@@shahd986 the crush made sense in my opinion. She wasn't crushing on him because they had chemistry. She was crushing on him because very early on it was heavily implied they'd be matched together. Plus he was heir to the throne, a literal prince she was being matched with. Her young mind romanticized her match up with a future king, a future king she thought was attractive as well. As far as she was concerned she was winning the arranged marriage lottery so it makes sense she'd go all out on her crush and ignore his personality until he'd proven to be an irredeemable monster.
Robert Baratheon: Lack of Care. Stannis Baratheon: Lack of Hair. Renly Baratheon : Lack of Heir. Joffrey baratheon : Lack of Air. Shireen Baratheon : It's just not Fair.
No he realized that when she said 'beautiful BLONDE hair'. That's when that suspenseful music hits as the camera pans to Ned and you see his expression change to a 'oh fuck, Eureka'.
It might've been better for his voice to be playing in the background as he read, following along with his vision. He could have literally changed his face as he skims over the Targaryen bride, who should've borne kids with "blonde" or pale hair, and instead pure black...
@@callmecalvin7297 not all Valyrian Women have valyrian looking offspring, it's the seed is strong not the womb...look at Rhaenys's children, they looked more like Harwin in show and books. And not even all seed is strong the very first Baratheon is an example with his father being Valyrian and him still ending up with black Hair.
He was smart, until he revealed the Queen of whores that he knew about her incestuous relationship with her brother. Then he doomed House Stark in the series.
@G Ha Sansa: "He's nothing like that old, fat king!" - Ned realize that she is right. Jeffrey is not King's son. That is why previous hand of a kind, and Ned's friend, was killed. He knew about that.
I also love how when Sansa says "I don't want someone brave and gentle and strong I want him!" Ned has a little smile with Arya. Of course, that line Sansa probably regrets sorely.
Ned's plotline in Season 1 was almost like a murder mystery, and it ended up being so interesting because the detective is basically a man who doesn't want to solve the case because it would cause too much chaos and destruction, but is still bound by honour and duty to do so. Fuck I miss this version of the show
Yeah, and what’s interesting is we don’t actually find out who committed the crimes that set things off in S1 until much later! But so much happens since then, we kinda forget about those initial mysteries…
I miss that and the days when a White Walker could casually kill multiple people without trying too hard instead of needing the King of Ice and Snow to be your seeing guide dog.
@@y2123-l8c Arya Season 6: Also falls into a filth ridden canal with multiple stab wounds without contracting any life threatening diseases. Recovers enough in a single day and proceeds to free-run across Braavos without opening her new wounds and outrun a trained assassin. Kills said trained assassin and proceeds to walk out on a brotherhood of assassins who don't kill her for turning her back on them.
when I tell my k3 students that I'll be taking a day off next lesson (to tend to personal matters) students: what? are you dying because of covid? me: (Facepalm) 😅
Well, it was normal during medieval times to die of such wounds. Hygiene was not invented yet, doctors would literally stick their dirty fingers into wounds to check.
@@carlhiller9659 yeah actually i agree with both of u. She is a typical entitled woman who knows and does little but blows it all up in her head to enourmous achievement size.
@@carlhiller9659 she always wanted to be queen and hence she made it like no matter what, by revealing Jon's secret, by bringing knights of the vale at the very last moment without telling Jon about the Knights just to gain glory and to become queen of winterfell. It was all her plan.
@@Prakash-pe9vp that was never comunicated. It was always comunicated that she was smart and wanted the best for her family. It was never ever set up she wanted to rule the north all on her own
@Mark Lucchese most of these things are subjective. You don't like the show - it is fine, but don't try to pretend that your OPINION is the only true way to see this show.
@Mark Lucchese come on "never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Also any limp dick fuck nugget could write something more satisfying than what actually happened. I completely blocked S8 from memory. My own ending, in my brain, is better.
@Mark Lucchese you're right. So many story arcs meant nothing. Dothraki. Night King. Bran/Three Eyed Raven. Azor Ahai. Not to mention that the Zombie dragon TOOK DOWN a 700 foot Ice wall yet Winterfells walls are made from vibranium whenever Jon Snow ducks behind one. Ridiculous.
@@ladyterrestrial1679 Martin's original aim with Arya was to turn Arya into a truly villainous character and narrate the story from her point of view. D&D do not have the nerve or the talent to take Arya to the completion of her character arc. So they leave her in a meaningless abyss where she is a deadly assassin only because she wears the thickest armor ever - plot armor. She should have died at least 5 times in the last two seasons. She became a cartoon character. Like Batman, from the animated series. Jon Snow might not know anything. But he was more interesting than Arya. Would you agree?
It's because she said "I don't want someone brave and gentle and strong, I want *him* " thus candidly and openly admitting that even *she* doesn't find Joffrey brave or gentle or strong.
@@CosmicTeapotthat's not how I read it. Basically she's so caught up with the fairy tale of him being a prince that she doesn't really care about anything else. Basically she doesn't want to marry a "hedge knight" as she thinks in the book.
@@pluckybellhop66 you misunderstood my (and Sansa's) point. See, she cares about status, which Ned and Arya care about less than almost any noble in Westeros. Ned *doesn't* say "you'll marry someone else really important, I promise". So when he says positive things that have nothing to do with status, all she hears is "poor, with no title, powerless". Book Sansa is very clear about this *in her head*, it just comes out kinda wrong and her family just laugh... which is really their greatest mistake, because if they had just listened and then explained why this was necessary and how they might still get Sansa what she wants (status), she would probably not have run to Cersei.
It’s clear that Sansa unknowingly put the idea in Ned’s head, or at least made him more confident in his suspicions, when she said that she’ll birth Joffrey beautiful BLONDE babies and that he’s nothing like Robert. She may have been a brat, but her role in this scene was vital. She was more observant than we all gave her credit for.
@@holyforce7065 Dark hair in real life is the more "dominant" gene. If the same rules apply to Westeros, then John Snow having dark hair makes perfect sense. His mother being a Stark with darker hair, would show up more than a father having platinum blonde hair. That same rule is what Ned is applying to Joffrey / Robert here, the entire Baratheon family line is dark haired. Except Joffrey, because he's not actually part of the family line.
@@holyforce7065 It's not the mother/father that matters, it's the hair color. A mother or father with dark hair, is a lot more likely to have children with dark hair. Because dark hair is the dominant gene over blonde hair. It doesn't matter if the mom or dad carried it, just that one of their parents had it.
I remember watching this, thought Ned is the main character. And when he is about to get beheaded I genuinely thought that someone or something will save him from it. That's when I realized GOT is so much different from any shows I have watched. Enjoyed it while it last but still hope they make an alternate cut of the ending
She was just a kid. A good marriage was all she could have hoped for as a woman. How could she have known things would turn that way? I feel more sorry for her than thinking she deserved Jeoffreys cruelty.
@@sahilsahoo4488 He was shit at his job (being the king), the kingdoms was peaceful because they know the repercussions if they act up (as seen with the iron islands). Also peaceful does not mean everything is good and flourishing. As a matter of fact, this “peaceful” time is a ticking time bomb as one the kingdom is in a massive dept and two he does not have any legitimate successor. Hence, why the whole continent basically went to war and struggle for power. Literally the easiest task and the first thing you do (once you become a king) is to have a son in place, so the power stays within. Yet he didn’t care anything, and just fuck around literally.
Neds Starks greatest failing was deciding to make any moves in the capital before his children were safely North. That should have been his request from Renly
@@hiddendagger7291 I dont really hate him but I think its more realistic for a spoiled young kid to be a coward in the battle when he never fought once in his life...
In the books, Sansa ratted out Ned's plan to move her and Arya back to Winterfell to Cersei, which was how she knew when to start plotting against Ned.
"Robert Black of hair, Joffrey golden head" *Ned closes the book with a look of sudden realization* "O my god. I left the oven on, I need to get back to Winterfell now" ! *The End*
In all honesty he's the only reason I started watching it. Saw that incestuous sex scene and thought I was going to stop watching but then I thought 'Well, Sean Bean's in it, so the show might be good'
Season 8 isn't that bad, people are just mad their predictions and preferred outcomes aren't coming true. It has a few mediocre parts, but that's largely due to HBO/the show runners being stupid and condensing it.
@@izu___ Nah after the advices lilfinger gave her and what she's been through, now she thinks she is the shit and can manipulate ppl and events like she wants to. At the end of the season we'll see what will happen with Jon and herself, as they are the only Main main characters that probably will survive the season by the look of it, unless Tyrion and Varys start using their heads as before... But tbh i can't see that happening with D&D "smart" writing.
"I don't want someone brave, gentle, and strong" Seeing what Sansa went through, she got what she wanted. Little finger is a coward, Ramsay wasn't gentle, and a weak spoiled brat Joffrey.
It would have been more powerful to note that Tommen and Myrcella also have golden hair; you could have discounted Joffrey being an anomaly but all 3 having golden hair is 100% proof
@@nicksmithnutmilkBut the whole point of the scene is to show that the black hair Baratheon gene is so strong that it gets passed down from father to son for several generations, no matter what hair colour the mothers might have had. That's also the case with Roberts true children - the babe he lost with Cersei was black of hair, as is Gendry, and every last one of Roberts bastards. The fact that Joffrey breaks that pattern is suspicious enough, but the fact that none of Roberts three live children with Cersei show any trace of their fathers dark hair, all sporting the pure gold hair only the Lannisters are known for instead, basically eliminates the option that Joffrey might be a chance anomaly.
@@vibeyandvibeless Orys Baratheon's ( founder of House Baratheon ) father is a Targaryen by the way just saying . But I don't think anyone cared about Joffrey , Tommen and Myrcella's true father though . Everyone accepted Joffrey and Tommen as King
In the books, Ned also makes sure to see if golden hair isn’t just a female-dominant trait within Lannisters. He goes back through the same book and finds the time a male lannister and female Baratheon married and had children. All of them had black hair. “Always he found the gold yielding before the coal.”
Ned: "Lord Oris Baratheon, black of hair" "Axum Baratheon, black of hair" "Lionel Baratheon, black of hair" "Steffon Baratheon, black of hair" "Robert Baratheon, black of hair" "Joffrey Baratheon, golden head." *Phone Rings* - "Excuse me Lord Hand, Jerry Springer on line 1 for you. Says it's urgent.."
Here is one of the mistakes that cost Ned his life. And it's not that he's sending them home, it's that he doesn't understand or care what Sansa actually *wants*. Sansa, in the book, greatly cares that she'd become queen. Neds promises of someone "brave and gentle and strong" are pointless, because all she hears is that he doesn't say that it's a high noble he'll find. So in the book she concludes that he'll marry her off "to some hedge knight". Ned didn't care to find out what Littlefinger wanted, or what Varys wanted, or what Cersei was trying to do (he thinks she's stupid for not fleeing). When Arya tells him what she wants he kind of listens, because her wishes remind him of his sister and maybe also of himself. But he can't spare a thought for Sansa's wishes because she's clearly trying to be a southern lady, which he doesn't respect. And Ned, whenever possible, doesn't think too deeply about people and especially about ambitions he doesn't respect.
You couldn't be more right. It happened when he completely misjudged Jaime after he killed the Mad King. And again after he told Cersei the what he was going to do without considering how she could retaliate.
I slightly disagree with this. Ned originally wanted Sansa to marry Joffrey as he thought it fit the code of honor and tradition for one of his daughters to marry the king. Even after finding out about how terrible Joffrey was he still thought it was the right decision. It was Arya who told Ned something along the lines of “you’re really gonna let her marry that monster?” Which Ned did not have an answer for. Here was Ned coming to his senses and trying to protect Sansa. I think deep down Ned did care for what his children wanted, all of them, but also wanted to protect them.
2012: no 2013: no 2014: nope 2015: *nein!* 2016: it's not time yet... 2017: nooope 2018: *shakes head* 2019: *LET'S PUT THIS IN EVERYONE'S RECOMMENDATIONS*
As soon as Ned realised , he should of high tailed it back to Winterfel as fast as his horses could run , never letting anyone there know why. < If he was asked why he was hurrying home just use Bran as an excuse > The story would have taken a major turn but Ned would have lived at least for a little while longer.
He should have. When he and everyone he cared for was at Winterfell he should have sent the letter to Stannis. Stannis might not be loveable but is is not cruel, more stern. king Stannis the stern.
I completely forgot about this version of Sansa. After all the shit that she's been through, I miss this side of her. When she was still just an inexperienced, innocent child.
the funny thing is that Ned did not even think about Jon.. I mean he got black hair from Lyanna and not golden hair from Rhaegar yet as soon as Ned realises that Joffrey has golden hair he is 100% sure about that he is not Robert's son..
@@timw2007 I mean I didnt question your comment, I just find it interesting/funny that Ned questions Joffrey's father cause his hair color but he is sure about Jon's while he has different hair color too.. I know this happened to move the plot forward but still it is a very strange decision.. it would have been better if Ned would have found a letter or a note or smt from Jon Arryn about Joffrey
I actually really love how Sansa was the one who gave Ned the idea that Joffrey might not be Robert’s son. There’s almost a sense of she subconsciously figured it out, even if it’s just a teenage tantrum. It’s rather poetic especially when you look at later seasons when she becomes the winner of the game of thrones.
Ironically, Ned is not the last vigilant father who would bother caring how language shapes a girl's character. Her most graceful conversations came at the center of a lion's den.
@@theo7236 He didn't even need to go public with it. The one thing he should do was to accept Renly's offer and proclaim him king. Then, they could summon all of the Baratheon, Stark, Tyrell, Tully forces to King's Landing and make both Tywin and Stannis surrender without spilling blood.
@Emperor Palpatine He could have done that, but this move would not prevent a situation in which three kings(maybe four, depending on Balon Greyjoy) fighting with each others. I am saying, his support to Renly's claim could have secure the peace in Kingdoms.
@@theo7236 no he went to confirm his suspicions. Cercie openly admits treason. it is obvious what he has to do. it is his mercy in allowing her to live for her treason. as hand of the King his duty was at the very least arresting her. he gave her a head start instead. he had won at this point. all that was needed was Robert himself.
I feel so bad for Sansa. She got one of the rawest deals out of anyone in this show. She grows up thinking that her destiny is with Joffrey, building this idealized fantasy of him in her head, thinking that being his loyal wife is her only real value as a person, and then when she finally gets Joffrey...well, we know what happens after that. No 14 year old should be having to think about marriage and childbearing. And even after Joffrey, every man she makes the mistake of trusting uses that trust to manipulate or abuse her. Even though D&D was so ham-fisted in how they portrayed it, I do think it made quite a lot of sense that she grew up to be such a cold, stoic, and even sadistic woman by the end. Her trauma has robbed her of any innocence and left her as a shell of a person. If only it was in the hands of better writers, I think it would've made for an excellent tragic character.
