New Denon AV Receivers 2022-23 vs Marantz Cinema - AHR-A1H, AVR-X3800H, AVR-X4800H, AVR-X2800H +more 

Bought the 3800 yesterday, should arrive Friday and I'm excited to finally move up to this higher level for me. I would have already moved up to this level a few years ago but was waiting for 2.1 to be sorted completely. I recently found your channel and it's the best for me, I like the detailed comparisons and I just "get" the way you process and display things. I'm going to have fun learning how to play with this beast!

Not willing to pay more for Marantz. Denon X3800H is the sweet spot now that it includes Auro 3D. Cheers!

Fantastic comparison Jon once again. Nice to see the Auro 3D upgrade for the Cinema 50 & 3800 series too.

Image scaling has always been a really important feature in a receiver, as have been low latency game modes, I feel the nostalgia for retro gaming is a large market, perhaps even as large as past gaming markets, even if people don’t actively play their old consoles, the appeal of retro game compatibility is so fundamentally ingrained as a checkmark in the excitement of youth’s memory. I think people want it, whether they use it or not. In the area of retro image scaling, there is allot of technical hurdles and nuances which are opportunities of innovation and product differentiation. This video gives a good insight into how scaling techniques are not all created equal. Whether TV manufacturers or Receiver manufacturers want to implement them is their decision to make. But you cant use either without the inputs, meaning you’d have to use a separate device like the retrotink 5x. Receivers aren’t separates, they’re all in one, so consider it a potential feature. Maybe license it or buy it from the creator of the retro tink. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FvFzcn8NCb4.html

Just recently got the 960 , as my 90s Sony unit died....I had been researching for a while, and I'm really happy with this unit so far... having real modern surround instead of the 90s Dolby tech makes watching a much different experience. Only a 5.1 system for now, amd not a great one...but they work much better now than they did before. I also like that I can have a 2nd monitor in my kitchen for when I'm cooking and such, can keep better tabs on the game/race/RU-vid etc... Kinda relieved that I won't really miss out on much for my uses, for now... eventually I will likely move up to the 3800 level unit or maybe higher, if I end up wanting 7.2.4 or something.... and preamp outputs, etc... but for now this S960H is plenty for my small-ish space.... Cheers, and thanks for the video.

John the new flagship Denon AVR-A1H has a new DAC, which is now the ESS "ES9018K2M" which is still a consumer grade DAC, not the PRO version unfortunately.

Thank you very much ( Denon X3800H ) is for me going to order it from Denon tonight ( thank you again ) you was a great help !

Have a Denton AVR X4800H sitting downstairs waiting to be hooked up to my Klipsch speaker system,can’t wait

Great info really thorough! A couple of minor corrections though. 1. The x2800h does not have 7.2 pre-outs like the Marantz Cinema 60 which is why it does not have a trigger output. 2. The x8500ha has a total of 17 channels of outputs when including the subwoofer channels, with only 13 amplification channels. 3. That makes the x8500ha capable of 9.2.6. You had 9.2.2 on your graphic. 4. Also I believe the warranty is shorter than 3 years for the non X receivers.

My Denon X4500h has 4 Sharc processors and I love the sound.

I have 5 Denon avrs from budget to the 6700h dating back to 2009 all of which still work. I prefer the user interface to the Yamaha that I have and the Onkyo that I had. I also like the pricing comparatively speaking.

Thanks Jon .. awesome info as always!! thinking of going with AVR-A1H.. or AV10.. but waiting to hear about Dirac Live Bass implementation before i pull the trigger!!

For those Home Cinema who use a 3D projector, don't forget if you are still rocking 3D occasionally, then check pass through support on new amps

I’ve been without an av receiver for about a year. I was waiting for this round of new products Happy with the specs for the most part but not the price increases which are even more here in Canada But I will most likely purchase the 4800h as it best meets my needs and price. Excellent summary once again. Will you update the info on the DACs once you know the details? Thx again

Looking at exchanging my X6700H for the x3800H.

41% increase over the AVR-X8500H is grossly exaggerated and tend to be on the greedy side. Insane.

If your basic. You can get the Emotiva MC1 for $800 then add $700 A7(90wpc) for bedlayer & $560 A4 for heights. For $2100, you have a nice Dolby Atmos 7.2.4 set up. If only I wouldve known last yr what I know now

I'm not sure if I understood the Cedia Marantz seminar correctly, but I think they were saying that their new processor can let you do the recommended speaker layout for Atmos, DTS, and Auro 3D and the unit will switch automatically switch to the matching codec depending on the bitstream. Again, if I understood them correctly and that is the case, I wonder if the new Denon A1H will have the same feature.

Looking to make the jump from a Denon 2200 to either Denon 3800 or Marantz Cinema 50. Pricing is fairly close in Finland (at least the currently quoted pre-order prices), 1999e vs 1799e. I don't really need the Marantz-specific features for anything but gosh the Denon design is so tired at this point. Even the 3800 looks basically the same as my aging 2200 down to the exact same remote, so I might end up paying the extra couple hundred just to get a fresh look that was updated in this decade.

Still got my 3600h I paid $800 nee for working perfectly. Missing nothing.

Hey, thank your work. I has Denon 3800 ans Onkyo rz50. I finally ended Up chosing Onkyo. More impact, larger image. Infound Onkyo more cinema

The 4800h with a 5 year warranty, a toroidal transformer, and Marantz musicality at $2,500 would have been the ideal product. It's a no-brainer and it would fit into almost all cabinets. For all bells and whistles (improved electronics, copper chassis, better fascia although the old design in silver and gold are fine as long as they're offered in the US), they could stretch that to $2,800. That would be a killer product because it'd be hard to go Rotel for 2 channel (forget AVR) when you can bi-amp with the Denon and have room correction and bass management and you could get away without an external amp and have a world class system. Essentially a Denon version of the Marantz SR 8012 at $3,000 before the triple price hike to $4,000.

Hi.. When will the next update be released for the avr-x3800h device.. to support 360 reality audio??. Please respond to me 🙏🙏

Biggest upgrade for the s570bt is the hdmi 2.1 for gaming, very important.

I think the slide for the X3700H is wrong. My 3700 looks exactly like the 3800 in the slide. I think the round buttons on front are from the S series. Not a biggie.

Too bad they did nothing to improve HEOS. Still no lossless music streaming services support (i.e. idal/Deezer HIFI), music playback queue limited to 300 songs only, no Atmos or multichannel FLAC support either, no Roon certification (Roon tested = 48kHz airplay 2 quality). If you go with Denon/Marantz, better also get a decent music streamer such as the Bluesound Node...

Will there be a nice 1 thousand dolor receiver for 2023? Something to upgrade my receiver from 2016. doesn't have Earc. just 4k 60hz. no hdr, no 120 hz.

Hi, very good video. Taking price apart, which avr would choose cinema 40 or Denon 4800? Right now i have a Nad T758 v3i and Im thinking to upgrade Nad for Denon 4800 or Marantz cinema 40 to give the power enough to speakers. I have 7 Beringer 2031p (150w 4ohms), 4 dynavoice fx4 with pre-amp and a 15 inches Klipsch subwoofer. Here on my zone, i can get Marantz at the same price as Denon, thats why I am asking which to choose taking apart the price. Thanks in advance.

how about a comparison of their sound as at the end is what's important. I hear from different people that the marantz sound slightly better not sure if that justifies the higher price.

The x2800h isnt worth the +300bucks imo (much less connectivity options) Secured a x2700h knowing it will be a PITA to get soon

hi, which would you personally prefer of the two receivers? Denon 3800 or Pioneer 505? I will have a hegel h190 stereo amplifier on the fronts. I don't listen to music through the receiver. I have an xbox.

How does it play in stereo? 4800H

Here in Norway, the Denon S970H and the X2800H are about the same price, is there any reason to buy the S970H over the X2800H?

Hmmm ,wonder why they skip the composite

Hello, how much watts per chanell using Denon 3800H if i have external power amp for stereo speakers (preouts)? Same 74w or 105wx9:) Thank you

i heard that the chips and dac on the 4800h is worse then the older 3800h

Will it have the same sound carakter like the old AVC A1XVA, all new models are in sound flat... even the a110. so someone can tell me the sound of this version.

The Yen has depreciated 30% against the dollar this year, yet the price of the flagship receivers made in Shirakawa are so full of pork and fat that they’re basically Charshu bacon. I think they either play a generous discount game into these economics or they choose the dark side of greedy margins. The choice is as clear as the dashi of a settled miso soup. With generosity comes sales, and marketshare.

Question! I have a 4400h and was thinking of upgrading to the 6700h in order to get (1) pre amp mode, (2) Auro 3D with surround backs engaged, and (3) potential for more speakers. Now I'm seeing this 4800h, which I'm sure will do pre amp mode, will process more channels than the 4400h and will also include Dirac Live in March. So the last piece is Auro 3D: does anyone know if the 4800h will do Auro 3D with the surround backs engaged? That's the last box I'd have to tick... it's interesting Denon isn't making a 6800, no?

Hey Ripewave! Would you say that the Denon AVR-X3800H or the Marantz Cinema 60 is the better buy? (Marantz 60 1300$ vs Denon x3800h 1700$ Norway prices)

No 6800 this time around?

The remote for the x2800 is abysmal, lightweight like a toy and not backlit

Minor correction - Cinema 40 does not include 7.1 multi-channel in. In fact none of the Marantz's include 7.1 multi-channel in, not even the AV10 from what I can tell. Owning the Cinema 40 for 45 days, it's great gear. But I'm still mulling whether it's worth an extra $1K over the Denon AVR-X4800H, which is literally an identical unit with only a few exceptions: (1) remote control is sleeker and backlit on Marantz; (2) Marantz has IR "flasher" 3.5mm input which is great because I use an IR repeater, and can just connect a 3.5mm mono jack from the repeater to the back of the unit. This avoids the need to place one of those arcane stick-on IR flashers on the front panel; (3) Marantz headphone jack is directly accessible on front panel, whereas Denon hides theirs behind the front door. Then of course there are the cosmetic differences. If mine were out in the open, I'd probably pay the extra for the Marantz for the wife-pleasing factor. But mine is in a cabinet, so the ugly Denon wouldn't be a big deal. Tough call...

Bravo

M&D is taking the pi$$ with those prices higher up the models....you can get a lot better for cheaper. I knew they would do this, add all input 8K board a hike the prise...no thanks.

Nice done

Forgot to mention that all of this year's models I've been in amorrance have four independent subwoofer outputs on the back

I’m a fan of Marantz, I feel it’s the coolest sounding name of all the brands. It’s the brand I want to say when talking to people about my hobby and the things I’m excited about. But there’s really no value added here over the Denon. It makes the Marantz Brand look like a theft for suckers, which is then shameful for me to tell my friends. Part of what makes a brand powerful and desirable is that it’s the smart choice, the best overall value. I’m not feeling that at all. The 3800 feels kind of like that, but very little in this lineup is really exciting. It’s nice to see 7.4.8 and 9.4.6 The loss of multi channel input is a real drag. But the loss of the RCA video is just insane. There’s only two real input formats, RCA and HDMi. How could they walk away from even having a single yellow RCA video input? Component sure, but the yellow? And no HDMi on the front? Front inputs are so valuable, I would highly suggest a red white yellow RCA and HDMi input on the front for when you dust off the old home movies or just need to plug something in temporarily. And at least one RCA video input on the back for long term installation of retro game consoles. Really the front panel should have RCA, S video, component, HDMi, USB-A, USB-B and USB-C. And then yellow RCA video inputs on at least 3 rear inputs, but honestly all RCA red and white inputs should just have a yellow with them. Component and S video on the back are indeed obsolete, they should be relegated to the front for when old devices are plugged in once in a while. On a flagship model, there’s nothing wrong with a little ethernet router for other devices to use, or display port 2.0 as an input option. Of course an FM tuner, and a Phono input are essential. RCA video is the same. If you really want to trim down the budget option give it 3 hdmi inputs and nothing else. But everything in the midtier and up should have basic backwards compatibility. Also, I couldn’t help but notice the Marantz 8015, 7015 etc, were missing from the lineup. In my world, Dirac, Auro 3D, RCA video, and a larger screen on the faceplate are premium features. A tiny porthole with no front inputs just seems stupid. They’re asking for thousands of dollars on these and they can’t even let me play a Nintendo 64 on it? If someone brings something over I have to crawl back behind everything to plug it in? Those front inputs are really essential features. I wish there was more here that excites me, but it just looks like a bunch of boxes that are holding out on features so they can milk more money. Low end doesn’t have enough features to offer good value, high end is priced too high. Things like Dirac and Auro 3D should be standard across the whole lineup. The chip probably costs much less than $100 but the difference in the models is $1000+ no thanks guys. That Marantz remote is an improvement, but not a hundreds of dollars premium, hundreds of dollars can buy some pretty stellar universal remotes that would make that marantz remote look like a popsicle stick. Speaking of which, first party app control is worth mentioning, although probably hard to keep up with in the database as old versions get updated. Marantz and Denon should make that easy on you and keep a webpage of apps and version compatibility across models.

14:34 it's more like a $500 price increase considering that the 3700 launched at $1199.

Denon is ugly and over 20 years old, boring design!

Absurdly super fantastic comparison!!11oneoneone :) Must check if you got this for Yamaha also :)

I just received the X4800H and have a couple of issues with it. First, the subwoofer setup in Audyssey does not work. The on screen setup tells you to turn up the subwoofer to 75db but it stays at 30db on screen no matter how high the volume is in the subwoofer. Secondly. I get frequent audio drops that are only a split second while watching TV on the ARC. I will return it if Denon doesn’t have a fix. BTW, it is running the latest firmware.