@@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455Seth got exposed for a ton of shit and most naruto RU-vidrs associated with him and are currently wrapped up in that situation so content release is slow as of late.
I'd love to see something more like what level of team 7 could handle what their masters did. Like, could Sasori fight Sakura have done as well as Tsunade at the Sannin Summit? What level of Sasuke could have replaced Orochimaru vs Hiruzen?
Ms Sasuke(Danzo fight) bare minimum the three way sannin battle Sasori fight Sakura would probably do as well rasenshuriken Naruto is needed for the three sannin clash but he would win pretty hard
Tbh, he only really started to become a kage level ninja after the pain arc was finished and started to surpass a lot more of them during the war, and when it was all said and done he officially surpassed all of them.
Completely off topic but what happened if Sasori turned every anragonists before the Kazekage Rescue Arc into his puppets? Excluding Hiruzen because he can't steal his body because there's a lot of people so let's say that Sasori took Zabuza, Haku, Jirobo, Kidomaru, Sakon & Ukon, Tayuya, and Kimimaro's body and turned them into a puppet? How difficult would Sakura and Chiyo's battle would be? And for a bonus question, how strong Sasori would be if he acquired Madara and Hashirama's body, and how strong Sasori would be if he managed to fully turned himself into a puppet and can just regenerate endlessly like an Edo Tensei?
Since I’m a Sasori stan I’ll weigh in on this, Zabuza is elite Jonin level, Haku is also but the scaling of Haku is super wonky especially in the speed of his ice mirrors, at bare minimum he’s still strong Jonin level with speed hax. The Sound 4 are fodder, Kimimaro it depends on if the puppet is at his prime or not (healthy Kimimaro is pretty comparable to old Chiyo as we see in the war) and Old Chiyo in general is severely downplayed. None of these new puppets are even stronger than Hiruko (unless it’s healthy Kimimaro), but all together? Chiyo and Sakura barely beat Sasori and that’s even when he quit, so with more he probably mauls them (unless he decides to throw the fight which he might, ppl miss this but Chiyo specifically states she chose the Mother/Father puppets to f with Sasori’s mind). If Sasori’s puppet body had unlimited regen I’d put him over even fused Kisame in the Akatsuki, and if Sasori could even control Madara & Hashis jutsu then I guess he just solos 95% Shippuden.
First of all sasori is already a puppet, he can restore his puppet body from only parts scattered around, its easy as long as his core stays in tact, as for all of the part 1 puppets, the mere fact that hirugo alone oneshot kankuro who was a jonin and the fact that a way stronger sakura still needed chiyo to take on hirugo shell sasori and the original sasori as well, that tells me that no pqrt 1 puppet really scales above hirugo like that except for a hypothetical puppet orochimaru, but having more than one of those part 1 puppet, imo i already see sasori's 100 puppets jutsu as just 100 Zabuzas already, but kimimaru and haku as puppets are rediculous tbf, sadori would still have a stronger puppet body than than hirugo> every puppet in part 1 individually including sound 4 excluding only a puppet kabuto or kimimaro, so the scalinfmg should remain the same, but im worried about the abilities that a kimimaro or a kabuto puppet might have, same with a haku puppet or sound 4 puppets which are very powerful abilities if anything else. So i still think it depends on sasori if hes depressed or no
Yooooo Sasori is one of my favorite character designs and I thought about this to myself a couple times. I love that somebody else thought about this. Kimimaro puppet would be OP and would look super cool!! Imagine if he somehow got a puppet with Mangekyo abilities too… Sasori could’ve gone crazy I wish we could’ve seen more of his puppets/abilities.
Alright I've been watching your video for a few months now and they've been so good that I've had no choice but to comment sometimes as well. This video here though, after rewatching I have decided I'm a big fan of you and your content and since I'm already subscribed if there's a Patreon I'm joining it.
Haha I really appreciate the kind words a lot man I plan to open up channel memberships very soon with a discord exclusive for them so keep an eye out for that, again appreciate the kind worss
@@ThunderGodTG I'll definitely keep my eyes peeled because at this point I literally rewatch certain videos daily. I'm actually super excited to join already and would preorder if possible lol. Anyway keep up the superb work and top tier content.
Great video 👍🏻 and I’ve been meaning to ask this but would you consider doing a video on what if Orochimaru from part 1 invaded other villages (the Cloud, Stone, and Mist) with the same Sand & Sound village army? And how would the Kage fare in Hiruzens place defending their villages? Does he clear them all?
You can be boring and say Kabuto statement that hiruzen I'd the strongest of the part one Kage but since i don't agree fully with that statement I will say onoki and ay would get pretty close to beat orochimaru and yagura would do decent but lose we already saw the sand village
@@gameuniverse5973 That statement does have some evidence though. In the war Suigetsu says that Taka (really just Sasuke since it’s directed at him) “only just now surpassed our masters (Orochimaru)”, now Suigetsu never saw EMS Sasuke fight then, and the last time he saw MS Sasuke was when he unlocked the skeletal Susanoo. So this would make Orochimaru>=Ribcage 5KS Sasuke who is very equal to A4 since they were gonna double KO eachother (I think Sasuke at the very end of the kage summit is stronger than all the Kage and Sannin).
The number of people who can beat Hiruzen in a 1v1 is small. Even in his decrepit old man form, he casually fodderized the full power nine tails with basic taijutsu. Orochimaru himself is a monster that shouldn't be underestimated. Ay is the weakest kage by a large margin, but Bee is one of the strongest living shinobi without question. That duo might put up some challenge, but nowhere near edo hokage levels of challenge. The Cloud Village would be wiped off the map. Stone? Well, Onoki is strong, but the Stone is weak. By far the lowest overall power in its roster among the 5 great ninja villages. Gaara solos the village while Orochimaru easily crushes Onoki. The Mist is an interesting question, because they're in the middle of a civil war at the time. Orochimaru could simply side with one half of the civil war without getting the sand involved at all, at which point that side definitely wins the civil war and the winning side might even be grateful to him for his help. That being said, Mei is a monster. She has the best feats of any of the kage during the 5 kage summit, Ao and Chojuro also have the best feats out of any of the kage aides in that arc. They don't get time to shine in the war arc due to being the guards for the daimyo, but Mei is also solidly putting up a fight against an immortal mega-buffed Madara without really being on the back foot all that much. The issue is that... well, the only kage that are even remotely close to matching Hiruzen are other Hokage, and the Leaf has one of the top 2 military powers in the world. Orochimaru didn't succeed at destroying the Leaf, but was close enough that you can't call it a victory for the Leaf either. What chance to the other villages really have?
Respectfully Minato is so much faster than Tobirama. He was able to throw a kunai while A was mid attack and teleport away. He was also able to teleport between 8 gates guy and Juubi Madara, and teleport away before Madaras truth seeking orbs even got through Minato cloak
He's marginally faster than Tobirama. Hashirama is the slowest hokage, Minato's not even that much faster than Hashirama. All of the top tiers are at least relative in speed. The sole exception to this being Guy while in the 8th gate, who is just comically fast to a degree that can't really be overstated.
23:46 im glad you mentioned that as im tired of people saying war arc kakashi was way faster than minato because of that sub par feat of them both reaching for obito at the same time, it makes no sense minato would have been blitz completely in base by the kamui and would have reached madara later as kamui would have moved faster than the kunai, but what happen was minato kunai got there before kakashi kamui started taking effect then minato went sage mode, if he was kcm minato level base minato speed when placing the marks would not be so close to kakashis, and you cant quantify how much chakra minato lost to the god tree, the only thing you can quantify is the mental nerf which you can argue he bounce back from or atleast is able to focus a bit better after juubito fight.
Chakra is composed of physical and mental energies. That's why being rattled or shaken has a direct impact on their ability to mold chakra, and thus perform basically any action in combat.
Good stuff but in the case of Kakashi, I think we who enjoy power scaling sometimes forget the narrative is what drives everything that happens. So Kakashi fighting along side his master (to me) is purely done in service of the narrative. It's just a cool moment that would be brought down if Minato carries during these scenes. I feel like Hokage Kakashi is around and no higher than KCM1 Naruto. I don't believe he's stronger than Guy at any point in the series and placing him near KCM2 sage mode means he's beyond 7th gate war arc Guy and I just can't see that. I'm sure he continued to train but how much could he accomplish while Hokage? Anyway, good video and it's nice to get away from the strife currently running through this community
He's amped by Naruto ones KCM2 is in play, and he certainly beats Guy once he's DMS. But post Kaguya he's stated to be stronger so he's at least above that form and wank above DMS.
hes for sure stronger then war arc 7th gate guy. both guy and kakashi got stronger then they were in the war arc kakashi was already relative to 7th gate during the war he himself stated he was surpassed only when gai went 8th gate. they are eternal rivals after all. he blitzed a person who blitzed for 4rth raikage, soloed a war by himself to show he has more stamina, and i think was able to neg a sage of six path chakra weapon that can flood a country with a countered element 4 times in a row. plus its boruto everyone is scaling to fight people like kaguya level. and kakashi is for sure a strong character in boruto being a former leaf hokage and a fan favorite. the dude made jiraiya 2.0 flee for his life hes being built up to be strong.
24:40 that is really funny. I never peeped that. But it makes sense if you say kakashi randomly enters the first gate at random when fighting strong opponents or fighting with guy and the writer just never said it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Question off the wall do you ever an to do any more Menma topics or Vergil. Probably my two favorite videos on your Channel is your Menma Analysis or you Vergil Vs Sasuke. But those are the ONLY videos on those characters. Would love to See a Madara Vs All the Movie Villains at once Excluding Boruto. Possibly the Last as well depending on how you scale Toneri. Would love to see how strong is Vergil video or DMC3 Vergil Vs Jubi Madara.
I have a good video idea Thunder God. You should do a video where you put Sasuke against all members of Akatsuki to see which members he would defeat/kill?
Naruto did surpass Jirya but your underestimating Jirya’s intellect and battle sense. He dissected Pains abilities and the rinnegan very quickly and I doubt Naruto at the time would’ve been able to do so as effectively. Also Naruto had the bonus of having the information on Pain as well.
Although that's True, Sage Naruto is still undeniably stronger. And to be honest i don't see Sage Jiraya doing as well as Sage Naruto at Konoha even with Intel. Naruto basically oneshot all the paths besides Tendo while Jiraya admitted he was basically helpless without the frog song against 3,and got his arm blown off by the Ashura path. Basically Sage Naruto:raw power, Better AP (Rasenshuriken) and better senses. Sage Jiraya: smarter, better fighter and more Jutsy
@@OK-yy6qz 1) pain wasn't trying to kill naruto, 2) he used a lot of chakra fighting the village and blowing it up, 3) naruto had the intell, 4) nagato was far away from the paths so he coldn't use them at their best, 5) nagato was weak from using the rinnegan too much, not at his prime, 6) naruto was reverse summoned with all the toads possible, it's debatable if he could do it by himself,, the only disadvantage pain had against jiraiya was the sickness part, so jiraiya would absolutely have done better than sage naruto, there wasn't a massive difference between them in terms of power, but there was a massive difference between them when it comes to experience, narto surppassed him in kcm, because the power buff was so big it doesn't matter how much experience jiraiya has.
I like you pointing out the comparability between base minato and tobirama, becausa man do people think that just because minato is faster it is like him running circles around Tobi when for what is seen in the juubi battle that makes 0 sense.
What we seen was minato going through a stage 5 anxiety attack since he realized obito attacked the village all those years ago and he just speed blitzed him and killed him on accident
Hey great video, so do you think hokage kakashi is stronger than hokage minato? Because when u came to talk about hokage kakashi you compared him to a base edo minato also a bit to kcm but u proved minato was faster and other scenarios that minato where minato was faster so how is hokage minato compared to a weaker naruto (initial kcm2 to kcm ch595) while.hokage kakashi is kcm1.5 to kcm2 sage mode naruto?
@momotheone9700 maybe but still isn't he feat less plus we don't know how much stronger he gets, also that's being compared to a base alive minato what about with sage mode?
@@spartagaming6210 tbh idk about with sage mode because minato in sage mode toon a direct taijutsu kick from six paths madara,and you know like when you take a great deal of damage from a more powerful opponent in edo, the edo body would discipate and had to be reform, none of that happened with minato, he straight up kicked it qfter moving faater than kamui for the second time.
What I will say about Tsunade is that the Susanoo she broke was the ribcage and the one Madara used on the cataclysm is the full body so I doubt Tsunade is that string considering she could only knock down full-body Susanoo clones during her fight with Madara alongside the Kage.
It was a live stream I’m not gonna post about it like everyone else is for clout especially when I gave my thoughts and have zero association with the events, it’d be easy views but, I’m good on that. I gave my thoughts on stream and we’re gonna keep it moving.
@@ThunderGodTG Ah, is that right? I only watched like 20secs of it (not sure if it was starting or ending) but had to go to work and totally missed it. I was looking for it on your channel or NH's but couldn't find it, which is why I was asking.
I’d say Kyubi Naruto for Tsunade. People overestimate Pain Naruto. Naruto ran out of sage mode relatively quickly and needed to summon two clones using a scroll to gain it back. Paine even attacked him and stopped him from doing it originally until he threw it to pa to help. So Naruto would be without sage mode for a few seconds and tsunade would do a ton of damage. In sage mode he can do two rasenshurikans before being exausted. One of the paths he killed was in a surprise attack when it went after tsunade so it wasn’t prepared. And If not for the prep ahead of time allowing
Given the recent events in the anime debate community I will am subscribing to you, I can’t in good conscience support Anyone affiliated with Seth the programmer
Ms Sasuke:pass pre war arc Tsunade and old hiruzen Ems Sasuke(initial):pass war arc Tsunade,Gaara,raikage,and Mei individually Ems Sasuke(Juubito fight):pass Tobirama,hokage Minato,onoki,and Edo Hiruzen Ems Sasuke(sage Susanoo):pass kcm Minato,hokage Kakashi,base Hashirama Six path Sasuke:beats full power Hashirama and the rest of the Kage except Naruto
Rasenshuriken Naruto:pass shisui Sage mode Naruto:pass hebi Sasuke,white zetsu Obito,Uchiha massacre itachi War arc sage mode Naruto:pass Ms Sasuke and sick itachi Kcm one Naruto: equal to ems Sasuke(initial) Kcm two Naruto:beats Edo itachi,ems Sasuke(initial),yellow mask Obito Ksm Naruto:beats ems Sasuke(Juubito fight),orange mask Obito,ems Madara,maybe Rinnegan Obito but it be extreme diff Six path Naruto:beats Edo Madara, alive sage Madara,ems Sasuke(sage Susanoo),Juubito Six path Naruto(post Kaguya fight)beats three eyed juubidara and six path Sasuke
@@gameuniverse5973naruto dsoent ever beat 3 eyed madara, he can just use limbo and then use infinite Tsukyomi Kcm2 naruto also loses to edo itachi, he dsoent know any selling sbilites and would either eventually get onrshotted by the sealing sword or just eventually tire himself out.
@@coin4898 Naruto boiling release beat Kaguya who stated stronger in chakra than Madara with chakra being used to amp your stats Naruto five thousand clones would mean even if you wank 3 eyed juubidara on having more limbos even tho there only still only four shown it would be 16 vs five thousand clones Naruto rasenshuriken barrage heavily damage Kaguya and he blitz her straight up cutting off her arm He has ashura mode with indra Sasuke being stated the strongest he ever fought six path Naruto dog walks three eyed juubidara
@@coin4898 kcm2 Naruto can just summon a toad after beating down Edo Itachi hard which we see what they did with the third raikage who dint recover immediately since he took a harsh blow with ma or pa sealing him or just frog song him
Okay I've never understood why everyone is so confused why Naruto and therefore Sage Naruto got a crazy buff in the war arc (everyone else's war arc buffs make no damn sense unless theh are using those food/Chakra pills from part 1 Kiba used and Kakashi later referenced) and I'll explain: during the rasenshuriken training Kakashi told Naruto his Chakra levels as they were were 4x Kakashi's and would be 100x's if he wasn't have to use most of it to restrain the Nine-tails. So. Once Naruto mastered/dominated the Kyubi... The Chakra he wasnt able to access is suddenly free. His BASE Chakra, which was still enough to enter and use Sage Mode effectively, he has access to with even better Chakra control and strength because it wasn't being used to suppress a tailed beast went up 25x's what it had been the entire series. And as we know Sage Mode is taking your Chakra and balancing it with nature energy to produce sage Chakra. More quality and quantity regular Chakra = more quality and quantity sage Chakra. That's also why I think people don't understand the difference between Kcm2 Naruto and KCM2SM Naruto. He throws sage mode on top of the Kcm2 levels and potency of Chakra. It's nuts.
It sucks that Tsunade is the only hokage that doesn't do well in most fan matchups against characters the other hokage can scale to. I love Tsunade, could you do a video on how you would make Tsunade's skillset so that she scales to the other hokage?
She is amazing, its just her Speed and Durability so to speak, Insane Regen but not alot to stop attacks for instant murder like Minato its hard to counter. She is the one with the best utility jutsu out of all them with the healing and helping stuff. Also might be a bit to much of the Fandom being instant know what to do against a regenerator cut off her head. I would put her over Hiruzen based on feats, even if the man has a suicide attack.
@@SuperWindsage oh yeah she is definitely on their level in general power. Far surpassing in utility and healing. But offense it's always tough to debate her in a matchup. But she definitely is > part 1 / war Hiruzen to me
Tsunade's extremely strong. Minato literally has no win condition against her. She could play defense the entire fight and still win because Minato would die of exhaustion before he damaged her... and that's without factoring in that one hit kills Minato instantly. Kakashi has a better matchup against Tsunade because of his insane versatility, but we're still in a situation where he can't actually kill Tsunade, especially not without turning into a pink mist with her counterattack... and then she heals up that "lethal" damage. Hiruzen has the attack potency and range to beat Tsunade, so he doesn't have to play russian roulette with her counterattacks. Hashirama is in the same situation, and so is Naruto. Tobirama is just a superior version of Minato, everything Minato can do, Tobirama can also do, but Tobirama can do things Minato can't, and that's why he has a chance to beat Tsunade. All of the hokage are somewhat relative to each other, except for the outliers. Naruto>Hashirama>Hiruzen/Tobirama>Tsunade>Kakashi/Minato. There really aren't any arguments that can be used to say that ranking is wrong either. That's kinda just what the series shows us AND tells us.
about base Tobirama being comparable to base Minato, during the war arc Minato had a mental nerf due to his shock from seeing Obito evil. This is characterized by a torn picture in the manga (I think). Therefore however much he was nerfed, that nerfed Minato is comparable to Tobirama, but saying in general base Minato is around tobi in speed is disingenuous. Also the scan you showed doesn't even show Tobirama 'keeping pace', Flying Raijin isn't body flicker, its instantaneous movement. So him 'keeping pace' isn't even him 'keeping pace'. The thing they do isn't even Tobirama's flying raijin it's Tobirama's and Minatos! If that wasn't enough, Minato is shown in BASE without KCM CLOAK, being able to use flying raijin tons and tons of times in the same fight, Tobirama only ever used it to set up special moves, it will NEVER be his main technique because it is way to Chakra consuming. Also Also Also, Minato has other sealing jutsu other than the reaper death seal! And a chakra supply comparable to a flippin uzumaki! sorry no Tobirama is nowhere close.
I agree with Minato being in a Daze but he breaks out after Naruto fistbumps him, even after that Tobirama can move ~ To EMS Sasuke and 1.5 KCM Naruto both of which heavily scale above Base Minato, Tobirama can use Flying Rajin in a fight like when he reacts to Rinnegan Madara and such, so even if I ignore all of that he still has solid scaling.
@@ThunderGodTG Not a bad take, it’s just that you’re main point was, “sense tobirama was just as useful in battle as Minato he must be same speed as Minato,” but all of tobiramas feats you cited were in conjunction with other Shinobi, and he had infinite chakra because he was an edo, alive base tobirama vs alive base Minato is a stomp, so is edo Minato v. edo tobirama, usefulness in battle does not equate to attack potency. And like I said before you can ‘keep pace’ with anyone for a time if your movement is instant, which tobi could only use multiple times like he did in the war arc, because he was an edo. Not only that you also said them having similar speed makes them equal in base doesn’t work here either because you don’t acknowledge Minatos feats in other things other than speed that Make him way stronger that you’re giving him credit for. You're being a bit biased. Minato also has the rasengan, Odama-rasengan(which some people forget), all five nature transformations, single handed hand signs, uzumaki sealing jutsu, almost instantly can enter perfect sage mode, has frog summons, a huge chakra pool like I said before, and his drip is emmaculate. He even has a extremely high battle iq on par with kurama, kakashi, and itachi. I will admit tobirama is very strong and he does get downplayed a lot, don’t get me wrong, but we’re talking about minato here, who had half as much chakra as the f*cking nine tails when he died. Let's say this is a versus battle alive base minato v. alive base Tobir, Tobirama uses flying raijin once and his chakra gets super depleted. While minato can use it dozens of times and brush it off like its nothing, Tobirama uses a water style jutsu minato dodges it instantly throws a kunai past Tobi teleports behind him and tries a rasengan, Tobirama can obviousely dodge the first one, but minato fights super blood lusted so hes going to keep the pressure on, and since using flying raijin depletes Tobiramas chakra and Minato has high battle Iq he'll at some point notice this. He just keeps pressuring him with flying raijin and then when Tobi is out of usable-chakra, and lord 4th goes in for the final attack. They are on par in speed for a time, but eventually tobirama has to fall back on body-flicker which WILL NOT beat minato, plus minato has neged a biju bomb, so tobirama basically has no viable jutsu in this fight he can come close to damaging minato with. This fight isn't close, Tobirama is much more comparable to B with like 2 tails and flying raijin with emaculate water style, not base Minato.
I don't agree with the scaling for Kakashi as a Hokage since in Boruto anime, Kashin Koji believes Kakashi to be a threat on his life and ran away after a brief scuffle. The same Koji who killed 10% Jigen and we all know 100% Jigen stomped both adult Naruto and Sasuke. Even if Kakashi is 7-8% Jigen (weaker than Koji but still a threat to him), that scales far higher than anything in the ear arc except maybe six paths.
I don't agree with this I know exactly what scene you're talking about this, that's also Boruto era Kakashi 10+ Years later not even the same as Hokage Kakashi
@@ThunderGodTG okay, discounting the fact that this version of Kakashi isn't Hokage anymore, what do you disagree with in terms of scaling him to Koji?
@@austinwinston1231 Well you would have to prove that Koji was taking that fight seriously as all they did was a basic taijutsu exchange. Then Kakashi went to use purple lighting and destroyed the Koji clone who let himself get hit due to already obtaining the intel he needed. plus it is implied by Shikamaru before the fight with Momoshiki that the five kage plus Sasuke are the strongest teams the village has access to thus putting the kage above Boruto-era Kakashi overall. Not to mention he barely does anything in Boruto and early on it seemed like he retired which wasn't true but still in the manga he's just not around.
Reaper death seal was specifically used by Minato to split the 9tails chakra to be sealed into Naruto to use as a weapon, because Naruto couldn't have handled the entire thing. At no point was it ever suggested that he lacked other sealing jutsu against the 9tails chakra. Minato is specifically shown able to use a 8 trigram seal to lock 9 tails chakra into Naruto and allow him to access the chakra, requiring Naruto being given access to unlock it prior to being able to use his chakra control kyuubi cloak at all. Minato also severed the control of the 9 tails from Obito with a seal. Minato's sealing techniques that are NOT reaper death seal are shown to smoke the 9 tails no diff
Minato literally says this word by word: "It's just not physically possible to seal it completly". I have no ideia where you got the "Minato's techniques that are not reaper death seal are shown to smoke the 9 tails no diff". Please present a single argument wich proves that Minato can actually seal the 9 tails away or even seal a basic edo tensei.
@@lipe9039 yeah its physically impossible to seal it completely INTO A NEWBORN CHILD duh, plus minato was completely fatigued when he sealed that one half into his body how would it be if it were him fresh?
@@dontmisunderstand6041It was said by him honestly for plot purposes. Let’s be real here, he could definitely handle sealing the full 9-tails in him considering his chakra reserves in relation to the types jutsu he uses. But the plot had to have him die 🤷♀️
Wasn’t war arc minato nerfed mentally in the data books really hard, not to mention they made him fight with 1-0 arms the whole arc. And if he had a “bigger arsenal of Justus “ as you stated then why couldn’t he save Naruto from the god tree like hiruzen did?
What I’m saying is Hiruzen could have lunged for Naruto earlier and at a closer distance, the fact that he was off screen means it’s not usable, especially since Tobi and Minato sit there for a few moments before trying to save naruto
To be honest a more intriguing video idea is what if jubito but with both ms and no nerf vs jigen, just a dying obito with a sliver of soxp chakra could give kakashi dms which could rival kaguya briefly so A dms jubito with no nerf should be greater than even jigen right? And if you really think about it then kamui perfectly counters jigen
14:10 Saying that because he was able to sync up with minato makes him relative is like saying sasuke is relative to naruto bc they synced up Amaterasu and the rasenshuriken
In those forms Naruto and Sasuke clearly are actually do that doesn’t work, sasukes probably slightly > than that Naruto. Naruto is just > blatantly when he goes KCM 2
I do have a question? Naruto have more chakra than Kurama because if we follow normal progression that Base SP Naruto is stronger than 10 tails Madara as a teen and now he is an adult.So he should have far more chakra than Kurama.So why is loosing kurama so much of a problem?Is kuramas chakra a multiplier?Does it have multiplying qualities? My theory is that Naruto has more chakra than Kurama but Kurama has a higher chakra regen than naruto.As a result he could use a lot of chakra heavy attack continiously. again,i think Minato is under rated because if kuramas chakra acts as a multiplier then Base Minato have speed equal to KCM2 Naruto(First Use) and have superior reflex.So if KCM is a multiplier he should be massively faster.Again,we know that Minato has atleast as much chakra as half of kurama because if we follow the lore of Reaper Death Seal,one needs to have equivalent chakra to the entity he is sealing.So a fatigued Minato who transported the whole Kyuubi,A TBB,fought against obito and cancelled the contract between obito and nine tails and still have enough chakra to seal half of the nine tails with reaper death seal .So I think Minato massively underrated.Based on scaling he should be among the top tiers like Alive Hashirama and Madara or in the same wavelength.I think the series failed to potray it. 🥺please read my comment.And love your content bro.Keep working hard.
Basically he just loss a mass amount of chakra that was normally allocated to his general stats and/or jutsu, he also doesn't have an absurdly large chakra reserve in the sense that Kurama can't prepare chakra for him, his base chakra is still absurdly massive just not fused with Kurama's. A lot of people think Minato is on the level you described I definitely don't mind the stance, it's just as like you said the series never portrays it as such. Appreciate the support!
14:11 i can agree tobirama and minato are extremely relative just minato has the advantage, especially with the fact that even after the juubito fight, base minato showed incredible stuff fighting alongside war arc kakashi and so on, and the showings he had against madara the one time is awesome, but he did use ftg for that so its honestly i see minato doing something similar if he had fought madara as well, and i dont like living on this fact but minato was in a daze but its still impressive that tobirama kept up with the likes of kcm2 naruto and ems sasuke and minato though minato also reacted to the orbs tobirama teleported to juubito
I think tobirama is very relative to base minato. the crazy thing about minato though is he also has perfect sage and kcm 1-2. I'm even wondering if he can give hashirama a run for his money since tobirama is claimed the fastest of his generation and minato in base is about the same speed then stack sage, kcm1-2 and sealing jutsu to bypass his ridiculous healing since i don't think he can really hurt him in a meaningful way. dudes a monster though i don't think he had perfect sage or kcm1-2 while alive so it may not count for this video.
@@jimbobbillybo2550 good deduction minatos potential is beyond insane tbh he was 24 when he died and he was already a war ending weapon at the time and he wasnt even fully in his prime yet, just imagine if he got like 5 more years? They could not touch him
Minato got destroyed by madara in 2 hits, what showing was impressive? Lee threw the kunai, from there its easy for minato. Regardless were i dont completely disagree with you people misunderstand that part and completely ignore Lee in that aspect and give it all to minato. You also have to remember Tobirama has more chakra than KCM minato and was shown to tag obito multiple times. Id say tobirama is slightly above base minato and just under KCM minato just due to Minato having more AP since speed seems to be relative too since tobirama was keeping up with naruto and minato and obito
@@manny9191 the feats minato showed alongside kakashi after losing kurama debunks tobirama being faster than him, and no tobirama does not have more chakra than kcm minato, its arguable if he has more chakra than base minato since base minato did a relative feat to tobirama did in the war, minato teleported a full ninetails and its bijuu bomb from the village, while tobirama teleport 2 half kyubi with a huge ass rasengan. Yes tobirama kept up with ems sasuke and kcm1.5 naruto and a mental nerf kcm minato which are great feats, we see that hiruzen is still pretty much quicker than tobirama, and he acknowledge that minato is faster than him, hiruzen even somethat reacted to unstable juubito with a clone, and when tobirama teleport the TSO from minato, we see thar minato literally was having an internal monologue on what he should do with the bomb, implying while he was surprised by it, he was not blitzed by it, plus we see like ems sasuke react to the truth seeking bomb before tobirama came in and take it to obito, as for the might guy feat, its not the throwing of the kunai or even the teleporting inbetween in time thats important, its the teleporting out after turning before the truth seeking orbs can nullify your body and before 8 gates guy can throw a punch, thats what was impressive about that.
@Momo the one minato stated running out of chakra before tobirama, he literally said it to tobirama, its in the manga, and they used the same amount of abilities. Minatos body flicker is faster. Also the sasule reacting means nothing when tobiramas clone which is slower at flying raijin as stated by himself was able to teleport multiple times before sasuke could form his ribcage, yh sasukes eyes could keep up but not his body. And tobirama multiple times caught obito off guard and kishi would show this in the pannels with the exclamation matks atound obito when tobirama eould teleport. Its unfortunate he doesn't have sage mode as he couldn't damage him. But he still caught him off guard few times. Im not even talking about the mental nerf because everyone always brings it up so i mention everything else.
I haven't watched the video yet but in my opinion it goes like this. Also I hope you agree?? I mean I may be wrong too lmao. Considering you are talking about their hokage versions not there peak cuz minato and others do get a big power jump after dying. So yeah, Hashirama: KCM2 sage mode. Tobirama: KCM2 sage mode. Hiruzen ( young ): Pain arc toad sage mode. Minato: KCM2 Hiruzen (old): 4 tails. Tsunade: (to be fair he surpassed her as a kid lol but anyways I will be generous) 4 tails. Tsunade ( peak war arc): Either KCM1 or 8 Tails or maybe even 6 Tails Kakashi ( boruto): KCM2. Naruto hokage: SPSM and SPSP Teen Naruto. ( Come at me boruto fans I dare you...)
It was written that war arc raikage's speed is not inferior to minato's, edo weakened madara was easily reacting to and blitzing raikage, five kage's, kcm 2 naruto, etc, and madara said that alive tobirama is faster than himself . But haters try to ignore these things. Tobirama , madara & hashirama has way faster combat speed than minato. Minato is better at jumping further, he can cover more grounds / distance. 👍
Its never stated that raikage was not inferior to minato, its stated that the raiton armor at its max potential is not inferior to the yellow flash, its just interpreted regarding the raikage, but we saw multiple times that minato is faster than raikage even raikage consider him above any other shinobi, so raikage debunked. Minato is actually faster than madara and hashirama as well it makes sense that if tobirama was faster than madara then minato would also be faster than madara no need to be distinct with that.
Tobirama actually mentioned minato is faster than him with body flicker and striking speeds, and we see after the juubito fight minato could in base still throw a kunai before kakashi used kamui, so it makes sense that minato in base is relative and is able to do the things tobirama was doing, but as he was mental nerf he could not focused to do it.
@@momotheone9700 I understand, it was stated that war arc raikage speed is not inferior to minato's. People didn't stop training 16 years after minato died. Indeed raikage thought minato is more talented, but 16 years later in the war both raikage, bee, kakashi, guy , etc were performing at incredible speed in the war that surpasses what minato did to young young young obito. However minato arrived on battle field first because he can cover more distance with his body flicker jutsu, meaning he can jump further. But in terms of combat speed, white & yellow mask obito, kcm naruto, tobirama, hashirama & madara have better COMBAT SPEED. In a single jump minato can cover more distance that hashirama, tobirama and hiruzen , that is how he arrived at the battle field before them. but people don't understand this. If u read the manga or watch the anime you will see the hokages decending / coming down & landing on the ground, meaning that they were speed jumping , even hiruzen had his hands touching the ground. Minato has fast combat speed too but he got there before them because he can cover more grounds / distance by his body flicker jutsu/ speed jumping. But if this body flicker of his is so useful then shouldn't he have used it to one shot young young young obito. Im a minato fan , I like him alot but I dont allow my love for his character to blind me of his true potentials and limits. 👍
@@kelvinallen8214 my thing is it just does not make sense that 6 gates guy, kcm1 naruto, kakashi and killer bee are just far superior to minato just because obito was older than when he fought minato in the past, especially when minato stated than naruto needed to master the ninetails chakra to to even fight against, which means kcm2 naruto, on top of the fact that minato did handle obito relatively easily after he learned abt kamui, and his feats are compared to madaras as well, which is not kcm1 or sage mode levels at all, and its not like 6gatesguy and kcm naruto did anything special against whitemask obito that minato himself couldn't. So i just dont agree that these guys are ahead of minato even base hokage at best their at his level, which i also disagree with, as for raikage as i said it could just mean that minato got stronger between being jonin and hokage and even if raikage trained for 16 years, which was never implied its only implied he trained for 3 years, but even say 16 years, the fact that he while keeping up with kcm naruto admits inferiority to minato, means minato is not just kcm1 level raikage level cap, abd as i said like the fact that minato reach the battlefield so much quicker whether it be body flicker or not and the hokage was rushing to get to the battlefield as they knoe the battlefield was in trouble, if they were as fast as him they all would have arrived the same time, but no, im just sayin.
8:51 the thing with that is, thats more so for minatos speed and not power, the thing too is that minato is inherently a speedster moreso than a powerhouse atleast in the sense of raw power, so naruto showing as much potential as minato in mid shippuden with the sage mode and rasenshuriken does not means hes stronger yet, and you have to admit that kakashi seeing minato only after kcm2 when kcm1 was right there the whole time and he never made reference to this form being faster than minato, raikage "testing" naruto and the feats of minato not being the direct feat to kcm1, that was seen so triumphant moment not normal kcm naruto, and the fact minato saying naruto needed to Master the kyubi chakra to face obito after he himself fought obito.
@@alexanderirizarry7722 depends on the char for some it a upgrade itachi he can spam Ms abilities and have constant susanoo and hiruzen no longer has a old body which is stated to restrict him from his prime
@@alexanderirizarry7722 while for others it a nerf Hashirama who already has tons of Charkra and healing is op so the Edo healing is pretty much useless
I really hate the way that Naruto basically doesnt get stronger whatsoever in shippuden until he gets Sage Mode, like sure he makes the Rasenshuriken, but he cant use it after Kakuzu fight, so he is literally just end of part 1 Naruto with Rasengan, Clones and sometimes going Kyuubi apeshit. Then suddenly he gets a HUGE buff, which dont get me wrong, I love that, but he could have at least learned some lesser jutsu or other training. This way he is just complaining about Sasuke being stronger and doing nothing about it. Even a workout session with Rock Lee would have helped...
I think there is something to that since SM essentially perfected his arsenal. As he was forced to lay a lot of groundwork in Shippuden whereas someone like Sasuke was a lot more established due to him being more of a prodigy/having an actual goal in terms of strength. It basically completed all the work he had done prior which I do like.
Honestly idk why everyone says edo tensei versions are weaker when they are immune to dying from physical injuries and have UNLIMITED chakra. For example, Edo Tensei Might Guy would defeat the normal alive Guy because the Edo version can spam 8 gates with literally zero downside or negative effects. Same with Edo Madara being able to drop 2 consecutive meteors with zero strain.
They’re physically weaker but stronger as a combatant. Also the unlimited chakra isn’t unlimited. It’s constantly rejuvenating chakra since Minato does run out of chakra as an Edo, it just constantly comes back like when you sprint too much in a game and got to wait 5 seconds for it to run.
Honestly Naruto surpasses old Hiruzen in the pain arc. Don't even need to make the distinction between sage mode in the war arc v. the pain arc. The gap of power in sage mode between those two arcs is really big, but Hiruzen doesn't have any feats to say he could beat pain arc naruto
There are arguments Only after seeing ems Sasuke Suigetsu says Sasuke passed orochimaru with part one hiruzen being shown relative or even above that orochimaru then there Kabuto statement saying old hiruzen is the strongest of the five Kage which include a older ay who is said to somewhat match up to Minato who is said only after Naruto got kcm one he passed him
@@gameuniverse5973 Sage Naruto surpasses EMS sasuke, so that statement doesn’t matter, and hiruzen lost the fight with prime orochi! Also A would be younger meaning he would be weaker not stronger, as as you train you get stronger. Also young a has no feats sooo. Also A is compared to Minato on the sense that he’s inferior to Minato, and it’s said that kcm is faster than both. Not a bad take per say but you have to assume that hiruzen was stronger than orochi and still lost, and that sage Naruto is weaker than EMS sasuke, that Young a is stronger and faster than Minato, and that sage Naruto is weaker than orochi, none of which I think is true just based of feats and what’s implied by the narrative with sage Naruto being compared to jarayia and his fight with pain going better, and guides stating that orochi and jaraiya are equals.
@@sanic0718 ems Sasuke is stronger than sage mode Naruto wtf ems Sasuke(initial)is comparable to kcm one which has two statements over war arc sage mode
Personally think base Minato would wash Tobirama. Also Minato is stated in the databooks to be in a haze or daze after he notices Obito was masked man and we all know how much mental states tie into combat power in Naruto so basically Minato was mad nerfed which is why later in base he's comparable to MS Kakashi. Although won't cap Minato may be in Sage Mode there.
Sage mode Naruto:shusui,hebi Sasuke and below,Uchiha massacre itachi,white zetsu Obito Kcm one:sick itachi and Ms Sasuke Kcm two Naruto:all versions of Itachi,yellow/orange mask Obito,ems Sasuke(initial) Ksm:ems Sasuke,ems Madara,Rinnegan Obito Six path:Juubito and every Madara except maybe three eyed Asura mode:he beats every version of the chars except maybe six path Sasuke
I think this is fair for hokage kakashi. People sometimes underestimate how strong kakashi is as hokage and compare him to his war arc self. He's stronger, and imo quite a bit stronger. Atleast 1.5 kcm level
Heres a next video idea, why not rank the hokage based on who did most in the war, who contribute the most to the war, also rank the naruto fathers from weakest to strongest, this can be previous ino shika cho, itachi and sasukes father,kakashis father, gaara's father,kitsuchi's father, 4th Ay's and killer bee's father, Asumas dad, hinatas dad, if you wanna throw in hashirama and madara dads as well as might guys father,and ofcourse naruto's father. this would make an interested video i think, but no hagoromo or those op ass guys
Naruto dad's 1: Hashirama and Madara dad both are stated equal with them apparently being pretty strong Real number 1:Minato duh 2: hiruzen/asuma dad 3:onoki 4: choza pretty much one shot the Asura path and help against the gedo statue 4:the white fang is stated to be stronger than the three sannin in the second war and is said to have fought chiyo who fought Hanzo who pain fight Jiraiya could not believe pain beat 5:rasa is stated to be the one who stop shukaku rampage and keep up with war arc Gaara as a weakened Edo and heavier sand 6:might dai took down five or six of the seven ninja swordsmen which we see as weakened Edo there a force to be reckoned with 7:fugaku uchiha massacre itachi was not sure he could beat his dad and dude is a contender to become hokage 8:Hinata dad not much feats but he regarded as a strong Hyuga and help deflect a juubi tail 9: Shikimaru dad not much feats to go off 10:ino dad we see he not much of a fighter so
