NAR Vocabulary and Terminology 

I think they get that from the Bob Jones prophecy. I’ve never actually seen that in scripture either.

@@DisciplesLifestyle Thats not describing a "great revival" on earth, it is all of the people all throughout history who have ever been saved, including those who came out of the tribulation. Obviously as things get darker, the light will shine brighter BUT the type of "revival" hyper-charismatics envision is a strange hyper "signs and wonders" focused, people falling over and babbling and huge conferences. That is not a revival, it is apostasy.

@@htebazileeilsel2293 This is why it's so needed to be studied and approved. See how easy it is to take verses out of their proper context.

@@htebazileeilsel2293there were always revivals in 2000 years of church history! There was a huge revival over all the unreached countries in the last 40 years but we self centered western high theological Christians have not noticed: so the predictions came true but not as expected: David Garissons book describes those revivals in his book church planting movements. And if you studied church history in the Wesleyan revival in the Salvation Army were those phenomenons too, so relax a bit in your hyper judgmental critics!

Exactly: 1 John 2:19 19 They left us, but they were never really with us. If they had been, they would have stuck it out with us, loyal to the end. In leaving, they showed their true colors, showed they never did belong.

Yes, I've been involved about that long too and I agree.

The beautiful thing about true biblical Christianity is we’re offering Jesus as the way the truth and the life, then upon receiving the Holy Spirit we then need discernment to work out our walk with Him ✌️

We have to discerne for not all charismatic utterance is the same: we have to watch “name and clame”preachers and the “faith movement” has strongly gone astray: specially Copeland and Benny Hin! And those Kenneth Hagin’s decouple! We cannot put all things in the same bottle!

Rasputin lunacy

Yes !!!!!

Literally the same i did grow up in church but had been away for a long time and i got saved at a ministry it was awesome then a few years back a huge shift took place and as i continued to grow and mature personally and spiritually the Lord slowly started revealing to me truth im so thankful that now i have confirmation and a terminology for what i was sensing in my Spirit but lacked understanding of what NAR is...thank you @remnantradio

You guys are such children

It's crazy how much people grow up like this, I'm the 2nd person under this thread to say this was my exact trajectory. Only I'm still sifting through the mud trying to recover what's biblical and what's not. I hope and pray ppl going through these things don't become cold to the Holy Spirit, wonky churches don't lessen His power working miraculously TODAY.

Uh oh you used the word "shift"

And "Download"

"i declare, i decree" more like a provocative prayer than a declarative. "Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand; do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God." Philippians 4:5‭-‬6

Might be a little more word of faith streams ?

@@chelseybushore3740 LOL

@@DillonJan umm… declare and decree are declarations by definition. “NAR-heavy Apostle’s” who decree and declare, their words carry the weight of prophecy for whose who listen to them. Thinking about it biblically, God alone has the authority to decree and declare with any power behind the words.

Thanks Amy! Funny you happened to see that. Pretty cool :)

And even there is a danger! To become over critical! There is not one Christian not one church not one movement that has the full truth, errors are found in all churches, don’t be deceived: the problem those guys could walk in is pride! We are the ones with the truth the only decerne ment!

Hi, what database is this?

@@lema2262 We are putting together transcripts from sermons and online discussion posts to look at topics related to religion and right-wing extremism. Still a lot of work to do to get this all assembled. Probably the first sermon results will appear in grad student work and conference papers over the next year. Some work will be "big data" while other pieces will be detailed analysis of text.

@@statisticspenguin9371 is this related to all religions like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism or just those that profess Christianity as their religion of choice?

@@andrewhambling Sermons: Primarily Protestant, both conservative and mainline. Also have some web broadcasts. Extremist web sites: Multiple religious traditions, through all the sites are English language, which limits the amount of non-Western material.

@@statisticspenguin9371 What about left-wing extremism?

We believe in portholes...on ships. They run about $40 on Amazon. - J 😉

Exactly. Discernment seems to be a one-way street with most of these people.

Yep. Just like the folks who call out "right wing" apostasy but ignore or promote "left wing" apostasy or visa versa..John MacArthur is SO incorrect on many different things and idk why anyone listens to him.

We should stay far away from conforming to and identifying as ANY denomination and simply be followers of the Way(Jesus). Sectarianism is sin and carnal!

@@htebazileeilsel2293 1 Corinthians 3:4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings? What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe-as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I agree, but yet.. I can see why we have them? We do have different “expressions”, however, as believers, let’s not take our preferences and comforts and elevate them over others. Like “Baptist are so much better then Pentecostals because of they’re reverence of the word of God” that’s not true of course- both churches elevate different points of scripture and they’re style of worship is formed out of that.

@@chelseybushore3740 "For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are *divisions* among you. And I believe it in part, for >there must be factions among you< in order that those who are >genuine< among you may be recognized." ** 1 Corinthians 11:17-19 We need to implore followers of Christ to turn away from denominationalism if they truly love and follow Jesus and allow the Scripture to teach us and correct us and get us on the same page. We must seek God for wisdom together and know Scripture intimately. Jesus told us that the Holy Spirit would "guide us into all the truth" Paul also wrote: "I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, **that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you,** but that you be >>united in the same mind and the same judgment."

God is teaching you. We learn from rejection, misuse and abuse. God has a higher goal in our lives than just our well being. We are soldiers in his Armee, so he trains us as recruits, to stand and fight. We get hurt in order to forgive and love, we get deceived to learn to descerne etc so go on hold to the lord and be strong in him!

It is a " gift " from God. You cannot train for it or " claim " it, the same applies to all the other gifts of the Spirit from God.

@@sianpearson9927 when I received a new bicycle for my birthday , I still have to Learn to ride it

​@@Henriette-van-der-Ende exegesis over eisgesis. 🙏

Hi dear brother, when prophecies are spoken out of somebody that never means they all come true. Prophecies are all conditional: “if you stay in humility, if your heart stays teachable, if you follow the Lord etc etc etc…. What happens with Todd Bentley is very simple: because his extraordinary gifts he has been put in a place of authority to soon! And instead of fathering him, people started to follow him like a guru then came pride into his heart, with the pride unteachability and he was not tested and corrected so deceiving spirits could enter in! That happens When a young Christian is given an extraordinary gift, he needs a extraordinary subordination under a spiritual father or mother, instead those people are given authority in the church no submission and that is the ideal place to bring a gifted person to fall and with them all the congregation that follows the guy: be aware of the spirit of Absalom.

@@grace4peace ⁠ Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺. Thank you for your reply to me personally. I truly appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on Todd Bentley. Your answer is predicated by the presumption that Todd had some form of extraordinary gift from God. How is it possible that our thrice Holy God would give a gift to someone that was a false teacher and an antichrist? We know that many say they are anointed as did Todd, but was he? Jesus told us we shall know them by their fruit. Matthew 7:15-20 | NKJV 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Todd's fruit was rotten/bad fruit so clearly, he was NEVER a good tree but a bad tree. Otherwise, he would have produced good fruit as Jesus explained so clearly to us. Todd would talk many times about being anointed or feeling the anointing and he would shake his head from side to side so as to make people think he was feeling the Holy Spirit upon himself. But the Bible warns about people that claim of being anointed. Matthew 24:23-24 | NKJV 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christ’s and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Secondly you also assume he wasn't mentored or fathered. He was involved in ministry way before we saw him with tattoos and biker boots. He was a clean-cut young preacher (no tattoos and no biker boots) as far back as 2001 travelling around the world as part of the fresh fire team with very well know charismatic leaders. That's why he was such a sought-after speaker at different churches because he was friends with them all. A lot of people assumed he had a wild past of being a bad guy biker in his youth and raising hell but no, he was a clean-cut preacher man when in his early 20's. He seemed to have changed his persona along the way to be more cutting edge to the youngsters and gullible people that would assume every word that came out of his mouth was truthful. The facts are he was already in trouble with the law in Canada for being a child fiddler as a teenager. Now that should have set off some alarm bells and had some red flags waving for anyone with any modicum of discernment but not for everyone involved in the prophetic ministry. They didn't have any inkling that anything was wrong with him. You would have to seriously ask the question about the whole prophetic movements ability to discern or exert any kind of legitimate authority by realising early on he wasn't qualified for any type of public ministry. Same could be said for Mike Bickle and ihopkc too. So much for any word of knowledge in that community. Thirdly, you say to be aware of “the spirit of Absalom”, why? Isn't he dead? Why must I be aware of his spirit if none of the New Testament writers warned me about a thing such as the “spirit of Absalom”? The epistle of James does mentions that we are tempted when we are drawn away by our own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. In relation to Todd, he most probably had an ulterior motive as to why he wanted to be involved in the particular ministry he was involved in as to wield his influence via his manipulative methods of persuasion. Unfortunately, not much discernment in the prophetic movement that could see how unqualified he was for any ministry role. Many that profess to be Christian are illiterate to biblical orthodoxy. Not understanding basic fundamental doctrines nor understanding church history and particular heresy's that the church has dealt with in the course of history. Some people will just believe what any “preacher” tells them on the stage instead of asking one simple question, is this preacher rightly handling this text of scripture? In its context?” Other questions one may consider also; Are they faithfully exegeting the text? or is this a good example of eisegesis? Are they giving a proper distinction between law and gospel? Am I hearing about Christ and His finished work or am I hearing anecdotes? How many stories have I heard about what this “preacher” did at some other time and in some other place? The whole Lakeland “revival” was a complete failure in absolutely every facet. How no one in the charismatic community has done a whole exposition or documentary on the whole thing as to avoid anything like it happening again is beyond me. It should be dissected and studied and taught so as to know exactly how to never do a “revival”. Thanks again for your time. God bless, Andrew.

Perfectly stated.

When I hear C.K. I think of this quote from Bob “Anytime you learn, you gain.” - J

@@RightlyDividingDogLover This is the truest thing I've heard all day

Very valid point. NAR is more concerned with dominionism and an end-times transfer of wealth. The missiology is as wrong as the theology.

When I meet a self proclaimed apostle, I ask them who God told them to go to. If apostle means sent one, they should know where they are sent. I still think missionary is the same thing but most of the time, without any power.

Vineyard isn’t NAR though bro. Even Baptists scholars that hate us write about how we aren’t NAR. But in the 90’s I was in a fundamentalist youth group so I can’t speak to what vineyard was like then.

@@mikefoster7366 Vineyard isn’t technically NAR. However, the Vineyard is what is considered “pastor led”. This means the pastor can run the show how they want with little to no oversight, save for an “elder board”, which is usually comprised of yes men. This means, if a pastor is influenced by NAR theology - it will be promoted. There is so much crossover between Vineyard/Bethel/IHOP/Morning Star/H-Rock/PIHOP. I was attending one Vineyard where people like Todd White and Georgian Banov would regularly be invited to speak. And there was so much hype and build up about “this person being an apostle” so “ooh ahh” and “do whatever they say”. There was a gross “don’t speak against the Lord’s anointed” culture. The “prophets” were treated the same. I still attend a Vineyard and it is definitely not NAR but we still get guest speakers from time to time that are blatantly from NAR circles. So yeah, Vineyard may not be “NAR” but Vineyard is definitely in bed with NAR, with little pockets of being un-NAR. This is coming from a middle aged lifetime of first hand observation and experiences. Some good, some wicked, mostly deceptive and confusing.

@@jonb1671 oh got ya man! Yeah I’ve been a little disillusioned lately as I’ve learned many vineyard churches aren’t like the one I’m at. Our Pastor changed our bylaws when he came on to make it so it’s not pastor led. But I understand what you mean now, thank you man!

It's a sign of the end times

Yeah...they are called priests🥰.....the catholic church is the one true church.

Totally agree. Plus, not all missionaries plant churches. I’ve been a missionary for several decades. I’m not an apostle. And I’ve never planted a church. Not sure if that’s a thing in his church??? Plus plus…not all missionaries are actually ‘sent’. They just go for many reasons.

So great. lol.

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I will not tell you what to do, but I can tell you what I would do. I have a long history in nar, but have recently woken up to a lot of error that I was a part of. I, first of all, did a lot of research into my church, and what they really believed. I was honestly shocked. Then I started questioning things, and then I was ghosted bad. I think if I had stayed, I would have have been thrown out, for questioning authority. I am not saying your church is like that at all, but it doesn't hurt to ask questions. Blessings to you, may God give you grace.

If spiritual gifts are manifestations of the spirit given for the common good of the body of Christ, i don’t think unsaved individuals can have them. They may have unique abilities (i’d argue everyone has at least one thing they’re really good at), but i’d explain that as an innate ability or a learned skill or a personality tendency.

People can have supernatural abilities and experiences but if it doesn't honor Christ it's from a demonic source. All pagan witchcraft, sorcery, divination is demonic in nature that's why the scriptures condemn it. If someone sees the dead or something like that and claim it is from God, ask them about their background, if they ever did tarot cards, ouija boards or stuff like that. By dabbling with these things you open yourself up to demonic oppression and by repenting from it and deliverance prayer you can deal with these influences in people's lives.

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Interesting question. I've always wondered about Deere's "baptism of the Holy Spirit" but no need to speak with tongues. Just wondering.Deere from the SB Seminary may have an underlying prejudice against tongues as evidence of outpouring of the Holy Spirit? Can you really train and teach prophecy as the utterance comes unbidden and often with just a few syllables. So after Deere visited a Methodist Church, many without Baptism of the Holy Spirit in the traditional sense began to prophecy and to hear from God--- by some holding the pencil and listening and writing, really a slippery slope. Of course, the tongues may not be the may stay of the Baptism. However, one still needs to ask Jesus with the Baptism of the Spirit and of Fire as John predicted.

Joshua has a background in the assemblies of God but I don't know if he identifies with that denomination anymore. I think one of them is some sort of charismatic Baptist as odd as that might sound. I think they would both identify as second wave charismatics but don't take anything I'm saying to the bank. This is all just from my memory and I apologize if I misrepresenting anything.

I (Josh) belong to a SBC church, I no longer hold to multiple distinctive of the AOG. Both of my cohost are apart of non-denom churches. Roundtree was just adopted as the new pastor of Bridgeway church in OKC. I’m not sure if they have a denominational affiliation.