@@ragewayz900 Well it never seemed like a good win-now move in the first place, at least to me. How could you want a guy after watching him pull that just to get traded? Major red flags before he even got traded.
He needs healing, maybe he can to therapy with will smith. F that man. I wish him and his mental health the best but you know what? He is done in the NBA. There is no coming back from this. And I dont think he wants to. He'd rather do his own fashion show on the bench and collect a big check every month.
@@dhafiansuhartono8668 i think we trade cam and sharpe and the picks if needed for Turner or just swap CAM and Clax for Turner and Duarte, Clax cant be on the floor with Ben10.
Miles Turner is the best option for this team. Put Simmons at the point forward and the Nets would have three 6’11 players in their front court who can all defend
I think signing Kyrie and trading him later for less would be the best option. I mean the owner is super rich and at this point just wants to win so if they get back less for Kyrie I think he won't mind too much
@@BruceWaynesFactory I get that since it would make their defense better but dlo won't make the offense easier for kd. Kd was struggling against the celtics
@@pjusino5 it's PSYCHOsomatif if anything. But why is collecting checks from the Nets then. He hasnt been playing forever at this point and he wont be. He needs to grow some balls and do the thing a man needs to do. Face reality and just retire. Or at least get some insurance company to pay the rest of your contract and f off. Nets believed him and they got effed by him. He knew he wasnt coming back.
Do you know how easy it would have been for him to have avoided all this nonsense? Play the damn game. I'm not even talking about last season. Rookie year, 218 shot attempts between 10 feet and the three-point line in 81 games. That's less than three a game, but he's a rookie. Season _FOUR,_ 44 shot attempts from the same distance in 58 games. That's double-digit games where he made NO midrange shot attempts. Every offseason, what's the goal? Be better next season. That is, unless you're Ben Simpletons. You cannot be a ball-dominant, 6'10" PG in the NBA who won't shoot. Not "can't shoot." Not "don't shoot." WON'T. SHOOT. The mental stress only surfaced when he realized he wasn't getting paid.
@@maxmeier532 I think it depends on if you think mental problem should be treated same as physical problems. If someone broke their leg and can’t play, they can still collect check. Should someone still be able to collect check if they go through depression and no longer play? I don’t really know the answer
Funny enough, Tom Thibodeau I feel would’ve been the perfect coach for Brooklyn: hard-nosed, defensive-oriented, and an ego-manager but still cares for players on a personal level. The Nets may have to Oceans 11 MSG to snag him 😂
Just discovered you. Really like how you break the business side of the NBA down (because otherwise I'm clueless) and you got me hooked with the "heres the next video you should watch" thing at the end. Very smart.
Claxton is the future of this team. They need to let Drummond walk, and keep Claxton. Claxton can block shots, and with some development, can become a great defensive player. Claxton is also better at rebounding than Drummond idc what y’all say. Drummond just ball watches and is lazy on Blocks, and Rebounds nowadays. Claxton is young, has potential, and can defend the rim. Edit: Y’all do realize Claxton can improve on Free Throws right? Not everyone is Ben Simmons you know.
Bro y’all need to get a big that can play with Ben. Claxton can not share the same floor at the same time with him. Myles turner a much better rim protecting/ shooter.
Kyrie is unpredictable, you just can´t build around him. He is an exceptional player but he is the one creating the major distractions with his free humanity speech
@@martymcflywilliams9050 Trae and Rudy can become the greatest duo in the current nba. Kawhi is not coming to Atlanta and Donovan Mitchell is going to nyc or la
Think this all shows how important the regular season is when it gets to the playoffs. Everyone thought the Nets could still beat the Celtics with all their star power but ultimately it was too difficult a match up for them. Had Kyrie not missed so much of the regular season, we'd probably be looking at the Nets in the 3rd or 4th seed which would likely have altered their fortunes, at least in the first round.
You know, the Nets had one of the most promising young cores back when they went to the playoffs before KD and Kyrie came. They have literally jettisoned all of that save Joe Harris for this super team that has done nothing. And now Russell is a major piece of a resurgent Timberwolves team, Dinwiddie has elevated Dallas, Allen is a cornerstone and All Star in Cleveland. LeVert played well in Indiana and if he can get back to form for Cleveland, he could be a really good piece there. If the KD and Kyrie era doesn't bring a chip, it could go down as one of the worst super team misadventures ever. Also, Irving has less leverage than you think. Unless he wants to play for a trash team, none of the good teams have cap space to sign him for more than his player option. So unless he's willing to take less money in a worse location or play for a worse team out of pure *spite*, he's not going anywhere.
Hey A.M, Hoops, great video as always. But I took some offense on the time where you started talking about Ben Simmons' back problems. My mom has a similar disease and has had it for a couple (6) years now, and more stress causes back problems. I'm no doctor and I really didn't understand it until it put her in the hospital. Twice. It starts in the disc of the back and she had no disk as it had disappeared all of a sudden. So really, I understand you probably aren't a doctor and are a RU-vidr with basketball knowledge and I don't expect you to get this, or anyone else for that matter. All I am saying is that this is real and things like running errands, getting ready for work, being at work, cooking, all of that affected her brain as stress, then went down to her spine. Please don't make any fun of it, as it can be hurtful to some people. It is not like sneezing and throwing out your back, I just don't think you understand the situation properly. Thanks for reading this A.M. Hoops (I hope you do and everyone who comes to the comment section), and I hope you don't take any offense. Still a great video man, keep up the good work!!
I stopped making predictions on Kyrie Irving. Cause this dude can't be calculated. If you think it's unrealistic and there's a 0.1% chance of happening then Kyrie will find a way. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyrie pulls a Darren Collison and decides to retire tomorrow because he wants to become an Imam. Cause thats just that kind of guy Kyrie is! So for me there's no realistic or unrealistic when it comes to number 11
you are wrong in one point though. Kyrie is very predictable in terms of collecting a big check. All that nonsense, Bball isnt everthing, anti-vaxx, sage burning, walking to the arena with a damn stick....but he still wants that 45 mill a year. He wants to wander the world like Jules? Go ahead, stop playing games.
I never agree with SAS but he's got a point, you can't trust Kyrie to ever play a full season whether it be bc of injury or personal reasons and he hasn't shown up in the post season since leaving LeBron
Off course psychosomatic issues are a thing! It's just very interesting that they pop up exactly in difficult situations when it's about trades and contracts and muuuch money 😁😎
Not a fan of any of these teams, but I thought of this trade after the Hawks got booted, let me know what you think: Hawks get: J Grant, C Joseph, T Rozier, K Oubre, PJ Washington, Hornets 22 1st pick Pistons get: D Gallinari, J Johnson, Pelicans 22 1st pick (via Hornets) Hornets get: J Collins, K Huerter, Hawks 22 1st pick, Hornets 23 1st (via Hawks) For the Hawks, they are totally restructuring this team for a better fit around Trae. They are mainly doing this to bring in a better defensive 4 in Grant, a secondary ball handler in Rozier. They also get serviceable role players and move up in the draft. For the Pistons, they are getting rid of 2 expiring contracts for a young player, salary filler and a first For the Hornets, they are also restructuring this team for better fit. They are getting rid of Rozier and 2 expiring contracts to finally get a young center they like in Collins and another young player with 4 years left on his contract who fits well with Lamelo. They also get an additional first. I especially like the Hawks and Hornets rosters after this trade. If anyone says no I think it would be the Hornets, but I think if they cant find a trade for a star, this is a pretty good route.
Blake, Drummond, and Aldridge is for sure gone. Patti Mills will be interesting if he stays. I would keep Dragic and be excited to have Joe Harris back and see what Simmons brings. Have two impactful players not on the floor during the playoffs hurt. Not saying it is the answer, but it could be an entirely different team with one more shooter and a defensive presence. If the nets could get Grant from Detroit and add Ben that would be some defense that could go well with the offense of Kyrie and Durrant.
Dude Kyrie nearly every season misses major time and that almost always contributes to playoff disappointments. Steven A has a point why would I pay a 4-5 year Supermax for a guy that plays half the time given his history. I’m no closer to a title with kyries unreliability if I’m the nets.
The Nets are suffering from the Atlantic Yards CBA curse. They built the arena and the nearby housing with community support and signed a Community Benefits Agreement (CBA) in 2005. After they got the arena, they ditched the community and sparked gentrification. The people who fought for the arena got pushed out of the community. I told Nets fans at the beginning of the season that I do not think they will ever win a championship there because of what they did to that community.
Why isn't the player option realistic? The Nets would just say "you can take the option or leave in free agency" Teams aren't going to line up to offer him long term big money deals. Even if they do is Kyrie going to like Sacramento, Orlando, or Indiana? Brooklyn is his ideal situation. I don't think he'd give it up at the end of the day.
Quinn Snyder would be at Duke before he coaches the Nets. Brooklyn is a mess and is a lottery team after Kyrie and KD are gone within three weeks. Utah is at least stable.
Honestly though kyrie needs a Rudy gobert situation. Go be crazy in the middle of nowhere where nobody in their right mind wants to play, be the star of the team play all the games and be a barely first rd and out playoff team every year and that’s the only way we’ll ever hear of this man just playing ball being happy and stop diving head first into any drama he can sniff out
as bad as westbrook was thought to be this year, at least the guy is always available. I wouldn't give Kyrie anything. Let him go, set a new precedent for handling these types of players.
Mental stress can fk up one's back/neck, at least in conjunction with poor posture and poor diet. In 1998, I had a herniated disc in my neck (head banging as a teenager injury 1988 seriously), and went through a very stressful time I handled horribly. My neck and upper back muscles tightened so much that I lost all feeling in my left arm and most of my right for several months. Insurance sucked and doctors couldn't fix me. Bankrupted me. Went to a chiropractor, who fixed me instantly, unfortunately at the cost of horrible neck pain ever since. So, partially paralyzed with no pain or mobility at the cost of pain. Ever since has been a journey of taking better care of myself. Tmi....sorry...just saying I know it's possible. If I was rich it wouldn't have been as big a problem, so my empathy is about nil for Simmons
Watching this for the first time and it's like the nets were listening to this channel. KD demanded a trade and the nets fired Nash .Only kyrie is so unpredictable and opt in on his player option
Keep Nash, and trade everybody else. Get young players who are putting good numbers as role players or are coming of the bench. Im sure they will work hard to prove they can be starters. Build a team with young players who can work together.
KD will demand a trade and will go to the Lakers to join Lebron, to try to win another chip. Kyrie and Simmons will not be traded since no team would want them and I do agree with you on Nash being fired.
The Nets basically did every possible bad decision: allowing players to have too much control on the franchise, traded a disgruntled employee for a questionable employee, allowed a player to elevate his ego so much it actually hurted them on their offseason and sold their depth for Harden so... bad calls Brooklyn
I really don't think Steve Nash is to blame. What can he do with the egos on that team? I don't think any of the coaches you named will be able to manage Kyrie or Simmons. Some of the leagues best coaches (including LeBron) have worked with both those guys and no one has done it. Nash was set up to lose, but it would honestly be the merciful thing to fire him and let him get a real HC job somewhere else. Maybe he'd take over for Quinn Snyder
The Nets are probably not going to do it but I think they should rebuild. Their window is closing with this roster. KD is not getting any younger and already had a major injury and Kyrie is Kyrie. I don't see them winning any title or even getting to the finals in the future. There were a lot of red flags with their plan of signing KD And Kyrie and also lost all of their depth with the Harden trade.
They could trade Kyrie, Seth, Simmons and KD for picks. Because they don't have anything left to rebuild right now. They gave up their future for Harden
the Nets starting 5 next season can look like Ben Simmons Kyrie Irving Joe Harris Kevin Durant and then like you said Casey I agree they definitely need a Big Man/Center. Out of the Nets FA's in my opinion Kyrie and Patty Mills will both pick up their (PO's), and then they re-sign Bruce Brown Jr., Nic Claxton, and Drummond if the Nets can't get a real Center. Aldridge, Blake, and Dragic I think Brooklyn should let walk in FA, I know Dragic had a decent season but they already have Patty Mills. This was a solid video Casey!!!
4 year 80 million is the most i would give him .. or let him opt in, and let him leave next year, and trade KD for picks to do rebuild. If he doesn't like it, he can leave this season. Another, really crazy option, and the trade machine says the money works, is trading for AD and Lebron with everything that Brooklyn has (without Kyrie, KD and the veteran minimum guys). Lakers would get 3 picks, and they could then trade Curry, Mills, Brown and Harris for additional pick each, get the 3 rookies that Brooklyn has (Thomas, Sharpe and Edwards), Simmons and Claxton. So 7 picks, 3 rookies with some potential, Ben Simmons and Claxton for AD and Lebron. That's not bad
That is a nice choice but the only problem is that Washington wouldn't pick up on it. Kyrie said that if he got traded he wouldn't play and at this if there is anything we can trust from Kyrie now is that he sticks to his word, so the threat of unavailability would be too much for Washington to risk.
After 2 months, we learned Kyrie himself had no leverage, bc other organizations (except LAL) wasn't eager to get all of his nonsense. the relation with KD was his only leverage. 4:47 BKN had choice 4:00 Kyrie opt in.
@A.M. Hoops, your point about the Nets being over the Cap is key! I would say let him walk otherwise ... nobody else can pay him as much as the Nets and seeing the circus that always accompanies him, nobody is likely to WANT to pay him as much or for as long. But, letting him walk doesn't give the Nets ANY flexibility to sign someone else! I'd only given him the 4 year deal and look for the FIRST chance to trade him for a Snickers Bar and some gum balls!
I’m completely fine signing Kyrie and I honestly think he would take a slightly lesser contract because he feels like he let the team down this season. They can keep all 3 stars but they need to fill out the rest of the roster better. They need a culture changer (a locker room guy/leader). Blake is a fan favorite so keep him. Keep Bruce & Claxton. We need to get players with size that can pass shoot and dribble. The clippers wings and Myles Turner would be nice
I agree with this, I think the Nets FO should make sure they can get back some on Kyrie's contract. I would say they can put in some incentive in the contract for him to play more but Kyrie clearly showed that he doesn't care about money. Keeping Blake and making him the "Haslem of the Nets" sounds like a fun idea but there has been talks that Blake wasn't happy with falling out the rotation so there is a chance he may go to somewhere that offers him a bigger role (idk where would that be unless the Lakers want to repeat their season record)
@@reaper_is_unavailable tbh i know a lot of nets fans complain about Kyrie & playing games, but if you really think about it I don’t think any of us really want him to play more than 60-65 games lol
Griffin should play games in the park with friends, not be in the NBA. There is no shame in that. He was a no1 draft pick like what, 10 years ago? for whatever reason, he hit his ceiling years ago and declined quickly. He could be a Lebron in terms of his body size but he isnt at all.
I think their best option is think long term. Don't extend kyrie, he is not a player that is reliable either injury or his mindset. Work with Ben try to get him back on the floor next year. Trade him for good role players especially at centre position and wing players. Next off season find a super start that can help kd. That's it. You can t solve this mess with few role player.
You forgot option 4. Force the rebuild. Let Kyrie walk or do a sign and trade. Trade KD see if Ben gets healthy and if he doesnt do a medical buy out as the guy can’t play anymore. If he does trade him when he gets some value again. I don’t feel you can win with the “adult” Kyrie. Cause a coach who tells him to shut up makes him shut down.
There can be clauses in contracts. Give him his max but if he doesn’t do something necessary required to even enter the building he he not only doesn’t get paid, he also gets fined. He owes the nets money at this point.
How high is ceiling is, hasnt been proven yet and that "ceiling" needs to include everything. My ceiling would be super high if I was 10 feet tall. If Ben cant play in front of audiences or when it's in the spotlight, his ceiling is as low as it can get cause the only reason he gets paid millions of dollar per month is because it's the big show.
Actually mental blocks or mental issues are the number one cause for back pain in the western society. A lot of people suffering from depression or anxiety have back issues. It's mind over body..
Dude....teams and the NBA need to STOP rewarding bad behavior. Kyrie Irving and KD experiment are 3 years complete. ZERO titles, ZERO ECF appearances . He takes ZERO accountability and for as much as he is a wizard with the basketball, he is much more trouble than what he's worth. You bring up an excellent point about how even if they wanted to, they could'nt let him go because they'd still be over the cap and can't replace him. I still think Nets have the leverage here. Why? NO other team wants him. You owe it to your franchise to at least try it again seriously next year. There will be no vaccine requirements and Kyrie will be able to start the season. I'd offer 2 years 90. It's about the same he'd be getting in open market per year. Or, they could offer a 3 year deal. NBA teams need to realize that just because a player is eligible for "max" doesn't mean he has to get it. Why would you offer him 5 years!!!!????
It went sideways big time, but you are missing a couple points. KD came back from a possibly career ending injury and couldnt play for a long time. Kyrie was injured vs the bucks and had to come back from that. Then the pandemic, lockdown, bubble and so on, including Kyrie's antivaxx stance. Harden trade coulda worked if Harden actually tried and wasnt just trying to join as a passenger. Harden was right about kyrie's antics, but harden still is a quitter. Griffin unfortunately didnt work out at all, and Joe Harris who was so important when healthy the last year, is long term injured. I mean, yeah, they were underwhelming, but they went through a lot that was out of their control. And still they almost went to the finals last year.