I said the fact that he came back and got them a title says the decision was the right one. Tell me that the Cleveland Cavaliers would’ve been champions what out the decision?
The GOAT don't falter in the playoffs. No GOAT gets challenged and outplayed by a role player. No GOAT gets pushed in the back by his OWN team mate to play defense.
Stockton is so much tougher than lebron, as are MJ, Bird, Magic, and even Wade, NONE of whom ever quit or chased rings. Remember lebron's first stint with Cleveland when he wouldn't even walk past half court during a deciding playoff game loss? Gutless.
@@keithjoseph128 was Kobe clutch? F*** yeah! He controlled 4th quarters and made his fair share of game winners and go ahead buckets in regular season, playoffs, and finals.
The player empowerment era has also been abysmal for fans. We used to identify with our teams which represented our cities, which we took pride in - centered around a stable star or core that would be there for years and years, with moving parts & role players coming and going around them. Now the stars & cores come and go just as often as the role players used to, leaving fans with no real team or city pride, nothing to connect and identify with as the star/core is likely to be there for only a short time.
I agree and fans pay their hard earned money to come see the stars play and they're doing load management.....There should be a partial refund when the superstars and stars don't play because of load management ....not being injured. Jordan and the other old heads tried to play every game even with nagging injuries. Today's NBA players are soft as f!
Shame is what narcissist want to avoid..There Shame don't work like regular people..There Shame is not succeeding..They don't care about how they win who they got gaslight..The steps they got to take..Who they got to use it's about the narcissist and what he or she wants..
Honestly nowadays I keep thinking whatever happened to the days of winning a title the right way today it feels like everyone is trying to win a ring the easy way. the reason I like the Denver Nuggets is because their road to winning a championship was completely natural and organic.
@@keithjoseph128thats not the point. The guys at Denver have been together for a long time. It's as much of a family as it is a team over there. You don't get that same vibe from the teams like the Lakers...
@@keithjoseph128 the thing is many of the players like Aaron Gordon and Bruce Brown were forgotten by the NBA until they came to Denver what I meant by natural and organic is that they use the draft and they develop all their players into contributing to the teams success.
@@dacobylaw4721yall love complaining winning a cham is good enough no matter how you do it yall are hypocritical yall mock players for not winning championships
@@kaybigg U MEAN NUMBER 1 PG EVER !! STOCKTON, ZEKE, KIDD GLOVE THEN MAYBE MAGIC. BTW OSCAR WAS 6'5 COMBO SG THE ONLY REASON PPL CALL HIM PG BECAUSAE HE HAD BALL IN HIS HANDS LIKE DONCIC. TO BE PG U NEED TO GUARD OPPOSITE PG MATCHUP WHAT MAGIC, CURRY OR OSCAR NEVER DID.
@@PIP...33 u r smart mate i never see curry magic doncic and as u said oscar to defend direct pg matchups that makes em low rating in my eyes but as u statet especially kidd and payton full court then zeke and stockton on top of PG list because they are 2 way and true natuakl pg.
@@perditadurango9699 THANX. YES THATS WHY IM SAYING. MAGIC CURRY OSCAR OR DONCIC AND HARDEN ARE NOT TOP TIER BECAUSE THEY HIDE IN DEFENSE VS DIRECT MATCHUPS. GARY PAYTON IS 5X BETTER THAN MAGIC
@@manwerama I didn’t watch the video, I’m asking YOU. So called “flops” didn’t begin or end with LeBron James and it’s never been a major part of his game which is proven by his FT attempts. You sound like a Hockey fan, you definitely don’t watch basketball
@@JohnDoe-xm8wi As per Stephen A, getting Klutch Sports Head (Rich Paul) to 'harass' main media when it comes to his placement in the 'GOAT' tier list. One of the biggest and earliest examples (outside of the aging Big 3 in Boston) of super team forming and superstar recruitment. Is notorious for tampering with squad management and Front Office decisions (most recently the Russ situation). Calls himself the GOAT without real, universal appeal to that claim (People don't say you're the Lebron of something if you're the best at it, they say you're the Michael Jordan of it!) Also, the rest of the world recognize MJ as the greatest to ever touch the hardwood... that's gotta mean something you know?
What LeBron has done since the summer of '10 and his 'The Decision' is hurt the NBA and game of basketball. Everything has been about him, him and him even though he has not even been the best player in the league for roughly half of that time. He has a constant need to be on the spotlight. Even after getting swept by Denver he wanted the spotlight with his statements even though the real thing was how badly he failed in the playoffs yet again. When LeBron retires it will be the best day for basketball since summer '10. We finally will get rid off him and can start talking about other players and basketball things. The league as a whole can start its healing process.
Perfectly said, and I agree 100%. I can't wait until the day he retires, it will be so refreshing. If his team wins, it's all because of him. If they lose, which they usually do in the playoffs, it's all because of his teammates. I've never despised an athlete more than him. And him eventually winding up with the Los Angeles Lakers, was the most predictable thing of all time. Once Lebron retires, you can bank on Kevin Durant winding up in purple and gold.
I think he’s at the fork in the road where he can keep playing and killing his legacy with each passing minute that he’ll never catch the ghosts of MJ, Magic, Bird, Kareem, etc., just run up the “longevity stats” and continue to place himself at the center of attention *OR* (finally) retire and let the next generation carve out their legacies. He’s too self involved for the latter, maybe his son not being able to play professionally could move that retirement up sooner? 🤔
Rodman wasn't signed. The Bulls traded for him. They traded Will Perdue for Rodman because that's how badly San Antonio wanted to rid itself of him. Any team could have gotten him just by calling the Spurs. Rodman coming to the Bulls was not primarily MJs doing but Jerry Krause. Arguably, his best move.
"Player Empowerment" is a guise for a "ME OVER WE" mentality. This is the real poison that is killing Basketball. No Player is playing for the love of the game anymore, AND IT SHOWS.
@@perditadurango9699u mean the same decade he won scoring title, steals titles, dpoty,mvp while going against prime bird magic Isiah Joe dumars rodman Thomas Kevin McHale hakeem John Stockton kareem? Nay I compare bron 2000s finals to mjs 80s 👀
GOAT point guard imo. Magic was more versatile and the better all-around player, but he was susceptible to turnovers and ball pressure. John was the better point guard.
You can easily argue that this whole player empowerment and moving from team to team has not worked at all. Even for LBJ it has backfired because he has not won more titles than the great ones who stayed loyal. For your legacy it's also better to stick to that one franchise that you will be remembered by.
@@JohnDoe-xm8wi How would toughing it out with a single team be weak? Weak is the person that has to jump to the "Perfect" situation just to win because they know they are not good enough to do it where their at.
One of the biggest knocks I have against LeBron is as a superstar, and a generational talent. He has done far less with more than any player in NBA history. You just made an additional point that I never considered, on MJs side. If MJ went ring chasing no one would ever match his accomplishments. MJ/Magic, MJ/Bird, MJ/Barkley, MJ/Hakeem, MJ/Stockton/Malone, MJ/Starks/Ewing to name some would be virtually unbeatable during that era.
CaBron is like Larsa Pippen. She uses up the man she's with, and when he's all out of money, or too old, she moves on to a younger dude. CaBron uses up his teammates until they're of no use, then he moves on. The idea of longevity is skewed by the fact that he's constantly surrounding himself with young and relevant players, and at some point, he's benefitting from them more than they're benefitting from him.
Players used to take ownership and responsibility for their teams once they got handed the keys. It wasn't just blind loyalty it was actually more meaningful once they did win because of what they had to overcome to get there AS A TEAM
Not only that, but they wanted to beat the best, not join the best. They wanted to battle against other great players so they knew they were the best of the best.
Magic, Bird, Stockton, Thomas, Olajuwon, Robinson, Kobe and Duncan among others played their entire careers in one single franchise. Most of the ones I just mentioned won titles except for Stockton, but at least they stayed loyal to the teams that gave them their first shots. Today's players are loyal to only to two things...MONEY AND TITLES. Fortunately this mercenaries era appears to be coming to an abrupt end.
@@robjorfan3940so what, magic also wanted a trade for a very short time, when dumbass Westhead was coach........they didn't leave though so your almost is pointless. Like saying LeBron was almost a ten time champion 😂.
@@robjorfan3940 Did they leave? No Almost is hypothetical Jordan almost left basketball to pursue his dad's dream of him playing baseball Did he leave entirely? No Jordan almost played for the Blazers and Kobe for the Magic Did it happen? No You have to base on facts, and the fact is those Superstars played their entire careers in one team P.S Pippen was almost drafted by Sonics Imagine how the history of the NBA for the 1990's could have changed had this event happpened
If Stockton went to the bulls with his stats and won chips, he would be seen as top 10 all time. It's sad that people don't realize his greatness without the chips
I really liked watching Stockton even though it would usually be when Team USA were playing (not a jazz fan tbh even though the synergy with Malone was God-tier).
He's a legend I think he's like top 5 point guard of all time that man wouldn't stop moving and I was an MJ fan. He stayed with the jazz his whole career. He definitely was a beast.
The thing is that, if players want to collude and build "super teams", let them. But doing so should immediately put an asterisk on their competitive spirit and leadership as qualities. I don't even mind someone like Dame asking for a trade, but just don't sign an extension when you already believe the team is not gonna be competitive; and if you do take that money then the team should trade him to wherever they think will give them the best value in return.
But if the front office swings a trade that puts multiple all stars on the same team, does that team get an asterisk too? Or what about teams that benefitted from injuries to key players to win? Do they get an asterisk?
@@infinitymixtapes9562 Completely different situation, but I think the player superteam building should not be allowed. It kills competition and makes the league less enjoyable meaning less profitable. Who wants to watch anything when you know who'll win? They might watch it the first time, but the second, third?
@@strmshadow8411 gotta disagree with you cause with that logic, dynasties should be terrible for the league but they're not. People still watched through the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls dynasties, in fact, in most cases they watched more just to see them win (or see them finally fall).
@@msharp138 In someway it does though. The traditional way it's not really possible because they have to give up so much the create the team ie Brooklyn. But I'm also against any move that destroys a good competitive balance. I want to see the 1's of the NBA play against each other and represent their team not join their competition (Something that shouldn't be possible anyway).
Correction: Bulls GM Krause went after Rodman after speaking to Phil first & making Dennis apologize to Scottie. Jordan didn't get involved until after all of this was done. But it is true, if Krause had not traded Will Purdue to the Spurs in exchange for Rodman, David Stern would have kicked him out of the league. Facts
You miss the key point, that is what team managements are supposed to do, not for the players to decide that because they can't win a championship with a particular team they can just up and jump ship to another team just to win a ring/s...that is the trend set by the GLOAT James and copied by Kevin Durant.
@@kenneths.perlman1112 they already replace horace with kukoc best euro player final mvp what help u want more vs 1 Shaq and Penny ? MJ is nobody will never be great
I wonder if LBJ going straight to the NBA was a detriment to how he views the game. I recall the late Flip Saunders saying in an interview that getting KG was definitely a gamble bc the concern was development. Can a high school player make the transition to the NBA? Fortunately, KG was a beast for the Wolves and a champ for the Celts. Could the reason that Lebron “team hops” so much is that he never learned the importance of chemistry, patience and trusting a coach through the process - things that are heavily emphasized in college? Jokic, Curry, Kobe, Hakeem, MJ and other past champs understood the importance of building chemistry. Lebron lacks that.
That’s a great point and absolutely yes this is the case. He came to a struggling franchise and was given the keys at 18 and a green light into averaging 19 shots a game and the whole team game revolves around him. He never needed to not be ball dominant and polish his game like a player with college ball experience. Add to that a revolving door of coaches, teammates and embarrassing flameouts eventually drive him to take the easy route in Miami. Like many of you, we are looking forward to the day he announces his retirement so the league can be a little more fun and competitive again.
isn't kobe also straight out of h.s.? But you have a point, I think LBJ lacks maturity and mental toughness, some even notice that he didn't hone his skills as he got older, hence the lebrick mockery
@@carmcam1 Yes. Kobe, too, was straight out of HS. However, he did learn the importance of chemistry. At least it seems that way post-Shaq. I like your point about LeBrick not honing his skills. It’s evident when you watch him.
No it was a thing long before that. Many people who hate LeBron just don't know anything about basketball. Probably never played a game in their life. Just yelling at the tv when games are on to take out their every day frustration.
Yea but when you take into consideration that Boston’s front office made the deals that brought in Garnett and Allen, and not Paul Pierce pushing for these deals, then you’ll realize its not the same as LeBron planning to play in Miami with Wade and Bosh while still playing in Cleveland mid season.
Fun fact, during the time bron went to 8 straight finals, there were 135 all nba players in the league. 70% of them were in the west! Out of the 43 players that were in the east, 1/3 of those players played on brons teams. As good as that run sounds on face value, the truth is he had an overwhelmingly advantage over the eastern conference during that time. Hence, 8 staright appearances. They always disect jordans comp and call it mid but then champion bron for just going to the finals in a very weak east while ignoring how mid that was.
@@keithjoseph128 70% of 135 is 94.5. 135-94.5=40.5 I read there were 43 players in the east. So to be honest it was generous at giving him 3 more players in the east. Lol you ok over there?
@@keithjoseph128 huh you said it was way off. It was 3 players off giving the east 43 players instead of approximately 40. No lies here. If your mad about a 3 player difference that's a you problem. Your making it sound like it was a 30 player difference in the math.
The player empowerment era has contributed to the lack of parity in the NBA. In the 80’s and 90’s every team had at least 2-3 all star players on their roster. If you look at the majority of the greatest players that won championship’s, most of them played for only one team.
@@BallerBrain they do! Just like how Tim Duncan’s 4 other rings holds more weight than his lock out season ring! Edit: and Tim’s lock out season ring holds more weight than the bubble one!😂
Another thing about Jordan is that when he came back, he could have gone to ANY team he wanted. He could've signed with the Rockets since they were already champions in his absence, but he went back to the team he had success with prior.
Lebron did all this to only have four rings lol. If he would’ve won just one in Cleveland w/o jumping ship he would get way more respect from people. Nobody can deny this guy’s talent it’s his heart we question.
If he stayed in Cleveland he’d be lucky to have 2 rings with the poor front office he had. Him leaving allowed him to actually make a case as the greatest of all time despite being very criticized.
@@keithjoseph128 Will never know that he was spending a ton of $$ as a small market owner trying to win can’t blame him and the front office did ok they put a top 3 defensive team and shooters for Lebron to kick to
That’s a blatant lie. If he stayed in Cleveland he would have 0 rings and wouldn’t even crack the top 50 all time. Because he made a smart decision and left, he’s unanimously top 3.
Funny you said Giannis is the exception of the rule of being loyal after his recent claims, but forgot to mention Jokic that is the same age as Greek Freak and wanna stick with Denver till end of his career. This dude will never be spoken enough
Giannis did his job though, delivered a championship. Also, there's nothing wrong w. wanting your team to be serious about winning. Much respect to Jokic though. Its embarrassing how NBA talking heads always seem to want to diminish his accomplishments because he's not a high flying player.
A touch of history. NBA free agency didn't come into existence until 1988. Even then you either had to have been in the league for 7 years or played through two contracts. Prior to that, teams were compensated handsomely if you decided to sign with a team after your contract was completed. Stockton was drafted in 1984, which means he was essentially locked in for quite some time, even with the advent of FA later. Of course subsequent CBAs would change many aspects of free agency, but in a nutshell, players like Stockton were locked under the control of teams for nearly a decade. Generally, by the time of impending free agency, players were established on the team and in the community and weren't making the super contracts that followed decades later. So the probability was that said player was going to stay with their team. It wasn't out of loyalty, it was practical for all involved. Now as the years went by and following CBAs loosened FA restrictions, contracts became more substantial, more and more players moved, example: Shaquille O'Neal in 1996 which caused a stink because the Lakers had scored a megastar again with not much effort. Hell, even tried and trues like Karl Malone and Gary Payton took a ride on the superteam train. Lets not forget that Steve Nash (2x MVP) and Dwight Howard (3X DPOY, multiple rebounding and blocks leader), also opted in to play with Mr. Bryant in LA and of course the pure chaos of the voided CP3 trade, even though not free agency, but still a manipulation by the Lakers, that would've put Paul, Bryant, Gasol and Ron Artest on the court together. Gentlemen like Stockton focus on the recency and not the actions by the league, players union and many star players, that led to future players (and front offices, with league approval) being able to choose their destinations. If folks are going to hate, you need more than being saltiness because some guys decided they wanted to not work in your city.
You're intentionally cherry picking here. The stars that you mention all did that at the end of their careers, not in their prime. LeCon doesn't deserve to be defended but loathed for ruining the NBA.
@@sladewilson6924 but if bron stayed in cleveland you would be the same guy disrespecting him for not winning anything with an organization that has never experienced success before lebron. hes the chosen one for a reason, and thats why he came back and won cleveland a ring. THATS loyalty.
@@danielbyimira2033 Wrong, 🤡. Stockton and Malone never won rings either and I don't disrespect them. And you are also a liar, the Cavs had great years before LeCon was there, they just didn't win rings. LMAO!!!!!! NO ONE calls LeCon "the chosen one" because he's a frontrunning coward. He only went back to Cleveland because he could stack the deck there and that ring is fake, awarded to him when the NBA wrongfully suspended Green so that LeCon could win. FAKE ring.
Because how can you be the greatest of all time if you’re constantly jumping ship when things get bad but you want to take the glory from winning but not take the blame for losing😂
exactly. it's one thing if it's late in your career and your franchise is a mess like KG and the Wolves. but Lebron was in his prime and abandoned a 61-win team. inexcusable.
@@danielbyimira2033 oh i guess the Heat should've won 82 games then, huh? makes their choke in the playoffs even more embarrassing. 😳 imagine assembling the avengers and getting whooped by a single German soldier. oof.
imagine using the "he won a championship with three teams" as a flex, only avocado eating iphone using troglodytes who rely on instagram to live their lives can appreciate such a mentally weak freakish athlete who lacked actual education
Doesn’t that make his longevity stats more impressive if he played less than what people think? Also his most impressive longevity stat imo is never missing a playoff game. You don’t need to play 82 games every to show you have longevity, that’s not what it is, that’s durability.
@metzy1245 no cause taking breaks in the middle the grinds gives an advantage to production during the games that are played. That's why towards the end of Tim Duncan's years they were still getting high production.
@@jaymac4448 LeBron rarely ever sat out without reason, his games played every year until recently dealing with injuries has been high and close to 82 games. Him not playing in 7-8 games isn’t a crazy advantage. Mike was out for whole seasons yet his longevity isn’t the same
@@metzy1245 never sat put without reason? Fake injuries, standing around on the court, or anything else when the deck isn't already stacked. He's not motivated by legit competition. And it seems to have been that way for a long time.
A few years ago I would tell you LeBron is #1 all-time. A year ago, I would tell you he is #2 all-time. Now I question if he's ahead of Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, and Bill Russell. I value how dominant a player was in their era, how impactful they were on winning, their intangibles, and the context behind their winning.
@@Marlowe10100 He's legit not Top 10. I have Curry ranked over him & Steph is still not quite Top 10. He's legit 11-15. LBJ has to be lower than him, on the basis that GS only had 3 superteams during the KD years. Meanwhile, LBJ has been routinely doing this since 2010 Miami.
i remember someone saying that if you put an asterisk on the bubble champion then you should put one for all others for various reasons. while true then that ring would definitely have multiple and large asterisks lol
The main reason why an asterisk would be against the championship is, when just about everyone in sports didn't quite grasp the bogus lockdown and the lack of danger that it posed, players felt it best that the season should have been cancelled. LeBron James vehemently opposed the cancellation and pushed heavily for the bubble, insisting that the players should all be vaccinated for the good of the game, (hence the flak that Kyrie Irving caught for not wanting to take the jab) and it being held in LA. The effort that he as a player put into stacking that Lakers team, making it lopsided when compared to other teams, he knew that was his last chance to ever get another ring, eight teams sixteen games in round robin and having home court advantage, no way was going to be beaten so easily. That particular season was no different from when the NBA consisted of eight teams in the 1960s. We all know and saw what the end result was when the NBA returned to regular programming the following seasons, not making the playoffs, getting swept in the conference finals, some goat......got to be careful not to whisper this too loud or else the "Bron posse" will want to drink my internet blood...lmao
@@rickie0 fun fact, there were two teams that voted against the bubble and wanted to cancel the entire season. Those two teams? The Clippers and the Lakers. You really just lying for reason
@@infinitymixtapes9562 you said two team, I said LeBron, what does that tells you? He was the one who was pushing against the teams wish then, evidently the team gave in to his wish, you would find it hard to believe anything against your Bron Bron.
But he did though. Boston's big three were on the downhill part of the mountain after reaching their peaks. Miami's big three didn't peak until they got together.
@@adrianjohnson1155 this is why I don't really like the conversation because the "peak" talk comes in but what if the other teams who tried to do it before LeBron won just like the Celtics?
@@KennethArriola yes he was the face and I agree with you but he gets unjustly scrutinized for it. Charles with the rockets? Whatever the Lakers tried to do with Payton, Malone and co because they failed they are given a pass plus the "peak or "prime" conversation I understand LeBron doesn't even help himself in these conversations too but, I think people just wanna rinse him too much and use him as a scapegoat.
@@TalkToIgwe Charles was past his prime when he joined the Rockets. So were Drexler, Payton and Malone. Prime LeBum jumped teams to join up with prime Wade, prime Bosh, prime Kyrie, prime Love and prime AD: all of whom were the Alpha of their respective teams. It'a really a nonsensical comparison.
I am half with this and half against it. I’m no lebronze fan but I do respect the fact he plays out the contract he signs and doesn’t demand a trade. That’s the only thing I respect about him outside of his athleticism. My take is make up your mind and play where you want, but make sure it’s where you want to play. Don’t sign a deal and then demand a trade, that’s b move stuff.
i respect dame for at least trying to stay with the blazers his whole career it’s just unfortunate that the people above him have done so little to actually help him win a championship
The last time I watched a basketball game was when John Stockton played. Everything has changed so much. I loved the Jazz back then. Wish things could go back.
What kills me is how they talk about how dominant lebron is or how he makes everyone around him better, yet he always needs more help but always has the most help from more significant players than everyone else. And he keeps switching teams. Make it make sense.
It's quite remarkable how hardly anyone ever seems to acknowledge the fact that the Boston Celtics managed to swiftly acquire two superstar players, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. Garnett was undoubtedly one of the top two or three power forwards in the NBA at the time, and Ray Allen was the league's premier shooter. In the blink of an eye, the Celtics transformed from being one of the league's weakest teams into legitimate title contenders. Strangely, it's as if their achievement goes unnoticed, with everyone giving credit to the Miami Heat as the pioneers of the superteam concept, where two superstars joined forces and instantly became title contenders. It's almost like these two teams, Boston and Miami, exist in entirely separate basketball universes...
You have to understand that it was the first time really that the players themselves colluded and picked a destination where they would join forces. On top of that, it was three players at the PEAK of their careers. Lebron the young “goat”, D Wade arguably 3rd best SG ever, and Bosh a multiple time all star. The Celtics you mention were all guys over 30 years old, as have been most “Superteam” attempts prior to that.
The difference between the Boston Celtics getting Garnett and Allen and the Heat super team with Leflop is that the Celtics was team driven and the Heat was players chasing rings driven.
Yup, probably because nobody wants the ring; even the Celtics didn't want it. But what can I say to someone who uses nicknames like 'LeFlop' or similar, as if we're in elementary school...Throwing around nicknames like 'LeFlop' , leBrick etc...is a bit played out, isn't it? Let's rise above the hate and talk ball with a bit more originality, shall we?@@jimmulcahey9312
I’ll say this, I don’t fault Lebron for the “Decision” because it was what was best for his career, and his family. He also broke the paradigm that the owners can use up star players, not build around them to contend and throw them away once they’re washed. With that being said, when you inject him the GOAT debate however, that’s a major black mark because his competition didn’t have to do that to win. It’s all about how you look at it
He left bcs Cleveland refused to build around him, he signed a contract with Miami then came back to Cleveland and delivered what he promised wtf are all u guys on. Imagine thinking 1 ring in Cleveland would make lebrons legacy greater than the 4 he has now 🫵😂
If LeBron doesn't make the jump to Miami there wouldn't be no KD in Golden State. LeBron laid out the blueprints for getting easy rings and KD followed suit and it came back and backfired on LeBron affecting his legacy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
the problem is that a lot of people, regular fans and the media too, give lebron a pass for his dickriding other superstars for titles shtick, then turn around and bash KD for example, for the exact same thing.
I hope more and more and MORE NBA legends, superstars, top 75 players exposes the trash that entered and ruined the NBA. No basketball head or die hard NBA fans should not respect a drama queen.
You can't blame LeBron, the owners are the one's that wanted the ability to build a championship team within 1-3 years, so they had the rules changed. Now you have players taking advantage of the rule change in their favor.
Jordan would have 10 Rings, 2 3 peats & a 4peat, if he joined the Shaq/Kobe Lakers after saying he would only play for Phil since he wouldn't let them lose to the Pistons, which would've been a poetic justice perfect ending to his career. He didn't because he's too competitive and not mentally weak like LeBron. LeBron's true legacy is the Leader of the Boy-Band Generation, aka the mentally weakest generation of superstars. KD did the same thing but a little more of a bitchmove to GS. Kobe did ask for a trade and went on LA radio to talkshit about the Lakers. Vince Carter fought with the Toronto fanbase that worshipped him and asked for a trade. One of the biggest What-ifs in NBA history is what if Carter loved Toronto and his cousin Tracy McGrady enough he stayed and they developed together?
How did LeBron joining the heat show he isn’t competitive. Please tell me how to cavs could have built a good enough team to compete with the top teams in the west, because they were showing to be a poor front office not surrounding LeBron with any real talent. The Heat team that LeBron joined wasn’t an unfair juggernaut that made the league boring like golden state. They were a very good team, but also very much beatable. They needed to have some talent in order to compete with the stacked western conference teams in the thunder, spurs, ect.
@@metzy1245 1. He QUIT the Cavs. 2. He joined Wade, who atm was Top 2 or 3 with LeBron & Kobe, so he could play the game on Easy Mode. 3. He said they were a "juggernaut" himself with "not 5, not 6, not 7.." Just because he choked and they underachieved doesn't mean they weren't the heavy favorites. 4. He was afraid to post-up Wee-Man JJ Barea in the first Finals, proof he expected Wade to carry him aka not competitive. Nobody knew how beatable they were until LeBron showed how mentally weak he was. 5. He could've joined up & coming pre-MVP D. Rose in Chicago to compete vs Jordan in Jordan's house and players would've wanted to go to Chicago to play with him but he chose to play in Miami with proven winners Wade & Riley. 6. He QUIT AGAIN and left Miami. So that's "not 7" but 6 reasons off the top of my head but if i waste more of my time thinking about it there's probably more. You reach, I teach.
@@MyGoatFrFr Most people hate when someone calls themselves "King" & The Chosen One before they've even won anything, and then call themselves the GOAT just because he got one for Cleveland. Unearned arrogance was always considered hateable & detestable until kids started being cool with people not even doing the actual work to prove it. "Not 5, not 6, not 7..." He cheats the game by Flopping, using Load Management, being lazy on defense aka In-Game Load Management, stacking his rosters by buying his BFF a sports agency to pimp him players to fill his rosters, including the AD situation telling the Pelicans he will only go to LA. LeBron has QUIT on teams 5 times, including trading almost the entire roster for AD and then filling the roster with Klutch clients. That's mob tactics. Most people hate mobs. Other reasons to hate LeBron include when he became LeBron Shames when he publicly shamed JR for going JR when LeBron could've called a timeout or should've been lined up next to his direct rival KD at the FT line to fight for that rebound instead of JR who beat KD for it. Instead LeBron was standing at halfcourt praying Hill would make the free throws. LeBron throwing himself crying on the floor last season like a toddler for not getting the foul call in Boston is hateable and shameful for a 20 year veteran. If you missed it RU-vid it. He's tweeted "Playoff mode" then deleted the tweet after he QUIT on the season. He didn't show up for DWade's Hall of Fame induction like he was too good for it. The True GOAT Jordan showed up for Pippen's because it's the GOAT thing to do. One year LeBron said he went "zero dark 30" on social media but got caught creeping clicking Like on a big booty Instagirl. Space Jam 2 is hateable. Remaking House Party at his house is hateable. There's more to hate about His Arrogance (NOT His Highness. Compare that arrogant BS to Mike who got His Airness) but one of the biggest reasons I hate LeBron and his behavior was when he became LeBron Shames and told his mother to "Sit your ass down!" on a TNT game, publicly shaming his own mom. Remember this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Uu6vhNCcurg.htmlsi=C0-_2-UxZf9H5l1c
@@MyGoatFrFr He calls himself king and tattooed Chosen 1 on his back so he does it himself when he doesn't have to. Except he does because he needs to stroke his own ego. Cavs title he got Draymond suspended by teabagging him & stopping the game to complain to the refs remember? No foul was called initially. Game 7 he handed the ball inbounds to Kyrie. NOT made a play to pass to Kyrie but instead walked to the corner, stood & watched & prayed Kyrie scored 1-on-1 vs Curry and didn't even go to the hoop in case of a rebound. You can visibly see him hoping in the replay without thinking of rebounding. After tht he didn't even defend Curry and got lucky KLove stayed with Curry and Curry missed. Flopping is CHEATING. Just because others do it doesn't mean he has to. Except he does because he is too scared & insecure that he won't be able to win at the actual game of Basketball he prefers to change the game to Charades for the Refs by acting and performs like a clown begging for them to help him instead. Posershit.
@@MyGoatFrFr You men the block with almost 2 minutes left after JR slowed down Iggy who had to double-clutch the ball and was on his way down while LeBron also hit the rim with his left hand which could've been called goaltending? That one? Jordan never had a bad Finals. No one is flawless but Jordan was close as anyone has gotten. 24-0, aka Perfect, as a playoff series favorite. That means when he was expected to win he did. Funny you say Golden Boy because Jordan also only God for America and LeBronze the Embarrassment has 2 bronze medals, 2 3rd place finishes so compared directly to LeBron he is the Golden Boy.
To be fair to Dame, he has grined it out with the Blazers. Now, the Blazers has drafted his replacement and now you have a quarterback controversy in the Blazers. So It’s hard to blame Dame for wanting out.
@@sladewilson6924 It is well earned. It is not just a case of hating greatness while it's here, crying for it to return after it's gone. When he's finally gone, it will be a great day for the league.
Lebron made his decision, and I made mine to stop watching basketball then and there. only came back just this year because Doncic and Jokic piqued my interest (being slavic descent myself). between 'the decision', a billionaire owner stealing a city's franchise because he didn't want to pay for an arena, and some 'questionable' officiating low-lighted by game 6 2002 Lakers-Kings...I'd had just about enough. and judging by the ratings, I wasn't the only one.
You are right. Game rigging by the NBA is evil and pathetic. Shaq and Kobe are manufactured champions, just like LeCon. Made me want to quit watching but I love basketball.
Look at it this way. There's the 'Jordan era', where no other great players from other teams could win a ring. There was never a saying called the 'Lebron era'.
players like MJ, stockton, all the superstars in old times have very high pride, and their mentality not only drive themselves, teammates but also role models to fans. Drivren from within and fight for what you are looking for. On the other hand, players like lbj, harden, they do not have the pride and set an example of get what they want by any means include cheating. Huge huge difference.
@@infinitymixtapes9562 You brought in hard physical play during the 90s which was how the game was played back then. What about Lebrons flopping which is disgusting. Playing and moves outside the game are totally different.
@@johnnyfelipe8260 that's not what I'm arguing, you said John Stockton has more respect but there's plenty of NBA players, guys that ACTUALLY played, that would wholeheartedly disagree with you.
@@infinitymixtapes9562 Maybe for his opponents yes but for majority of fans he being loyal to Utah and playing hard to win a ring with the same team are different. Look at Lebron he is always asking for respect. He knows hes antics and what hes doing made more fans lose respect for him
Damien does deserve to leave though... he only signed cause they promised to get top tier free agents.. which they got none Harden is definetly a loser lmao
Once the Mamba retired I knew the league, left in Lebron’s hands, would turn to sh*t. These young guys are prima donnas and are coddled as early as elementary school so the direction the league has gone in is not surprising.
Lebron this upcoming season, will have played 13 years with an all star teammate in a row. Jordan played 13 years with the bulls. Jordan still won more and that fact is crazy. Not even including his early Cavs years where Mo Williams and Zyldrunas had all star selections
LeBron James is the ONLY nba HOF player to team up with his OWN DRAFT CLASS (2003) all in their primes in the weaker Conference to ring chase.....and then leave that team to team up with 2 more all star players in their primes.... Imagine Jordan after years of losing to the Celtics and pistons..then decide to call up HIS OWN DRAFT CLASS (1984) to team up with Hakeem and John Stockton ???? that team would win 10 in a row easily Imagine if Kobe after shaq was traded teamed up with HIS OWN DRAFT CLASS (1996) to team up with Iverson and Ray Allen or Steve Nash that team would easily win 5-7 championships...... The truth is...Lebron has some of the most LOWEST VALUE rings of all time and despite ESPN propaganda and brainwashed social media generation kids online.....lebron is not the GOAT let alone number 2 (Kobe, Duncan, Kareem, Bird) are all ahead of him
Kobe had the most dominant player of all time as a running mate, Duncan was drafted on a team with David Robinson, Magic had Kareem, etc. They're all great but greatness from one player can't just guarantee you a championship
@@infinitymixtapes9562 Lebron has NOT won back to back or any title WITHOUT a 20ppg scorer (all star) Wade 23PPG in the 4 years playing with lebron Kyrie 22.3PPG in the 4 years playing with lebron Davis 24.6PPG Lebrons 3rd option Kevin love and Chris bosh both averaged 17PPG in the years playing with lebron with Pau alone 3 straight NBA Finals appearances and he averaged 18.7PPG CONCLUSION Lebrons 2nd options(Wade, Irving, Davis) ALL had greater output than Kobes 2nd option (Pau) and lebrons 3rd option(Love) had just about equal output compared to Kobes 2nd option (Pau) Kobe did more with less and if you compare lebrons 8 year run to the finals he averaged 26.5PPG and Kobe as the 2nd option in the 3peat years averaged 25.4PPG So with slower pace of play Hand checking rules still in place Kobe as a 2nd option had similar output/impact as lebrons prime years going to 8 straight finals
It's just like when Mayweather changed boxing for bad making everybody believe having 0 defeats is the most important thing in a career. Durant may be the worst case but it was Bron who paved the way for all the stars to abandon teams. If the best of them can do it where's the shame for the rest
I totally agree with everything said in this video. And that’s why I completely dismiss LeBron fans who constantly make excuses that he doesn’t have help or that he has to do everything on the court. That’s BS in my opinion, because he’s the one playing general manager. He’s the one putting these teams together. These are the players that he chooses. He does not have to do everything. He’s just out there padding his stats. I know I’m gonna catch some heat for saying this. But I blame a lot of this on Kobe. Him winning 5 championships changed the entire dynamics of the NBA. Because of that LeBron was hell bent on winning some of his own. And will do anything to do it.
I loved Stockton growing up, but you need to understand that times change. You might not like player empowermeant but Ownership doesn't really care about its players in the majority of cases. Do you think Utah would have kepts Stockton if he was only playing 30 games a year? Also, like it or not, Lebron moved and won championships wherever he went. Again, want to repeat, I loved the jazz growing up and not a stock diss. Also about the rodman take: man this is just off. he was one of the games best defenders and also EASILY the leagues best rebounder. He was a massive asset. All teams want to be better and want better players to work with.
Name one player that only plays 30 games a year. LeCon is a front running coward and always has beemn. As a kid in Akron his favorite teams were the Chicago Bulls, New York Yankees and Dallas Cowboys. He has zero loyalty or competitive spirit. He'd rather stack the deck than make his team better. As for Rodman, he was radioactive at that time. No one wanted him. Anyone could've traded for him but didn't. The Bulls gave up a backup center for him. That should say it all. Rodman and MJ didn't like each other but they respected each other because they both knew that the other one would do whatever it took to win. In San Antonio Rodman was taking his shoes off between plays just to be difficult. His troubled life and childhood really messed w. his head.
@@sladewilson6924 zion has literally played 29 games this past season 🤣. lebron throughout his entire career legitemately stacked the deck once and that was in miami, even still miami doesnt win two rings without bron even if they just had wade and bosh. Outside of that instance your basically implying that lebron aint allowed to have good teammates, cause how else is anyone meant to win?
@@danielbyimira2033 Wrong, nice try though. Wrong again. LeCon did it in LA and Cleveland too. Wrong again and you're intentionally acting stupid just to d**kride LeCon. People hate LeCon because he ruined the NBA by forming ghey "superteams". None of that was organic and he freely admitted that he recruited players. The CHeat had three first team all NBA players and you stupidly whine "He's not supposed to have good teammates"? Just admit that you have ghey love for him already.
Stockton always speaks the truth, never interested in pleasing others for climbing the social(media) ladder. Context matters. Put him on the absolutely loaded Showtime Lakers or Bad Boy Pistons, and he would have won anywhere between 2-5 titles. Instead, he did his thing and became one of the 2 best PG's ever. In contrast, LBJ won ZERO TITLES on his volition as the 2 in Miami and 1 in Cleveland were Player Collusion affronts to the sport, while the Bubble Title was a joke from a competitive standard standpoint as well as being fluky ( both Finals teams were bottom seeds the following season). He set the precedence for KD's 2 joke titles, which therefore means Curry really has 2 legit titles.
I have never respected superstars teaming up. It's why I have no respect for LeBron, KD, Steph, AD and Harden for leaving or recruiting superstars. I know Steph never left but he still recruited KD. I know people bring up Barkley joining the Rockets with Hakeem and Clyde and later Pippen. But there difference was they were all old and exiting their prime. Clyde and Barkley were on the downhill after 95 and Hakeem was on the downhill after 97. Pippen was on the downhill after 98. When Barkley joined, he was 33, Hakeem was 33, and Clyde was 34. Pippen was 33 when he joined. So not a super team like LeBron joining the Heat with a 28 year old Wade and 26 year old Bosh and LeBron being 25 and KD joining the 73 win Warriors.
You gonna keep that same energy for the bulls recruiting Dennis Rodman then? According to your logic, you shouldn't have respect for Jordan if that was enough to lose it for Curry.
@@Tmangman1 Rodman was thought of as a team cancer in San Antonio. There is a difference. Rodman would have been out of the league if he didn't go to the Bulls. Rodman was basically out of the league after the Bulls because of his short stints with the Lakers and Mavericks.
@@vineelkesavarapu5736 I just think it's a bizarre take to hate on Curry just because another star joined his team. It's not like he left, it's not like he couldn't win without him, and it wouldn't have worked if he wasn't willing to give him the room he needed to make KD part of the team. We've already seen what happens when KD plays on a super team where people aren't willing to make sacrifices.
@@Tmangman1 Steph still recruited him after losing the Finals. If you want to be one of the best, you beat the best not join them or ask them to join you. Steph had a 73 win season and were 1 win away from back to back championships. It's not like his team wasn't good enough to win. It's like Michael asking Barkley to team up with him to beat the Pistons. Duncan asking Iverson to team up with him to beat the Lakers. Bird asking Isiah to team up with him after to beat the Lakers.
We should be fair. It didn't start with Lebron and the Heat... It started with the 07-08 Celtics. Paul Pierce was already there, but picking up the one of the best two-way superstars in the league with Garnett, and the (at the time) best 3-pt shooter of all time with Ray Allen.
I agree, but I think what people are saying usually is that the Big 3 was past their (peak) prime and they weren't free agents. I think it was KG who didn't want to go the Celtics until they added Ray Allen. And for LBJ leaving Cle, he played for years there and the best player was Mo Williams or Big Z. Hughes was a bust.
No we shouldn't. This is LeBron James here, not a Jason kidd, scottie pippen type. LeBron pussed out, from chosen king to rigging king, while starting a narrative that LeBron James is just another all-star so the celtics started it. Shallop!
Old, past their prime players. Lebron and Wade were the TWO best players in the conference and brought along side another top 10 player in the conference completely breaking the balance in an already DOGSHIT eastern conference. Lebron couldn't get it done and he KNEW that. Soft like baby shit.
I'm getting so tired of this argument, THE CELTICS STARTED IT WITH RAY AND KG!!! The heat were an answer to that! Also yall really expected lebron to live in OHIO his whole life???? He's brought this up multiple times, that he lived in ohio the first 26 years of his life and wanted to experience new things.
Don't waste ur breath most of the people that argue this stupid ass point would have rather seen Bron flounder and fail in Cleveland due to the horrible management so they could turn around and say, "See, the kid is overrated, he can't compare to Kobe or MJ." 20 years and 3 teams is very respectable considering he got each team at least 1 championship. Also, people are blatantly ignoring how much more stacked Lebron's era of play was to the 90s and early 2000. Can't fault a player for putting themselves in a position to compete if their teams management fails at that endeavor. He gave that Cleveland team many chances to straighten out and they didn't. And in terms of the Celtics Even Kobe called them a super team and dating before that celtics superteam was the failed Lakers superteam, so all this trying to make LeBron the originator of superteams is just wrong and disingenuous.
They were old, over 30. The only one of "the big 3" that made the top 10 in mvp voting the 3 years before getting together was kg in 2006 (he was 9th tied with Billups). Wade and Lebron were all nba FIRST team in 2009 and 2010. They were top 3 in mvp voting in 2009. They were 26 and 27 yo. And Bosh made more all star games than Ray Allen and was 27. It is NOT comparable. It would have been like Duncan, Kobe and Billups teaming up in 2004.
The PP, KG and Allen Celtics were 'old-ish', everyone over 30 years old. Also that team was created via trades and not free agency like the Heat. Also everyone on the Heat was on their primes when that team was created.
To be fair I don't dislike the decision, cavs were crap. I don't condone the quit during the game stuff but when a team is given like 7 years to build around you and can show is what the cavs are, well let's say many greats never got a deserved ring. What I really dislike is bailing out of Miami. It's a franchise with a proven winning culture could have waited a year or two and Miami would have been back instead he made sure Cleveland was stacked and went back there.
To say that super teams in the off season started with Lebron is simply not true. Didn't the Rockets form a trio of Hakeem, Charles and Pippen? What about the Celtics in 2008? All of those attempts were prior to Lebron going to Miami.
It wasn't the "player empowerment era", it was the "hold my team hostage era". I sign on the dotted line, and then turn around and demand trades of teammates, or myself, and threaten to sit out games while still being guaranteed money from my contract. That's not business, that's exploitation, and extortion.
It's a personal choice. Lebron made the decision to leave Cleveland for Miami and won championships. It worked out for him. I see it as John Stockon being sour for not winning a champship.
To Rodman topic we have to add and repeat that he has a free agent, and that nobody, NOBODY would have been foolish enough to hire Rodman. It was a HUGE RISK signing him. That fact that it worked is another story.
All power to the players I think because their career is short and management wouldn't hesitate to trade players like pawns.. the only thing o don't like is when players dishonor they're long term contracts even though they signed for 4 years they demand a trade after 2
The NBA is obsessed with the player empowerment era because it allows the status quo to disregard a GM or Coach's ability to build a team, especially through the draft. It's easier to tell the fans that their team didn't make the playoffs because they didn't have a better superteam then the next as opposed to having to explain what they saw in the bust they drafted/signed/traded for.
Jerry Krause even said that he never had Michael Jordan come to him with demands to trade in certain players. The closest he came to that was when he approached Phil Jackson to ask about the possibility of trade for Dennis Rodman, but he respected the chain of authority. Lebron James does not, and has let his ego get way out of control, and interferes in responsibilities that belong under the jurisdiction of the general manager. This is why he will never be better than Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Hakeem Olajuwon as far as I am concerned.
