New Tesla Model 3 Performance Top Speed & Extreme Thermal Stress Test! Yikes, Improvements Needed 

Wth! Did the airline lose his luggage? Where's the sweatshirt?

Kyle can completely nerd out in Germany, they totally get him in spite of the language barrier.

7:34 What i immediatally noticed is that in Track Mode there is not an option like "overclock cooling compressor " like it is on the pre Highland Performance Modle 3. On the old Model 3 it overclocked the cooling compressor and loop before starting your drive.

You know it’s gonna be a good video when Kyle doesn’t have a jacket on LMAOOO

Had 3 M3P over the years here in Germany. There were only a handful of chances VMax them. Speed limits, construction, traffic. The early 2019 Panasonic battery was great, the later LG isnt. Same with the stock tires, later ones were more efficient, but had no grip. Vmax of +155mph or 261kph was limited to a minute or so, the car then slowed down. One trick pony, thats not what other cars do (sadly, ICE cars). The P ist just a sticker. Great car, but I switched to a MY SR. Its fast enough with 217kph on todays Autobahn and traffic

Just so we’re clear, this is the EU, AU and NZ models of Model 3 Performance. This is not what they’re seeing in US.

Their was a time the ADAC (general german automobil club) recommend to use the left turn light, to gently signal you want to pass. So older people with enough money to buy a Mercedes, BMW or Audi still follow this advise. 😇 Nice to see you all.

I’m so glad I have an American made 2023 Performance. It is the best car I have ever owned. Thanks for another great video, Kyle!!

Thanks for your amazing coverage of all things EV!

As someone from Germany the video is quite important for me. And I have to say it is unfortunately not cut for German Autobahns😅

Kyle: Let's not make this a super long video Proceeds to make a one hour video

Omfg! Kyle without a HOODIE!! 😂🔥🔥🔥 things are about to get spicy!

Why can't it show exact temperature values in track mode? Why does it have to be stupid bars. So vague

I have had a new M3 Performance since two weeks ago. I picked up the car, and I did a 700km Tryp diving at 140/150 constantly, some times a little bit faster. And yes, the engine and oil temps were higher than the ones in my old performance. The LG battery is the same. Somehow, it doesn't manage the engine temp as well as the old one. What a same.

Are you planning on test driving the EX30 twin motor performance while you’re next in Europe? We love ours!

23:46 What i noticed is that in italy and france people use the indicator to signal they want to pass and please move over. And you know what the cars in front of the one who want to pass do? They move over.

Out of Spec Threads - Fresh hoodie, Kyle!!

Vanessa rules, great vid!

You can push past the thermal capabilities of a Model Y just driving it on the highway in the Summer in Texas. They definitely do not have enough cooling in their whole platform. The Y was unusable for me during the day on the highway there last Summer during a heat wave. At highway speeds, you would think they would find a way to take advantage of all of the air whooshing by for cooling by directing some of it.

Amazing response on here. I’ve had plenty of performance cars and would never track them, tyre death and risk of ending up in the kitty litter is too high. So track performance is irrelevant, the joy of the m3p is in road speed, handling and ride comfort.

Even as a new M3P owner who might never track the car... I'm also concerned about temperature management -- battery and motors primarily, as brakes should be upgraded anyway, and I think that the braking updates in a car that is going to the track are expected. I'm glad Kyle got his eye on it; I'm sure we will get more videos and updates. Hopefully, a software update, even if the car is still limited on hardware, can make it more manageable...

So, I may be biased but one reason I purchased the EV6GT was your similar video last summer because you ripped the Kia in Germany and it held up and never overheated. Is that correct Kyle? I drove from ATL 100 mph to Florida and charged at 237 KWH almost the entire 20 min from 10% to 80% and it was 95 degrees out. I'm so happy I have the best EV for the money.

I can't even imagine driving 250 kmh (155 mph) on the highway. Guess the luxury you get living near the Autobahn.

if i'm not mistaken, by mid 2022 tesla started shipping the euro performance with the LG battery already. it's not like they suddenly took the panasonic away with the refresh now.

Sounds like they upgraded the motor without upgrading the battery or the cooling system. so at max output, it produces heat faster than it can cool itself. It cools at the same rate, but heats up the battery a little faster due to the larger motor pulling a little more power.

Sorry to see the global spec m3p struggling like this. For those worried, the US spec seems to do better. Hit top speed (163mph) while at 23% battery on a test road. (Closed to public) Slight power limit but still hit top speed. I'd imagine it would do 180ish if it wasn't limited. Took 23 seconds, full throttle to go from 123 to 163 at that battery %. Probably would do it in 15-17 seconds at 80+ battery.

Overheating from such short autobahn burst is pretty embarassing for a brandnew car. Holy shit.

Unfortunately the new model 3 Perf is quite a disappointment when compared to other EV performance variants, Ionia 5 N has non of these issues. Other reviewers have shown how the brakes are cooked almost immediately followed soon after by an overheating battery at the Nuremberg ring. Why bother with a Track a mode, when it’s essentially useless at a track!

This video is worth it for the last 15 mins or so discussion at the charger, get these guys on for a podcast!

My Plaid has zero thernal issues when I RIP on the german Autobahn. Disappointed that the M3P thermal particular with LG pack is not able to provide sustained power. Even if thats really not an actual problem in 99.99% of driving situations 😂😅

Yep, plenty of people in Europe have taken the new car on a track and it overheats by the 2nd lap. It didn’t even last 1/3rd the Nürburgring. Edit: UK track video Thruxton: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M6_LN0uzPZY.html Misha: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0tdhYevUGwM.html

First of all, thanx for excellent content and second, THANK YOU SO MUCH for bringing more light on the subject of EU long range / performance battery (LG M50). For EU people that don't do any intense research, they don't know that they are not getting the car they saw reviewed on RU-vid (since more reviewers are US based). I got the M3P 2022 with LG pack, just missed out on the Panasonic that they stopped delivery in march 2022. I would very much like to have a dedicated video about this and also about claims of issues with the Panasonic battery packs that came from China (although as far as I was able to research, the cells them self were actually US made). What I would like to have focused on is the only real problem that LG M50 has: high inner resistance. There is nothing wrong with the cooling system from Tesla, the only issues is wrong selection of batters for the power requirements. Too high inner resistance causes higher losses which causes more heating of the battery. The power losses (heat) on LG battery are almost twice as high as on Panasonic (According to Eivissa from TFF - than you so much), the voltage drop of Panasonic at max. power out is about 55v @ 1150 amp (63kW goes into heat losses in the battery), but LG has 95V @ 1250 amp (119kW in battery heat losses)!!! I tested this my self on OBD and the voltage dropped from 390V down to 290 V (my battery SOC was about 90% but the temperature was not as high so I even got more than 95v drop). tff-forum.de/t/model-3-performance-2022-panasonic-vs-lg/210880?page=1

I can’t grasp how Kia/Hyundai kicks Teslas ass in battery temperature management… Come on, Tesla… 🤦‍♂️

magnifique discussion technique et précise . On aimerait tellement que les journalistes aient tous ce niveau de connaissance et de competence . Bravo.👍👍

15:38 I am not sure about that, as the new KIA EV6 GT currently sells for 55k-60k euros in Germany and other markets in the region. If you don't need a brand new one, but a 2023 one from the showroom with a few thousand km on the odometer is not a problem for you, we're talking 49k-52k euros. Also in the US there are some good deals on this car @TechnicallyJeff got one a few months ago.

A Performance car not build for the tracks and simple Autobahn runs. Okay. Good thing its a Tesla, any other brand would get a shitstorm for this.

You are insane driving those speeds on a highway. lol. I was grabbing my chair tight watching this. Hilarious.

Looking at your map in the first few seconds… you are so close to my home!

Musk should answer why cooling is so bad on Tesla cars. It’s the biggest issue I have with Teslas. Nobody speaks about it

Good car for its price, but the Performance badge is laughable. Considering its a around 500hp car and has problems from a simple Autobahn run. The Ioniq 5N actually deserves that badge.

So much fun! My 2020 Model Y LR with acceleration boost likes to top out at a random 138mph.

LG (NCM) batteries are also applied to the Porsche Taycan Turbo. Products released in the US naturally use US-produced Panasonic batteries (NCA) for subsidies. Of course, it may have used a much cheaper battery than the Porsche, but I think the battery manufacturer's warranty on the C rate also factors into the output limit. What I'm really curious about here is that NCA is better than NCM in terms of output limit, but the lifespan is also unstable. No matter how hard you search, it's hard to find criticism of Tesla's SOH, but I can't tell if it's because there really isn't a problem or if it's just Teslaboys blinding them.

I wish we had an autobahn in the US... I'd even pay a toll for it... :(

😂 racing like a giant RC car

The thermal management system, as I understood it, in Tesla is a thermal sharing... It prioritizes cooling the battery and uses the motor to hold excess heat while it tries to deal with the heat etc...

Best car in its class price / performance, as long if you don´t want to get fast - then it will be shaky at least over here in Germany - so not for me. And no it cannot be fixed by OTA. (still marveling in the Race to Vegas and back mood - that was awesome guys) Good to see you have so many German Fans around 😀

Converting all the readouts to freedom units would have been nice. Haha. Thanks Kyle!

You can change language 😅

Correction: For a Model 3 Performance in Germany you don't even get a 330i xDrive with same options. M340i is 76k compared to 58k (was 56 2 months ago) for M3P.

It was very frustrating that the camera was locked on you instead of showing the road while you talked. I don't need to see you the whole time. I WANT TO SEE GERMANY AND THE AUTOBAHN. Thanks. :D

Very cool - even a call out for Soest, my old stomping grounds - Dambuster territory !!

Bro stop it with "your normal user won't experience this" crap. Its a Performance spec, it has a damn track mode, it should be capable of doing at least one damn lap at top specs...

I think this is another great demonstration between how Tesla defines performance and how other automakers define performance. Tesla is great value for money for most people who are just driving in traffic and want a lot of power but only for less than 1-2 minutes. And for the people who want to track... or drive spiritedly longer, then the more expensive Hyundai IONIQ 5N and Porsche Taycan are better as they can maintain high power for significantly longer without overheating and aren't underbraked from factory.

2021 Model 3 Performance with the Panasonic eats the new Highland M3P below 60% SOC, and it eats it on track after 5 minutes when the Highland cuts power to combat the heat. The EU M3P in practice regressed, although on paper it seems better.

the Autobahn is the innovation field of the German car makers

I wonder if it is the European Lg battery that has the temperature issues? I ran 10.63 @ 128 mph for the 1/4 mile this weekend. Temps at the track were well over 100 degrees F and I ran six 10 second passes with no heating issues at all. In fact I was heating the battery the whole time. No issues at all.

Regarding thermals, there’s an engineering trade-off. They could have easily put larger air inlets, but that would sacrifice range due to aerodynamic drag. Look at the Ionic 5N. No thermal issues, but it only has like 200 miles of range. I guess Tesla decided range was more important than all-out top speed performance and I would say it was probably the right decision to appeal to more buyers.

Love my US version. Only issue is a few rattles have started on the passenger side going over bumps after 2 days of ownership 😢

You've got a fan in me, keep 'em coming!

Need this test with an Ioniq 5 N

Interesting seeing Hyundai building a better European car.

At 40% SOC, you have lesser voltage which means the system will draw more current to achieve power demand which results in more heat.

Isn't the Canadian the LG Battery too? Might make comparisons in North America pretty easy.

15:33 Not a new car, but you can get an older Model 3 Performance with the Panasonic battery pack which accelerates and charges better :P

It's a spicy meatball...but just runs a lil' bit hot at times. Tesla actually supplied a vehicle, that's pretty rare these days.

I thought Francie was gonna drive the Rivian but in the video you said she's in the model 3?

Could the Tesla software just be "too conservative" for now? In the end, we don't really know the real temperature numbers, we are just seeing what the car is telling you... the computer might be playing it safe for now... I mean, they have done "live" beta testing before remember!? :D

KM/H not MPH

Sending it hard at low SoC builds even more drivetrain heat because voltage is lower so it needs to pull more amps to make the same power.

Great content as always

Is the previous gen Model 3 performance significantly better?

There is no "Pre-drive cooling" option like on the old Model 3 which was called "overclock cooling compressor"

Running heat in the car while parked with the windows open will help cool the battery more than ac. Running the heat in all newer model 3s draws heat from the battery (when hot)

Its funny how you downplay 'using performance' in a car called Model 3 Performance just because its a Tesla, 'no normal user will experience this'. The EV promotion nowadays is absolutely insane. If someone would test a Bmw M3 and it would overheat on a Autobahn run it would get a recall immediately.

24:05 two feet on the break lol

Kyle come on don't praise the M3P so much. This is embarrassing!! Oberheats too quick, same old problems. And that's a brand new car. The interior is boring, not full sporty feeling as you mentioned. Come on! Look at a E-tron RS GT interior!! That is sporty! Sorry but you're too Tesla biased.

Hog back on 12.5 needed as soon as it comes out.

Isn't 100% regen hurting motor AND battery temps.... 3rd video in track mode I've seen with thermal issues BUT all with 100% regen set as well??? ...including Mishas ring vid. Am I on Crack?.... or turn off/reduce regen would drop temps!?!?!

Nah. It’s perfectly legal to flash from a great distance to wake up the driver in front of you. Same woth indicator, wich I love in similar circumstances you hat with the Tiguan. They think they are ripping at 170-180 but you want to go 200+. Just to let them know you wanna pass. I often do 210km/h for long stretches between Berlin and Leipzig and never run into thermal issues with Model 3 LR 2022. You get to your destination without charging and consumption, stress on the car + thermals are ok. There is no real benefit going faster. Same with daytime fast driving. You have to find a balance between going fast, consumption, traffic that slows you down going fast enough so people in front don’t assume you are doing only 140 and don’t pull out in front of you. It’s fun to find the right balance. Also driving with headlights ON help a lot at day.

Honestly I genuinely hope that Tesla is continuing improvements to the model S and doing a redesign in the next 2-4 years! Would love to see a model S plaid with 1,100-1,200HP, but due to low sale volume compared to the model 3 and the model Y who knows.🙏🏼

For some reason tesla thermals are always extremely underwhelming, yeah enough to rip from a stoplight to the next but that's about it, you can never do a full push lap in any tesla, always limited by temps. Not only that but the stock brakes are always just garbage. CMON, literally the 2 most important things in the car if you want to have fun at the track and both are huge misses.

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Why do you keep saying Miles Per Hour when the speedometer CLEARLY says Kilometers Per Hour!

I would say the thermal system and thermal interface is not correctly designed for a performance vehicle 🚀

Go from Berlin south to Leipzig. A9 is a super open 3 lane autobahn. Perfect for high speeds.

hello, I would love to see you test electric cars from the European market that are not available in the USA.

Also, why aren't the guests correcting you each time you say MPH?

The US version also has many vids having this exact problem. The people ignorantly guessing in the comments that it doesnt i can assure u are wrong. Just look around on youtube for urself. After just 1 lap around a 2 min track its cooked.

It really feels like Tesla dropped the ball. Or maybe they just don't care anymore since they focus more an Optimus and Robotaxis?

You may not know, Autobahn gets stressful over time, especially the way you drive. AND: tires last 60%less in Germany (autobahn and round abouts...)

I wonder if the motors get a separate cooling loop, will the batteries stay considerably cooler?

Any chance to test the Long Range AWD? 😊 Thank you for all of the content! Best regards!

They are able to use a smaller steering wheel because there’s no instrument cluster through which a larger steering wheel is needed to see.

47:25 Would not it be enough to just torn off the ac for the cabin but maintain the airflow ? So the ac knows it does not need to work for the cabin and utilize itself fully for the battery / drivetrain?

This was a fantastic demo of the adaptive headlights, why can’t we have those in the United States?

I’m torn. We have two 2022 model 3 LFP one with 115k the other 55k and they’ve been perfect. I can afford to trade up one of them to the new performance but here in Canada we get the LG battery pack… I’m also worried about loosing my drivers license if I get caught while having fun…

It's a shame we can't have that America. It's only people can learn how to drive here

need a t-shirt that says "Full Send" on the front and "Rippin'" on the back.

Great video, cool people!👍🏼

why dont you just add 5 more over weight passengeers and wonder why the batteries gets hot