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New Guard I Invented (The Vice) 

JonThomasBJJ
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This is a new guard position I have been developing over the last year, I call it The Vice. It is a position I stumbled across while trying an old school lasso inverted triangle attack, I stumbled across this control that locks your opponents hand under your leg allowing you to force a triangle/armbar and many other attacks ( Crab Ride, Berimbolo, Ankle Lock, Wrist Lock, Guard Passes, Crucifix, Omoplata) also it is very difficult to get out of. In addition it also is very hard to escape by falling back to your guard which gives the added benefit of making it off set the constant sweep battle that happens in competition. I have been testing it on many high level competitors coming through the gym the last year and it has been working great so far. I’m going to be getting back to competition soon and hope to get some great footage with me and my students in competition using it. I’m also excited to see the positions you all create since it’s a new position it will be fast evolving. Let me know if you have any questions or thoughts and please try to use it in class your self and post videos of it and tag @JonThomasBJJ #TheViceGuard #TheVice
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@bunnyazorth945
@bunnyazorth945 4 года назад
Thank you for sharing your precious knowledge with us. You are the best instructor in the world. Also, I think showing sparring footage is a nice touch and should be a must-have in the instructional business from now on.
@brazenmmabrazilianjiu-jits8488
@brazenmmabrazilianjiu-jits8488 3 года назад
I started trying this tonight on my white and blue belts....worked great! Love it! Thanks so much for sharing!
@shinken_1wei
@shinken_1wei 3 года назад
Legend !! thank you jon so much :DDD 01:15 lasso cross sleeve to cross double sleeve 01:33 The Vice guard entry 02:50 vice guard to grab back 03:48 step on ground and drive forward 04:05 op fall back, mount to triangle 05:20 to pass 05:53 review 06:45 cross guard to vice guard 07:09 cross double sleeve to triangle 07:48 cross sleeve + collar
@phredbookley183
@phredbookley183 4 года назад
Interlacing the sparring footage was spot on. Thank you!
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
Phred Bookley Thanks buddy I’m definitely going to be doing that more in the future!
@stevenmanning1035
@stevenmanning1035 4 года назад
I was just about to say that, I love the fact he has active rolling and nailing the technique while showing how it’s done, very few people do this
@matthewyarbrough1056
@matthewyarbrough1056 4 года назад
I watched this video 30 times. And now I’m reporting this as porn!! Need to keep this a secret!!
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
Truckee Tahoe Triathlon ahahahaha
@therhythmatic
@therhythmatic 4 года назад
Definitely porn! Was gonna send it to a few friends at my gym but I think I'll wait a few weeks. I'll try it out on them first!
@duanedaxalexander
@duanedaxalexander 4 года назад
This needs to be taken down immediate after I save it to my hard drive.
@BM-of6dg
@BM-of6dg 4 года назад
Truckee Tahoe Triathlon 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’ll do the same , that’s awesome man thanks for sharing! Can’t wait to use it in open mat tomorrow
@christophermoriarty7843
@christophermoriarty7843 4 года назад
Sick!!! I love how you allowed your open mind and creativity work to create this position.
@jebstewart7295
@jebstewart7295 4 года назад
Love the theory behind this! Cant wait to test it out - thanks for sharing!
@PIA1441
@PIA1441 4 года назад
Oh my god. Last one was my "worst casé scenario" while watching everything! Excited to try!
@GrantCareerCoaching
@GrantCareerCoaching 4 года назад
The fact that you actually are sharing this and potentially alerting your opponents to it beforehand all for our benefit really really says a lot about you, man. Thank you.
@dereksmithabroad
@dereksmithabroad 4 года назад
This is great! I'm going to start playing around with this! Thanks, JT!
@charles.in.charge
@charles.in.charge 4 года назад
Sweet new tech! Thanks for sharing Jon
@jbauutii
@jbauutii 4 года назад
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, u are a genius !!! Love your videos since long time ago!!
@mizujunior2519
@mizujunior2519 4 года назад
Bro this guard looks kick ass, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us, for sure I will train this one! Osss
@eternalelitist1936
@eternalelitist1936 4 года назад
Love it! Thanks for sharing!
@brazenmmabrazilianjiu-jits8488
@brazenmmabrazilianjiu-jits8488 3 года назад
This is fantastic! Thanks for sharing!
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 3 года назад
No problem hope you have fun with the position.
@jiujitsustudent604
@jiujitsustudent604 3 года назад
Your teaching style/ability is masterful.
@appi3
@appi3 4 года назад
Looks so effective! Definitely going to explore this as well
@lillan5581
@lillan5581 4 года назад
Looks awesome! Can't wait to try this out, thank you for sharing :)
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
lillan Thanks excited to hear how things go for you guys I’ll put another video out soon too on defending the far Underhook which will be first defense people start trying
@rustyboyd5
@rustyboyd5 4 года назад
Man, since I’ve been following you. I have learned so many valuable techniques and ideas. Fortunately, I’ve been able to implement these Into my bjj game right away. Many of these techniques and various self defense moves have literally changed my entire bjj game! BgDefinitley for the Better!!!!)
@joy-jitsu
@joy-jitsu 4 года назад
Great variation! Thank you 🙏
@JosipKricka
@JosipKricka 4 года назад
in before "i'm short guy with stompy legs. how can I make it work..."
@therhythmatic
@therhythmatic 4 года назад
I tried this in class and got heel hooked. My opponent fell back before I could bump him forward just like you mentioned. Seems effective so I’m going to keep trying it.
@DaveLowenstein
@DaveLowenstein 2 года назад
Tried this out in positional sparring with a couple friends yesterday....pretty useful! Today I'm going to try it on people who aren't expecting it :)
@thingamarob
@thingamarob 4 года назад
I don't think I've ever been this excited to try out a technique. I see this becoming immediately applicable to my game. Brilliant!
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
thingamarob hey buddy happy to hear it!! It works great first problems you might have is someone trying to Underhook far leg but it’s very counterable I’ll try to make a video on that soon as well.
@thingamarob
@thingamarob 4 года назад
@@JonThomasBJJ Yes, please do. I struggle with people controlling the non-DLR leg in general, so that would be great.
@brianr2941
@brianr2941 4 года назад
I'm going to try this for sure!
@tomjones2056
@tomjones2056 4 года назад
Similar to worm guard. Nice tip on how to avoid ashi garami after getting the sweep
@raulrios9509
@raulrios9509 4 года назад
Awesome man! So cool!!!
@peterllacuna1627
@peterllacuna1627 4 года назад
Omg❤️ This is a Perfect entry into the Tarikoplata.
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
Peter Llacuna man it combines so good with the tarikoplata
@SoulJiuJitsu
@SoulJiuJitsu 4 года назад
Love it! Well done.
@SoulJiuJitsu
@SoulJiuJitsu 4 года назад
Watching it again, do you think one could shoulder roll out of it?
@jaredoverholtzer2577
@jaredoverholtzer2577 4 года назад
I tried this and it worked right off first try. There really is something here for sure! I was interested since I love lasso guard. I just have to work my entry a bit on it, but once you're there its about unstoppable!
@ps3ud0nym
@ps3ud0nym 4 года назад
Awesome, will try this for sure
@viktorjacobs
@viktorjacobs 4 года назад
DEF trying this one out the next chance I get. Looks awesome!
@mrelbhu4397
@mrelbhu4397 4 года назад
Nice! This will probably suit my game!
@ceylonmeetsmusic
@ceylonmeetsmusic 4 года назад
Looks pretty good! I like to go that triangle from lasso as well. So I'll definitely try this!
@cedobn5198
@cedobn5198 4 года назад
Wow .. I can pay for this !!! I am really impatient to see other content :) Keep it up and thanks for sharing !!! oss
@Ty-Dy
@Ty-Dy 4 года назад
Oooh, I like the triangle setup so much on this so much. Sneaky guard like this are so fun when you pull them off just right. Definitely going to practice this one and see what I can do with it.
@petrusrocha1110
@petrusrocha1110 4 года назад
pretty amazing content, sir!!! I am surely giving it a try!!
@GoldenRyu
@GoldenRyu 4 года назад
Awesome stuff! Will definitely share this video with my teammates! Oss
@PlugThePull
@PlugThePull 4 года назад
So sweet. I've been experiencing a lot with cross guard lately so I think I will try this one too!
@NMIBUBBLE
@NMIBUBBLE 4 года назад
Freaking Awesome man Nice!
@danielobsa3327
@danielobsa3327 4 года назад
Nice, i will try tomorow! Thx Man! Regards from Brazil!
@Slashoom
@Slashoom 4 года назад
so dope. gonna play with this
@BaranNCTMB
@BaranNCTMB 4 года назад
just worked it tonight of de la Riva, got the sweep to back control. excellent.
@mixxeerr
@mixxeerr 4 года назад
This is really really interesting. Thanks for this. Definitely another attack to try from the lasso/spider game
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
mixxeerr Such a great combo you mix in with a lasso spider and de la riva game
@trixualz219
@trixualz219 4 года назад
this looks so good im definitely gonna try, also make more videos on it! especially if they will be long and detailed
@andrewcarson5567
@andrewcarson5567 4 года назад
This is why my guard passing sux!! Too many AWSM guards to learn and play with!! 😂thx for sharing
@anonoumos
@anonoumos 4 года назад
great guard, love the name too!
@JSMinstantcoaching
@JSMinstantcoaching 4 года назад
Yes sir, let's explore this novelty, looks pretty awesome!!! Let's vice in nice :-)
@siyuanzuo3750
@siyuanzuo3750 4 года назад
Awesome stuff!
@AVTBJJ
@AVTBJJ 4 года назад
This is so fire!!!
@zzanguu
@zzanguu 4 года назад
Damn, for a second I thought you leaked the dangerous part of the upside down spider kill technique that was missing on the lapel encyclopedia! :D Anyway... really cool, will try on next open mat!
@brendansullivan7278
@brendansullivan7278 4 года назад
My instructor has been teaching me this guard for years.
@MoreSwoleTheyKnow
@MoreSwoleTheyKnow 4 года назад
If that were the case how come your instructor and his students haven't used it in competition? There would be footage right 🤔
@cyph91
@cyph91 4 года назад
@@MoreSwoleTheyKnow This is honestly basically the same thing and if you ever played around with De la Riva you would have hit this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_0gNeXv-MNM.html
@bryancopeland272
@bryancopeland272 4 года назад
thom s that isn’t at all the same thing. Look at jons grips.
@cyph91
@cyph91 4 года назад
@@bryancopeland272 Haha. Okay brother.
@brendansullivan7278
@brendansullivan7278 4 года назад
MoreSwole ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eEpsVgqLd6c.html Emojis notwithstanding, this is the most recent video he has created on the guard.
@Emanuel_carey
@Emanuel_carey 3 года назад
I’ve been playing with this, and tonight I hit modified scissor sweep, from kicking them in the armpit- then into a triangle from there.
@squeezo4360
@squeezo4360 4 года назад
excellente partenaire pour présenter le vice
@BrienCalloway
@BrienCalloway 4 года назад
Nice, I'll give it a try tonight
@gamoraxandar6674
@gamoraxandar6674 4 года назад
:) you guys doing good work ...thumbs up
@demianthebackpackmaia435
@demianthebackpackmaia435 4 года назад
Awesome!!! It would be so cool if you made narrated sparring videos. I think this is the first time I've seen rolling footage with you. Badass
@spencersmith312
@spencersmith312 4 года назад
Wow. That’s pretty smart. My challenge will be getting the leg over while standing after I get the arm.
@oliviercardoenbjj
@oliviercardoenbjj 4 года назад
I'm giving this a try today.
@rafavresto7047
@rafavresto7047 4 года назад
Testing it tomorrow 👍🏼
@Sheeeeepies1
@Sheeeeepies1 4 года назад
nice, gona have to give it a try
@zakshah3480
@zakshah3480 4 года назад
Yo, please release more roll footage, this was amazing
@jmeru7673
@jmeru7673 4 года назад
Love it
@Lopata991
@Lopata991 4 года назад
Hey Jon i really like your videos and i think you are a great teacher. I watched almost all your videos, but i couldn't find a mount escape. I would really appreciate if you would do one. Keep the good work :)
@bryancopeland272
@bryancopeland272 4 года назад
Very cool
@rolfigomez3039
@rolfigomez3039 4 года назад
Very Efficient 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🔥🔥
@wyattswildadventures8183
@wyattswildadventures8183 10 месяцев назад
I like the last dudes name audible exasperation. Lol
@jimjam762
@jimjam762 Год назад
Eight years in and it never ends 😂. Infinite guards ftw
@artemthetrain14
@artemthetrain14 3 года назад
Jon: "I'm getting back out in March" Covid: 😈
@spencebjj
@spencebjj 4 года назад
Ruthless!
@ericjones1876
@ericjones1876 4 года назад
I’ve been playing with this and I’ve been taking the “reverse lassoed” foot under the leg for a sweep where I come up into mounted triangle. If they base out to stop the sweep I triangle from there, they base out and roll under I end up in another mounted triangle. I like to hide the foot to stop them controlling that leg and undoing my lasso to the pass.
@decline1822
@decline1822 4 года назад
Sweet guard. Will definitely try it out. Very similar to Keenans turbo guard but looks easier to set up
@DefinitelyDean
@DefinitelyDean 4 года назад
Massive 👌🤓
@USArmyRangers75th
@USArmyRangers75th 4 года назад
I learned this from my instructor over a year ago. He has been teaching it for years.
@haakonkk
@haakonkk 4 года назад
Very interesting
@fbj9296
@fbj9296 4 года назад
thats very good
@ericjones1876
@ericjones1876 4 года назад
I've been playing with this. this cross grip hidden under your leg is very hard to break. I was catching a lot of mounts after sweeping to the left side when they can not post. This is a cool position.
@victorgenovesi9079
@victorgenovesi9079 4 года назад
Macarrão this is AWESOME!!!
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
Victor Genovesi Hey Victor!!! Miss you buddy how have you been! Happy you like the position it’s really fun to work with I have a lot more series off of it as well. How’s training and everything would be fun to have you up to Gothenburg for a visit.
@davidlongoria7557
@davidlongoria7557 4 года назад
Cool
@kennykimbjj
@kennykimbjj 4 года назад
I DIG!
@PauloRipp
@PauloRipp 4 года назад
Please make a tutorial on your guard. Tonight I will try to use what I understand in your video ... OSSSS.
@maxdieckmann2143
@maxdieckmann2143 4 года назад
Hey Jon! Really, really great stuff! I tried it out in training today and it worked really good considering it's the first time I ever did it. So there a few questions I have: 1. This has been asked many times and you already said you are going to make a video, but the main thing that happened was people underhooking the vice leg and going for a double under. So what do? 2. Another thing was that I managed to weave the leg over the arm, but they caught it on the way to the body and shoved it down between their knees, trapping it. So kind of like the beginning of a pressure pass from their point of view. Any tips to avoid this or something I can productively do from there? 3. Entries - please give me more! Specifically, it seemed to me that I needed to create a situation where I had the cross grip and they had no grips in order to weave the leg without giving a free pass. Even them having a sleeve on my other arm seemed to give me some trouble - what do you think is the minimum requirement in order to start entering (weaving the leg) without giving up position? Thank you very much, I'm excited to keep working on this!
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
Max Dieckmann hey buddy great questions is gonna do a video soon on dealing with the Underhook as well as more involved details on the set up. The underhook is definitely a solvable problem and the issue of the leg getting trapped is also pretty easy to prevent
@maxdieckmann2143
@maxdieckmann2143 4 года назад
@@JonThomasBJJ Awesome, looking forward to it!
@wisekoff7940
@wisekoff7940 4 года назад
Endless options for your entry when you dominate either side like that
@gml142
@gml142 4 года назад
Thank you for sharing, very interesting guard position that I plan to experiment with myself. One question about it: How would you react if the person in the guard places both arms inside (to shut down the triangle)?
@fatgirlboy9341
@fatgirlboy9341 4 года назад
maybe this is just what i been looking for to prevent big guys smashing my guard
@theticoboy
@theticoboy 4 года назад
The Vice Guard looks legit! If only you could use these powers for good! #BjjGenius
@jorginhonelson2402
@jorginhonelson2402 3 года назад
I think you can fit the baratoplata in that position. Especially when he defends with the underhook
@billyt322
@billyt322 4 года назад
I like this concept, but what do you do about someone sitting for a straight ankle lock? Good stuff👍
@misterpoopoo
@misterpoopoo 4 года назад
The best part about this is you didn't just show it's use on lower belts but actually added clips against other black belts. Respect. Will try.
@jayjaybee5394
@jayjaybee5394 4 года назад
Hey Jon, thanks for sharing this new guard. I have tried it several times and I manage to get into the position but as I try to kick for the hand post, my opponent manages to resist and leg drag me to the other side. Just being aware that didn't help much and I keep embarrassing myself. Can you show how to avoid this?
@carloseduardo-6912
@carloseduardo-6912 4 года назад
👏👏👏
@MrAaronChatfield
@MrAaronChatfield 3 года назад
Keenan had sometching similar to this on Keenan on line awhile ago. He takes a collar grip, under the armpit, rather than over. He had a different name for it.... which I can’t remember 😩😩😩
@simonlund2491
@simonlund2491 4 года назад
Please do this at the Dynamix camp in Stenungsund, BJJ Sweden needs to know!
@JonThomasBJJ
@JonThomasBJJ 4 года назад
Haha ok I promise I will show it there!
@pedromoreno5539
@pedromoreno5539 4 года назад
thanks for improve guard set up, you improve jiujitsu
@The_YouTube_Critic
@The_YouTube_Critic 4 года назад
Could you not underhook the leg with your free arm, and go into a stack pass? Edit: I saw you mentioned addressing this in another video. Looking forward to watching!
@stantoncochran536
@stantoncochran536 4 года назад
😍😍😍
@evgeniysenko
@evgeniysenko 3 года назад
очень круто!
@hecorser1302
@hecorser1302 4 года назад
Hey! Thanks for the good content! I have been trying this for a couple of days and have the Problem that the Opponent usually is Controlling the right leg with his left Hand from the de la riva... I also tried just kicking my right leg under their right arm and right after coming back over the arm, but as soon as I let my right leg under they arm I am basically losing the hability to Control the distance and skilled opponents smash or pass me right away. I believe that this is legit! Just wanted to know if you found this Problems too. I see in your Sparring entries your opponents are not Controlling your leg and are quite pasive about you circleing under their arm to get in the Position.
@MrBleepBleepBloop
@MrBleepBleepBloop 4 года назад
oss
@justinl7385
@justinl7385 4 года назад
He was controlling the distance with a de la riva or ankle grip and also using the deep de la riva to offset his opponents balance before he threw the leg over, if your opponent was standing and you didnt have a lower body control, i agree it would probably be harder, but with a kneeling opponent that is afraid of the DLR it seems like it sets up the position
@conjj17
@conjj17 4 года назад
Hey man, if you don't mind me asking. Why did you get shoulder surgery? I have problems with my shoulders as well, have probably dislocated my left shoulder about 8 times. It always pops out, usually during scrambles. Only way to fix it is surgery. I don't want to be off the mats though for that long. Usually when I do dislocate it, it is better within a couple weeks. Scar tissue around the socket just seems to heal faster now since I have dislocated it so much. Have been lifting recently to try and strengthen the muscles around it, it has seemed to help a bit. If you did get surgery for dislocating it, you think it is worth it? How long were you off the mats for? Thanks in advance brother, oss!
@pedroluizsouzapinto1980
@pedroluizsouzapinto1980 2 года назад
Aqui no Brasil a gente vai chamar essa guarda de "Vasco"
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