Why It's Impossible To Start Playing World of Warcraft 

I got my wife playing wow but if not for me mentoring her and leading the way and answering her questions she’d never have caught on. It’s just too much. It really is.

I think an important factor for new players is the attitude of ppl who have played the game for 5-10 years towards players who make mistakes in a +10 key after having played for 5 months. Their first thought isn't to try and help or ask what happened, it's to leave or flame. I got my friend into the game and I see them dealing with it, every few weeks they get encouraged to quit the game. And these are the people who are gonna be confused when the game dies.

I think alot of the game dying is because there is no real reason to group and meet people until max level and even then it's rare. Join que then once in group it's rush to the end and yell at people who don't know the mechanics. I met most of my wow friends questing in open world trying to beat the hard quests and dying together till we figured it out. I play hardcore now because people are still grouping to do quests but the problem is eventually all your new friends die.

@asmongold In Vanilla through LK I was indeed invited and accepted into dungeons and raids with zero experience and poor gear. This was specifically because some raid groups back then did not care about maximizing everything and did not require all raid positions to be filled to complete the raid. Back then unless you were running hardcore difficulties or in some competition it was fine to have some sub-par players in your group provided your core team was solid. That said I am not debunking as I did witness the "Bank Inspections" (usually in IF? It's been a while) but that was usually a group that did not have a solid foundation and was looking for core team members. Back then the bigger issue was being denied any gear drops as you were not part of the core team.

I tried to play for the first time during Shadowlands and level to 50 in BFA. For me, leveling up and story was like joining at the end of a party when you missed all the fun and couldn't enjoy it because everyone had already gone. And I had 2 funny interactions with players in leveling zones. First in Draenei starting zone and the second was in Nazjatar. They asked me what the hell i was doing there and when i told them i was a new player they reacted like they saw a unicorn.

I like how all WoW players do this 'hanging out in a city' thing where they just jump on rooftops and onto random objects while waiting for queues or whatever

I was a new player during Shadowlands and it was a frustrating experience. Luckily I had experienced friends who showed me what addons to get and how things work. That helped the learning process. Can't imagine how tough things would be for solo players.

It’s weird as I started off in wow around mist of panderia on my mom’s account and never really took the game seriously. I recently got my own computer and started to take wow seriously about 3-6 months ago and seeing how raids and dungeons function made me realize that there is a lot more to keep track of. A month ago all I knew was I am a DPS and to just make sure I keep my buffs timed to combo bursts of dmg as a frost DK. I have looked up guides on how the class works and the rotation (which thankfully is ez to remember) now i am looking for the feedback of my own performance to see if I am even timing everything right. There’s no default dps chart or disruption/interrupt count, just seems like you need to know either a command or have an add-on. As a “new” player I think 10-15 buttons is very reasonable especially if most of them are buff rotations and better feedback on my own performance would allow me to adapt faster in figuring out what gear I should be using or if my rotations have any effect on the battle. In raids your competing with 17 other dps for dmg so when you see the HP start melting it’s hard to tell rather if it’s you doing it or if it’s any of the other dps. My current spot with the game is that I’m stuck in progression. I can’t find a group to run normal or heroic raids with and I get declined from any mythic dungeons despite having 3 mythic+ dungeons already on my record wearing less powerful gear.

Blizzard needs to hire like 40 people aged 18-28 who has never played wow and monitor their progress over like a year to see where the barrier to entry lies and then fix it.

I did a normal dragonflight dungeon the day after DF launched. It was my first wow dungeon in YEARS since I hadnt really played since Legion. Some random mechanic that I didn't know knocked me off the platform and the group insta kicked me. Uhh. Apparently I was supposed to have watched videos of normal dungeons to know all the mechanics or play them all on PTR???? WoW community literally has no patience, they kill their own game. WoW retail players are entrenched and elitist about being good at this game.

6 skills that each serve unique and impactful purpose will always be more fun for me than 20+ skills where about 15 of them do roughly the same thing.

A good example was Enhancement back in like Cata/MoP era. Stormstrike (melee autos and storm strike itself could procs free strikes on occasion and gives extra maelstrom), flame shock, lava lash spreads fire shock, bolt at 5 stacks of maelstrom. AoE was Crash Lightning (a cleave version of Stormstrike) a fire nova button (makes your fire shocks do aoe damage), and you'd chain lightning instead of bolt. That was it. Simple but fun. CDs were wolves and bloodlust (maybe a racial if you were a troll or orc for example, but that gets macrod into your wolves for ease of use. Anything else was a passive or one time use for a long lasting effect (shields, weapon imbudes) and you can drop all your totems with one button.

Last time I tried got back into wow was in Shadowlands. Halfway through getting my bis pieces, I got this impending sense of dread, like a "what the hell am I doing??" type feeling. I logged out that very instant. Haven't played since.

It’s funny how every wow stream when I used to watch them, the streamer is always doing exactly what this guy is doing: jumping around waiting on a queue that never comes 😂

It feels like a job not a game.

One of the reasons why I am excited about the AI dungeons. I can do it whenever I want, at the pace I want and no worries about how I perform. If I want to try tanking, no worries. No complaining about the pace, the route and such. I hope they will include M0 dungeons just to help people learn the mechanics for doing m+.

The most popular wow streaming content right now is classic hardcore by far and it’s because people can understand all the gameplay, understand the objective and understand the stakes of losing.

The thing I miss most about my WoW experience from back in the day was class identity, everything does anything these days.

I would imagine if people were serious about becoming a top tiered competitor in any video game, then picking a game and just deciding to "try hard" until you get there is probably not the best idea. Figuring it all out on your own as you said would be a daunting task for anyone especially a new player. I imagine they would be smart about it and join some kind of team that can teach you everything you need to know and get you setup for it, helping you practice and learn until you finally reach that milestone that you want. By comparison athletic sports have teams, they practice together, they get better together, they learn and teach and help each other stay competitive. On the other hand, WoW is so much more than just arena battles, or various pvp game modes. I can't understand why players literally ignore basically the entire game just so they can duel each other. It just seems like a slap in the face to the developers.

I tried WoW for like 30 days straight because I wanted to get somewhere with it. I made a Tauren Druid, and while I had a relatively good time, I can’t say I’d recommend it. As a new player, I found a lot of things generally confusing. I did give the Game a Fair Shot, but in all actuality the only story points I REALLY remember are part of Warlords of Draenor. And say what you want, I really enjoyed Warlords of Draenor. Like a lot more than I was expecting to.

I played for 10 years and i still have a hard time seeing what is happening in a arena game 😅

I am 22 and have summerbreak from uni.started playing a week ago. After you complete the new exile map, you are thrown into the deepend. It just sucks that nobody in the community is open for new casual players and all the content is overwhelming. I am about to quit.

I remember in wrath as a fury warrior having an addon for slam procs, other than that it was a two button spam rotation, unless there were more that two targets, then you would keep sweeping strikes on cd. Mash two abilities, wait for slam procs and I would top dps meters.

Back in the early to mid 2000s I played Guild Wars. The pvp in that game was amazing. You could choose to make a pvp only character or take your pve character into pvp. The pvp only characters had max armor and weapons and you could customize them with runes, etc to your playstyle at anytime.

I only play one character anymore and I only play through the story once. I don’t do anything competitive anymore. He’s 100% right. It’s all too much.

I think the popularity of hardcore mode, where the focus and enjoyment is found *inside* the levelling experience rather than at endgame, might be a better indicator of what people actually want.

Stuff like this makes me glad that I'm a casual just enjoying questing/collecting stuff. Being a destruction warlock is pretty nice as well, because it's actually really easy to understand compared to most other specs out there.

As a newer player (wod) I constantly got kicked out of raids with no explanation at the beginning. I didn't even know what I was doing wrong.

I used to love doing PvP in Vanilla and TBC. One of the biggest reasons I stopped was for the reasons they're describing. Mostly given back in the day I knew everything each class could do and could play intelligently without having to no-life PvP. Now it feels like everyone can do everything and classes are all overlapping into each other and I can't keep track of everything.

Born to early to experiance full dive VR and born to late to relate to the warcraft no-lifers... what a dreadful existence we lead...

IMO, rotations felt best in Wrath-MoP. CDs actually lined up and the whole thing felt like there was effort put in it to give the sense of FLOW. There were not 10 million modifiers. Your base spells felt good to use and actually did damage. Using your CDs was a noticeable boost in damage, but without 10 million modifiers the stars can't align to blow someone up based not on skill but RNG. There was a large difference in performance between skilled and bad players as well as a result. Today's rotations feel cobbled together with things that don't fit, CDs don't matchup, etc. I just can't force myself to play retail because of this. As for PvP, if Blizzard puts no effort into WoW PvP then why should players care? For 19 years so few actual mechanical changes made specifically for PvP like change durations of CC against players, combine a few DR categories, and added effects like dampening to try to fix the issue of healer mana needs being different in PvE vs. PvP. Compare the development time put in PvE vs. PvP. In 19 years they've never thought to give one of the three roles in the game a purpose in PvP. You can't tell me in 19 fucking years no one has gone, "hey, should we maybe try to make it so one of the three roles actually works in PvP?" I mean Jesus Christ Warhammer basically solved the problem for you which came out the same year Burning Crusades did, and SWtOR fixed the issue of CC (in theory) with the idea of a single bar below the health bars where there are no DR categories to worry about. You are Blizzard... you do best taking existing ideas and polishing the fuck out of them. You could have stolen these two ideas and even combined them, with the tank specs doing less damage but in exchange be the ones with more potent CC and resistance to CC. You have had 19 years to innovate and have done NOTHING!

23:42 in vanilla wow, I had most of my actions (for rogue) keyed into 2 macros (1 in stealth, 1 out of stealth) on the same button. It was a much simpler game back then...

I play since Wrath. Last year I invited my best friends to play the game, and there were so many things that they needed to learn that they understandably lost interest after a couple of days

I played some WoW back in WoD, i wanted to play PvP, never was into raiding and stuff, and boy was i dissapointed, the thing i despise the most is addons, the whole concept of downloading 3rd party shit to get an advantage is appaling to me.

my friend dejenerater helped me start out at the beginning of 2023 on wotlk classic, without him i would have been lost he’s played since vanilla with breaks in between, but I now carry our party. i’ll lead our first raid soon thanks to him. i’ll always be by his side

I think part of the complexity issue is having so many skills accessible at the same time. Having a lot of options is good for diversity, but only if you have to make hard choices about what you are going to use. Take GW1 for example. Tons of skills, but you gotta pick 8.

I started playing WoW last year as a brand new player before phase 1 WoTLK came out. Played through all of phase 1 and most of the way through phase 2. I learned a lot about the game, got pretty geared on 2 characters and got bored of waiting for weekly resets. Hopped over to dragonflight and I am so lost on what I should be doing that I can't even comprehend what's going on.

This is exactly why I love playing specs like beastmaster or evoker, not too complicated, tons of movement so mechanics are a breeze, can actually enjoy the raids/m+

I've played WoW on and off since the game came out. Mostly with irl friends. And each time I return, I get more and more of the 'new player experience'. Sometimes that's a good thing. Like getting to explore all those new area's, quests, dungeons and so on. But then you also get new mechanics and gimmicks that don't actually make the game more fun or flexible, but just more tedious or convoluted. And it only gets worse the close you approach endgame content. If it's like that for a returnee, I can't even imagine the frustration a new player must feel :/

I really loved how Guild Wars did the spells with buttons. you had a like a lot of spells. but you could only bring 8 in your spell bar. that spell bar was the space you could fill up. you had to make choices of what to pick was truely amazing! everybody had a uniek class because of it! there where some obvious ones that where really good. but most of the time every player played so differently

That's the one thing that was really nice about GW2, you could go straight to PVP without any strings attached and be ready to go. That is why the game has a very lively PVP aspect.

Not only is it convoluted, you have to pay monthly to grind gear that allows you to grind better gear.

In Wrath paladins were a 5 button tank. 4-5 emergency buttons, but it was a solid 5 button rotation over and over. Never had anyone pull threat when they weren't actively taunting and trying to.

One thing about Vanilla WoW. Everyone was on the same page at the time. No one knew what was going on. No guides. No RU-vid at the time. It has become too large. They should have extended time between expansions

Yeah, PvP was always my main source of enjoyment in WoW.... But around Cata/MOP era when EVERY class started acquiring more CC spells and CDs.... It's more of a mental exercise than anything. That comparison you made using the vanilla WoW r14 VS arenas now was pretty spot on. The game is bloated, and PvP gives me a headache with everything you need to keep track of (and don't get me started on people's arena UIs....... I literally cannot comprehend them).

I agree about the buttons. My peak enjoyment was wrath arcane mage with 5 buttons, blood dk in mists and WOD, and demon hunter in legion. All of these I rolled with with 10 ish buttons, including CDs.

I'm playing wow for idk 15 years, and I was in high end raiding, now I'm old and i'm just playing m+ and top 20 or 21 key because I don't want to stress myself too much, but I think high end PvP players are different breed, read plays and all shenanigans what are they capable of doing is just crazy.

WotLK frostmage and moonkin were fun both had rotations that gave constant variation through their proc system. You weren't doing the exact same all the time. Your opener may have been, but as it went on, always something else to do. That's what kept me engage, and especially with Frostmage I had a lot of fun jumping around enemies with all the new abilities and procs. Whether soloing mob-groups or singles that should be too much or pvp, It didn't simply turn into "the one bestest and onliest rotation by theorycraft." There was constant dynamic.

I tried to come into wow from ffxiv. Was having fun coming through the game, then i hit cap..and i was hard stuck trying to figure out how to just enter pvp and pve endgame after doing lfg. Guilds felt so hard locked and trying to find a guild/people was so hard. Spent a day on it and went back to ff. The other stuff was annoying but nothing that turned me away. It was the fact that i couldnt get in to participate in the endgame. Not everyone wants to be super competitive. But wow community really felt like it wanted that

That was my problem when i played wotlk classic as an entirely new player. I didnt know what are addons and even the essential addons. My dungeons felt so terrible without any indicators from the vanilla display of the bosses and such. Ff14 did it much better and that I didnt even need to read guides and the game had indicators where i didnt need addons. The problem with this game is that the help doesnt even come from the devs, it comes way too much from players.

As a brand new player - to wow and mmos - coming over from console, I instinctively started an arcane mage going solely off my interest in it. Watching that video put my brain in a pretzel. I am loving retail truthfully, but the combat learning curve makes an already somewhat intimidating experience much more intimidating

Ok here is the point of view of a new player I starter playing 2 months ago. In the begginning it is very overwelming but after a couple of days/week at lvl 70 and with a good guild willing to help you, you understand how it work, I got my aotc in my second week on wow (thanks to my guild LOL) but I got way better. As of right now, I'm on the Mythic raiding team as a 444 warlock. Yes you need addons, yes you need practice, yes you need to learn a lot of thing but I think it is very rewarding when you'r able to progress with your guild even if takes 2 hours and 15+ pull to get to 3/9 mythic it is very fun and rewarding.

Completely agree with the going back to basics and working up from there. OSRS did this and it's very successful!!

back in the days, when warhammer age of reckoning dropped, I thought it was the future. You could start fresh and jump right in arenas, doing pvp all days, and your char would level up with your contribution to every match. I miss those days. Sadge

I agree about the rotations being too complicated. Not that I can't understand them, but I dont like clicking so once you get more than 12 abilities that you need to use it gets to be a pain to manage without clicking

A lot of people cried about like post wrath pruning but even in wrath theres a lot of buttons but theres only so many impactful buttons. Only so many buttons in a rotation. You dont have to prune class identities and remove half of everyones abilities. Just de complex the rotations of classes.

Reminds me of FFXI. Everyone wants new players, but no one wants to waste their own time bringing up new players and there’s no path for them to catch up on their own.

I played the game since Burning Crusade, maxed my first Character in Wotlk, got PvP gear every season by having fun in Bgs and arenas, was raiding since Ulduar and got ahead of the curve everytime since WoD and even had time for twinks. With shadowlands it went downhill for me. I logged in most of the time, ran around for a few minutes and then logged off, because I was so overwhelmed by the game and I didn't know what to do. (Still got ahead of the curve in Castle Nathria) "Shadowlands just wasn't my expansion" I thought and was ready to go really hard in dragonflight. Same thing. Overwhelmed by everything. The talent trees, the new profession system and countless other systems. I felt I had to study first in order to play a "game". I rather played Classic or any other game, where I can turn the game on and the brain off. Now this comes from a player that played this game for 15 years. Imagine having new players enter this mess. Forget about it.

One of my favorite memories in WoW was rolling a Holy Priest in late WotLK having never healed before and doing Koralon the Flamewatcher in crafted blues and vendor epics. The fight is mechanically simple alternating between heavy raid damage and heavy tank damage. You don't have to move iirc. But even as technically undergeared as I was I was still top healing, least overhealing, no deaths, and I went OOM the moment the boss died. I've never felt as perfectly tuned for a fight as that one moment and I didn't need the wild mechanics and rotations the modern game has to feel satisfied. Making the game superfluously more complicated just raises the barrier to entry and creates more opportunity for failure. Given that all the endgame content is group content, if every other player is a potential point of failure, and WoW is designed with increased opportunities for failure, then you're just wasting so many people's time with needless wipes on raids and dungeons, and inting in PvP.

I tried to get into it like a year ago, got a account to lvl 50 of 60, but there was just wayyyy too much of a learning curve, nobody got time for all that unless you live with someone who’s been playing forever and show you the way

This is the first season ever I've actually bothered to properly gear up for PVP, learn all the gear systems, etc and it's 100% because of solo shuffle. I don't even care that queues are 15-20min. It's a fucking blast. This is the most WoW I've played since probably WoD launch. Gearing was honestly pretty simple. I went from greens to conquest cap over the last 3 weekends playing completely solo dps. The only sad part is the open world feels super dead, not a lot of open world pvp going on.

I have a boomer colleague at work who played back in TBC. She wanted to go back in for Dragonflight. I tried to persuade her out of this, telling how much have changed and the absolute need for addons to play at acceptable level. She ignored my advice and played anyway, but quit as soon she hit Dragon Isles saying it was very overwhelming and she felt like she played a different game, she said "like an ubisoft game", and that leveling sucked cause she "didn't feel like she accomplished anything"

21:30 just remember to also watch the boss and not stand in bad stuff and do all other raid mechanics at the same time :)

The problem is with people having a standard for having a “rotation” rather than just doing damage. I don’t want my class to have an expectation of a rotation I wanna play my class how I want.

Guild Wars 1 had PVP where you could get in almost as easy as counter strike. They did it that you could create a PVP character, which had acces to max gear, so you had a level plain field.

I think an old game, B&S, handled that pretty well. in terms of rotations and amount of buttons. Think about the keybinds, we have 1,2,3,4,Q,E,R,F,Z,X,C,V. Just fill them with 1234 for dmg rotation. QE for mobility, R for race skill, F for interupt, Z for big amplifier, X for big cooldown and C for control and V for defensive. If you want 1,2,3,4 to be builder, you can also put mouse4 and mouse5 (or wheel) for spender.

"ALL YOU HAVE TO DO, is these million things before you ever play the game. Not that complicated" which is the very definition of "it's complicated". WoW's relationship status would be listed as "It's complicated".

I remember playing DoT warlock in BC. I cast appropriate curse, then my 3 DoTs, then we go on cruse control, reapplied DoTs and curse as they wear off and use chaos bolt for filler

When I played the game as a kid (vanilla/BC/Wrath) the most third-party influence I had in my game was Atlasloot and googling Thottbot quest guides for particularly dodgy quests. Didn't even have DPS meters on my client until Wrath where it seemed to be more important, or maybe I was just getting more into raiding than before. Anyway, I think there has been a crazy leap since ~WoD or Legion where the addons are practically playing the game themselves. It's insane. Not even the raid addons - I think the PVP addons are even more egregious. I would rather they outlawed all addons. Simplify the game if need be..

i am a r1 mage and recently i made a char on warmane. it took me half a day to get everthinf set up. i am running around 20 addons and have 20 macros. on top of that i needed to get BiS geared using my creditcard. after all the trouble i had to find a teammate too which is another pain. so yeah who in their right mind would do that edit: and i know what i am doing, imagine starting and clicking your buttons while idiots like me exist running a techno clownfiesta for playing

yeah I tried to get back into playing it (I had played the original beta and retail for a few years like a full-time job), I was interested in the war within but setting up all the addons and resetting up the UI is overwhelming.

New(ish) player. Hooked on Classic. Leveled Alliance and then Horde toons through Classic, TBC, and Wrath. Organized a raid team. Ulduar geared. I took a few months break from Wrath to play Classic and Hardcore. Came back to Wrath and found that I can't even walk into the latest campaign dungeon because my gear score is too low. I don't know that it's the game as much as the players who are unforgiving.

what a great video and the arena queue perfectly encapsulates the effects of the issue. every time venruki says, “arena” or “solo shuffle” you can replace that with “raid” or “m+” and the point will still apply nine times out of ten. world of warcraft has always had an accessibility issue, and frankly a new game is probably the only way to fix it

started playing wow for the first time with one of my friends during the pandemic. I mainly played osrs as my mmorpg, and I have played thousands of other games. I understood the basics about the game but had no idea about the many many specifics the game has. Pretty much stopped playing after the pandemic because i wasnt really sure what do besides dungeons and occasional pvp (but pvp annoyed me because I would just get stun locked)

The worst issue is blizzard flagging builds as "degenerate" when they don't like them and purging them from the game. They did this with Frodt Mages Glacial Spike build at the end of BFA in order to force a more complex rotation on Frost Mages

I quit at the beginning of cata and came back in bfa (dont judge me, i was on a workmans comp vacation and bored outa my mind). I tried to play fire mage because i loved it in wrath but i hated how much it changed. Ended up just sticking with fury warrior, and a bit of BM hunter until i quit in SL.

a hard reset is this game's last hope . just start us at 0 with a new story different timeline and a new game design.

I think a part of it is the longevity of the game. The chasm between new players, those that play for a few years and veterans is too big to maintain a sense of community and helping people figuring out the game like "this is the game we play, let's lower the bar for blueberries" instead of "adapt or die". Nobody wants to help new players, no new player has the need od making friends that could be more knowledgeable if the systems get less complex. Hard to find a common ground in mmorpg

I know im late but i tried going back to WoW when Dragonflight came out. Was there when Vault Of The Incarnate dropped, Spent the whole day being kicked from groups after 2-3 pulls for not being top DPS and flamed for dying when i got to a boss i hadnt fought before. Stopped playing that day and havent been back.

I’m trying to get into wow classic lk right now, never played wow as a kid so it’s all new to me. We’ll see how it goes, fun so far

I’ve tried getting into WoW a few times since 6months before shadowlands. I remembered always hearing about it as a kid, but never playing cause I couldn’t afford a PC. I finally could, but Jesus fuck I need an encyclopedia to know how to take a shit it feels like.

all my friends started playing classic, one started then 2, then 3 and now they have 5 people getting on daily, it's so wholesome and I think I might start playing too

The reason I play hardcore is because I love the thrill of the higher stake, everything seems more to an achievement to me. When I do loose it all is painful for sure cause if it wasn't I wouldn't care in the first place. I also like to start new characters and trying new stuff so I never felt like I was wasting my time. On the contrary I feel like I do on softcore since I can just play on auto pilot until loot drops and I go yay dopamine. Rather watch a movie. But hey that's my two cents.

At 43:02 you got me. Didn’t even realize it myself until you said it. I was just complaining about something I spent 11 years grinding for was being made more available in the next patch but this statement is actually it. Damn.

the next expansion should have a massive event pre expansion "the time reversal" and all addons are destroyed, core rotation massively reduced. Then the next big release is wow 2 to support a more streamlined game with a instant access PVP mode that is separate from the core game, and links to your MC for achievements etc.

Wanted to get into WoW before eventually picking a different mmo during the pandemic. It was super hard to wrap my head around all the systems I'd have to interact with to do anything. Let alone all the addons I would be required to get.

Its funny that guild wars 2 has pretty much solved this problem for MMO pvp. From the moment you make an account and buy the latest expansion and make a character you can just go to the pvp hub at the press of a button and select your stats and customizations for pvp which you can change at any time and you are good to go. You even get progress towards pve by playing pvp.

Yeah I played retail right up until MoP and my biggest problem was how long a 1v1 fight would take. Vanilla and tbc and wrath was the best pvp because it was less complicated. Still had its flaws tho.

I think the worse part of wow is if you want yo max out in the game, the game has to be your only game. You do not have time for other games. When I first started playing wow I didnt get to experience any of the ps3/360 era of gaming until at the end of the life cycle of those systems.

You also need to work full time for 2-3 years to memorize all the abilities and how they are used.

With simpler rotations too every button felt good and meaty to press. Now you have your "filler" spells that feel so bad to press so you can get to the meaty spells that actually do damage

The best PVP experience I've had in a MMO needed only one button : Force attack. In Lineage 2 what made the difference in winning and losing was your party composition, awareness, reacting to situations, and probably most importantly positioning ie knowing when to fight, when to run, when to keep distance as a 8-9 man group (or a 200 man group in sieges) or when to dive in. Playing the piano on the keyboard has never been something I want to be a part of. Sadly way too many MMOs thought they had to copy that and went overboard with the number of controls needed to perform at a basic level.

Idk how popular Classic is now but that feels so much more new player friendly. It's kinda funny because a few years ago retail was always called the casual one by older players but compare Classic to Dragonflight and it's crazy how complicated DF is.

This is a great take. And applies to other aspects of WoW. Let’s say you like casual games based on fantasy settings. You see WoW on one side and something like Genshin… remember this is a new young player… what looks more appealing? Heck, if you prefer more mature games replace Genshin with Elden Ring. These modern games are sprawling while still letting you be respectable pretty early. WoW is not just a grind, it’s complex above and beyond “enjoyment” for a new player

i just started like a year ago and im loving the challenge. havent tried pvping yet but ive tried out about all the classes

I loved Legion Arcane Mage's simplicity, even tried PVPing with it too. You just slow em and kite them.

As a new player that started few weeks ago i feel this so much, enjoyed the story yes but when i tried to do heroic raids after i did them all on normal it was a such a jump in difficulty for me the game doesnt explain how to gear where to gear and enchantments and stuff like that at some point you feel like you dont progress :/

The first time I tried raiding I sat around at nax for like 45 minutes. Then got my gear inspected and asked if I had done nax before. Got kicked for not having any raiding experience and never bothered again.

Watching this again now that season of discovery is out, really makes me appreciate how much easier it is for new players. It’s been really enjoyable, I hope the blizzard doesn’t botch it as they release more levels

There should be arean ranked with gear effects and ranked were everyones gear is even and somewhat same lvl. Arena should also be playable since lvl 1 and that ranked should be acceble at like lvl 30 and with 30 account wins in arena. That would be 1000% percent better