Had this show on vhs in the early 80s. People have no idea what it was like listening to bands like JD/NO back in the 80s. Music was so inaccessible because good music went underground in the 80s in the US. We'd drive to downtown Houston and see layers of mysterious bootleg NO/JD, there werent online catalogs or even anyone to ask what the records were exactly. It lent a deep layer of obscurity and discovery to it, where an underground album from 5 years ago might as well have been a rock record from 50 years ago. Anyone you could find who listened to them was instantly your friend, like a secret handshake. I miss being at the vanguard of something so exciting and exclusive, most people never experience this in anything. Adult life is kind of boring in some ways lol.
True that. I listened to college radio stations in San Antonio & Austin in the late 80s & 90s. I miss hearing incredible tunes and waiting for a station break to see if I could find out the name of the song or the artist. I spent much of my youthful money on records, tapes and CDs at places like Hogwild Records, Apple Records, Sundance Records & Alien Records. I moved my entire catalog with me to Wisconsin and then Seattle. Most of it was left behind in Seattle when I moved overseas to New Zealand. I miss those days.
And you were vested in the albums/bands you listened to. Something kids today won't understand. Music is free now they don't have to spend anything on it
Count me in, try Tucson which was like 1/16th of what Houston's size back then. I'd ask and they'd be like "WTF are you asking about?". I think I finally got Movement when "Substance was released"
And no frickin iphones...wow...we never had any culture before iphone...So sad for new concerts...this was history and it goes back to the people who were there...No AI here...
Geezus.. 1981.. I can't even imagine what it was like hearing this.. Did anyone sound like this back then? Almost 40 years on and it still feels edgy, raw... Just fkin awesome..
@@ZumaDogg I’ve heard it said that, despite all the name checks NO get these days, there is still no one who sounds quite like them. And I have to agree. I can think of several songs that sound like Joy Division but NO achieved a unique sound that no one has quite replicated.
When I was studying in Leuven (Belgium) in the mid 90s I ordered this VHS in a now disappeared indie record store (Pumpkin Records). Cost me an arm and a leg, and I had to watch it on my parent's VHS player when they were out. . This was pre-internet for the masses, and definitely pre mp3. How times have changed :-)
amazing. Like watching the band transform from JD to NO right in front of you. So clear they're still searching for their new identity but they've clearly broken away from the JD mold.
This was just 1 year after Curtis' suicide, and the vocals are raw but the sound top notch. I was able to see no live at San Diego state outside and they sounded awesome. I was surprised because synth bands in those days didn't sound very good live. New order and Metallica best sounding live bands not even close.
between 30-35 years ago was the ultimate age of new wave/post punk/ alternative music, thanks to New Order, The Cure, Depeche Mode and the Pet Shop Boys, inter alia (latin meaning) among others (bands that is; siuch as Echo & the Bunnymen; Cocteau Twins,... what other era of music could compare since thre 1960's?
This is so good. So ahead of the time. It just worked. Hooky's bass is mesmerizing as always. Barney is wasted. Stephen looks zoned out. You can tell the band is still searching for its identity after Ian's death. The music was so harrowing, yet danceable. You just want to move a body part to this music. That was Joy Division, then New Order. Just amazing music. This is so raw. They played so much. They did it their way. Playing songs live before as they developed them. Then releasing them as singles along the way. Then playing them in different ways live. Never the same gig. Hooky says in the early days, they could just make music all the time. Even after Ian died. They always could make great music. They would come up with whole songs during rehearsal sessions. Just by bringing together what each one had been thinking about and working on. And this is what they would come up with. Music like this. Stephen made a lot of this music. On the sequencers. He's such an amazing drummer and producer. He's where it's at. And the reason Bernard worked as singer is because he never played when Ian sang. He played when the vocals weren't there. Hooky always played when Ian sang. So that remained the same as did Barney's guitar playing. That's how New Order worked. But that's also why they were so different from Joy Division. But still the same at the core.
I've always thought Temptation was the song where they cast off the mantel of Joy Division and became something else. Before this, they were searching for something new and mourning the loss of Ian. After this, they went on to write some classic bittersweet pop songs and eventually became one of the biggest bands of the 80's. Back when they played this in NYC, Barney would sometimes try lyrics out for new songs off the top of his head. Think the immediacy of playing songs live in front of an audience would force him to sing stuff that he wouldn't when he was doing it consciously. Remember him talking about it in an interview back then. [I've been a massive fan since 1980 when I was only 10 years old, because I have a family connection to employees of the band.]
We saw a New Order gig in the UK in 1984, an amazing night. They finished with Temptation, the crowd of 2,000 went wild. Ahead of everyone else, they created brilliant New Wave tracks, that were also great to dance to..
I went to a bar and was only 15. So I got to see many of the Band's and got many of the Tapes that are now CD'S. I have been very lucky to have my life and would not change it for anything. All the Autographs the awesome times I had the people I got to hang out with. Loved it. 🥰🤘
I consume every version of this song that I can get my hands on, and never get tired of it except for covers of course, covers suck. I first heard this song when I was 15, on substance 87, and it perfectly defines my mental state.
@@cadeeshak I have nearly the same feeling about this song. Second favorite song by New Order (True Faith is first). Top ten song overall. I can listen for hours on end.
Hey Holy League when we first posted this video we hooked the old video recorder to a PC and then touched it up the best we could but since posting it there are some videos on RU-vid showing the full show from the original video tape. Try searching for it, if not on RU-vid, try Google or another search engine but its out there somewhere then you can enjoy the full show.
Holy League just for you heres a link to the full show ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Em5Uggf2Cmo.html and hey thanks to you and everybody who's commented on this epic video!
THE GREATEST NEW WAVE DANCE SONG EVER! I DARE YOU TO DANCE TO THE ORIGINAL 1982 VERSION ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND NOT END UP DRIPPING SWEAT BY THE END! I'M SO GLAD THEY CHANGED THE LYRICS FOR THE SEMINAL 1982 VERSION
Really glad things like this were documented and recorded, I think even though there's not a lot of late 70's Joy Division footage floating around, we're fortunate to have a vast amount of concert videos of New Order from the early and mid 80's, which makes me happy :)
Stephen Morris (the drummer...and more) writes about this performance in Volume II of his biography 'Fast Forward, Well worth a read, along with Peter Hook' 'Unknown Pleasures: Inside Joy Division' and 'Substance: Inside New Order'.
For decades I thought this song was telling me I'd be alright. And then my now-ex "left" me (he of the blue/grey/green eyes, who I loved and still do love so damned much), and I'm finally needing to accept the song as an awesome thing in and of itself even as accepting it was not a mile marker for me and my own life, a portent or sign.....but just an inspired and awesome song despite the fact it had (apparently temporary) special meaning to me. What an awesome song......I hit the ground, i did.....but I bounced back! Though I admit it still hurts that my then-all now-ex has inevitably said uncountable times (to her, not me) "oh I've never met anyone quite like you before"....... Good for her.....but I was so....unspeakably happy when I thought those words from his mouth meant me.......
Apparently this was from the Taras Shevchenko video (FACT 77) people are saying on here, which i did own, so I have seen it before if that's right, just didn't recognise it.
Thanks for sharing. They have done something to the sound on this my VHS copy never sounded this good. The video was my 'main' present one christmas. Not complaining mind, definitive version for me.
1st time I heard this song it because my favourite song of all time, the energy I felt as I danced to it in 1982 took me away from reality for a few minutes.
i've always thought the studio versions don't capture it adequately. this 'tavas shevchenko' live video version is my favourite by miles. it's a yearning song and the "i've never met anyone quite like you before - it's the last time/it's the first time" in this is still a gut punch after all these years.
Oh my god, just to relive some of the music of my youth, such great times. The Clash at SUNY Binghamton, Oingo Boingo opening for The B52’s, and the Go Go’s and the Flock of Seagulls.
I remember hearing this version for the first time many years ago. "Temptation" had already been my favorite New Order song ever (as I remains today) and was pleasantly surprised that the music was nearly same; just the lyrics had to be tweaked; which they were several months later.
Here's what I think the lyrics are People hate people like you People hate people like you People hate people like you Up, down, turn around Hit the floor, hurt the ground Tonight we're gonna be alright Tonight we're gonna get uptight Up, down, turn around Hit the floor, hurt the ground Tonight we're gonna... People hate people like you People hurt people like me Bolts from above hurt the people down below Bolts from above hurt the people down below Bolts from above hurt the people down below Bolts from above... Three ways, four ways, anyway you hit the floor Three ways, four ways, hit the door Three ways, four ways, anyway you hit the floor It's the last time, it's the last time Oh, it's the last time Oh, it's the last time Oh, it's the last time Oh, it's the last time Oh, up, down, turn around Hit the floor, hurt the ground Oh, up, down, turn around Hit the floor, hurt the ground Oh, up, down, turn around Hit the floor, hurt the ground Tonight's gonna be alright And I've never met anyone quite like you before No, I've never met anyone quite like you before No, I've never met anyone quite like you before No, I've never met anyone quite like you before It's the first time Oh, it's the first time Oh, it's the first time Oh, it's the first time Oh, it's the first time Oh, it's the first time Oh, it's the first time And it's going away It's going away around the bend
They played in Toronto, this past summer... What can I say but " BRILLIANT "... our children bought us tickets... love it.. xo I do have live video if anyone is interested.
It's not really New Order without Hooky though. If you can, see his band Peter Hook and the Light, they tour regularly playing J.D and N.O songs and his great passion for live performance still comes through.
My favorite song…period. While the Substance version is my preferred version, the different direction the guitar solo takes at 5:15 really works for me. Really drives home the melancholy feel of the whole song through some utterly gorgeous lyrical guitar work. Wish they would work this bit back into one of the live tours.
Oh, the good old days of NO's humble beginnings well before egos got in the way splitting them up -- Hooky versus the other three (or The Other Two and Bernie). What a shame.
Very enjoyable find, seems that the lyrics weren't fully formed or fleshed out, but the groove/ instrumental in tact. Love the gurgling synths, probably my favorite New Order song... Temptation
Yes, Temptation. I am no longer Reluctant, hesitant or vacillating. THE RELUCTANT VAMPIRE TEMPTATION He's coming with his hoards and I SEE HIM NOW. SOON, THROUGH MY PERFECT WINDOW, SO SHALL YOU...
