New Balance Rebel v4 After 100 Miles 

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im NB guy but just got the cumulus! excited to try asics!

I hope you enjoy it!

Hey, did you end up getting your usual size, or did you size up half a size on these?

@@axisofadvance666 My usual size varies all the time by brand, and even within brands. I erred towards going up. So I suppose you could say I went up half a size to an 11 regular width. Fit me perfectly.But, I often go with size 11 for NB and Saucony, while I use 10 1/2 for other brands

Hope you love them!

Thanks Captain Obvious!

and for walking around? i need some super good shoes for walk a lot for my weak feets dont hurt hehe

@@alejandromourra One of my least fav shoes for walking in. My triumph 18's are one of my go to's for walking in, so the new ones are prob even better. I also use my worn out novablasts.

glad to hear it's working!

How is the foam holding up

@@richiecortezzz7415 some creasing but still feeling energetic and fun underfoot!

glad to hear you're enjoying it!

it really is versatile

nice combo!

Did u get wide or normal size

Normal size

A very versatile shoe

Having both, I prefer the Rebel v4 over Boston 12. It’s fast without the plate and way more comfortable than the Boston 12. The Boston is an amazing shoes that you have to adapt to versus the rebel v4 that adapts to you imo.

@@DJjayenvy thank you so much, Mr. I appreciate that!

Have both and really like both. If I had to choose just one I’d have to say Rebel. It’s lighter and all around more comfortable.

@@DJjayenvy Couldn't have said any better. I own them both and feel exactly the same!

Nice!

it's my happy place

When runners get tired, almost every single one will heel strike. It's just that the pros can go a lot further with better mechanics than non-pros.

A very solid majority of people naturally run with a heel strike at most paces (pros included). The heel strike = bad is an old running myth that has hasn’t been supported by running research.

Yes. There is nothing wrong with heel striking. The majority of people do so, when running in shoes. People in the running community just try to make it a bad thing, which its not. Atleast no scientific proof that it is.

Typically the "pro" heel strike is actually the foot easing the shoe to the ground and the main weight of their body is still through a flat to forefoot landing. I think a true heel strike would be when you can really hear the shoes slapping the ground

So long as you're not overstriding heel striking is okay.

How was the v3 a boring step back? Same midsole but with 1.5 mm more stack, better oursole and upper. Definitely an improvement on the v2, not a step back, or didn't you run in them both?

Did I try any faster runs with them? yes Wasn't faster runs the purpose of this shoe? no, although I suppose it depends on the POV. New Balance has told me that the Rebel was always supposed to be a daily trainer. So as far as the manufacturer's intent goes, the answer to your question is no. But, from my perspective as someone who perceived Rebel v's1-3 as being a tempo shoe foremost, the answer to your question is yes.

The upper is very thin and breathable so in terms of climate they should be good. It’s also a great speed shoe so if it fits you snugly enough it should work for 5K. For my narrowish foot it was far too baggy for that (I had trouble cinching the laces enough to get even a solid midfoot lock). I have the Takumi Sen and Endorphin Speed for that kind of training/racing, as well as the Hyperion Max (good for speed training at least) so that’s why I didn’t buy the Rebel4. If you have a wider forefoot it should work great for you.

I'm afraid my experience may not be helpful as I have not had issues with collars on any of the shoes you mentioned. I find the Rebel 4 collar to be comfortable and not unnecessarily padded

@@kofuzi Many thanks--useful as always! I probably have a weird ankle!

I had that issue with 880 v13 only but not with Rebel V3. Heel lock lacing helped a bit.

Rebel V3 was bordering on rubbing my ankles but was softer and eventually I got used to it. I got half size up to fit in length so that might have been the reason why the ankle collar was a bit higher than usual. Rebel V4 has less padded ankle collar and bites into heel. Even though it's TTS it feels just barely long enough but too wide and I couldn't get a good fit. There is also an obvious bump in the medial side of the arch which felt intrusive to me like in a stability shoe. Overall, Rebel V4 feels nothing like V3. Foam is stiffer, upper less conforming and feels bare-bones.

Just as a point of reference - More V4 rubs my ankles, SC Trainer V1 too but eventually found one pair half size up that doesn't but had to try out like 3 pairs, SC Trainer V2 is too short TTS but feels loose half size up, 1080 V13 is too narrow and rubs my big toe.

Shoe prices? Will running and racing become an upper class only sport

I'm not familiar with the Aero Volt

I don't currently have plans to review that shoe

Hey, I was given that shoe to try when I went to my running store. They were soliciting feedback from regular customers. I thought they were really nice and quite fun. I loved the way they hugged my midfoot and felt really supportive and comfortable in general, however I have a somewhat narrowish foot so they might not work for those with wide feet. I also found the ankle collar hit the bottom of my ankle on one foot so that might bother me. They’re worth checking out though if you can find them in a store to try on.

either way, you're going to get a great shoe

Are these actually better than the nimbus 25/26?

A1. they're great. A2. true to size. a touch big, if anything.

If you’re looking for a race shoe, then probably one of the race shoes you mentioned will suit you better

@@kofuzi Hey Kofuzi, I did a track session 12x 400 in the Saucony Speed, felt great. I did an easy run the next day and the Rebel 4 was very good for that. So, you were right on. Great job sir!

Sorry to say, but this v4 appears to have other foam.

the two shoes overlap quite a bit, but it could make sense. the rebel is good at recovery days and slower days, which the Mach 6 isn't as excellent in

I have both and both are great for easy runs. If you want light and snappy go Rebel if you want steady Eddie with a bit more cushion for longer miles go nova. I will say I’m more excited to run in the Rebel.

@@dinkthinks3958 im just started to learn to run for exercising and im still can only do easy runs only for 2min and already feels my leg burning up cause im working standing all day for 12 hours so im looking for a shoes that can train me to run longer and stronger on my leg. Maybe do you have any other recommendation on what shoes should i have since im still newbie 😅

@@dinkthinks3958 i'm still a newbie at running and can only do easy runs for 1 minutes without stopping and my legs already feels burning, i thought it because i was working for 12 hours shift standing all day as barista in coffee shop. Maybe do you have any other recommendation which shoes is best to train my leg to be strong and more endurance both running and working 😄?

@dinkthinks3958 i'm still a newbie at running and can only do easy runs for 1 minutes without stopping and my legs already feels burning, i thought it because i was working for 12 hours shift standing all day as barista in coffee shop. Maybe do you have any other recommendation which shoes is best to train my leg to be strong and more endurance both running and working 😄

@@robertokeane5066I wouldn’t use a shoe to strengthen your legs and feet. Rather, you should be doing cross training (strength exercises) for legs and that will allow you to use a less supportive shoe without fatiguing. I think you’re putting the cart before the horse, so to speak. On the other hand, once you’ve built up in your training to greater endurance, you can use a shoe like this more easily. 12 hr shifts on your feet is a big challenge, especially if you haven’t run enough and done strength work for endurance. Just my thoughts….You can find a lot online about how to build up strength, speed and endurance gradually in your running.

they've quite different from the 3. sorry to hear it's not working for you

If that's the way you like to do it, fair enough. However, It's worth noting that having many pairs at once doesn't necessarily mean greater cost, provided you continue to use a shoe for its lifespan. I have quite a few pairs (including supershoes on sale for

@@DonalG45 Again, I have no beef against how others want to buy/use shoes. But the trend seems to be that all the shoe reviewers are advocating for using particular shoes for one particular use. And the effect could be that some people might think that that's the only way to run/train. So I'm just letting it be known that if the shoe works for you, it'll work for easy runs, hard runs, speed work, long runs, and even races. You don't have to obsess about finding shoes that are 1 oz lighter because people seem to be suggesting that speedwork can't be done in shoes over 8oz. Again, if people want to obsess and find the perfect shoe for any particular type of run, then by all means. But I think for the vast majority of amateur runners, it's not necessary.

@seungkim8576 I appreciate your point that some runners may feel they need to have 4-5 pairs of shoes because of the way shoes are sometimes described in reviews like this. Fwiw, I'm sure you're probably right. Most reviewers though, Mike included, never tell people that they need that many pairs. If some people choose to see it that way, that's on them. He often suggests how a shoe might fit into a rotation of shoes, which I find very helpful and, let's face it, most experienced runners will already have at least a few pairs that they use for different purposes. Re carbon plated shoes, have you ever tried a pair? At this stage, it's pretty well established the time difference a pair can make in a race. Personally, if it's not harming me or anyone else, I'm happy to use any advantage I can to run my fastest time on the day (which also includes well planned training, a good diet, sleep schedule). I'm definitely in the category of non-elite but I don't think having a few extra pairs of shoes (or supershoes) has overcomplicated things or means I'm taking it too seriously. To each their own I guess!

@@DonalG45 I agree. To each his own. I do wish, though, that there would be a popular RU-vid shoe reviewer who thinks more like I do. But I suppose if he tells people that they don't need so many pairs of shoes and to wait to buy last year's model on sale, he probably wouldn't be a very successful RU-vidr--which gets at the idea that RU-vidrs have to promote new shoes all the time in order to be successful and to get shoes for free from companies. So I'm not a big fan of this perhaps unavoiadable situation where a RU-vidr has to encourage commercialism in order to be successful. I agree that Mike doesn't tell people that they need all those pairs of shoes. But when he and all the other RU-vidrs push the idea that certain shoes can only be used for certain purposes, it's hard not to get the message. I have not tried carbon-plated shoes. Too rich for my blood. I don't doubt that they help people run faster, but I'm OK with trying to run my best without that much technological aid--though I don't think any super shoes will help me break my marathon PR of 2:52 from 18 years ago. Age trumps shoes. And if I only run 3:20 instead of 3:15 because I don't wear carbon-plated shoes, I'd say to myself, "So what?" What difference would those 5 minutest make to a non-elite amateur runner? Also, I'd prefer to focus on running enough miles to reduce my race-day weight which would probably affect my time more than wearing Alphaflys vs. Rebel V3s.

@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183 I'm glad that you've figured out a shoe-use system that works for you and keeps you healthy. No doubt, your years of experience have helped you figure out what works for you. And I've never said that one pair of shoes is the best approach for everyone--only that a 4-5 pair rotation doesn't have to be the norm for everyone. I appreciate Kofuzi and his reviews, especially when he compares different brands and different versions; they help me to make an informed choice which is important since I don't buy many shoes. But I'd disagree that "no one is telling you what to do," in that, especially for new or inexperienced runners, the idea of a different pair of shoes for every type of run seems like gospel truth since Kofuzi and so many in the running industry repeat this mantra (and let's face it, the whole industry--shoe companies, shoe stores, shoe reviewers--depends on people buying lots of shoes and jumping on the newest trends/technologies). I just wish that even one of these influencers would say "Relax. A one-ounce difference in weight is not going to make something an everyday trainer versus a speed-work trainer, so feel free to use these for whatever you want." These influencers (and perhaps many of today's runners) seem to not know or acknowledge that for years and years most people trained successfully for races without a 4-5 shoe rotation (and might I add, their times were faster than today). Do we really need to have separate shoes for everyday training, long runs, and recovery runs? In my experience, if a shoe works well for you, you can use it for anything. One more thing: I think the science behind how long shoes last is far from settled. I do think it's almost certain that they can last longer than what shoe companies recommend (which, again, makes sense when we remember that they want to sell as many pairs as possible). It's possible that rotating multiple pairs of shoes might help them last longer. For me, the jury is still out on that. I recently retired a pair of Asics Novablasts after 1500+ miles, which I used to run during my lunch hour at work; I had a different pair of shoes (Nike Pegagus) that I used to run at home, and I used that for 750 miles. So that was a different type of shoe rotation.

It’s a great time to be a runner. There’s a lot of different shoes out there for different preferences. I’m glad you’ve found something that you enjoy!

have you had any rubbing on the back of the heel?

@@mrdsbaker None, and I do not need to heel-lock with the lacing.

@@mrdsbakerno rubbing here as well. Really enjoying this shoe.

​@@mrdsbaker yesss.... on my right foot.

Yes, but also consider the 1080 and the More

nice!

That must be because of the weight difference

If I could get the Deviate 2 at a discount, I'd get that. If not, I'd go with the Rebel

Thanks @@kofuzi! You do a tremendous job!

nice

I think it might depend on how rigorous the walking is, but either Rebel or Cloudsurfer.

I'm in the same boat as you. Tried both on in store and they both felt great. These V4s are very lite! Good luck with your decision!

@@jessa.3857 I legit wanna get both lol. But I'm leaning towards the 1080 since I got the Vormero 17 for sale.

sorry to hear about that. hope the 1080 is working better for you!

lol wtf u could exchange it even after doing a 10k in em?

@@io-rj6sk yup as long as it’s on treadmill . Here in Saskatchewan Canada 🇨🇦.

@@dustydreaver wow thats crazy lol

@@dustydreaver do they ask if u ran on the treadmil with em? or no questions asked

true to size. some may want to size down

here's the thing. In my conversations with New Balance, they insist that this shoe has not changed type. They intended for Rebel v1 to be used as a daily trainer (not as a speedier day shoe, as you and I used them)

@@kofuzi Interesting, thanks! (glad it wasn't just me). and to add this is something I've seen from different companies - not just NB

I think this is just the evolution of models and the nature of the running shoe industry these days. There have been ongoing innovations in materials and there’s obviously a dose of planned obsolescence as well. If you find a version of a shoe you can’t live without for a long period of time, buy multiple pairs. However, there are so many options out there you can probably find something as good or better down the road. But the fact is, these models will keep changing. Far far worse was the shift between the adidas Boston 9 and what followed--a much more drastic change that stunned all the previous fans of that model.

one is for daily training and can even handle workouts the other is for super easy runs, long slow distance, and super comfy casual wear

Depends on how good the “good dirt roads” and how small the “small rocks” I find that, when it comes to trails, people can envision wildly different things even when using the same words

@@kofuzi its not like gravel or anything thats moving that would be bad for the outsole its like hard pathway with some grass. Its like a “desire path” but near the side of a river. Would i be better off with novablast 4 or mach 6. I need them mostly for roads but once a month i like to go to those kind of light trails and i really dont want to buy trails shoes… I run 20km maxx….Thx in advance!

these are my runs