NEW Canyon Grail full details, ride impressions and gravel race bike comparisons

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One of the worst-kept secrets in gravel is finally out - the new Canyon Grail gravel race bike launches and it’s been completely overhauled with new geometry, internal storage, a snap-on bag, a Universal Derailleur Hanger, and a range of models at the very competitive pricing that the German consumer direct brand is known for. And yes, yes, the double decker bar is no longer a thing.
The integrated bar that replaces it has a number of benefits, and you aren’t as completely locked in as before, but it does have its own set of limitations.
I did a video on the bike back at Unbound Gravel in June, where it was piloted to the wins of both the 200 and the 100-mile women’s races. Since then, we’ve been seeing it with a jumbled paint scheme at races around the world - including gravel worlds where Kasia Niewiadoma won on it on Saturday.
I got this bike under an NDA a couple of weeks ago, and have done a few hundred miles on it.
In this video, tell you what’s new, what’s different, how it compares to other gravel race bikes. What I like about the bike, what I don’t like, and what you should consider if you are considering buying one.
CANYON GRAIL US PRICES & WEIGHTS
Grail CF 7 (GRX 620, DT Swiss Gravel LN) $2699 - 9.22kg / 20.3lb
Grail CF SL 8 (GRX 820, DT Swiss G1800) $2999 - 8.74kg / 19.3lb
Grail CF SL 7 AXS (Rival AXS, DT Swiss Gravel LN) $3499 - 9.82kg / 21.65lb
Grail CF SLX 8 Di2 (GRX Di2, DTD Swiss GRC 1400) $4999 - 8.5kg / 18.74lb
Grail CF SLX 8 AXS (Force AXS, Zipp 303) $5499 - 8.14kg / 17.9lb
Grail CFR AXS (Red w power meter, DT Swiss GRC 1100) $7999 - 8.04kg / 17.7lb
Grail CFR LTD (Red with power meter, DT Swiss GRC 1100) $8999 - 8.04kg / 17.7lb
CANYON GRAIL GEO
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0:00 intro
1:30 what's new
1:54 geo
4:24 seatpost
5:34 handlebar
11:29 ride feel
12:22 storage
15:21 loves and don'ts
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@Wizue 8 месяцев назад

After watching your video i am really happy! You are after a really long search the only one who talks about the replaceability of the Stem and Handlebar ! Thank you very much!!!

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 8 месяцев назад

Glad that was helpful. I am going to do a video on swapping the bar/stem - just waiting on Canyon to tell me pricing and availability info.

@lazlo2511 10 месяцев назад

Funny how the geo which we thought wasn’t completely suitable is now the new best thing. This stiffer setup will no doubt give you some harsh feedback. I like that they have so new storage options but giving gravel riders an aero seat post over comfort is going to be interesting. I look forward to riding reviews on this model. The locked in cockpit is going to make some enemies.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Hehe. Fair. The cockpit is interesting; I suspect many people can hop on, adjust their saddle height and fore/aft, and pedal off without issue. But the bike world has been telling (and selling) people to dial in their fit for so long, and this effectively takes the stance that a stock fit is all most anyone needs.

@mattiasstenmark4918 10 месяцев назад

I received my Giant Revolt Advanced O 2023 in the lovely plum colour the same day this bike was released... For a few hours I was having a little bit of FOMO but quickly realised that the Revolt wins imho because of cables, tyre clearence, cockpit and overall comfort. At least I hope so.

@KOL630 10 месяцев назад

Nice review. I like the idea of customising stem length and bar width at time of purchase, makes perfect sense. I really like the cockpit and aero Garmin mount. So cool. Gotta love Canyons constant innovation. I have the cheapest grail AL and it’s a great bike.

@jmscheel 10 месяцев назад

Very detailed and thoughtful review. Interested in the ride impressions to follow.

@PaulFrost35 10 месяцев назад

I’ve just had a test ride on this at Canyons HQ in Koblenz. I’m 188cm tall, 91.5cm inside leg,and although the geometry chart on the Canyon website suggests that I need a large the staff there told me that they recommend a medium as it’s a long bike. All of the staff said I spoke to said that in their experience everyone needs to go down a size. The medium felt like my Endurace large, both in position and handling. I tried a large and it felt enormous was not comfortable. I normally ride a 58 Specialized Diverge, and this felt so much more nimble and fast. The lighter weight probably makes most of the difference, but it felt good. I’m tempted, but I really want a mullet gearing with a 10-52 and 42 chainring. I love climbing and technical surfaces but I only have an FTP of 215, and at 66 I’m not going to get any fitter. The Crux may be an option but I’d like downtube storage and top tube mounts. The Enve Mog is another one I’ve looked at but haven’t ridden. Ben, you’ve ridden them all, how would you compare the Mog to the Grail? I’m looking for a fast gravel bike that can handle the rougher stuff and be comfortable on long rides (100km+),but I don’t want to go bikepacking .

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 9 месяцев назад

That is great that you can test ride at HQ. The MOG and the new Grail are similar now in some ways, like the MOG's 71.25 to the Grail's 71.5 head angles. Grail is longer wheelbase, and much longer top tube. MOG can take a 50mm tire to the Grail's 42mm. Depending on how rough and technical you want to get, that tire clearance factor may be the key part. I'm with you on no bikepacking. :-)

@TyTy22_ 10 месяцев назад

Regarding the complaint of not being able to select handlebar/stem sizes, I brought this up to a Canton employee at SBT. He assured me that it’s in the works to be implemented, but is a bit down the road. So hopefully that comes to fruition. Now for a wall of text The number one thing I’m stuck on is the bike’s wheelbase/reach. My 2XL Grizl is smaller in both departments than the new XL Grail, and that blows me away. Ben, if you have any experience with singletrack or something like a CX course with the bike, I would love to know your thoughts on how it handles aggressive turning. I was planning to buy this bike in a size down from my Grizl due to a better overall position for me being with an 80mm stem. The problem that creates for me, however, is the bike handling in a way that even the slightest turn of the bars causes me to nearly dump the bike. So seeing the geometry much larger with the cockpit being smaller has me scratching my head on what to do. I love everything else the bike has to offer, but man that 2XL is a long boi

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Will be interesting to see if they can pull off the pick-your-bar option. I get them wanting to simplify their shipping and warehousing, but they gotta understand that riders are interested in their own fit, not Canyon's streamlining. I'll do more riding on a variety of surfaces, roads/trails, and holler back. At first blush, it does feel more mountain bikey with the slacker/longer handling paired with a stubby stem.

@skibomber12 10 месяцев назад

Hello TyTy, it seems as though you have put some thought into the geo of your bikes. Can I get your opinion on sizing? I am considering a Grizl, and cannons calculator puts me teetering between XL and XXL. I am 6’5”/36”inseam. I have been comfortably riding a 2019 checkpoint 61cm, but feel it is too small and upright.

@niklasdksalkin 9 месяцев назад

I'm within 2 cm of fitting on the XL. Not keen on sizing up to the 2XL, way too big. Wish they offered a longer seat post

@pauladema572 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. I totally agree with cockpit limitations. I'd like to be able to get an uncut steerer and be able to pick bar and stem sizes. Also, don't like what looked like a proprietary seatpost shape.

@sambrown1779 10 месяцев назад

The aero bar option is awesome. Opens the grail to the adventure ultra distance types 👍✌️✌️

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

True. The initial set up takes a bit of time, but once you have that dialed it’s quick to remove and reinstall.

@patrickrenschler 10 месяцев назад

thanks for the review! I wish they had a sram 2x option, maybe they are trying not to compete with their endurance model?

@kestralrider313 5 месяцев назад

Great video, as usual. I found the aero bar option one of the bigger draws to this updated bike. I love the Ostro for maybe one of the best integrated clip-on options available, but don't love the max tire clearance on the OSTRO VAM. Love the additions to storage, don't love the stock bar widths either, but at least it's not 1.25" steerer; so glad to see them making the steerer 1.125" to allow third party, like maybe an ENVE or Black Inc cockpit or just separate stem/bar options. The inability of the AeroRoad is the main reason I haven't picked up that bike as my aero road option.

@BrianMcDonald 10 месяцев назад

I've been experimenting with a mullet setup and it is making me wish more and more companies made all their bikes with UDH compatibility. Looking forward when road/gravel groupsets can utilize the performance benefits of the direct mount derailleurs :)

@Acousticmarine678 10 месяцев назад

A Canyon owner x4 now, 3 MTBs and the Grizl. I have not had any real problems with the bikes out of the box or long term at this point. The value is phenomenal, bike shops can't compete. If you plan to ride long miles on their bikes, know your bike fit well, as you may have to size up or down depending on your body type if you fall between sizes. They have a 30 day return policy if you blow the size, so that is a peace of mind. Go Ben :). Western slope old guy

@milan4ever 10 месяцев назад

How long have you had them?

@Acousticmarine678 10 месяцев назад

I bought my first Canyon in spring 2019. That was not long after they started selling in the U.S.@@milan4ever

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

That 30-day policy is a confidence-booster. Thanks for mentioning.

@markreams3192 10 месяцев назад

Press fit BB? Deal killer!

@barrowsworm1226 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Ben! I love the new geo, and the frame storage. I think one could fit 45s if needed, as long as it was not for muddy riding? I wish, wish, wish Canyon would consider selling the frameset (frame, post, integrated bar) packages for the CFR-I prefer to build up my own bikes to my preferred spec; at least for the top level frame. And you are right, online consumers should be able to pick their integrated bar/stem set up to suit at the time of order. But the price is so good on Canyons, I guess swapping out later is not too big a deal. I am currently on a Stigmata 3, but am looking for a new bike with bit longer wheelbase/reach, with a lower BB, for a bit more stability and a little more forgiving handling. This appears to offer that without being as radically "new school" as the Stigmata 4.

@gerryl8310 10 месяцев назад

Great as always Ben. So stoked to see you got in the new Grail. Been waiting daily for this thing to drop! Finally! Definitely looking forward to the long term review. Not meaning to open up a can of worms at all but hmmmm, wondering what a different wheel set would do here. For use on pavement and trail (Los Angeles). Cheers!

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. Like any gravel bike, it would be capable on the road. Two things to consider when putting on another wheelset with skinny tires: -a gravel bike's low BB will get even lower going from 40s to 28s or whatever, and that could be an inadvertent pedal strike in a corner -gearing might not be quite sufficient, depending on your preferences for group rides and such

@gerryl8310 10 месяцев назад

Didn't think of the BB being lower with 28's or 30's. Excellent catch. Thxs. I am stuck btw new Grail and S Works Crux. I know it's big $ no matter what but I'm old/this will be my splurge/one and done. Quick question, feel free to shoot from the hip... compliance/smoother ride... new Grail or Crux? Oh that wheel set I mentioned is Capital SL 40's coming out spring. Cheers!@@TheRidewithBenDelaney

@GBatAP 10 месяцев назад

Great review! Ive been waiting for this one for awhile now. Im with you on the bar issue, let me pick my width when i buy it. A few years ago they had this option on the aeroad or ultimate si hopefully they bring that back. Geometry is very Stigmata-esque which i think is a good thing and love the tuxedo and the bronze paint jobs 👌

@robbchastain3036 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, Ben, I really appreciate your taking us into your garage for a look-see at new bikes and new components and what not. And with wins in Kansas and the Worlds, Canyon has already proven that bike is good and what's the new sales adage, Win in Kansas, ship yours anywhere. Something like that. And it is nice that bike can accept other bars and stems, stock ones seem too wide and better to have the option to swap. Please tell us more about the ride. 😀

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. At least one more video coming up in a bit.

@kwisawesome 9 месяцев назад

Ben, Can you compare new grail and Giant revolt? Thanks.

@adamcoppock5018 10 месяцев назад

Nice bike! Thanks for the video... I never got the whole integrated handlebar and stem thing in the bike Industry, feels like a solution for problem that doesn't exist.... It's interesting that they're moving to mountain bike geometry, however, I would suggest that the thing that holds a gravel bike back is not the geometry, its rubber on ground, so I wouldn't imagine you'll get the full benefits of mountain bike geometry with gravel tires so I would put this more in the bucket of marketing than absolute translatable performance results for ya bucks.

@HarryPotter-wm3kf 10 месяцев назад

This is the best introduction I have seen so far! Well done :-) Keep it up Ben ... Greets from Germany ... Ride on ;-) However you mentioned the wrong price for your CFR model ! Check that at 15:40...

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Thank you. That price is correct for the CF SLX 8 Di2 model, which is what they sent me there for demo. You are right, the CFR model is more.

@AndreasHappyfarm 10 месяцев назад

I love what they have done with internal storage and the bag. 1.1/8" steerer is cool. New seatpost design is good. Don't love that they use bb86. Excellent for Shimano, but DUB bearings in 41mm frames is not good for longevity or performance.

@jonathanzappala 10 месяцев назад

I’m a fan of bb86, but t47 is just the best solution that should be adopted by all bikes.

@AndreasHappyfarm 10 месяцев назад

Bb86 is great as a whole. But not with SRAM.

@barrowsworm1226 10 месяцев назад

Best approach is to swap out the BB for a BB Infinite single piece set up when the OE starts getting cranky. The single piece BB Infinite ones for Dub work well.

@AndreasHappyfarm 10 месяцев назад

@@barrowsworm1226 better, but there’s still no getting around the physical limitations of a ø28,99mm spindle in a ø41mm frame. Bearing size is an issue no matter what. Canyon could go to a pf386evo. I've worked as a mechanic for 15 years and much prefer pressfit.

@barrowsworm1226 10 месяцев назад

I have put 4000 miles on the bearing size which BB Infinite uses with no issues with a Dub spindle, the BB is still totally smooth (1 clean and re-grease), so I am sold that this approach is a viable solution for Dub spindles in a PF 41mm shell. The 1 piece BB shells also use an internal bearing sleeve which avoids the problem of some users applying excess pre load.@@AndreasHappyfarm

@motohead9266 10 месяцев назад

At that price this bike looks hard to beat. It incorporates just about everything I'm looking for.

@motohead9266 10 месяцев назад

gah, just realized that the tire clearance won't allow for the tires I like.

@bestretirementever7931 10 месяцев назад

Great review. Agree on your comment to Canyon about ordering different size bars/cranks. I just bought an Endurace CF SLX Red AXS eTap. I needed a large but ride 172.5 cranks. It only comes with 175's. So, I knew when ordering I was going to change them Funny thing, when I assembled the bike, it actually had 172.5's. So, their mistake saved me time and money. Get bike, wholly support Canyon and their consumer direct business model. Th days of 14,750.00 S-Works Roubaix are behind me.

@brandonbabcock 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for this review, Ben! I've been waiting for this one and am excited to hear more. Do you know if the bike comes with a frame bag? I would assume not but I also don't see it available for purchase on Canyon's website. I am also quite happy they've provided, what appears to be, well-built fenders and options for fork mounts (or lack of).

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

You are welcome. More to come. I assume the bag is separate; will ask on price.

@qfudgedoggy 2 месяца назад

I have the OG Grail 2018 with the Hover bar. Not being able to qdjust the front end is my only complaint, this does not change that. Great bike otherwise...cant beat the price point. A similar specked LBS bike is $2k more.

@alanhill7965 10 месяцев назад

I love my Grail SLX I’m not in any hurry to get the new one I also like the bars

@dirkkampen22 Месяц назад

Love the video! Maybe a weird question, but if you would switch out the gravel tires for road bike tires, how would it perform?

@randyhale4181 10 месяцев назад

More Barry please❤

@86309 10 месяцев назад

Nice job Ben, fun to watch your transition from being a "snooty" roadie to all things gravel haha ! Sometime in the future could you cover the bars and the aero bars in a video where you setup and ride them ? Their website currently shows the aero-cockpit setup available Spring of 2024 and don't mention the 400mm pro model or show the bolt on aero bars available at all.

@pandatactical4530 10 месяцев назад

Same here! Love my Lauf Seigla Race!

@86309 10 месяцев назад

Sorry , I edited my Seigla love paragraph out, but we know the love! @@pandatactical4530

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, good idea. I can definitely do a video on the three bar configurations I have: 44/40/aero extensions.

@bcm1013 10 месяцев назад

Worst kept secret indeed. Been waiting for the official cover to come off the new Grail since Unbound. I have the older Grail CF SLX w/ Di2 which I am taking to Big Sugar next week. Really interested in hearing your thoughts on how this new one compares to something like the Revolt which I have experience with as my son has one with mech GRX. Have loved the features and value the older Grail offers but have grown to really enjoy the ride of the Revolt as it is more planted feeling versus the twitchiness of the older Grail. Also, Canyon customer service has been great in the 2.5 yrs I have had mine when needed which got me passed the DTC concerns. Looking forward to hearing your full-on review.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

See you in Bentonville.

@thakoharris 10 месяцев назад

I have the OG Grail - can’t really say it’s twitchy IMHO. Feels super stable.

@frienduro24 2 месяца назад

Tire clearance is technically at 700x 42 mm, but Canyon points out that's with fenders, so the effective maximum tire size is closer to 700×45 mm (40 mm-wide tires come stock across the board)

@pulex73 10 месяцев назад

i don't like canyon, heck i am even not a roadie, nor a graveleur....BUT! i like good productreviews and nice bike content, so thank you!

@stefanodirector 10 месяцев назад

I hated the look of that frame bag, but you made me re-think about. The colour schemes available are a bit of a let down, the top end being the only one I like. I'm sold on the bars though, that "Corsair" wing I really dig. Congrats on your renewed partnerships, looking forward to more episodes of accurate content.

@dcmg3979 7 месяцев назад

Great Review Ben! i have a question regarding the cockpit though I'm thinking of getting a grail and swapping out the cockpit for a traditional Bar-Stem as i prefer my bars on the narrower side of things. i noticed you mentioned "witching out" the bars in the end of the video if i interpreted it correctly, i was wondering how its going for you on that front.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 7 месяцев назад

Finally got some info back from Canyon about it. Hopefully by February. Thanks for asking.

@awetdog73 3 месяца назад

Hi, you’re on a medium, how tall are you? Thanks

@marcisdedzis7959 10 месяцев назад

Hi Ben, once again an amazing review, in your style, love it. Question, how would you compare this bike to the BMC Kaius, in terms of riding stiffness and comfort?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. The Kaius may be a tiny bit more forgiving, but it's been months since I've been on that so I don't have an immediate back-to-back feel, sorry. Pedaling/steering stiffness I'd say they are on par.

@micheljoosten8941 10 месяцев назад

Adding the Cervelo Aspero to this comparison. Would you say the Aspero is still the most stiff? In terms of handling I assume the Aspero is the most direct because of the shortest wheelbase? Great review and can’t wait to hear the deep dive!

@user-qq9tn9ix4s 10 месяцев назад

thumbs up for adding dog to video!

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Barry is always nosing his way into things…

@cesar0610 10 месяцев назад

Excellent review as always. I ended up buying a 2020 Trek Checkpoint SL6 because of your great review few years ago. Now I'm looking a new gravel bike and this one is in my shortlist, and because of that, I'd like to ask you if this new Canyon "D shape" seatpost can be replaced by regular rounded one like it's doable in the Giant Advance Revolt and Canyon Grizl. Do you like better this new Canyon Grail or the Giant Revolt Advance? Thanks again for your great video and hope you can advise me in between the new Grail or the Giant Advance Revolt

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Thanks, Cesar. Checkpoint is still a great bike, I think. No, you're stuck with Canyon posts on this bike. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but certainly something to be aware of. Revolt vs Grail.... that's a tough one! I want to spend more time on this bike with bars that fit me better. The Revolt is a bit more comfortable with more flex in the post. Not a lot, but it's noticeable, I think. So the verdict... I will need a little more time for.

@DCCSound 10 месяцев назад

Was leaning towards an SLX 8 AXS in "metal grind" but Canyon have pulled the variant... Now rooting for a Grizl upgrade; UDH, maybe same geo as Grail and keep the 50mm tyre clearance.

@marciomvp9458 3 месяца назад

Hi Ben, thank you for the video. How does the Grail ride feel compares to Ventum GS1?

@tristramcharnley2581 10 месяцев назад

The inability to run a dropper post is a HUGE drawback and the one piece bar and stem rules out a suspension stem - I love my RedShift on rocky, bumpy surfaces. Aero profile also makes it a struggle fitting a bar bag. That, and the press fit BB make it a big no from me.

@dortadamas 8 месяцев назад

Lo que hace pensar que la GRIZL es más capaz que la GRAIL

@Techwonderland 10 месяцев назад

Saw the bar shape and was thinking the same thing being a Revolt rider. The geo is somewhat similar too, the Revolt having a taller stack though.

@NkB984 10 месяцев назад

So the Grail is now longer/slacker than their supposedly more offroad oriented Grizl. Makes me think the Grizl is in need of a refresh. Also, I get keeping that low tire clearance differentiates it from the Grizl but it just seems unnecessarily limiting. They could have boosted it to 45mm and then bumped up the Grizl in its next refresh to something like 29x2.25 to make it more versatile for truly rough offroad adventuring.

@dortadamas 8 месяцев назад

Para ruedas más anchas ya están las Hardtail MTB

@jamessher6956 10 месяцев назад

I use a Ritchey Venture Max XL 50cm, better forget gravel racing. Also like the 45c tires on my Revolt. Off the back is ok .

@fennec13 10 месяцев назад

Looks soild - I'd still go for a Grizzl over the Grail IMO

@jjncravo 7 месяцев назад

Hi Ben. Thanks for your videos. Would you buy this bike with a predictable upgrade to Di2 coming this year?

@thomasderby7105 8 месяцев назад

Great review as always. Just a heads up regarding the handlebars - running anything except the stock bars voids the warranty on the bike. This according to Canyon when I spoke to them a week ago or so.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 8 месяцев назад

Really? Huh, good to know. Thank you.

@neil78 10 месяцев назад

I'm surprised that they're still hanging on to a press fit BB with a completely new model. It would make it much easier to service at home, especially for a DTC brand. I think they needed to go stiffer also because they already have the Grizl and didn't want too much product overlap. Digging: The bag, the storage options and that they kept the 1x and 2x drivetrains. I like the handlebar but I could see how it's limiting and can be a pain to work on at home. They seem to be taking the Apple approach to by offering lots of various add-ons for a cost. I'm wondering if SRAM AXS 2x would have been a better option than Di2 especially with the easy availability of the powermeters and being true wireless? Not loving: As mentioned BB, paint colors, and configurability. I wish they'd even go a bit further than letting you spec handlebar widths and stem length, how about wheels? I know this introduces more complexity on their end and rather than pumping out thousands of preconfigured bikes, they'd have to actually build them for a consumer but it makes happier customers. I'd also like to see at least a one side powermeter on the $5400 spec.

@sevelo321 10 месяцев назад

Nice thoughtful review. The old double bar was a sore spot, but since the entire front end of the OG Grail was built around it, I guess they were stuck. On this new one, it's another leap of faith witht he giant TT and stubby 70mm stem with overly wide bar. In the same price range, how would you stack the new Grail up against the Orbea Terra or the Basso Palta?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

I haven't ridden either of those. Been talking to the Orbea USA folks, so I can remedy that one. On Basso, I don't believe they are available stateside.

@EB1FriedrichKemper 3 месяца назад

Hi Ben, who does it compare to the 3T Racemax you had in your videos before?

@3TZZZ 10 месяцев назад

Nice straightforward review. What a relief! Thanks Ben. …The new Grail is definitely a contender in the gravel race / all-road category now. However, the limitation on reach adjustment with those stock bars with only a 70mm! stem is too short for me. It’s not a mountain bike! My Cervelo Aspero in size 56 is 10mm shorter in the frame than a size M Grail, but I need a 100mm stem on the Aspero, leaving the stock Grail stem 20mm short. Big problem Canyon ...as if it’s only human beings' leg length that differs and not torso or arms! LOL. So much for being environmentally friendly, just throw away those fancy stock bars if they don't happen to fit!? Hmmm...

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Thanks. Sounds like we are the same size. I am going to put on a bar with a 90mm stem. Will do a video on that soon.

@3TZZZ 10 месяцев назад

Cheers Ben, I’ll watch with interest. …Have you reviewed any 3T Exploro’s or Open bikes lately? (none came up in a search). I’ve become a Gerard Vroomen devotee, via Cervelo to 3T. My 3T Exploro Ultra is exceptional, though I’m considering swapping the SRAM AXS mullet for GRX 12 speed 2x mechanical …rad I know! LOL ...not sure electronic 1x gearing on gravel bikes is all its cracked up to be. @@TheRidewithBenDelaney

@nofinglimit 10 месяцев назад

I'm here to see you sending it around Boulder

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

And I am here to hopefully see you on a Saturday ride again one of these days.

@echtogammut 10 месяцев назад

This seems to be a bike designed for pros competing in a limited series of races, who have a quiver of bikes to choose from. An aero seatpost is stupid and all gravel bikes should have a round seatpost that allows for the option of adding a dropper. The tire width, works for mad lads who are pushing at the front, but for the rest of us who will be riding this on various trails on the weekend, wider tires would have been nice. I just jumped on the site and nothing is in stock, which is pretty much always the case I look on their website.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Ah, I don't think it's just for pros. Definitely a competition- or speed-focused bike for sure, which can be a good option for folks who like riding dirt roads and don't want or need big tires. I think they're doing a good job of differentiation with the Grizl being the all-rounder/big tire/bikepacking/underbiking option.

@CrabgrassFarmer 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, the tire size is limited because they wanted to give the pros the ability to put a giant front chainring on, that we mortals will never be able to turn. But your tire size is limited by it nevertheless.

@CodeCmdr 9 месяцев назад

Does the higher stiffness of the CRF carbon frame noticeably reduce the riding comfort? I'd be interested in whether the CRF and CF SLX feel different, and whether the CF SLX might actually be a better choice for an amateur who only rides for fun.

@userdjee834 9 месяцев назад

In another youtube review, it is said that CFR has 10% stiffer bottom bracket and 10% around the fork

@mseeberg 2 месяца назад

shame the sram force version doesn‘t come in this black paint shown here. really like this look but 8k for sram red cannot be justified…

@ggreloaded5269 10 месяцев назад

This bike came out right after I purchased the the Grail CF SLX9 etap with the doble decker bars 😭

@KwadSkwad 10 месяцев назад

Barry needs to be reviewing bikes now.

@pascalwaltenier4108 6 месяцев назад

Hello Ben. Verry helpfull your revieuws! Do you have allready tested the bike with an another Handlebar? What were your problems with the original? What handlebar do you consider?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 6 месяцев назад

Glad to hear it. Yes, I did swap over the bars, just to get a longer reach. I don't have a problem with the shape, it's just the fixed dimensions that can pose a potential issue depending on your preferences. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N_Npybu_25I.html

@pascalwaltenier4108 6 месяцев назад

@@TheRidewithBenDelaney What brand(s) and type(s) handlebar do you remmomand for graveling?

@cntchds 5 месяцев назад

Where is the Di2 Junction A(Charging port)? I regret buying the SRAM Rival version, and thinking about swapping my GRX Di2 on, but it looks like it doesn't have the holes to run the bar-end Di2 junction box. Thanks for the thoughtful reviews!

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 5 месяцев назад

It goes in the bar end. I did this video about swapping bars and you can see it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N_Npybu_25I.htmlsi=4GjAiAPsTVz0cbvY

@cntchds 4 месяца назад

@@TheRidewithBenDelaney thanks mate. Got Di2 all sorted. Noticed in your other video that it only has holes for the junction on the right side, and I had only unwrapped the left to check for holes. Good news is that even the lowest end bar (no gear groove) is still Di2 capable!

@ilanpi 10 месяцев назад

Yet another defect of this integrated cockpit is that you cannot even modify the bar angle. It prevents you from having your preferred bar angle, e.g., at the drops.

@_dmart 10 месяцев назад

He mentions the steerer is 1 1/8” so you can use a standard stem and bar if you wanted to

@ilanpi 10 месяцев назад

@@_dmart So you pay a premium price for the bicycle, only to pay even more just to set your bar angle.

@kevinsatzinger2648 10 месяцев назад

Interested in how it does “as a road bike” with 28-32mm wide road tires, and when you think 12-speed GRX Di2 might show up on these, if at all

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

I'll try it with other wheels and skinnier tires and let you know. Regarding 12spd GRX Di2, all Shimano will say is that it is coming, but not when. I believe they are waiting for their customers (the bike brands) to sell through a good portion of the 11spd GRX Di2 bikes they have in stock.

@gorgosvk12 10 месяцев назад

Still hard to beat the old double decker grail, now in grx di2 and with dt swiss carbon wheels for 3 699 €

@LuisGarcia-iz2xx 10 месяцев назад

Why do you think the old one is better objectively? I'm in between the two

@gorgosvk12 10 месяцев назад

@LuisGarcia-iz2xx Pros: better value for money, more comfy seatpost cons: external cables, no option to change stem/handlebar if it does not fit you If you don't mind the look of old handlebars (actually I do really like it, and I find it useful as well - more stable position in descents), than the older model is just as good :) The only real reason to buy new one is, that you are able to dial in your position better with interchangeble stem/handelbars.... internal storage (and nice frame bag) on new one is nice, but I would not care about that that much :D

@LuisGarcia-iz2xx 10 месяцев назад

@@gorgosvk12 sweet! Thanks you for the detailed answer! Really aprreciate it :D

@LexZolnir 10 месяцев назад

Blundys on for bike shop mechanic cool ✔, crazy looking backyard fencing ✔, never have seen someone attach the seatpost to the bike stand then add the bike, need to try, so Innovator ✔

@pin0teres 10 месяцев назад

I think headtube angle in this case is not about it being race'y or not, and rather it is about the bike not behaving twitchy with this silly short stem. They should not name it Grail, because these are different bikes. Not only head tube is slacker but they also increased fork offset/rake. 1st gen Grail was a gravel close to an endurance bike, and 2dn gen Grail is a gravel near XC territory. I feel like their lineup is missing a most useful kind of gravel bike, and all-road build of Endurace does not fill this gap.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

What do you think about the Grizl?

@pin0teres 10 месяцев назад

@@TheRidewithBenDelaney It has similar geometry to Grail gen 1 + all "adventure" features like large tire clearance, and mounting points everywhere. On bike with such geometry I would want to put ~35 mm tires, deep rims, and some nice aero bars (I don't care about aero I want my tops flat), which would make it look weird with its external cable routing and gaping empty space surrounding narrow tires.

@blazacrew 10 месяцев назад

It looks pretty nice and its priced well in my opinion. However I love my Scott Addict Gravel 😎. Should I ever change bikes around this might be my consideration

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

That Addict is probably crazy light too, eh?

@rockylim735 10 месяцев назад

For a 1 bike solution, revolt, aspero or the new grail? No intention of bikepacking.

@Eirikkinserdal 10 месяцев назад

When adjusting the headset stack, do you have to cut the steerer or is it like the new aeroad?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

It has a traditional steerer, that you could either cut or put spacers above the stem. You've only got 20mm total to work with, though.

@adossantos69751 10 месяцев назад

Finally a review of the grail I can agree with. Yes the integrated handlebars and stem is a big, I mean massive issue for me. Im staying well away from it until Canyon realizes that we costumers are not made of money. 44cm handlebars is massive. It a no no for me in my opnion.

@gearmonger8616 8 месяцев назад

Question Ben - would you recommend a switch to the new Grail over the 2023 Revolt? Is there a viable upgrade there or too similar? Thanks

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 8 месяцев назад

If you have a Revolt, and like the fit and feel, then no. The Grail is definitely stiffer front and rear over the Revolt; whether that is good or bad is a preference thing. The Grail's storage is a plus over the Revolt, but the fixed bar/stem dimensions are not.

@gearmonger8616 8 месяцев назад

Thanks - kinda figured you would say that. Side note - the lower spec Grails don't get the storage either. Maybe one more season on the Revolt then @@TheRidewithBenDelaney

@Hi.Im.Andrew 10 месяцев назад

Thank god they got rid of the double decker bar. It was lacking for adjustment.

@Crypterix 10 месяцев назад

Would you prefer the Canyon Grail or the new Santa Cruz Stigmata with the rigid fork?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Hmmm. I have only tried the new Stigmata with with Rudy. The Stigmata leans more mountain bike-y.

@Crypterix 9 месяцев назад

@@TheRidewithBenDelaney I'm just not sure if I'd like it better more mountain bike-y or not. I guess I have to wait for the new Stigmata to arrive in Germany and test it.

@perfectzero84 10 месяцев назад

The double decker bars and the seat post are the 2 reasons I purchased and love my Grail, sad to see them go.

@louisvuittondom 10 месяцев назад

Those trials look 👀 familiar ;). What’s the weight!

@PatHannon-jh8bz 3 месяца назад

Hi, any news on a new grail ebike.

@kennethgallegos2914 10 месяцев назад

Ben, I just broke my Canyon GRIZL frame on a minor crash. I love this Grail but I’m a little scetched out now on light weight carbon bikes.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Where did the frame break? And what was the crash? Hope you're okay.

@AX3L87 10 месяцев назад

I'd like to see you review the Scott Addict if you already havent.

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

I haven't ridden one, no. Will try!

@lancescarborough1 10 месяцев назад

Hello Ben thanks for the videos my friend! Tire clearance please?

@CleanArtSoulja 10 месяцев назад

42mm max

@Konzuug 10 месяцев назад

Basically means you can run 45mm in dry conditions

@zihaoye2382 10 месяцев назад

Does it come with the clamp for carbon rail saddle?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

Do you mean an ovalized clamp? Yes.

@j159423 10 месяцев назад

Hey Ben, great review as always. Curious if you have any thoughts on the canyon mudguard bottles you had on the bike. I've tried some others and haven't really liked them but I think these were recently redesigned?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

I actually quite like them. I have wanted to like other designs - riding Belgium farm roads=sweet; getting manure sprayed onto bottles=not so sweet - but the execution is never really great. Some have plastic half-domes that go over the nozzle. CamelBak has the little rubber covers, which look gray but are basically impossible to get back on with one hand while riding. This Canyon design is the best I have tried. The lid hinge dictates how you hold and drink, but it’s easy enough and you can close the lid with one hand. So yeah, I dig it. My wife and daughter have found the color an abomination, but I am sure there are others. 😁

@j159423 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, I really hate drinking dirt and animal feces and usually just end up wearing a pack but it's a pretty constant distraction for me. I had high hopes for the CamelBak but was similarly disappointed. These look promising as they also appear to be made of a softer material - similar to the Specialized HydroFlo Purist which is my fav water bottle. I may have to get one to try it out even though $15 shipping on a $15 bottle sticks in my craw. Thanks!

@Flyingbikes748 10 месяцев назад

Ben, is the update video on the Madone SL7 coming soon?

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

I just did a gravel race on it last weekend with some new wheels. So yeah, hopefully in the next few weeks.

@johnrichardson7195 10 месяцев назад

At the end of your video I saw you weigh it, but missed it in your review. What was the final weight

@TheRidewithBenDelaney 10 месяцев назад

I weighed this medium at 18.61lb/8.44kg out of the box with cages and all the internal storage stuff. Subtract the cages and internal storage stuff and it's 17.7lb/8.03kg.