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New FN Reflex: A Micro 9mm Pistol That is Full of Surprises First Shots 

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The new for 2023 FN Reflex is the newest micro subcompact pistol on the block. With similar size to the Sig P365, how do the features compare? Mrs. Outlaw also tries it, and gives her initial impressions.
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Комментарии : 832   
@DeanCalaway
@DeanCalaway Год назад
The more offers, the better, I love when companies have to compete with each other for our money.
@brandonm.4187
@brandonm.4187 Год назад
Wish the government had to do that too
@Irfan87
@Irfan87 Год назад
Exactly. Ive never understood being too loyal to one brand. We the customer should want companies to compete as much as possible. So we get a better product and a better deal.
@BenfromFlux
@BenfromFlux Год назад
And that is free market capitalism. Competition drives innovation and improvement.
@TRIIGGAVELLI
@TRIIGGAVELLI Год назад
You don't have enough 9mm purse guns already?
@crappy60
@crappy60 Год назад
The beauty of capitalism
@MichaelRiddel-v1b
@MichaelRiddel-v1b Месяц назад
Hickok45 has no problems shooting this gun in his review. I have one for about 3 months and shoots very accurate.
@entropicdoom8018
@entropicdoom8018 Год назад
I appreciate your honest reviews. Many guntubers out there give glowing reviews to everything they get in there hands.
@mikethekidd_
@mikethekidd_ Год назад
@AverageGIJoeOutdoors to be fair, the mag issue is an easy fix and isnt the guns fault
@Asidebar
@Asidebar Год назад
@AverageGIJoeOutdoors The mags are falling apart due to the user incorrectly installing the plus 3 extensions.
@Pokebattleleague
@Pokebattleleague Год назад
Very true but dudes wrong about the echelon sometimes companies do have bangers
@Osprey1994
@Osprey1994 Год назад
​@AverageGIJoeOutdoorsOk...not sure how you can eatch HO explain why that's a potential problem, and then act like it's a terrible issue. The HS Produkt Echelon is a functionally great gun, but they need to redesign a piece of plastic that covers the bottom of the magazine (something that some people will replace anyway). It's not a knock against the gun in the slightest. I'm saying this as someone who does not like Springfield, actively recommends people avoid them.
@Osprey1994
@Osprey1994 Год назад
​@mikethekidd_ Yeah, not sure how he failed to listen to what HO was saying about the mag baseplates. You either make them easy to remove or you make them a pain in the dick go remove. Hopefully they find a better baseplate design.
@chesterjohnson8290
@chesterjohnson8290 Год назад
Looking forward to the 1000 round review. Side by side with the Shield, P365, Hellcat & Canik would be welcome!
@jaybowen2235
@jaybowen2235 Год назад
and IWI Masada slim
@DevDog67
@DevDog67 Год назад
If you're referring to a size comparison - type "handgun hero" into your search engine.
@tranquilmind8487
@tranquilmind8487 Год назад
@@jaybowen2235 masada slim doesnt have picatinny
@jaybowen2235
@jaybowen2235 Год назад
and CZ CZ P01 or P07
@stevenhaynes795
@stevenhaynes795 11 месяцев назад
​@jaybowen2235 maybe the cz p10s . But the p01 and p07 are not micro compact
@bobbarker5884
@bobbarker5884 Год назад
Chris please check through the box thoroughly for a little baggie with 4 screws. Look under the plastic tray where the gun lock is. Also check the manual for which screws to use with your optic
@brokespoke4789
@brokespoke4789 Год назад
Bought one of the non optic versions for my wife a couple weeks ago. We both really like it. Put 200 rds thru it between us. No failures and it was accurate at the distance of 15 yards we were shooting at. It shot point of aim for both of us.
@Illness.og.
@Illness.og. Год назад
Would you say it’s more snappy then a S&W m&p shield?
@brokespoke4789
@brokespoke4789 Год назад
IMO about the same@@Illness.og.
@norbertotirado819
@norbertotirado819 Год назад
Which Batch do you have? Mines is "9 thousands" and have that bad accuracy. I have the MRD Version
@brokespoke4789
@brokespoke4789 Год назад
ours is in the upper 9k range. Non optic cut. @@norbertotirado819
@captainamer71
@captainamer71 Год назад
@@Illness.og.nope
@mdjbm
@mdjbm Год назад
I’ve been shooting my reflex for 2 months now… sights are perfect.. nice bullseye groups… really enjoying shooting and carrying…
@notatroll5993
@notatroll5993 Месяц назад
I just bought one. It’s already one of my favorites. I have a hellcat too and it’s not as snappy. The recoil is surprisingly smooth
@bryanleblanc3048
@bryanleblanc3048 Год назад
I’ve had this firearm about 6 weeks now, put about 350 rods through it and also allowed the employees at the local gun store to try it out, everyone liked it, because we know it’s a CCW, and it’s great for that, conceals well, carries comfortably, and less snappy than Hellcat or P365; it’s also very easy to take down and field strip. If I wanted to shoot 50 yards with 4” groups, this ain’t the pistol in buying, but if I want to pull and put rounds into an attacker 10 yards away in a quick fashion, this or a Shield Plus is 100% what I want. I’ve never had an issue with accuracy when I was honest with its designed intentions.
@johnherrera4806
@johnherrera4806 11 месяцев назад
Well said …
@malcolmplatt3768
@malcolmplatt3768 10 месяцев назад
That is a great way to frame that narrative, "honest with its designed intentions". The only intent I have with using this weapon is to do exactly what you said, draw quickly and shoot accurately and rapidly at a 10 (3-15 too) yard target. 🍻
@davidhurley5032
@davidhurley5032 3 месяца назад
Seems like the sight may be off from the factory. I may be missing something though.
@joematiacio3449
@joematiacio3449 Год назад
My reflex was shooting left and low also. Not quite as low. PSA - a MGW Glock sight pusher with the 43/43x adapter works on the FN Reflex.
@Kawasakibiker2021
@Kawasakibiker2021 Год назад
I swear all of them are off the same out the box. Everyone’s first shot videos have the gun shooting low left. And mines did the same.
@cjdebono8811
@cjdebono8811 Год назад
I got my hellcat out the box without adjusting anything and was on target. You need to return this gun
@117TheWolf
@117TheWolf Год назад
@@cjdebono8811That’s funny, because my sister’s Hellcat needed about the same POA as Outlaw’s Reflex. Maybe having one anecdotal account of a pistol doesn’t mean jack ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@stainedskin123456789
@stainedskin123456789 Год назад
I'll be looking forward to the inevitable follow-up review. Seems like this gun has potential, just needs a bit of polishing. I agree, though; it should be polished from the factory.
@InitialFailure
@InitialFailure 2 месяца назад
This video should have been named "operator error; what happens when you don't read the manual."
@criticalmemetheory5404
@criticalmemetheory5404 Год назад
How in the world did this particular firearm pass its factory accuracy test? I was pretty stoked about this one, but not so much anymore. Thanks for the unbiased review.
@HWG-wm8ld
@HWG-wm8ld Год назад
They don’t test for accuracy.
@adub1300
@adub1300 Год назад
You’re assuming FN performs that test. A quick look at any 509 or reflex video will prove that they do not.
@Dustycheerio47
@Dustycheerio47 Год назад
My buddy’s 509 tac had a squib load in the first day of shooting it
@pewpewTN
@pewpewTN Год назад
​@@Dustycheerio47That was nothing to do with the gun.
@timothypadilla4192
@timothypadilla4192 Год назад
I'd say watch Hickock45 shoot the Reflex. Maybe it's the shooter?
@MJA5
@MJA5 Год назад
I have a 509 mid, FN pistols are nice quality and in my hand nicer than many competitors. They are solid.
@AllAboutSurvival
@AllAboutSurvival Год назад
Thanks for sharing your first shots and impressions - definitely piqued my interest in this new addition! Keep up the great work, looking forward to more reviews like this.
@IHADANERROR
@IHADANERROR Год назад
The FN Reflex should come with two sets of screws - 2 pan head and 2 flat head. This is on page 40 of the owner's manual. It is set up only for optics that take the Shield RMSc footprint: Holosun 407/507k, Romeo Zero, Swampfox Sentinel, etc. There are no plates because you are supposed to mount it directly to the slide.
@captainamer71
@captainamer71 Год назад
Mine did
@SparTan-nr6lj
@SparTan-nr6lj 11 месяцев назад
I got a Holosun optic on it and got a holster and spare mag carrier for it from Muddy River, no disappointment. I sight the optics at 15 yds and it was driving nails at 15, 10 and 7 have not try 25 yet. Put about 200 rds thru it, no malfunction.
@rudydedogg6505
@rudydedogg6505 Год назад
Chris, I have an update for you regarding the sights on the Reflex. I just got off the phone with FN Customer Service and was told that there was an error in the manual regarding proper positioning of the front sight. The manual illustrates the top of the front sight centered on the target just like usual. The Rep said that this was in error, that the dot in the front sight should be placed over the center of the target in what he termed a "Combat Hold" and that corrections were being made to the manual. He advised not to file the front sight as the tritium insert was close to the top of the sight and its purchase may be jeopardized. I hope to try this sight alignment out soon and I'll give you feedback on what I get. If you have time to try it with your Reflex, I'd like to hear what you experience.
@johnelder7449
@johnelder7449 Год назад
I love your videos; they live up to your name. When something goes wrong, both you and us(the viewers)no that the problem is not you. It's always the gun and your sense of humor is the best. Laughed my ass off on this one. Thanks for a most enjoyable video and I sincerely mean that
@Justin_M
@Justin_M Год назад
@HonestOutlaw....... 💥💥💥There should be a clear small ziplock bag with 4 screws and a tool..... Mine was under the plastic Trey..... Hope this helps..... My eps carry went on with no problem... No plate needed....💥💥💥 The accuracy problem is crazy.... Mine was dead nuts accurate at 25 yards...
@colosim5507
@colosim5507 Год назад
Guy at the range let me shoot one of these today. Ergonomics we’re great, not snappy at all, and the trigger felt nice. The reset was rough though. Wouldn’t replace my shield plus PC or MC9 (w/ post-release recoil spring and fixed extractor spring)
@charlieboi6370
@charlieboi6370 Год назад
Mc9 is a definite sleeper
@Osprey1994
@Osprey1994 Год назад
​@@charlieboi6370It's not...what are you talking about? The MC9 had issues that got swept under the rug, but once it's fixed it's exactly what people expected. A small Canik that has a trigger like a PPQ/PDP.
@brandonUwanawich954
@brandonUwanawich954 Год назад
@@charlieboi6370I sold my MC9 owning it for a week worst gun I ever bought and I feel stupid that I thought I was replacing my Elite Sc with it gun couldn’t go 1 mag without a malfunction
@colosim5507
@colosim5507 Год назад
@@brandonUwanawich954 had similar problems at first. After breaking it in, I was still having about a 2% RTB issue. After Century sent a free lighter recoil spring and lighter/shorter extraction kit springs, it runs like a dream
@charlieboi6370
@charlieboi6370 Год назад
@@brandonUwanawich954 sorry to hear that. Most ppl who own that I've talked to like it a lot.
@kevinlee6205
@kevinlee6205 Год назад
Just got this gun and shot it yesterday. 100 percent agree the reset is definitely long coming from shooting the 365xl I thought it was just me
@midwestg4105
@midwestg4105 Год назад
I too like your honest reviews and was ready to add this pistol to my collection but will not. I will keep my Sig P365 as my primary carry gun with my S&W Shield in .45 as my alternate carry gun. Thx again.
@jamesmichalski3610
@jamesmichalski3610 9 месяцев назад
Best reviews. Hands down. Saved alot of money and time watching your reviews. Thanks.
@dustinrigsby234
@dustinrigsby234 4 месяца назад
Know this sounds crazy but change out the pinky extension on the 11round mag put the flat base plate on it and it’s a nail driver mine was 3inchs low 2-4inchs left flat base plate and it’s dead on my hold of aim tuck pinky under the firearm PLEASE TRUST AND TRY THIS IS CRAZY PUT WORKS LIKE A DREAM
@MaxUmi
@MaxUmi Год назад
Please do a full review! I keep going back and forth whether to pick this one up... Reliability is king for me. Obviously having the sights on and aligned is highly important too 😅
@NobodyAwsum
@NobodyAwsum Год назад
This thing seems to ring steel every single time you pull the trigger, but with this kinda accuracy I'd rather just go buy a cr920, SIG or 43x cuz atleast they're gonna shoot straight out of the factory every time.
@brandonUwanawich954
@brandonUwanawich954 Год назад
@@NobodyAwsumshield plus or Hellcat over the 43x all day
@Rpalacios29623
@Rpalacios29623 Год назад
If you want an alternative I recommend you checking out the IWI Masada slim. Honest outlaw does a good review of it and it’s about $150 cheaper and sights are dead nuts on. I was hitting in the 9,8, and 7 ring on a B27 target from 70 yards. Absolutely zero misses
@HWG-wm8ld
@HWG-wm8ld Год назад
A hellcat may fall into the same size category but not the quality of Glock. It’s a budget gun made with lower grade materials.
@chivalryremains9426
@chivalryremains9426 Год назад
@@HWG-wm8ld Then why does it cost more than a Glock?
@peteschiavoni
@peteschiavoni 2 месяца назад
Love my Reflex. Had failure to feed issues when new but FN fixed it right up quickly. It shoots a little low left also but not bad. Nothing like yours. Thanks for the review
@chrissalazar4143
@chrissalazar4143 Год назад
Yeah, it was just plain bad that "The World's Most Battle-Proven Firearms" came with a crooked rear sight. Overall though, I think on the later review you're gonna enjoy the heck out of it with the dot. Much more precise aiming. The EPS carry will direct mount to the slide without a mount, it shares the same 4/507k footprint if that may help any. Tactical Development's pro ledge with a Tlr7-sub Glock is already made for the FN Reflex too. Good review, even with the bad. Cheers.
@thesodomeister2938
@thesodomeister2938 Год назад
I work at a gun shop. We had a customer bring one in for Cerakote that he bought less than 24 hours ago from us. It had started rusting after only one day of carry.
@ggmanatee
@ggmanatee 6 месяцев назад
Have carried mine for a 6 months in all types of weather with no corrosion. I'd question what that guy was doing, maybe really salty sweat.
@rsl82568
@rsl82568 Год назад
S&W Shield Plus Still Best in Class. Looks like Apex needs to make a Trigger Kit for the FN Reflex. Just like they did for the M&P S&W Shield replacing that Henge Trigger.
@colosim5507
@colosim5507 Год назад
Took HO’s opinion on the shield plus and bought a performance center. Definitely my go-to EDC
@ironmikehallowween
@ironmikehallowween Год назад
It’s hard to beat a Shield really, especially for the money.
@colosim5507
@colosim5507 Год назад
@@ironmikehallowween had a $600 hellcat that was garbage in comparison and my wife has a sig p365 x comp that cost $900. The shield plus beats both of them and I paid $500 for the PC version. Used to have a standard that was also better. Hell even my Canik MC9 was more expensive and the only upsides it has is an extra couple rounds, a light rail, an optics cut and a cleaner trigger. Not as dependable as the shield plus though
@cavalieroutdoors6036
@cavalieroutdoors6036 Год назад
​@colosim5507 yeah, I'm not caring for the Hellcat either. I rented one at the range and thought I would like it well enough, so I bought a Pro. Trigger slap, heavy trigger pull, just as snappy as it's 3 inch counterpart, and for some reason my accuracy is just trash with the gun. There are things I could do to fix it, I did polish parts and get rid of most of the trigger slap. But do I want to spend another $500 on the gun to make it almost as good as my CZ P01 that cost the same and required *nothing* to shoot well? Nah...
@colosim5507
@colosim5507 Год назад
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 for all the innovation, it’s the second snappiest handgun I’ve ever fired (LCP being first). It’s difficult to be accurate with the snappiness, stiff trigger, and quick acquisition sights. The pro did get the grip right. The Echelon grip is almost identical and was the main selling point for me to get one to run IDPA
@clintwestwood1895
@clintwestwood1895 Год назад
Great honesty as always Honest Outlaw!
@murphtahoe1
@murphtahoe1 Год назад
I would love to see a follow up after you have completed the changes to the sights and have a 500-1000 rounds through the pistol.
@chargerman440
@chargerman440 Год назад
Friend of mine had the same low and left problem with his new Hellcat, and I had the same problem with a Mossberg MC2C. This is why it’s always important to test the accuracy of your guns before your life depends on it
@stufoo
@stufoo Год назад
sounds like you and your friend should have tested your trigger fingers at the range...
@N8R_Quizzie
@N8R_Quizzie Год назад
​@@stufoohaha took the words outta my mouth. I wonder if he has a gun that doesn't have that problem....
@CoasterCoat
@CoasterCoat Год назад
​@stufoo how accurate are factory sights though? Does every company test their sights and make sure theyre aligned before sale?
@bearkawiboy6246
@bearkawiboy6246 11 месяцев назад
Just picked one up and the example I purchased has a phenomenal trigger, with the pull weight being good and the rest being short! It’s better than my 365 and only comparable to the Hellcat I have.
@tylerloshaw6855
@tylerloshaw6855 6 месяцев назад
I just grabbed one today and threw it in layaway. I agree the trigger is great on the example I tried, though the reset was longer than I would like. I also worked at the store I found the gun and had a customer come in once before complaining about the accuracy of a 509 he owned and the gripe was similar to the review low shooting, I would say it has to account for the FN having combat hold and not center hold.
@casualconcealedcarry
@casualconcealedcarry Год назад
Holding out for the MRD version but they are hard to find. Love FN, so this could be a contender to replace my 365
@mikemcmanus116
@mikemcmanus116 Год назад
Good review. Honestly after watching videos on whatever the "newest & best" flavor of the month, I remain satisfied with my Glock 19, 26, and 43. They work well without a lot of hassle. Reliable and no drama.
@juanhuttoe4517
@juanhuttoe4517 Год назад
Yeah I have a 365xl that is great. It's been 100% from day 1. I'm still thinking about a glock 19/26 combo though. I mean the 26 while a little chunky Is a do all edc then I'd throw the 19 on the nightstand. Glock mags are everywhere so I would never have a problem putting hands on them.
@MrRolloBaggins
@MrRolloBaggins Год назад
Love my 26. I've had it for years. Time to get the slide milled tho.
@Osprey1994
@Osprey1994 Год назад
​@@juanhuttoe4517Go 45 over the 19. Even with a Mechanix L glove size, my support hand pinky hangs off the bottom of the 19.5.
@HWG-wm8ld
@HWG-wm8ld Год назад
OP, the 19 has been on my side since 97’. I don’t get why people want or need something newer just to have the new thing. Waiting on a custom holster and buying magazines, sights, spare parts…etc. for these guns doesn’t make sense to me
@ColonelCarnage
@ColonelCarnage Год назад
I just switched from the 19 to the 48 for carry. Noticeably more comfortable.
@bw1819
@bw1819 Год назад
Got this in my hands yesterday at a local range. Didn’t care for the feel in hand or the trigger. Employees also didn’t care for the gun.
@kmarlatt1
@kmarlatt1 Год назад
I held one at a gun show last weekend. The 15 rd mag has sharp corners on it. I had high hopes for it with the internal hammer, but couldn’t get past the uncomfortable grip.
@TrentFalkenrath
@TrentFalkenrath Год назад
One thing I'd like to add. Just because Chris doesn't like accuracy doesn't mean you would too. I was testing a bunch of carry guns including a p365 and Hellcat. If just went from what the internet told me, I would've just bought the p365, but when I shot it, she shot like dogshit. Now, before ya say it's a skill issue, I put down a group the size of a sticky note using the Hellcat. Same target, same distance, same day even. Just goes to show how personal a decision it is to choose a handgun.
@brittainwoolley6848
@brittainwoolley6848 4 месяца назад
Coming back to this video 7 months later after first getting the springfield hellcat, and eventually getting the canik mete SF (subcompact). What I learned from those two guns: the hellcat size is great for me, but the trigger pull is so heavy that it really does reduce my accuracy. The canik mete SF trigger is phenomenal, but so lightweight that I grew concerned about it as a carry gun. I think this FN may bridge the gap with a longer trigger pull but a lighter pull than the hellcat.
@LimeTimeHD
@LimeTimeHD Год назад
I wonder if they did the internal hammer design just to have a feature that sets themselves apart from the competition. If they were to come out with a striker fired variant with shorter trigger pull/reset it would be a much more enticing imo.
@MultiPurposeReviewer
@MultiPurposeReviewer Год назад
I would be mildly tempted. I'm generally a big fan of FN's pistols, and I imagine I would like this. At the same time, I already carry one of their full size pistols, and I also have a P365 for when I need something smaller, so I don't really need a micro 9 from FN just for the sake of having another FN pistol. I would absolutely be down to try it out if my range picks one up for rental. On an unrelated note, I love Mrs. Outlaw's nails in this video. I'm not usually a fan of lime green anything, but that Skittle green looks really nice.
@BugsyNY
@BugsyNY Год назад
Always enjoy your absolute honesty 👋
@ronwooley7375
@ronwooley7375 6 месяцев назад
I just picked up a Reflex. Hits 5" low and 3" left out of the box. Ordered and installed a Holoson EPS Carry, but have yet to zero the red dot. I think the included plate and screws are for the RMR footprint. No plate required to mount the EPS Carry. Re-use the screws that came in the cover plate. I have experienced several 'failure to feed' issues. I've only put 200 rounds through it so far and 8 or 9 failures to return to battery. I've got a long weekend coming up and I'll put another 2-3 hundred rounds through it. I really want to like this pistol and am disappointed that a firearm from a reputable manufacturer like would arrive with these issues. Perhaps I need to give up on the internal hammer and great trigger (and I do like the trigger) and go back to my first choice of the Sig P365.
@bobgelb7722
@bobgelb7722 11 месяцев назад
When the add a manual safety. . I will consider, heard it may be coming at the shot show..but who knows for sure
@MoneyShot_CM
@MoneyShot_CM Год назад
The triggers on these things must be wildly inconsistent, i picked up two of them and the triggers were nothing like you showed and talked about, no sponge, they were crisp, but had a long reset. Too long. Glad I saw this review, never know which one you will get
@haywoodyoudome
@haywoodyoudome Год назад
Had a similar thing with the P365. Everyone goes on about the awesome trigger but the ones I looked at had garbage triggers.
@JustinRepo29
@JustinRepo29 Год назад
Fyi... the screws on the cover plate on the slide work perfectly with the Holosun 407k pattern. Gun is awesome with perfect reliability through 500 rounds.
@inthepalemoonlyte9159
@inthepalemoonlyte9159 Год назад
Haha I asked in the last episode about the Reflex, and now it's here. Awesome.
@malcolmplatt3768
@malcolmplatt3768 10 месяцев назад
FN recommends Holosun K series or a Shield. None of the screws included with either of them fit so I ended up using the screws that held the optics plate in place if memory serves. I didn't like the 407K because it obscures the rear sight due to it's height from the floor plate so I bought a Shield too. It has a lower profile from the floor plate so I like it much better. I never shot it with just the iron sights so I wasn't too concerned about them, after watching this I miked the front sights and they were indeed off center just a bit so I punch adjusted them. The rear sights were aligned fine. I'm going to the range today to put another 200-300 rounds through it BECAUSE out of the box, after installing the Shield and after cleaning it and re-lubing it I experienced failures to feed on multiple occasions through about 50 rounds. FN CS (who I can't say enough good things about) told me the gun has a break-in period. OK, even though I own multiple FN's in various configs and have never had to break one in to get it to properly feed, I shot 300 rounds of the recommended 124 grain bullets through it the next day and the FTF's did reduce dramatically although not completely. To be fair some of those were reloads that I load myself that work fine in every other 9mm I own. I like the fact that it's a hammer gun, I LOVE the feel of it, ergonomically it's one of the best feeling pistols I have simply because it's slim and light. As I've gotten older I've found it harder to carry a 4 inch barrel pistol so I really like the way the Reflex feels while carrying it AIWB. It's almost unnoticeable. I love it's accuracy, especially at 3 -10 yards, that you can hit a target at 75 yards is impressive as hell. I can barely see a target at 25 yards but I done got the oldness. Sorry for the long winded narrative. Love your videos, I'm a big fan. Thanks for putting them up.
@msab930
@msab930 Год назад
Love your analysis and honesty! Great show. I own a FN503 which I bought after shooting Glocks and Sig P365. I love my 503 for it’s small footprint and conceal-ability however the 503 only holds 6 standard and 8 with extended mag. But you are correct both have long trigger pulls. The new version has a higher capacity mag which is nice as well as a rail for accessories and red dot which the 503 doesn’t have. Grips are similar. Looks like it could be a nice option.
@roobscoob47
@roobscoob47 Год назад
Thanks, Chris and Mrs. Outlaw~
@rudydedogg6505
@rudydedogg6505 Год назад
Chris, I bought a Reflex about a month ago, took it to the range and put 100 rounds through it and it grouped low and slightly left. I put up a new target at 21 feet and really concentrated. My five-shot group was 3 1/2" low and 3/4" left. I took a picture of the target, gave the group distance from center and stated that Federal HST 124 grain had been used. I returned the pistol to FN the next day requesting a shorter front sight and windage adjustment. To their credit, FN returned the pistol in just four days. However, they made zero changes to my pistol but included a range target with five shots grouped tightly around the center using the same 124 grain ammo and fired from the same distance. There was a brief comment written on the target stating, "POA, POI". After seeing you and your wife getting pretty much the same results, I will get back in touch with them. FN apparently wants me to adapt to their set up whereas I want the sights configured to the way that I shoot. Considering that many firearms of all types come with adjustable sights, I don't think I am being unreasonable and other than the sights, I like the gun. I also have an FN FNS-40C that I bought a few years ago and it was what influenced me to buy the Reflex. SMH, FN.
@BagsEsquire
@BagsEsquire 8 месяцев назад
Any new updates by chance? Interested to hear if you went back to FN again.
@eindride1268
@eindride1268 4 месяца назад
For anyone interested, i own one and did have the same issue, but if you dont mind shelling out for a red dot, it turns into a pretty great and surprisingly accurate micro 9
@mdbryan9525
@mdbryan9525 3 месяца назад
Just bought one and have the same grouping problem. However, I found a video that addressed shooting low and left. The instructor had you take a regular grip on target then stick your pinky, ring finger and middle finger towards the target and then firing. My results were that I no longer shot low left but was just an inch left and level with the bullseye at 7 yards.
@10_mmcaseless_
@10_mmcaseless_ Год назад
Yay honest outlaw video
@willkiker6892
@willkiker6892 9 месяцев назад
Full review with an optic please! Would love to get your final thoughts soon because I got an itch that needs to be scratched! 😂 Love your content. Thank you!
@johnkrstyen7351
@johnkrstyen7351 Год назад
Same problem with my Shield plus optic ready. Have a regular Shield Plus with three white dots sight and enjoyed it so decided to get one to put a red dot on. I shoot dead on at 10 yards with the 3 dot sights then took the optic ready and shoot off to the left side 4-5 inches. Not a problem after putting a dot on but if the dot ever goes down and I need to use irons in a self defense going to be shooting left.
@gew1898
@gew1898 Год назад
I haven’t been interested in any FN product since they discontinued the Hi-Power. That’s a premium price for a plastic pistol. Thanks for the excellent review.
@zee-fr5kw
@zee-fr5kw Год назад
They brought it back
@gew1898
@gew1898 Год назад
@@zee-fr5kw I’ve seen that but it’s gotten mixed reviews. I’m waiting for a friend to buy one so I can try before I buy. I have several antique FNs and I love them.
@bosschefrob
@bosschefrob Год назад
I have a 503 and it shoot really nice (besides a round falling out when you chamber and reload the round). I wonder if they were trying to make a budget friendly version with this gun.
@D-Mag
@D-Mag Год назад
Had to send mine back with failure to feed problems even after 700 rounds. Plus it shot low and left. Haven’t received it back yet.
@ericreedy9474
@ericreedy9474 Год назад
Think I'll be doing the same. FTF issues and low/left as well. Frustrating! Going to adjust the rear sight and run a few more rounds before contacting FN. Haven't experienced this with CZ, Walther or S&W handguns.
@davidatticus5179
@davidatticus5179 Год назад
Great review. A Canik/FN comparison would help a lot of us decide. Look forward to that. Thanks!
@rudydedogg6505
@rudydedogg6505 Год назад
Chris, I made it out to the range this morning and came up with a sighting method that works for me. Per the FN Customer Support Rep, I placed the red dot on the front sight over the center of the target but instead aligning the two white dots on the rear sight with the red dot, I centered the red dot along the top edge of the rear sight so that the upper half of the red dot was over the top of the rear sight and the lower half was below the top of the rear sight. Goofy, I know, but it put the rounds right where I wanted them in elevation. To correct for the rounds hitting to the left of target center, I modified my grip on the gun. As you know, there isn't a lot of real estate on the handle so getting my left/support hand where I normally have it wasn't working. What I did instead was apply a bit of pressure to the right up by the trigger guard in addition to and instead of simply pulling straight back. It helped a lot BUT, I do not believe that a pistol that exists solely as a personal defense weapon should expect to be held and sighted any differently from the way I've been shooting for the past few decades. IF I have to use this it will be because of a mortal concern and I may very well need to get rounds off fast and accurately relying on practiced muscle memory. I saw a third RU-vid review of the Reflex yesterday and the shooter was experiencing the exact same round placement issues you, me and two other reviewers experienced. In my never-to-be-humble opinion, FN needs to address this by, at least, offering to adjust the sights to the owner's specifications. I'm sorry to say that I should have purchased the model with the optics cut but who would have thought that such large errors with a target only 21 feet away would prove to be such an issue?
@bjdog42
@bjdog42 Год назад
My Hellcat sights were low too but at least centered. The tritium stayed in but the luminous ring around it came out during a class so I fixed the problem with an XS Big Dot set that were on for elevation. I rarely leave home without it now.
@gregdownend3604
@gregdownend3604 11 месяцев назад
After watching more reviews recently, the low left thing is way too common on this new gun, all by experienced shooters. Someone stated FN claims it’s made for combat grip which maybe explains the low but not the left. I really want to like this gun, but want to understand what the issue is before I buy
@wardduncan-oit8365
@wardduncan-oit8365 8 месяцев назад
I had to push the rear sight over just a smidge and I was way more center than left. I haven't been able to bring myself the file down the front sight yet. But that would be next. I have read from others that replaceing the sights with the Trijicon Sig P365 DI #8 sights will fix this issue. But why should I have to?
@Donald-ky2fg
@Donald-ky2fg Месяц назад
I have the reflex and this has precisely been my experience with it.
@brian.louis107
@brian.louis107 Месяц назад
It would be nice to see FN do to this pistol what Sig did to their P365; namely, offer more versions like the XL, Macro and esp. the Fuse.
@ReubenOaks84
@ReubenOaks84 Год назад
Until this review of the FN reflex, most youtubers seemed to give glowing reviews of the trigger and pistol in general.
@adrianlouviere7650
@adrianlouviere7650 Год назад
Thanks but Shield Plus is a better out-the-box investment IMO.
@PatriotTown
@PatriotTown 11 месяцев назад
Most honest reviewer I've heard yet. Already bought this one so now I know what I need to do when it comes in. Thanks
@johnherrera4806
@johnherrera4806 11 месяцев назад
You may not have to do a thing to it .
@tomemery3916
@tomemery3916 3 месяца назад
I like your honesty! Could you give a demonstration on how to tap the sights & sand them? If not, what type of tool did you tap with? Have you found a holster for it since this video came out & if so, what brand?👍👊
@jamesd1106
@jamesd1106 Год назад
So.. S&W Shield Plus it is! Thanks for the data 👍
@Cholc9
@Cholc9 Год назад
Im glad this review came out. I'm wanting a good edc, and the Shield Plus seems to be the way to go.
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 Год назад
I have the Plus and it's awesome. I loved the OG Shield too. Try the Plus first if you can. See if it's a good fit for you. I have large hands and have no problems with recoil or manipulation of the controls. 3" groups out it at 10 yards for my average ability
@josiaheck4865
@josiaheck4865 Год назад
I just posted my experience with the Shield+ in these comments. It's my current (and first) edc and I like it a lot, but I recommend you give my comment a read as it's pretty relevant to what you said here.
@AlittleSmokey
@AlittleSmokey 6 месяцев назад
Very interested in a full review and comparison! Thank you for all your efforts and expertise!
@raM3.54
@raM3.54 Год назад
I was going to buy this but it was too similar to my sig macro so I decided agains it. I didn't know it was a internal hammer tho so im considering it even more.
@jesseboutdoors
@jesseboutdoors Год назад
That rear sight would of drove me nuts to do a whole video with it that far off.
@laserbrain7774
@laserbrain7774 10 месяцев назад
You are both getting so good at this.
@terrydaniels8460
@terrydaniels8460 6 месяцев назад
I wish they would have eventually offer a striker fired version
@krmtdfrg
@krmtdfrg 11 месяцев назад
Just picked up one of these with the optic option, its called FN Reflex MRD. Can't wait to get it to the range later this week.
@gadgetstalker2
@gadgetstalker2 Год назад
This reminds of me of the Jericho 2 review. Shots were off.
@Zombie_Doof
@Zombie_Doof Год назад
I've been saving up for this side arm but every HONEST review i see it's all shooting low left. how can FN release a gun like that?! I'm going to wait a bit and see if they work out the iron sight issues
@ikamfuey
@ikamfuey Год назад
So close to getting the reflex until this review. I’m now reconsidering other options. But that’s a good thing. We need honesty!
@covertguy1575
@covertguy1575 Год назад
I bought a couple of FNS40’s back in 2013 and after 6000 plus rounds they’re tack driver super accurate.. I have no desire to buy any other FN Pistols
@nealgold8442
@nealgold8442 Год назад
Like I said in your short video, I’m a die hard P365 fan. I carry appendix in a small leather holster. I was hoping for a great review, not a so so review, because I really wanted an excuse to buy one. My concern w/the FN was carrying appendix with a single action hammer fired gun w/o a safety. Seems you have that concern with the P365. That being said, I would love to see a comparison between the FN & the P365 and if possible address this issue with both guns. Your thoughts if the gun would be a candidate for a thumb safety. As always, great video and very informative.
@jackomalley3687
@jackomalley3687 8 месяцев назад
365 is not a single action
@bobyjones3905
@bobyjones3905 5 месяцев назад
I just got one actually it’s pretty accurate at 10 yards I can hit a 3 inch metal target pretty regularly
@whatsup24_7
@whatsup24_7 Год назад
IWI Masada Slim for the win 💯💯💯💯
@TexanApollyon
@TexanApollyon Год назад
Screws that came with my EPS carry worked perfectly for the Reflex
@stephenwise7412
@stephenwise7412 Год назад
Enjoy your channel and watch regularly. My optics ready reflex came with screws in the box for most common red dots.
@ichphan
@ichphan Год назад
Cannot wait for the review of the CZ Shadow 2 compact....
@spskkaf
@spskkaf 11 месяцев назад
I had no issues mounting the EPS Carry to the Reflex, using the flat topped screws that came in the FN box. No plate needed.
@jm5020
@jm5020 Год назад
Hi Chris, why don’t you make a video on how to aim and improve your skills when your hand gun metal sights precision sucks. That even with bad sight you can hit the target. Would appreciate sharing your skills.
@MattMaranto
@MattMaranto Год назад
FN reflex vs IWI Masada Slim please
@edwardbohlman3209
@edwardbohlman3209 Год назад
I was thinking about picking up one of these, so thanks for the initial review. I'm reluctant to pick up another micro-9 that isn't as good as my Mossberg MC2sc (which you never tested). But speaking of FDE pistols, are you ever going to do a final review of the Area Delta?
@leiac3163
@leiac3163 7 месяцев назад
I love when she goes "BEEEP!!!" Never change, Mrs. Honest Outlaw.
@ErnieSwartzs
@ErnieSwartzs 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for your testing the new firearm
@thanossstewart3800
@thanossstewart3800 Год назад
Love and enjoy the Honest review's to you both yes let's see a further review on this little guy please
@teages078
@teages078 Год назад
I had this same exact issue with my late model p365. Ultimately why I sold it. I can deal with windage, however the elevation issue was a mystery. I still want to give this reflex an opportunity, hopefully you just got a Monday gun. Other channels seemed to have great luck with it.
@305Blackout
@305Blackout 11 месяцев назад
With some iron sight designs you need to put the front sight post on the point of impact like a red dot. Not right below of your intended target.
@HavocDH
@HavocDH 5 месяцев назад
I think with U shaped sights, you have to align the top of the U and the middle of front sight post Dot together. That’s when the hellcat Pro Manuel said.
@verblvik
@verblvik Год назад
I own this gun and I've owned a 365, this FN is miles better than the sig. It feels higher quality and it doesn't feel like the mag is going to shake loose like the sig. FN is late to the game but made the best micro 9 out there. The only other complaint I have is the name, its corny. Other than that I love this thing
@latigomorgan
@latigomorgan Год назад
I'd like to see a side by side comparison with the Keltec P11, which is also a hammer-fired compact. It also has a mile long trigger pull. I'm not too crazy about it, but my daughter loves it. Nice thing about the Keltec is you can use high cap S&W 5906 mags in it.
@MrHav1k
@MrHav1k Год назад
Imma keep asking for it until someone releases it.... a DA/SA micro 9 in roughly the P365XL form factor.... I'd buy the HELL out of that for an EDC once it's proven reliable.
@dochinson
@dochinson 4 месяца назад
Strange…a lot of others are putting holes directly center. What we have here is a little user error lol
@jcbdb1972
@jcbdb1972 Год назад
Please do a full review! Trust your opinion and would like to see before making a purchase.
@egocomplex
@egocomplex Год назад
I enjoy your vids, but had you put in 10 seconds of effort on Google or FN website, you would have seen you direct mount optics with RMSC footprint. Which gun is best is always subjective - having said that, I own FN Reflex, P365, X-Macro, and my first gun, a Kahr PM9. FN Reflex is by far my favorite and easiest to shoot and get on target. Trigger is great and slide is easy to manipulate. James Reeves at TFBTV didnt have the issues you seem to have with your gun, nor did I. To each his own. Thanks for the video.
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