Narcissism & 3 Types of Empathy | DIANA DIAMOND 

emotional contagion: I see you crying and I feel sad and maybe cry too as a result - your feeling becomes my feeling. emotional empathy: I see you crying and I can imagine the sadness you are feeling - your feeling is yours and not mine. cognitive empathy: I see you crying and I know that means you are sad. I might then see that as an opportunity to exploit you as you are in a weak position. I think this is akin to what Sam Vaknin calls 'cold empathy'.

If we are concerned about abuse, *both* highly empathic people as well as "narcissists" can be abusive/manipulative. Someone's level of empathy is not what dictates their level of respect for boundaries. In other words, the most meaningful kind of empathy one could have is the ability to sense and respect someone else's expression of their autonomy and who they are. And both "empaths" as well as "narcissists" can struggle with this, or even sense it and not care.

Amazing..that first type of empathy sounds to me like the one people who tend to call themselves "empaths" have.

For me, my beginner yrs of life were very stressful with my both parents being cluster B’s but so I was mostly taken care of by my grandmother & great grandmother….by 6yrs I DEFINITELY started exhibiting ADHD, anxiousness, perfectionism etc.

Great series!

Extremeley interesting video!!

I relate strongly to the first one. Any other empaths out there that feel the same? I typically feel this way depending on how close I am with the person.

I definitely fall into the first category, even subtle feelings I pick up on. It can be a really good tool for connecting with people, but it’s absolutely exhausting at times

Spot on

If I hadn’t had my grandmother with the ability to emote, unlike her husband, my household would have thoroughly broken my psychology to pure empathy-deficient cluster B psychology….!!!!

I think whatever the level or type of empathy you have, as long as you DONT seek to exploit, it's fine. You will be bearable to be around. Don't expect people to rush to you with their problems and profess their connection to you. If you are fine not hearing those things, you are okay. Just roll with it. Just don't exploit. I cannot say I have emotional empathy in all situations. When I have not been through a situation myself, I have to switch to my cognitive empathy to try and imagine what it would feel like to have gone through it. Sometimes I can imagine it other times I cannot. For example when my friends who are parents to newborns complain about how difficult sleepless nights are or how hard labour was, or their terrible two challneges, I definitely cannot relate as i am not a parent. But I still sit with that person and let them tell me. I let them have the space and the time. I don't exploit. I think may be people can switch between modes of empathy. When I am around my mum, I take on her feelings and emotional like a sponge and I become overwhelmed sometimes. For example, when she panics about something, I notice myself start panicking when ordinarily, in that same situation, away from her, I wouldn't.

Interesting 🤔 video

It’s all the effects of stressful low income or no income participation under global dominance of Centralized CURRENCIES!!!

The subtitles autogenerator thinks it's in Russian. Could you help to change to English?

I wish there was more information about dealing with a child with NPD. 💔

Heritability??? I would love to hear the specific genetic markers. I've never heard anyone state there are known genetic markers that are passed along in the DNA.

Vaknin says traits of narcissism are passed from primary caregivers (usually mom) to offspring unknowingly and that this occurs from 18 to 36 months of age.

Can a narc have emotional contagion because they make it about themselves?

Emotional contagion is common among narcissists specifically with their loved ones.

I'm confused between the second form of emotional empathy and cognitive empathy, could someone expand.

It's a choice I've seen my narc friend lack empathy with everyone but her child

Can empathy be learned/taught?

A genetic component?! Weird! I’ve never heard that before.

Could a narssictic person, politely be asked to watch these post?

Vulnerable Narcissism, plus TBI, and maybe Borderline traits = Has HIGH CONTAGION EMPATHY but it's fleeting and gives way to callous and even cruel???? I'm VERY Confused. As to how this applies to the man I Loved (in fact LOVED) and almost married -- and am now am running away from... 😪😔😓 In so many ways person I'm trying to get away from seems like that dazzling, charming. brilliant, Seeminly deeply loving but then Ultimately terribly exploitive and abusive vulnerable narcissist. And yet -- he had a massive traumatic brain injury at age 10, and still has a plate in his head, and, like All of his Emotions, his Empathy of the 1st kind, contagion, is so high that it's actually bizarre. He cries very readily with a strained Grimace and a sound like stifled sobs (though rarely any tears). His crying looks and sounds like Arthur Fleck, the JOKER protagonist, like his Pseudo Bulbar effect laughter. He's been accused of laughing during tragic movies because his stiffled sobs sound like laughter. (He actually can't be inside the chapel during funeral services because he'll cry uncontrollably and the sounds he makes are so intense that it's distracting to mourners, so he has to stand in the doorway and just say Hi to people as they go in and let them know that he has a disability and can't be inside the chapil. One night when we invited a woman who works for him (she ended up being sadly a total con artist and ripping us off in so many ways and actually helped facilitated breaking us up, breaking n up what could have been my marriage ... ...when he invited her to come stay with us because we thought she was being abused by her crackhead husband, she threw herself into my arms crying and while I was thinking about what she was feeling and caring about it deeply -- but also focusing on what could I do for her, rather than be flooded by empathy. (My empathy has become less mythical merging and more pragmatic care-taking as I've become an older and more soberly responsible person.) All that time my Fiancé was standing there uncontrollably crying. Not sobbing. No tears. But the grimace and had turns to the right and the stifled sobs sounds... So in the moment he was flooded with empathy for his employee. However fewer than 10 days later she was coming to me almost hysterical about how completely indifferent he seemed to her fate and her feelings. And he was furious with me for giving her any financial help or personal friendship. And I've been in situations with him where the fact that I'm crying is something he's actually contemptuous of com up the fact that I try to let him know that hes becoming violent in our fights and I'm getting injured is something hes contemptuous of and telling me I'm faking it….. all those signs of a pathological narcissist. Specifically my late husband was a very successful grandiose nurses it was a successful psychologist and author, and I'm coming to understand the so called prosocial narcissist because he actually contributed a great deal to the world at large but he was unbelievably difficult to live with and always had to be right and it was terribly judgmental and it could be Rudely unkind. But he understood the limits of reality and he understood that if you hit the woman you claim to love there's something profoundly fucked up about that and the world will never forgive you nor will your the woman you love. Even if she acts out a little bit and flails her hands around her and it pushes her pushes you in the middle of your chest with their palms in war of a dramatic gesture of violent emotion than an actual act of violent assault with any ability or intent to harm. My late husband understood that he as an alpha male could easily lose control and genuinely hurt me. And in the very early days of our living together that almost happened and he said we have to get control this or it'll destroy our relationship and he pointed out to me that the way I attended to physicalize my angerWas triggering him and that this could sweep us both up into a domestic abuse type scenario that would again destroy our relationship. So in other words he had the rationality to understand the limits of what a relationship can bear. And that you know if something like that were to happen it would be terrible and it would make it impossible for us to have the relationship we want to have and travel the world together in right books together. Somehow on the other hand the less functional vulnerable narcissist just thinks I think I'll get drunk and well you know if I hit my girlfriend that's too bad I guess I'll have to work on that with my therapist and figure out why I'm doing that period anyway My confusion stems in the fact that because of the traumatic brain injury his motions are extremely close to the surface he can't listen to a sad song without cry he can't see a set a beautiful scene in ATV show without crying he can't think of a appointment line from a Shakespeare play without crying. Thus one would think and I thought that he was the most sensitive person who ever lived. I thought he was the sensitive soulful deeply understanding antidote to the grandiose nurses that I've been with for 22 years. My late husband. On the contract. As angry as I am in many ways my late husband for all the things that happened between us and how financially hopelessly entangled with his family he left me, at least he had the good sense to a actually marry me instead of asking me to marry me and then avoiding marrying me which is quite a devious thing to do to a person, and he had a good sense to know that there could be no physical violence between us. We almost crossed that line in the very beginning of our life together and when he was cognitively messed up with parkinson's we almost crossed that line again at the end of our 22 years together.But we never actually did cross the line. We never heard each other. We almost lost control but we didn't. We were adults and we understood that some things just can't be. You can't express yourself that way. It's illegal it's immoral it's wrong it's profoundly dysfunctional. We would never have sat around drinking and yelling at each other and getting physically violent. Somehow my equally ambitious and equally financially successful perhaps someday but nowhere near as prosocially successful now exfiancee was incapable of learning such basic lessons. If you want to be a respected members of society comment You have to actually act like that period by the time the police are coming to your house on a regular basis, you're no longer A respectable CEO and member of society. You're just a fraud who's faking it. And yet getting back to the empty question-hyphen those sort of muffled cries of empathetic pain are clearly something real. I think it's the 1st type of empathy. The emotion just washes through him. But he doesn't really think about it. I'm very high on the 2nd type of empathy. I see the person's feeling it resonates strongly with me but I know that it's out there that is there feeling and I am unable to understand it intellectually and when I was younger I was more inclined to almost feel it as though it were my own as I would God there was that boundary confusion was much stronger than me when I was younger at this point in my life as my 54th birthday approaches I would say I'm very strong in the 2nd kind of empathy. I would say that my now experience is strong in the 1st kind the emotion just um Passes into him like a contagion to use the speaker's words, and I guess he must be pretty good at the 3rd kind, but in terms of just being able to see an emotion and care about it. Not just feel it in the moment and then stop carrying the next day, but to be able to see it and care about it and understand that this is a deep experience this person is suffering and their suffering matters. Maybe that's something more than empathy. Maybe that's just the next step above and beyond empathy which is morality It's probably hard to have morality without empathy but empathy alone won't make you a good person because if you feel somebody's feelings on Tuesday and you don't care anymore on Friday then what was the point of caring of ever feeling their feelings at all. You have to care. You have to care because you value the well being of others. Pardon the rent. I'm not my usual self lately it's less than 2 months since I escaped. Wish me luck I'm determined to make the best of the rest of my life in the wake of these 2 or really if you count my mother 3 nurse decisive relationships that have so defined my reality Ah unbeknows to me these last 54 almost years of my life and.

This lady is essentially aloof to the actual workings and nonworkings of Cluster B individuals…..!

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They are not fixable, they personalities are to shattered, there is nothing there.

Between 2-6yrs old is all a human needs of a very stressful /empathy-deficient beginning of life to become a pathological NARCISSIST…!!!!!!!

These psychologists are making an income off of this problem. ……they can’t see the forest from the trees…!!!!!!!!!!