This is an easy one. Vehicle was modified increasing it's weight. Braking surface wasn't increased. Compounded by poor maintence and a long steep grade. They burned their brakes up and had a runaway
@AmericanSicilian girl if the driver was not licenced he may not have understood how to handle this emergency situation. I know that shouldn't be the case but sadly, it could be.
@AmericanSicilian girl I know dear! Teaching my 12 year old grandson to drive this year. Not ALL parents teach their kids, some parents can't drive either. Very sad! Peace sister!
@AmericanSicilian girl exactly! You gotta watch out for the idiots out there. Driving is serious business & good as any driver might be, other drivers can kill you if you're not paying attention. I also taught my daughter ( his mom) how to drive & also how cars work. Everyone should know these things!
David Ellis yes many driving jobs I have worked for they don’t fix or replace dangerous cars and trucks a place like pop a lock is one major place I worked for in state island nyc that is dangerous to work for I have had accidents due to their cars
They were FAR from being "under the radar" as they'd failed numerous inspections year after year. It's the failure of the local/state government to not have shut them DOWN long ago from their repeated 80% FAILURE RATE, absolutely OUTRAGEOUS‼️
They weren't wearing seatbelts. They were traveling over 50 mph. The driver did not attempt to stop. They hit a parked car then trees. You really think you would be able to survive That?
I would think that so many bodies crammed together, that some bodies would "shield" the "blow" for others to survive? If it were a HS test question, I guess I would fail. lol
If the limo was going 60 mph and stopped immediately when it hit the ditch then the people in the car would experience a force similar to falling down a 14 story tall building. No one can survive that even if you land on top of someone.
Hi, I am curious. How did you get your analogy of "14 story building?" Is this based on math of crash stats? Thank you. I am curious as to what type of force they experienced. The limo maybe weighed 3-4 tons and the Highlander about 2 tons, plus the mound/ditch that did not give. thank you.
shawnee1895 I did a quick calculation in my head. As I pull out my calculator the numbers changed a little. It turned out 60 mph is the same as speed when you hit the ground after falling 120 feet (12 stories). The weight of the vehicle is not important here because it didn’t hit the passengers, it is the sudden stop of the vehicle that killed the passengers. investigators found that the driver didn’t hit the brakes so the car was probably going a little slower than 60 mph after hitting the parked car but not much. It would have been better if it hit the parked car head on because the highlander would yield unlike the ditch.
@Heidi Willard they must carry extra insurance but even with that, not enough money to compensate 20 victims & family. Owner had enough money to travel though, overseas flights are expensive
Yea but the police can't touch the owner until he is back in the country. Problem is, he will not come back TO be charged, because its the right thing to do. No one would do that. The gov't won't go and get him because technically he has committed a violent crime, or threatened national security, or stolen millions and fled. The U.S. is not going to discuss extradition with the country he is in, just to have a conversation with him. They only do that when they know fully well they are arresting the person.
We're in shock mode right now to be followed almost imperceptibly by amnesia mode. Hey everyone, remember the shootings in Vegas like a year ago? Same as it ever was.
Need to determine the exact causes of death for liability. Also need toxicology on driver & assessment of his physical ability to drive & react. Things like stroke, seizure, heart attack etc could have made him unable to react. All other death causes needed to improve safety. Just like plane crash, each victims cause of death is important
you would think if he was concious or not trying to do it on purpose that after he hit the 2 pedestrians that he would slam on the brakes, but there is no brakeage line on the road
Man, This could have been avoided! So terrible! I pray these families make it through this and Get some sort of justice /closure! I JUST DON'T GET THE CARELESSNESS!
How convenient that the owner of this company is out of the country.And this attorney who is representing the owner of this company,why would he even attempt to defend the indefensible?...Also,how could the company not know that an unlicensed and obviously unqualified driver be allowed to operate one of their vehicles? Shady ass bastards....
If you knew anything about limo licensing, you would know how stupid your comment is. I knew the driver, he was a truck driver for years, and had been driving with them for quite some time. Go to the DMV and tell them you want an 'E Class License, and watch what happens.... they take your money and thats it. There is no test. His license lapsed, that doesnt make him a shitty driver, just a little irreaponsible. But it is his fault for operating the thing if he felt it waas unsafe. When I worked for them I refused to drive a TownCar one day that had metal sticking out of the tires... no other driver even noticed it. People forget that cars are pieces of heavy machinery because any and every 2-eyed moron has one. If it were up to me, most people wouldnt have a license because they dont know how to properly maintain or operate their piece of heavy machinery. Some dumbass gave them a license then told them it was a priviledge Hahaha
Never mind getting the attorney to answer questions. The company owner should come back to USA and give his apologies in person. It shows how cowardly he is that he stays in Pakistan to let others deal with the problems.
Extreme forces when 60mph goes to zero so fast. Like a fall from 12 story building. Internal organs, including brain, can't handle that amount of force.
I'm sorry, I don't buy this laywer's BS. WHY would the state be looking for a scapegoat? For what exactly? Is it the state's fault the driver wasn't licensed to operate the limo? Was it the states fault the vehicle didn't pass inspection? Is it the state's fault the passengers sent out texts to friends/loved one's expressing concern over the safety of the limo?
Derrin Eckelmann Maybe... but ultimately the owner is to blame. The state can only do so much against a crooked business owner bent on operating his limo company when the state deemed his vehicles unsafe to be on the road.
What are the injuries that caused all the victims to die? And why don't they show better pictures of this limos damage? Other accidents where vehicles are all mangled we see close ups and different angles.
The animated recreation made it look harmless. I could have hood surfed that. At least do a recreation that is somewhat accurate or dont do one at all.
Such a horrible accident and so many young lives lost. I pray their families find peace. It quite ironic he is out the Country so will the family be able to sue because I doubt he is coming back to the U.S
Did anyone else catch that the woman texted her friend that "the motor is making everyone deaf"..... sounds to me like it had no muffler or exhaust system, that is usually what makes a vehicle really loud like that. I wonder if they were already all overcome by carbon monoxide before the accident. It just doesn't make sense that not one person survived. RIP and God bless all of those families and victims.
My prayers and thoughts go out to all the loved ones of the victims. People take this tragedy as a lesson learned and always listen to your sixth sense, when something doesn't seem right it probably isn't. Also do your homework when it comes to utilizing someone's business and services. Especially if it involves putting yours and your loved one's lives in there hands. There are ways and state departments that can give you a record and history of any licenced business. People like that limo owner are just about dollar signs and could careless about human life. God bless our United States of America!
It looks like most of the vehicle is intact. I'm thinking the passengers got thrown around inside, unfortunately killing them all. If all were wearing seatbelts, many I feel could have survived.
roachtoasties apparently they crash at 60mph and the impact would be like falling a 12 story building seatbelts could of helped but some would of died anyway cuz their bodies can’t take that force
Agree. At least seat belts could have helped some. Airplanes have crashed into mountains at huge speeds. Some survive, some don't. Seat belts improve your odds.
Two things causes this. 1. The Limo was not properly inspected. clearly they did not check the brake pad or rotors. the most vital part of car are its brakes!!! from personal experience trust me. 2. Also on top of a poor trained driver. Who probably was not used to driving a fully load limo with 18 passengers on. Did not know what kind of momentum the limo would have when brakeing. Results from a sharp turn the limo was going down hill and probably blew its brakes if not driver panicked since brakes where not working with the momentum it had and probably let go of the brake trying to stear the limo. Bam hit people and trees
Yes, the NTSB said there were no skid marks, which makes you think that the brakes went out. and during NTSB interview, one reporter said brakes could have been working, but were equipped for regular SUV , not a limo. Brakes maybe not upgraded when SUV converted to limo. If this was a converted one. So sad and tragic.
The wife said in another video that he drove a tractor trailer for 21 years without incident. He would have known something about stopping distance. Why there were no skid marks is my #1 suspect. He may have underestemated it since it feels like driving a car, causing them to fail or may have fallen asleep. The engine may have been so loud that sounds of impending brake failure or any other mechanical failure were drowned out. Plus, if my engine sounded like that and I had a group with me the music would have been turned up loud to compensate.
That lawyer should be proud enough to walk away from this money. Be a human and stop fighting for people that do not deserve it just cause they have money. The owner should be in fucking JAIL!
Yikes, I'm sorry this happened. Makes anybody of age remember what limits are dearest to be in celebration. The only reason these things still have climbing negative views is the cost and criminalizing transportation of all forms if necessary and found by fault. I am at a loss.😢
CARBON MONOXIDE everyone was passed out long before the stop sign. The accident with Tracy Morgan it rolled over so many times they looked like socks in a dryer .guess what 1 dead
Another report said the engine was literally in or behind the front seat. They couldn’t definitely say if it was behind the driver’s seat because the inside was such a mess. That vehicle had to be going faster than 60 mph when it hit that ditch. My husband is a tractor trailer driver and told me he knows that road well and tractor trailers are no longer allowed to use that road because of previous truck accidents.
I'm going out on a limb by saying I'm pretty sure we will never hear from the owner again..smh...This and the boat accident that killed a entire family are the saddest unnecessary accident I have ever heard..
Three semi's lost their brakes due to unanticipated speed and were unable to stop at the intersection and traveled into the grocery store parking area. They tried to make the road safer and banned semi's from that route. Some residents felt it became more dangerous after the changes.
@@RaoulThomas007 I agree, banning semis might help but if the road is dangerous then sooner or later someone will be hurt or die. I think putting all the blame on the limo and the company isn't fair.
@@greekgirl209 welcome to NY, this state is rediculous, looking for a scape goat and of course$$$. I see NY State troopers everyday on almost every U turn spot on the highway, yet 5 miles down the road we have Syracuse, tons of crime n they are looking to issue traffic tickets. NY is as useless as CA
Not only this, but I'm sure the Brakes were NOT upgraded after stretching the Limo. That Limo should have had UPGRADED Brakes, AND should have had new Brakes Yearly, ONLY allowing NEW Parts, not rebuilt. Shahed is a Scammer, doesn't give a rip, and should be in jail for Murder.
It would be abysmal if the company claims it's all on the driver...smh, they gave them the "green light"....I lost my cousin from a vehicular accident, the pain cannot be replaced by words😞🙏
MY AASSUMPTION.... NO SKID MARKS......brake failure! The driver was a 20 year retired truck driver..they say he wasn't licensed. One thing is NOT LICENSED....a total different is ...NOT HAVING PROPER ENDORSMENTS. NOW 22 violations in the last 24 months!!!! NTSB, DOT, and company owner need to be held accountable....
I get the distinct impression a driver/pilot error will be the copout, and it sounds to me like brake failure. The one thing the driver lacked was operating an extended vehicle, and since he drove them before he didn't lack experience. The company was not proactive in repairs and servicing but reactive to failure, an often occurrence with this type of shabby back-street operation. did anyone investigate the company before hiring the car?
The company gave their condolences REALLY?? I hope the owner goes to jail this time for his crimes he knew that limo shouldn’t have moved from their business, since it failed inspection. But that grimy ass greedy owner didn’t care and wanted that money. Jail time is too good for him. Once a criminal always a criminal now put his ass in jail where it belongs. Just think if the FBI didn’t use him as an informant, then he would’ve been in jail and all 20 of these people would be alive now let everyone think about that one.
If the engine was loud that means there was a exhaust leak most likely they passed from carbon monoxide poisoning there was a issue with factory vehicles having this issue
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! WISH ONE OF THE PASSENGERS HAD SAID SOMETHING TO THE DRIVER ABOUT THE LOUD NOISE. IF SPEEDING, THAT SURELY DID NOT HELP WITH FAULTY MOTOR AND WHATEVER ELSE IS FOUND. CONDOLENCES TO FAMILY.
Also, this is a very small community and since the cops did already pull him over just a few days ago, KNOWING he didn't have the license to drive it....YET you KNOW these cops had passed this LARGE LIMO driving on these small country roads.....GET REAL!!!
This is very tragic and upsetting. I found out right before a wedding and it really floored me. Then I started seeing posts from friends who knew people in the crash. Made it that much more real. I felt compelled to do a video about thoughts and prayers and how can can do more than that when we feel compelled to...and also how thoughts and prayers are enough. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ve-ULSaB7QA.html
I said from the start it may be found during autopsy and investigation that carbon monoxide overcame the occupants as well as the driver. The poor maintenance and loud sound may have been a muffler leak. Totally preventable.
What happened was! He was driving to fast, and didn’t know that that road turned into a parking area. When he realized it wasn’t a road, it was tooo late!
Send seal team 6 to go get him. All parties need to be arrested. When a car fails inspection it should be taken into custody at the expense of the owner until it can be fixed. If they refuse to fix the car with in 60 days the car becomes property of the state and should be destroyed. We need smarter people in government.
Carporn22 while sending a tier 1 SOF unit to another country for this IS extreme... if you run a business that transports people, it's YOUR responsibility to maintain that vehicle period. Don't make an excuse for criminal negligence. I hope you take car of your car. I really hope your attitude doesn't get you or anyone killed.
I don’t understand why get in a limo or any car or truck that is soo loud it makes you deaf! You know something is wrong with it if it’s making that much noise I would have asked for another just for safety reasons
All these details but SPEED is likely what killed all these people, licences or failed inspection or not, they were going too fast....speed, speed, speed.
Yes, I agree. I believe driving and being in vehicles is definitely one of the dangerous things we encounter on a daily basis. It's just really INSANE to me that people are allowed to do 50, 60, 70 or even 80 miles per hour on highways. People even speed on regular streets and roads and that's what causes these sadly horrific, fatal crashes,..speed. The speed of a crash definitely determines the level of damage to not only the vehicle, but of course the passengers. This has got to stop! God bless their souls and the families they left behind 😢🌷
I offer deepest sympathy for the family / friends -of the 20 people who sadly lost their lives . Many , many people will forever be impacted by this senseless tragedy .. children lost their parents , parents lost children . And the entire nation has been saddened. Let’s offer our condolences and take this time to pray for everyone . Yes .. we know it was a devastating crash -😔but , lets just offer our condolences to the families , friends and community . God bless them during this time of sorrow.. the whole nation is saddened by this senseless tragedy -god bless everyone , and take care of your selves , and each other , be kind to one another .
Excerpt from SUN Newspaper: Driver Scott Lisinicchia was one of two drivers employed by Prestige Limousines. The 48-year-old was busted twice on drugs charges during the past eight years, the New York Post reported. In 2013, he was charged with with criminal possession of a controlled substance, unlawful possession of marijuana and an equipment violation when he was stopped while driving. Previously he was charged with unlawful possession of marijuana in Saratoga Springs in 2010.
I guess you don't understand right...you dum fuck... didn't you hear what they say here...he was not even here when this accident happen...and he did not fled..I feel sorry for your dumb ass..
How low this defense lawyer will go to "try" and defend the limo owner's a$$!!! How many times did he say "well George"? I know that kind of lingo and it's a kiss-ass way of "trying" to sound like a well- respected type lawyer. Waaayy ahead of ya pal!!!🤬🤬😠😠😠
There are so many illegally operating businesses and our government is not checking up on them properly or following up to mske sure they comply with the laws on the books. There are shady businesses everywhere . You report them and the city does nothing...the states do nothing until something bad happens. So tired of the lack of ethics in business that is just getting worse. ...everyone skirting in order to make a buck. Greedy Bastard with no regards
