Nerfing EVERY Smash Ultimate Character 

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@@Ivy64_ Haircut was incoming anyways, the timing honestly worked out perfectly lol

@@MockRockTalk a true entrepreneur if ever I've seen one

I'm not buying Manscaped on principle, but that sponsored bit was pretty slick.

DUDE WHY GETTING YOUR INTRO THEME COST MONEY BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Not gonna lie, I don't hate this

Also knowing what has armor on it can only be found out when you try to hit them during it and often get hit by it because there's no way to know until you try to challenge it.

Honestly the armour is really pointless, because he can still be grabbed and the move takes a whole 2 seconds to actually come out. Remove it lmao

@@KRcanondaisa A little more than a second, but still ultra reactable.

@@KRcanondaisa To be fair that is if you're throwing it out in neutral. If your opponent is mashing out of disadvantage or really predictable with their recovery you MIGHT be able to get away with using it as a pseudo counter.

Honestly, I think Luigi's problem move might be moreso Super Jump Punch than D-Air. Most of his combos finish with an Up B, and it's a great finisher because of how crazy strong it is. I guess you could fix that by decreasing base knockback but then having KBG go way up. And definately reduce knockback of aerial Up B

Every time someone makes a luigi zero to death comment it just applies way better to ice climbers.

I think a good nerf was if slightly more knockback was added to his down throw.

@@Succer ICs is just too incosistent to ever come up

@@BlisteringBlue42 your destroying the character they aren’t ever coming back from that

Super Smash Brother. It’s just Mario.

@@XykonOverlord Nerf cape

Nice reference

More comprehensive rework videos are something that get requested a lot, I do have some ideas vaguely along those lines but no set schedule at this point

@@MockRockTalk If you do that, in my opinion, Kirby just need 1 thing, replace all his specials with the character he copies, that's all Kirby needs, no stats buff or change frame data in his attacks, just that and Kirby would be a good character without being "broken" and also fun to use bc yes

@@pokerface7531 That would be WAY to much work for the development team.

@@waffleman8053 i know, i just think that's what Kirby needs to be fully represented, relying in copy abilities, i don't want the developers to suffer lol

That's the sort of video you'd need to do some communication with the character communities for. As much as I like MockRock's takes, a full rework for each character would take an absurd amount of character knowledge. That being said, I'd love to see it happen

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I feel like odyssey and mock rock could make a good video together

New bowser city is a good track

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Considering it's one of the few games where he has a kit that isn't just borrowed and tweaked from Mario, it makes so much more sense than just a standard grab.

I do agree that being a grappler is kinda cool especially considering how abysmal his horizontal mobility is, but I also do feel like _something_ about his grab game could be nerfed because it feels like a bit much right now.

@@SSM24_y'know, I think his grab having alot more end lag wouldn't be too unfair on him considering its already a tether grab

I would say it makes sense, but I would personally like to see his design merging ideas from Luigi's Mansion and Mario & Luigi RPG (Gooigi supplementing Mario for bros attacks?) and I do not think an excellent standard grab would really fit that design. Luigi could absolutely have a cool grab-game with a vacuum command-grab though, and it might honestly make more sense than the plunger being the focus of his grab-game since the plunger is more of a secondary or even tertiary option in Luigi's Mansion 3.

I’d remove its combo ability, make it more of a kill move and not let it’s smaller shots combo

Priority doesn't exist beyond trascendency, clanking is only dependant on the damage attacks deal and Ryu's multihit Shakunetsu and Samus' Homing Missile naturally get destroyed easier than the 20% dealing Charge Shot. It's pretty much impossible to do without reworking how the clash system works in Smash

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@@skarmcl Well the point is, the weaker charge shot ALSO is much harder to beat out, so modifying how that move behaves and making it easier to beat out would be good. You wouldn't need to rework how the entire clash system works, I don't think.

@@zernek9199 depends on how weak, the no charge charge shot gets demolished by any sort of aerial but the one that's charged halfway (the one that deals ~20%) is significantly harder if not impossible to destroy. You could make it so charge shot deals less damage but reaccomodate its knockback properties to keep similar power, that way you have a 15% dealing projectile at max charge that's still very powerful in terms of knockback and can still combo thanks to the added hitlag and low bkb but can be destroyed easier... but there are so many charge shots that share similar properties that it'd need a reformulation of it. Charge Shot isn't even the best Charge Shot, Shadow Ball is, but Samus' kit and weight is better suited to use one than the one Mewtwo has. If I'd nerf something of Samus it'd actually be her bomb, I feel like the bomb is the true evil of Samus. Charge Shot is good and helps her dictate neutral but it's just that, a powerful projectile. The bomb make her neutral harder to deal as it lays a zone limiting projectile that covers her while she charges up and allows her to more easily counteract the opponent's aggresive initiatives, assists in her disadvantage by adding a tool that instantly allows her to correct her drift and stall a bit too, making it safer to recover and land which makes getting inside Samus' zone less impactful. And the advantage applications are just obscene, she already has Charge Shot as a safe way to cover several ledge options on reaction with zero risk and now she has a tool that limits how much you can wait and cuts the one option she's unable to react to, as well as giving her some pretty free edgeguards on certain characters. It's not her mosr overcentralizing tool but it's one complementary tool that lets her do things that shouldn't be allowed for her archetype (Plus it's annoying af) Make it laggier and have a smaller hitbox, not much else needs to be done

Technically it's just a reference to the Wind-Up Punch from Sonic The Fighters, but I like your interpretation more lol

@@MockRockTalk the werehog sounds much better and the move itself should stay that way. Probably should reduce the knockback on spin so it won’t kill and the combo potential will be more harder to get which will force more Spincharge. Reducing Sonic kill power and range only wants more campy Sonic and in this game it’s much less required than S4

It'd be neat if he turned into the werehog during the punch. He could also get a sword movie and get his Black Knight design when using the move

It's a very loose interpretation and making him the Warehog for just that move is just poor design (honestly not much worse than how Sonic is designed already). Not to mention the actual lore of the warehog would be completely shattered.

@@wingedbluj1674 we have link with moves from 500 different incarnations of link and ganon as an old man who can’t move or deal with projectiles. I think giving sonic something that sonic has done in a sonic game would be fine.

Yes.

k rool hasn't been bottom tier in years tho

& Doc's just sitting there, forgotten again.

Piranha plant ain't bad at all

There's actually a rather good video by Jacob Geller who hints on Ganon being in Smash specifically to suffer (and get ecstatic payback).

That would utterly destroy Richter but I'm not against it

@@YounesLayachi angling cross alone already makes richter have a bigger threat bubble than Simon, I think this would be a great change for the both of them

Excuse me, you can angle axe?

If you tilt the control stick in or out right before you throw the axe, it will be thrown at different trajectories.

That's such a harsh nerf for either of them given the scope of nerfs in this video lmao. Neither of them are even that good to begin with.

Is this actually a common mechanic in fighting games outside of being able to special cancel / sometimes normal cancel? I haven't played a ton of different fighting games but in the ones I have played this is mostly a consequence of being able to cancel the endlag of normals into another move if they connect.

@@SSM24_ it's typically the case in most fighting games. You can whiff a move and be punished for it harshly. But it usually depends on the frame data if it's safe or not when just straight up whiffing and whiffing on block.

@@marlinmurrell620 I think that's just called "blockstun" :p

I would add whiff staling to smash. To much swinging at ghosts in neutral in my opinion

@@YounesLayachi I agree (looking at you, Falcons) but I feel like there's a better solution than universal whiff staling. Even if it would be "technically" good for the health of the meta, on a base level I think it would make the game feel worse (and make Melee fans complain for taking away their precious APM... those useless, useless actions)

one squirtle buff i'd love going into smash 6: bring shell shifting back it was rad in brawl and i think they shouldn't've removed it

Oh god, no. Most characters list their one good trick, Pikachu got literally one of its least significant tricks nerfed, and not even in a way that actually impacts it. Please release me from Smash 6

Falco's landing fair hitbox might actually be my single least favorite hitbox in the game

I would remove all the multihit aerial landing hitboxes

Maybe it's an unfair criticism but I think landing hitboxes especially in online play are obnoxious. Punishing things online is already adding a tight timing window because of the extreme lag and allowing characters to cover their own landings is an added layer of frustration.

As a Falco main, that was exactly my thought :) This landing hitbox honestly makes us lazy sometimes.

Ikr,it's basically : "Oh shit,they didn't come into my Fair attack,I'm gonna get punishe ...SIKE! LANDING HITBOX SAVE THE DAY"

There likely will be, whether it's the next video I'm not sure yet but I'm aiming for weekly uploads throughout most of November/December

Imagine buffing every character to be busted. I’d be down for it lmao

@@MockRockTalk got to get into the habit for the Christmas adverts eh

@@MockRockTalk gotta respect that Q4 grindset

@@MockRockTalk another interpretation for this would be how to buff every character to be top tier. Not just buffing a si gle move significantly, but buffing enough stuff with enough synergy so the character is positively broken on the tier of Aegis or other top tiers

It's not true invincibility, if you look at her in training mode she won't turn blue, but her head hitbox is significantly disjointed so it's functionally largely the same thing

Or you could just give it a cooldown. Similar to Wario's bike.

Both number or cooldown are interesting ways

As a tradeoff Dropping the banana now creates a skinless banana that diddy can eat, or risks losing to the enemy if they use it in midair or can't stay for it

I fully agree with this and I do think it's a mechanic that should be removed entirely, but DK is definitely the poster child for it in my eyes

Items dropping is also random

*Laughs in Judge and Menu*

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 while judge is hilarious fishing a 9 usually isn’t on a gnw players plan tbf

“Let’s just delete Dr. Mario’s up-b!”

Maybe reduce the height of her double jump too? She had a double jump in _Super Mario Run_ but it didn't go very high

@@pvzmariosonica8fan Instead of that, I would want Daisy's physical attributes (running speed, jump height, air acceleration, and physical attacks) increased as trade off for losing float. Any flower attacks would give the opponent a flower head

I flip the other way. Daisy floats half as long, but twice as fast. Bad for stalling, hyper aggro

@@julienherard414 Having flower attacks put a flower on their head is a little _too_ overpowered, unless they were specifically nerfed a lot so the damage the opponent receives from the flower effect is about as substantial as Peach's regular up tilt damage.

@@lasercraft32 her magic attacks would be weaker oversll, and the flower duration would be low. The more flower attacks tacked on in quick succession can increase the flower's duration, however.

That's my girlfriend standing on her tiptoes just out of frame haha, she absolutely nailed the timing on that

@@MockRockTalk Kudos to your girlfriend, then!

I know PK Fire is a move a lot of people find kind of annoying, but at the very least you need to actually use it like a proper projectile haha, yoyo breaks the standard waaaaay more

i think the move would be straight up useless then

Your sacrificing the functionality of the character just for the sake of faithfulness.

He is not strong to the extent where he would need one of his more iconic moves gutted to the point of uselessness to be 'balanced'. He is certainly on the higher end but I don't even think the case is rock solid that he is the strongest in the game. Minecart is a far more sensible thing to have a glance at nerfing. It is not a particularly fair move and changing it would bring him down a peg but not utterly destroy their purpose. Steve is a setup character, he is allowed to have a tool that enables setups.

It guts his absolutely degenerate combo game and cheesy block edguards while letting Steve still make a wall and mine in the corner. I for one would be all in on this change.

nah bro, that would make them esencially useless on top of chaging too much his playstile. It would be better to just nerf everithing else a bit

Charge shot is a beautiful move once you leave the competitive mindset. When you are a newcomer, it instinctively shows you what this character is good at. Creating some bizarre negative edge charge shot will add unnecessary input ceiling for samus for "authenticity".

Also random question who do you think is the best character in smash at the moment?

That's a pretty reasonable direction to take it as well! Within the standards of this video it's not really the ideal in my eyes because getting stone tools is very easy, and I can't make a suggestion that would completely rework all of the materials' power, but as a more general idea I think it's solid. As for the top character, it's honestly very hard to say. My answer is always "whoever has the best overall weighted matchup spread" and tbh I think that might _still_ be Pikachu, but it's really tough.

I do agree that is who has the best matchup spread and pikachu just only has 2 losing matchups and steve i think has like 5 or 6 which is still good but not like pikachu. Steve is like GaW where he just invalids a lot of characters and has like amazing moves but because how he struggles with characters with really long range. like with the recent tournament with leo and acola it showed that steve really struggles with Byleth range.

Lol the point of this video is to make a sensible nerf if you had to nerf a character. Not gut an already mediocre move into oblivion.

My choice for Zelda would be to increase the amount of time it takes to manually send the phantom. I think the lower hitbox is fine, but what makes it strong is the fact that Zelda can send it at will and the opponent can’t react to it

Agree with 3.1

Very interesting concept for both ideas ! If I especially like the rework, however I still think that increasing the lag of charging animation (start) or stocking animation (end) is going to bring another problem to the table. As MockRock said, it will be preferable to not encourage Samus to camp, and the 2 nerfs you proposed don't match with this criterias because: 1) if the charge storing animation is longer, than there's less combo potential, AKA less close range fight, AKA more camping 2) if the startup lag is increased, as you say, the Samus would have to balance that with even more distance, and thus more camping Except for those points, I totally agree with your take, good analysis man :)

Yeah Zoom save you from being ko on Hero so don't remove zoom ok.

i won't unsee this now lol

Wolf is cheesy af

Ganondorf mains would still thank you, cause afterwards they can flex on their opponents harder xD

Agreed, the pogo tail not being there is baffling considering it’s one of Ridley’s few iconic attacks. I mean, all the new moves he got in Smash are perfect for him, Space Pirate Rush is even canon now- maybe it was just a matter of the pogo tail having a gimmicky bounce the devs didn’t like for a Down-Air? But yeah Ridley feels like peak Ridley in Smash, everything is so perfectly brutal and feral. They somehow even made his size work without looking weird, that’s dedication!

Ridley I think is the result of the devs not wanting to make him too overpowered and them never dealing with someone with Ridley-like proportions. You know if he was DLC, they wouldn't have held him back that much

It does make sense. Dlc characters are juiced because money. Old characters have out dated movesets because it's easier to develop and if you do change a character, you run the risk of alienating players who like the original version of the character. Characters like steve are the way they are because he is both dlc and has a longer development time than most characters.