hard starts in the hpop.
The warranty thing is they cannot *automatically* void warranties for using non-oem parts. If they void a warranty for using an aftermarket part, they must prove that this aftermarket part the cause for the malfunction. Also,
+murph372 it varies by part number and can change. I've never heard of an actual supplier mentioned before, I know fleetguard does some stuff for them.
