@@arianebolt1575 again, it was banned. That is all that needs to be said. It’s a rule, rules are meant to be followed, that’s the way it has always been. I’m sorry your parents didn’t emphasize that concept.
@@saragrant9749here are the facts: 1) Pseudoephedrine is not on the ban list because it improves performance. It's on there because it is a "masking agent" which can hide the presence of other substances which actually do something. We know Raducan wasn't using anything else, so why should she be punished over something which had no meaningful effect on her performance? 2) Shortly after the 2000 Olympics, WADA removed pseudoephedrine from the ban list altogether. When they brought it back, the unallowable concentration was far higher than what was found in her 2000 samples. Jurisdictions where marijuana has been decriminalized typically release and exonerate inmates still serving time from when it was illegal. Why should Andreea continue to suffer consequences for something that she would not be punished for if the same thing happened today? 3) She was instructed to take the medication by the team doctor, who apparently failed to subsequently file the TUE needed to approve its use in an extenuating circumstance. She had no knowledge the medication contained a banned substance - and part of the team doctor's job is to be familiar with this list and ensure athletes only are given compliant medications. Why should she, a minor at the time, be punished for the failure of an adult acting in loco parentis? 4) You're an authoritarian, an idiot, and an asshole. "Rules should be followed unquestioningly because they're rules, regardless of whether they're right or make any sense" is the mindset that causes things like genocide.
@@saragrant9749 i heard/read a while ago that it was only permited a certain dosis but given Andrea's height and weight there was more substance in her body but she was given the permited dosis.
Thank you! Couldn’t find this forever. Anyone have the full bbc broadcast? Seems to focus more on the gymnastics and less on the drama, but this nbc one is fun 😅
I hate that the commentators keep referring to Svetlana Khorkina as a diva....she is an incredible gymnast. Don't worry about her "diva" moments (that you can't even understand because she is speaking Russian)
@@Lovememore231 it’s true, I mean we can wish she was there but she said she was glad she wasn’t chosen 😅 but they could’ve just used her on vault. And her other scores would be higher than Dawes. They would’ve been bronze outright
They NEEDED Atler! Vault and floor! Our bar workers were good! Had it been my pick it would’ve been. Jamie D, Amy Chow, Elise Ray, Kristen M, Shannon Miller for Beam Atler for floor and Vault
@@TheMajesticice01 totally agreed. They really messed it up with this era. They were all beaten up and almost defeated by the time of the Olympics and it wasn’t because they weren’t talented, it was USAG and the coaches fault.
@@TheMajesticice01 Atler was 0 for 8 in the trials on every event. Would not have been good if she came, definitely would have struggled under the pressure. She barley had any international accomplishments in the past few years. At the time it meant most she flopped and didn’t deserve a spot. I’m glad Tasha got a chance and Dominique is still a 3 time Olympian with tons more international experience under pressure and 3 Olympic medals.
It’s a shame what that SOB did to her and all the others through out the years athleteA she spoke about it and you could tell she still had trauma from it ptsd and anxiety . I can’t believe they allowed that sicko near the athletes . I so glad Nasser is behind bars and can never hurt any one else again
Great video, but what the hell was that comment about Romania being so poor and so little, we might not be the biggest or the richest, but we don't struggle to the point where our only joy is success in gymnastics. Also so much disrespect towards the russians.
Nadia and Simona weren't the only two Romanians to compete in the Olympics twice. Gina Gogean and Christina Grigoras also appeared in the Olympics twice.
Who even knows if they were all commentating at the same time. This was def an olympics when the broadcasts were heavily edited after the fact. They had a ton of time to do this because of the time change and the fact that there was a huge delay from when the event took place to when it was broadcasted. This was when "plausibly live" began to die.
I have no idea how Romania was scoring 9.4’s on the uneven bars. Not a handstand to be found anywhere. Low bar for sure not. High bar nope. Not there either.
I never understood the criticism of vault landings. Every olympics, some commentators act like it's catastrophic you did not stick your vault landing when, in reality, very few gymnasts in each competition will actually stick their vault.
The commentators point out the imperfections because it's their job to explain to the viewers why athletes receive the scores that they do, and also to (hopefully) make the broadcast more exciting to watch. An unstuck landing is a deduction. It may be common for landings to be imperfect, but if the commentators said nothing or acted like its not a big deal, viewers would start getting mad at the judges for deducting points for something all gymnasts do. Can they be a little dramatic in their presentation? Absolutely! But the landing is the period at the end of the sentence. Just like divers can do crazy flips and spins, but Oh, they made a Splash!!! So they are going to always focus on the end unless something more dramatic happens in the quick >3 seconds that the athlete takes to execute their routine.
The judges absolutely trashed team USA's vault scores just criminal. That is just ridiculously biased! The underscoring was shameful. Corrupt judges deducted a fall and more from Dominique Dawes. The vault wasn't even set right, the girls could've been injured. But, they still managed to execute the strongest vaulting & were penalized for it. Proud of their performances. Gorgeous bb set from Olaru.
You are failing to factor in start value. Dominique's FTY started from a 9.5; she only lost .325 off that number to get the 9.175, which is considerably less than a 0.5 fall. Her second vault, a 1.5TY, started from a 9.8 and had .488 deducted for the 9.312 - still less than a 0.5 fall. And the height error was in the all-around final, not the team final. As a note... if the US has lower start values than their competitors across the board on vault, but gets similar deductions, they are not the strongest team on that event 🤷
Even though there was a “fight” for the bold between Russia and Romania with Romanias awful bars rotation they shouldn’t even be fighting for a gold with Russia while Russia is well rounded on all apparatuses thats why the Russian team were so mad abt them getting silver bc the medal was theirs to lose.Romania score around 9.4s-9.5s mostly on bars Russia can afford one or 2 falls
Consistency matters, not just difficulty. To this point, Russia had lost every team competition at the world's or Olympics over the previous decade since the USSR breakup due to lack of consistency and mistakes. Romania had won the previous 4 world team titles and the Olympic title here because they were the most consistent. Your comment is moot. It doesn't matter how Much difficulty and how much potential your routines have if you can't hit when it counts.
@@mikeg8375I agree. Don't get why people kept underestimating Romania. They may not have the most difficulty on bars or the flashiest routines, but they are known for their consistency and they almost always hit when it counts. That's why they were dominant for so many world championships. 2004 Olympics might be the most dominant performance they ever had
lol NO WAY… please go rewatch Nastia’s 08 bars - that routine is not only crazy difficult but crazy LONG. It’s both technical (with all those intricate Chinese pirouettes) but also her releases are harder. She literally does a LAID OUT Geinger. And don’t even get me started about her dismount. The half turn into the landing after such a strenuous set is just monster hard. The amount of stamina needed for that routine is unheard of even in today’s quad. That’s why she couldn’t finish the same routine come her 2012 Olympic comeback attempt- she just wasn’t in the same shape needed to complete such a routine.
russia were the best at the sydney olympics they could have sweeped here in my opinion if they hit better here, the vault was set right khorkina would have won the all around and then russia came 2,3 in balance beam
I am quite not sure about Khorkina (she trully deserved being AA olympic champion) but she also felt on bars, supposably because she was shaken from the vault mistake and "there was nothing left for her to win". However, in this very TF, she felt exactly on the same element when Russia was in gold medal contention, so it's not safe to assume she would have won if the vault was set right. The Romanians won gold by tenths of points. One more clean routine from Russia would give them the gold medal, had Khorkina hit bars - but, it wasn't her fault as Russia crumbled on beam.
I wonder what happened to gymnastics Romania . They were top tier back in the days . Now they don’t play a role anymore when it comes to the best teams in the world .
Well they have had a lot of problems adjusting to the new Code of Points plus they got rid of Belu and others due to political issues and so yeah they've never been the same. Its sad.
Two big factors: 1) Romania has been behind the world on bars for a very long time. When the max score was a 10 their deficiencies on bars did not matter so much because they could still scrape up a 10.0 start value and make up the execution deductions on their stronger events. In the open-ended code, everything about their style has been heavily disfavored and the lack of difficulty has been too much to make up on the other events, especially as those have also started to slip relative to the strongest in the world 2) The talent pool has shrunk considerably since the 90s because Romania is no longer in a political or economic situation where athletic success is one of the only ways out of abject poverty. Government support for athletes isn't what it used to be and many of the coaches who used to be crucial to the development system accepted higher paying jobs in other countries, plus parents are no longer tripping over themselves to put young girls in gymnastics hoping it will give them greater opportunities - many more traditional "desk work" jobs are now available which do this as well
Yes. Clearly Russia was best. The won 3 of 4 gold medals on individual apparatus. Almost got all of them, because lobaznyuk almost won on beam. Sadly they had falls
No but they were robbed of their rightful place in the podium with the bronze medal by those cheating scum ball Chinese coaches. That country should have been banned from the next Olympic cycle that followed the discovery of the lie.
The Chinese gymnasts have always been underscored. I'm not sure how Produnova scored higher than the two gymnasts from China we saw on the bars. The scoring was so arbitrary and inconsistent back then.
@@thesovgc actually they counted for team finaly only a fall, but with korkina not falling they had a 9.85, and dropped out a 9.65, so they would have won . as for beam, I agree they were tecnhically better than romanians, but the results were correct
When you think about, even with all those falls, the Russians still came so close to winning the gold. Honestly, maybe if the Romanian bar scores were scrutinized more, then they might not have been victorious. For a team that was so good on all the other events, their bars were not great by comparison. Basically if the Russians hadn’t fallen, they would’ve won by a fairly large margin. They were the class of the field, that’s why they were so sullen.
The Russians would’ve won had the had one less fall. If Khorkina or ekaterina had not fallen they would’ve won easily. They dominated in the event finals! They owned this Olympics
Not really. Back then there was just more depth. Russia, Romania and China are not the same teams anymore. US is the only country that stayed with gymnastics.
John Tesh, Al Trautwig, and Terry Gannon, what do all these commentators have in common? Not gymnastics experience that’s for sure Commentators really need to know about a sport so they don’t piss all over live coverage🥲
