This sheep wagon, or sheep herders wagon, gets a new top cover, finish trim and a trip back home. This wagon will be setting outside as a display wagon so the goal is to make the top as durable as possible against the elements.
Two points: Yes their are quite a number of disciplines in the carriage trade and I wouldn't begrudge any of them; they have all been very instructive. Keep up the good work. I am from Australia, so I don't quite identify with American wagons, but it does give me an idea of what was used here. We had an old wagon (flat-bed...) that was converted to modern day axles, but items like the fifth wheel assembly used similar principles in design and construction. I have passed this YT video URL onto a fellow involved in Heritage Railways near where I live, and whilst it would be nice to retain "original stuff", this has turned out to be nightmare and a waste of money. I like the idea of the PVC sheet - it would be relatively easy to apply and a suitable coat of something (to imitate the original) would give a really finish with out sacrificing longevity. Keep up the excellent work!
I enjoyed watching you upholster the roof, it's part of the restoration. I was hopin to see you upholster the Democrat buggy seats. I understand why but I have to say we love when you super speed up video when hammering nails
I love craftsmanship like this where there are many disciplines. I remember running into these types of wagons in the owyhee desert in Idaho. Always a treat, and the wagons would almost always be where you'd never get a travel trailer.
I guess people watch what they want just like me, but to miss this series would be a total loss. It showed me Dave's extremely large abilities to do whatever needs to be done to finish a wagon. If it were a show wagon then I would want it original to the time. This was being rebuilt to use daily so the cover needs to be the best money can buy, to a certain point. As Dave said that's his job to find out what he will need to do. I'm glad I didn't miss these videos. Thanks for camera work that is very good, and time spent working with the camera. Stay safe
I for one quite enjoyed watching your expertise with the old Singer on the buggy top. It might even get me to come up with a project that forces me to blow the dust off the old Consew I acquired a few years ago. Thank you.
I know that I am only one person but I don't care what job you do. I love the way you think ahead and make the results be really great. thanks for sharing. awesome job on sheep wagon Mr. Engels
that material you are using looks fantastic!!! it is called TPO roofing and comes in many colors. modern technology meets old world craftsmanship!! love your videos!
OOOOOh too much open projekts. Brick BBQ, Stove and oven; Lancaster longrifle aso.But in three weeks we go for a viking reenactment with the tent. That will be good too :-))maybe I will make a vid for the channel.
It's the viartry of your trade which makes it so special because you need to cover many different jobs rather than outsourcing and just specializing on one thing. Not every aspect might have the same level of interest but it never gets boring either by just doing one and the same all year long. Excellent Video thanks for sharing.
thank you for keeping this art alive!! its all an important part, not just the black smithing or just the wood work, one needs to know it all if one is to redo/recondition these beautiful parts of history,, thank you for sharing
I love watching you work. You make everything look easy. I live in Scotland where you don't see too many wagons but I really want to build one after seeing what you do. Please keep the videos coming. Everything you do is interesting and your commentary is perfect.
Hi: I liked what you used for the roof. What surprised me was you used two layers of this 21 th. material. I liked very much the three main colors you used. I also likes what I call pen stripping. I am also surprised how many different skills you need to do wagon building and repair. I enjoy all the different things things that you do in the shop. For me it is a great jot to see a talented craftsmen.
What a great job you have done on the sheep wagon. The owner must be very impressed with it. You have presented a wonderful display of your skills and I have enjoyed every minute of the reconstruction of the sheep wagon. Cheers and thank you
Enjoyed this series on the rebuild of the sheep herders wagon very much. Your skills and those of the people that helped along the way are most impressive.
Great restoration Mr. Engels. Your attention to the details (even washing windows) is an example for us to follow. I hope this question is not out of line, do you label or tag your work when you've finished? Maybe you might use a small branding iron to do it? Thank you for making these very interesting and informative videos. Wish you all the best, Joe
the handyman will watch all you do to learn more. that is why i love this channel. handyman after retirement. thank you for all you do. a man can never learn to much.
Sir, I live in Belchertown, MA and once upon a time Belchertown was called the carriage capital of the world with over 100 carriage and carriage related businesses in the area. Henry Ford almost built a plant here because of the experienced labor force which never happened. There is not one business remaining from this era. To see what you do is a snapshot into the past and the history you relate is educational, fantastic and quite frankly makes one take notice of the skill set you have. Just an observation, but I truly believe few people could do what you do at the extremely high level your at. Thank you for allowing me to watch. Truly amazing!
I hope some creative elementary or High School teachers have the time, in between tests, to use these videos. They are a look at the past - and a testament to a work ethic, not to mention each trade and skill. Thanks.@@EngelsCoachShop
This has been an interesting restoration for me in particular as I grew up in the 1970's in Cumbria and SW Scotland and saw different types these Shepards Huts in use on almost every farm we lived on. I used to love "camping out" in them out of season when they where brought down from the mountains/ hills (called Fells in Cumbria) for repair, maintenance and nostalgic camping use as they would be kept under trees in the orchard or grassed and tree covered glade, which almost every large farm had due to travellers or gypsies stopping on their routes at regular intervals. My Great Grandfather was a Traveller, an engineer. He travelled with 3 horses one pulling, one one standby for hills and one at the rear on walking rest. Pulled a traditional Bow Top accommodation wagon and behind that a Flat Top Workshop/Engineering wagon complete with forge for boiler repairs etc. He travelled the West Coast from Carlisle to Glasgow, his 3 sons where "Born on the hay" under the wagon. Sadly he stopped travelling when his 2 oldest sons where killed in WW1 it broke his and particularly his wife Hannah's love of the open road...she waited for her son who was Missing, presumed dead, just in case he came home.... It's a little known fact that a huge number of soldiers where from Traveller stock, be it the Road Boys like my family or the Canal Boyo's. Tough men, women too. Many thanks for pulling up memories of my grandfathers stories and young lazy summers in Bow Top Van's. Charlie 🇬🇧 Those no longer
I found Monel staples when I re upolstered my motor cycle seat. The original staples were steel that rusted. Probably you can find Monel staples and brads for your air staplers. Thanks for the vids
I think it’s awesome to see all the trades involved in wagon making, and the fact that you seem to be a master of them all is amazing. Even the touch of riveting the hinges so they don’t come loose is a testament to your attention to detail.
You made mention of viewers dropping off during the upholstery. Well I went out and found an old white sewing machine just to learn how to sew. I like to think I’m a jack of all trades. And I do learn a lot watching you. So I guess I’m saying thanks for your knowledge it improves mine!
Two things in your video brought up old memories. I remember your vinegar and filings treatment from my Dad and Henley's Formulas. Our farm bordered the local fairgrounds, Agassiz, BC. We stored stored several pieces of equipment used for our town's fall fair including a flying plywood box on long wire rope kiddie ride powered by a tractor's PTO and a few wagons used in the fair's opening parade. The ride was fun but a little scary and we played on the wagons a lot. The handle beside the wagon door is what I remember well. Running and grabbing the handle and swinging out of sight was normal play. Our handle was flipped from yours. I'm wondering if the handle is perhaps used as well for tying leads to? Ours could easily have been oriented incorrectly when they were being rebuilt several times over their long lives. Anyway I appreciate and enjoy your videos. Take care.
I'm not much of a responder. Infact this is my first reaction on youtube. I've watched all your video's with great joy. Please keep them coming. I assure you I'll watch them all.
Dave you have completed another outstanding restoration. Arrant those nail guns handy, I know I have several myself? I can't help but wounder why you didn't pre-paint the green trim before installing them on the wagon? Perhaps you thought of it as you started to paint them, that is when I would have thought, "I wish I had painted first." Again another great video! Thank you Dave, for sharing! We know it takes you a lot of time and effort to put these videos together, thanks!
Your logic is good and your applying the TWP first is also good, however, my thinking is in painting first before installing the trim is to eliminate the time consuming task of cutting-in the edges. After the trim is installed I would then go back fill the holes, lightly sand and repaint the face of the trim. Instead of climbing up and down the ladder trying to carefully cut-in those edges, (my hand is not as steady as it used to be). Of course everybody has their own way of doing things so please understand I’m not criticizing your way of doing what you do but thinking out loud, so-to-speak, of how I might do it. Because you are such a great craftsmen which I do admire very much! Thank you! Richard
I'm not one of those fair weather friends who flees at the sight of upholstery. I marvel at how many skill sets your trade involves. There are some few tasks I would do differently, but I can't argue with your end product. Thanks for letting us watch.
One of the neat things about seeing different approaches to a task is the opportunity to pick up what we in the South call "slights," ways to streamline the work or make it easier. Thanks again.
Excellent video as always. The upholstery videos are just as interesting as all the other aspects of the particular job you are working on. Keep them coming!
Dave, It's a shame that the number of views drops off when you do upholstery. It's just as much part of your trade as the Blacksmithing, Woodworking, & Wheelwrighting (if that's the correct word). I hope the owners make sure to keep their vents open when they light the stove -- that covering is probably nearly airtight! Thanks again for another educational & interesting video. I rarely do woodworking and do a little bit of Blacksmithing, but every video you post is still very interesting, regardless of what the video shows.
For a historical sheep herders wagon i would prefer an also historical cover with uncoated sailcloth , eyelets+hooks and ropes. The version in this video is too modern and perfect🤔. Sorry, Mr. Engels! Another idea could be a cover with zinc sheet. What do you think about my ideas?
Loving the traditional skills. One small observation, I believe the wagon will experience condensation with this new material. May I suggest opening windows or vents within the windows to allow for air circulation. I wish we could teach the next generation all your skills. Why not use these wagons to drive cattle like the old days ( it worked for them).
The wagon looks great, another wagon back on the road. You are a skilled craftsman at anything you do, I hope I can learn some of these things watching your videos, amazing work, stay safe, thanks for the videos. Doug. Alabama
I agree that the condensation issue will be a major problem with this covering. It will form on the inside and slide down the curved sides, rotting the bottoms out from the inside. Canvas is breathable, vinyl is not. From many years of setting up tents for weekend events I can tell you this for a fact. Cooking and a sleeping body put off a lot of moisture, it has to have away out.
Okay, now you've hit a cord w/ me that I can speak to :) 1st of all I'd like to say that, although I may not comment every time, I watch each and every video and love them all tremendously !! :) Please keep em' comin' ECS ! :) Now, on w/ my rant :) Back when I was young and thinking of different jobs I might take up for careers, I use to be terrified that I'd get into something that was repetitive !! I didn't think I could work at a factory tightening the same nut all day every day :( I didn't want to lay dry wall , mud or tape buildings for the rest of my life. I didn't even think the electricians had enough diversity in projects for me. I became a carpenter precisely b/c it had variations of projects from running base, chair rail, hand rail, crown, waynes coat trim, stairs, doors, windows, arches, radius', glue, screw, mortise & tenon joinery, paint grade, stain grade, plastic lam, etc... I use to look at all the other trades and feel sorry for the guys that had so much repetition or their stuff covered by my beautiful wood works :) I do enjoy the odd different jobs affiliated w/ your work and mine :) Love your observation and agree 100%,Sincerely .................... P.S. The only things missing are Robert Mitchum & Deborah Kerr :) lol :)
I used to design and build custom made wheelchairs, orthotics and other custom medical equipment. Talk about never doing the same thing twice !!! Then I was on a pit crew for a stock car for a hobby !!! Same principle, build the stuff you need in a hurry too !!!
You cant please everyone. I love everything involved in the wagon work, Im a carpenter but so what. I rarely watch my own trade. I find other trades very interesting. Your work covers many trades and I like it that way. Please keep them coming. And thank you for your efforts.
OUTSTANDING JOB on covering the wagon! I LOVED that you brought the covering up to date, and used a modern material. That should last at least several decades.
I believe they use the same type PVC sheet material in containment liners for oilfield locations in the State of Pennsylvania. Only difference is the color. They collect even the rain water that falls on the oilfield pad and recycle it.
Fabric covered aircraft now use synthetics (Ceconite, Dacron etc.). Heat shrink to taunt fit; last a very long time. Might be an option down the road. My Dad, uncles and grandfather spent a lot of time in those things in eastern Montana.
lolson Beautiful for sure. I agree that it is waterproof and durable. But what about ventabilty and condensation inside. I would think that if it is cold outside (snow) and heated (stove) inside there is going to be lots of condensation running down the sides and dripping from the top--even with a window open. I can only imagine what happens if water (coffee) was boiling on the stove. No place for that water vapor to go. This is one reason that canvas was used originally.
how is the breathability of that material? Canvas is pretty breathable, but that sheet does not look like it holds up in that regard. I could e completely wrong, however.
Why did it have such an loose top there at the end? Was it due to being hotter in the sunshine causing expansion of the top material? Just curious. Thanks so much for your willingness to share!
Love to watch your videos. For best defence against water intrusion, the windows and door could have been removed and the top folded into their openings. Just my 2 cents.
Not boring at all. I have learned a lot by watching others, RU-vid is a perfect classroom. People today can't do much in the way of helping themselves due to a lack of knowledge. I love watching all your skills. Thanks fr the opportunity to learn new things.
The original tiny home! Where did you wind up getting the PVC fabric? I've looked for it and can only find finished products or sewing supplies. It's for something more mundane than these wonderful wagons. A neighbor has a carport that has PVC canvas stretched over the frame instead of metal or plastic panels. I really like the look of it and it allows light through into her home in what would normally be a dark area with more opaque material. I was hesitant to think about something like that thinking it would wear out, but you mentioned it had a 20 year guarantee and will likely last longer. Not too many products can claim that today. I'd appreciate knowing where you got it. Thanks for taking us along!
I really enjoy watching you do all aspects of your top notch work. In tents, having a water and water vapor proof roof like that results in condensation on the inside during cold weather. Why will this not happen during cold weather on the inside of this wagon? I know with canvas, it can be waterproof but allow vapor to pass through.
I have spent some time sleeping out of doors under various kinds of tent material. This impermeable material may spell trouble. Or it may work out. My initial inclination would be to use canvas with some type of treatment and recover it every four or 5 years. But it isn't my wagon. Hope it works out for him.
Nice.... One comment, it looks really dark inside in contrast to canvas, which does let some light through. Small price to pay for the much more durable and water proof covering.
Having been involved in RVs and RV repair for years, that cover is an excellent choice of longevity. However, every time that material is penetrated, it is a potential leak from water creep along screws, nails and any binding hardware. I am sure you used some sort of rubberized glue or sealer where the penetrations occurred. You are much to detail attentive to not do that.
Beautiful job. I like the way you incorporated new materials with the older / original work. I really enjoy watching your videos as I see how a craftsman does his work, no matter if it is metal work, wheelwright, wood work or working with fabric. Please keep em coming.
Thanks for the great video. I am having a hard time finding stove pipe for my stove. Do you have a special place you get yours? Or do you just modify stove pipe from the hardware store to fit? Appreciate the help. Thanks again.
The upholstery is a very important part of a wagon. folks can put up with a few squeaks and maybe a bumpy wheel a lot better than they can tolerate the sleet and cold rain soaking them. You do excellent work on all phases of wagon building. I enjoy all of your videos. Thank You for showing them.
I am not among those who aren't interested in upholstery! I love the entire process that you go through to restore this equipment. Maybe several years in front of an industrial sewing machine has had some influence on me. Please continue to show all aspects of the projects that you accomplish. I just wish I lived closer so I could come observe/assist with some of these projects. Thank You!
A sheep wagon is a wagon for transporting sheep. In the interest of history and language, one who herds sheep is a shepherd. His mobil domecile is a shepherd's wagon. Also if a herdsman herds goats, his mibil domicile is a goatherd's wagon. These designations are many centuries ols in english and directly referenced to in more ancient languages back to the bible and beyond.
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I like to know how comfortable the new covering will be as it is plastic and non breathable the inside will be a sweat shop in high heat,where as canvas breathes.
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You did a fantastic job but like the magic cloth of the 1960's,light weight, strong, durable and they made everything out of it from suits to sheets but nylon was sweaty, hot and uncomfortable and now you hardly ever see it. I think he will rue his choice of fabric.
Nitpicky questions. Since you sit in the door to drive what do you sit on? Also does the door have a hold back to keep it open? Is the rear window operable for ventilation?
I very much enjoyed the sewing episodes,I am a carpenter but many other things and I learned to sew on a machine much like the one you have ,my grandmother taught me and it has served me well in many situations
