New Triumph Rocket 3 is heavily restricted! 

Glad you like them!

I have some videos where I went on extended demo rides to help a friend at Triumph, break them in for their demo and press fleet. It's amazing for what it is, but at the same time I was a bit underwhelmed by the power. I was expecting more.

Oh, I don't own a rocket. I am just playing around with TuneECU and looking at different maps and was amazed at how much they held the Rocket 3 back.

An Android phone or tablet, an app called TuneECU, and a bluetooth connector. You can get all the info from TuneECU.FR

Maybe, but only if they have ride by wire throttles. If they have the older cable style, then no.

DNK? I wouldn't give them a dollar. Horrible customer service and a really poor attitude...

Yeah. You can take the stock map and just "un-restrict it" to get the extra power. You can also play with fuel and timing if you have access to a dyno, and did the exhaust and really want to dial it in... But un-restricting it gives huge gains on a 100% stock bike. Imagine if your car had a wooden block under the gas pedal, so that no matter how hard you pressed it, that wooden block would only let you push the pedal down 60% of the way. That would hold the car back from putting out full power. We are removing that wooden block, in software, that's all.

im planning to do this procedure on my bike is a model r 2020 VIN : SMTYBG11J5L987635 how can i do ? thanks in advance @@SquireSCA

You don't. Without ride by wire and modes, there is nothing to unrestrict the way there is on new bikes. All I think you can do is tune it.

Doesn't work with an iPhone or a PC, you will need an Android phone or tablet, and a bluetooth OBD connector like this one: amzn.to/3O84tyD

@@SquireSCA thank you

That is all I would do, adjust the AFR tables to 13.2 across the board, and then go into ETV3 and also ETV4 if your bike has it(make them both the same) and unrestricted it like you see in the video. You could also open up the stock map, copy the ETV2 table, then open up your Penner map, paste that to ETV2 and then push that to the bike.

Yes, ETV3 is the Sport engine mode. And do yourself a favor and leave traction On. There is no benefit to having it off unless you are doing burnouts and wheelies.

@@SquireSCA I turn it of because it severely limits my launches from a dead stop if you want full power I recommend turning traction control off if your an experienced enough to handle it that way. I get a little bit of tire slippage on a good launch but thats to be expected when your giving it just enough power for the tires to handle but still hook up.

@@xcoconutmonkeyx I don't do a lot of drag racing from a dig, most of my riding is in the twisties or on track, and there, its better with it left on. My first 20 or so bikes didn't have any electronics. A Ducati 1198 with 162hp and 92tq at the wheel is... lively... with no traction and that brutal Vtwin power delivery... Other literbikes I have owned had no rider aids... But my last dozen or so bikes have come with traction and ABS and quickshifters and things, and I really have grown fond of these systems...

@@SquireSCA It basically comes down to preference I like it turned off... sometimes i like to break loose the rear its not for everyone especially if you cant handle it but definitely launches better with it off... and fish tailing on gravel is fun...

Your motor is broken in before 100 miles. The 600 mile thing is from the 1970's... Not sure why corporate lawyers keep that stuff in the manual, it doesn't apply to today's bikes... Modern tolerances and machining, advances in lubrication, vastly improved metallurgy... Heck, some brands like Kawasaki put every new bike on the dyno and run it to redline before it leaves the factory... The motors are often less than 1 week old, with 0 miles on them, and they run the piss out of them to redline to make sure that the power output is within spec. If that doesn't blow it up, you aren't gonna either, unless you are a complete knob. haha Can't argue with your 2nd and 3rd points... But personally, I flashed my Speed Twin ECU while I was doing the paperwork with the dealer... It will only void the warranty if they can show that the flash caused whatever failure you took it in for. At least that's how it works in the US.

Thanks for the advice... Just bought my 2008 R3 monster today!

@@SquireSCA My 1.0 ecoboost Ford was very slow for the first 500 miles. Then it got notably faster. It’s weird. Maybe it was a software thing.

@@aapdddI’m betting your 1.0 ecoboost is dead now. They don’t last.

@@RadDadisRadIf not maintained to spec (wrong oil, rots belts, blocks oil ways).

Those other tables are for gears. They group some gears together, so that in 1-2 you can have a softer response, lets say... and then in gear 3 a more aggressive mapping, etc... Edit ETV3(1) to suit what you want, and when you save it, apply it to ALL the others.

Thanks for that, Yer that is what I did, Apply all:)@@SquireSCA

Not sure why... Hmmm... Normally works like a champ...

I typically don’t work on strangers bikes. Any time you flash an ecu there is always a tiny chance that something goes wrong. A business has insurance for that, I don’t. Haha. I am just providing the expertise and knowledge and help with the files, rather than you having to spend $250 to get someone else’s map and then do the work yourself anyway…

Apply to all available. That was probably just an oversight on my part when I was making the video. The individual gears are lumped into 4 groups, so you want the changes you made applied to all.

@@SquireSCA awesome thanks. So does that mean 5th and 6th gear just revert back to about 60% throttle?

@@bakerrj10 no it applies to all.

@@bakerrj10 it’s weird on the new bikes. It’s 4 groups now. Group one is neutral and first gear, group 2 is second, 3 might be third and fourth, etc…. Just check them all.

Based in the US, near Atlanta, GA

Hi Roy, are you happy with the results?

I am sure that it will but you need to turn off traction control

Yes, when you edit ETV(1) to remove restrictions, you want to apply that to ALL the other ETV1(x) tables so that the changes are made to all the gears.

@@SquireSCA Thank you for the reply.

@@SquireSCA one more question, since there is no gear 5 and 6, 4 applies to those as well then correct?

@@MBlankenhorn Yeah, they do some weird groupings and I don't know which gears are in what group, so I just apply the changes to all of them.

Yes. You can tune it if you need to, but the first step is just getting rid of all the restrictions they put in there.

@@SquireSCA But you need to get a map from somewhere. With tune ECU you can't download from the bike with an Bluetooth OBD2

@@angerman666 tuneecu has all the base maps available for download within the app.

What year, specific model, country and last 6 digits of the VIN?

@Dave's Man Cave 2020 Rocket 3 GT U.S Vin # 981527 Thanks for your help, my brother!

@@dougdileonardo7600 31013 is your base map.

@Dave's Man Cave Thank you so much ! How did you determine that with the serial number, it was a little confusing because serial numbers for maps were no were near mine ..

@@dougdileonardo7600 I've watched a few videos, and when you are looking at the maps.. there should be a pdf file at the bottom of the list that explains each map

That’s pretty awesome. I bet the bike feels much stronger. Definitely a big increase. That’s all you did was unrestrict the ecu?

where did you get your ECU from or where did you bring your bike to have the ECU fixed?

@@TheTyrone1981 All I did was apply a tune from a guy on a Rocket 3 forum with my own bluetooth OBD link. Aside from having to buy the OBD, it was free.

@@giantslug6969 yea I heard about those tunes. That’s awesome

Is it possible to make wheelie now with your new map?

I would always leave the TC on with that bike. No benefit to turning it off, and lots of benefits to keeping it on. And I agree, I think they released the bike with what they felt was "enough power" from a marketing perspective, and then held back the rest in the software...

@Shalin I don't have a Rocket. I just happened to look in the map tables and was amazed at how much they restricted it.

I can't imagine that a 12+ hour round trip to my place would be practical or worthwhile for you... haha It takes less than 20 minutes to do it. If you were local I would say sure, swing by... but honestly, its very easy to do. Put the bike on a battery charger, and pull the headlight fuse. Plug in the LX adapter, pair it to your phone, and connect to it with TuneECU. Open up the map you want to push(assuming its already edited and ready to go), and reprogram the ECU. Reset adaptives, fire it up and go ride it. If you need the map itself, you can follow my guide in the video, or I can do it for you and share the link to the map.

I will try that, I am just too scared to try that by myself so I thought it was easier to get her to you in a trailer. I don't really mind driving (love driving anyway) plus I know I will learn a few things with you 😊

Anyways what will be my correct map? 2023 Rocket, VIN# PTBK3382 (last 8 digits)

Dave, based on the info in the pdf. the available maps go up to AV, my last 6 starts with BK, do you think 2023 is not yet supported?

You have to download it from Tuneecu.fr and then install it, buy it, and you also need the bluetooth adapter to connect it to the bike's ECU

Which maps specifically... stock, and one of mine? If mine, are you looking a Sport mode? I tend to only unrestrict Sport mode, whichever ETV table that is on a given bike, and I leave the other modes alone...

Im talking about yours 31255 in sport mode which is at 100% vs the tuneecu TFC 31025 also in sport mode only at 76%

Because the TuneECU map is the stock map from Triumph, which is clearly NOT a full power map. It's heavily restricted. Or am I misunderstanding the question?

Take a look at map TFC 31025, the description says full power but only gives 76% power (it is not stock). Question is why do you think the developer didn’t go up to 100% in that “full power” map?

@@Rocket2500CC no idea. Could be a simple oversight. Full power needs 100% in those columns ..

You have to pair the phone to the BT first, so power up the BT by plugging it into the bike and turning on the ignition, then press the pairing button on the BT device. Go into your Android phone and Bluetooth settings and connect to it and pair it. Then go into TuneECU and select CPU and "Connect". And it does work on the new R3

@@SquireSCA Thanks for responding .the bike will let me into the ecu only when it is running .it let me into test&adjustments while it was running so I change the service interval numbers and date hit run then it asked to verify I hit that . It did not reset the wrench light. Without the bike running it will not let me into ecu at all . Could you help me please. My phone is a model z5156cc Android version 10 could this be the problem?

@@ronaldsmith2747 The bike doesn't have to be running, it just needs to be turned on. Its hard to troubleshoot when I am not there to see it. But you need to connect with it on and not running. Might take 30 seconds for the light to start flashing green, but it will.

@@SquireSCA If the bike is in the on position with phone paired I hit connect green light flashes several times several seconds later the green light will flash several more times then the light turns orange then it gives me ecu not responding error.(I know you are not supposed to have it running but that is the only way it will let me in the ecu)

@@ronaldsmith2747 Something isn't right. When you first conected, what type of CPU did you pick? Sagem, or Keihin?

When you get the TuneECU app from TuneECU.fr and get it installed, and then connected to the bike, let me know. At that point I will need a year, model, country and last 6 digits of the VIN to pull the right base map. I can do the edits and then post a link for you to download the new map. From there it is simple. Download the map to the Android device and save it. Open TuneECU, and then open the map in TuneECU. Then reprogram, then reset adaptives. It's pretty straight forward...

@@SquireSCA I have the LinkLX andhave downloaded TuneECU, bike is USA 2020 Rocket GT3 # T980626. Also as you mention I believe you said just adjust ev3 or Sport Mode, leaving Road and Rain alone (makes sense) what about rider mode? Isn't that the only mode that allows you to restrict traction control? Will this also help Rider Mode? thanks

@@awaterworld8760 Rider mode is slightly different. Rider just lets you pick which engine map, or to set your traction control differently, etc... But in Rider mode, when you pick the Sport engine map, that would be Sport or ETV3 if you want. I will double check it, but that's how these things normally work. I don't believe that your.bike has a track mode, does it? Normally you have Rain, Road and Sport, and those use those engine maps and they are tied to ABS and traction modes. Rode lets you basically "roll your own" by picking an ABS, Traction and Engine map of your choosing, and out them together into Rider Mode.

@@SquireSCA Thanks, are you going to send me correct map? and so you are saying when uploaded, Sport mode will have 100% throttle, and when in Rider Mode an disable TC, what am I selecting for 100% throttle? map? ->Sport? thanks

@@awaterworld8760 First of all, don't disable traction control on that bike. Unless you are sitting there trying to do burnouts, leave it on. The bike is faster and safer with it on. You know how every fail video shows Ford Mustangs flying sideways through a crowd? That's because they turn the traction control off. lol What country are you and what specific model bike do you have?

Ask her if her tune, is actually a dyno made TUNE. I won't open that entire can of worms here, but I made a video about DNK and have now talked to DOZENS of people who have had similar experiences... If she made the tune on a dyno, that's one thing. But ask the question and get it in writing from them(email), exactly what goes into their "tune"... If its just a de-restricting and dumping 10% fuel in there to richen things up a tad, then you can do that yourself for free. There are a lot of red flags with DNK. They don't answer detailed questions, they don't post dyno charts on their website with the tunes, and I have looked at several of the tunes that people bought from her and she doesn't disable the O2 sensors, which means that if she tuned the bike, she has to know that leaving the O2 active will have the ECU try to lean things back out... If she knows that, then she isn't tuning the closed loop part of the map, and if she doesn't know that, that's another red flag, because even an amateur tuner should know that. Many people do like her tunes, but I don't know how many have actually tossed them on a dyno to check them, and how much is placebo... Your mileage may vary...

@@flashgordon1212 I wanted to say that, without coming out and saying it... haha

@@SquireSCA yea I’ve heard her customer service was crap and she was an asshole but the tunes were ok. Not sure. I just went back through my emails to her. She said and I quote “ we have tuned fully stock rocket 3s To over 180hp to the tire. The only surprising fact is that an aftermarket muffler doesn’t make much difference in performance. It’s mostly for sound.” Her message back to me when I first inquired a couple months ago. The Bren tune feels decent but I don’t feel like it’s a huge difference. I may just keep it and live with it. It’s not bad at all. I guess I just had more expectations for it. It’s a strong bike in stock form but hearing a possible 30 hp increase from a tune is always fun to experience lol

Most of those gains come from derestricting the bike like in my video. It probably would also benefit from a few degrees of ignition advance, but at that point, the bike makes such stupid power, I would just derestrict it for free and call it a day...

@@SquireSCA I hear that. I appreciate it

I wish I knew someone up there to point you to!

Its been on the market for 10+ years.

TuneECU.fr

Yes, apply it to that. Apparently I was too busy talking and didn't click them, but yes, you want to apply it to all. I will see if I can edit the video and put a disclaimer over that part, to clarify...

@@SquireSCA I’m still learning even though I have been using it 10 years. I have yet to find an actual manual does it exist?

I don’t know why there are etv(1-4) is it the bottom 4 gears?

@@TTSPerformance They started grouping gears. So (1) covers Neutral and 1st, (2) covers 2nd and maybe 3rd, etc... I just know that checking all boxes applies it to all gears.

@@SquireSCA that’s what I thought

You need an Android tablet or phone, the TuneECU app from TuneECU.fr and a bluetooth adapter: amzn.to/3qs3nlX

I wish! No, just doing the lords work and helping the triumph community, is all…

@@SquireSCA ..I got excited... The Beast has always been a fascinating bike to me, especially since the update. I've seen plenty of reviews on the R3...but from nobody that would ride it like you would ride it.... 😎

Yeah, the Diavel doesn't have the torque, but it does make about the same HP and it is lighter... so the Tq on the Rocket pulls ahead, but once the Diavel gets rolling it passes it. If the Rocket is unrestricted, then I don't know, maybe it gets back out ahead?

@@SquireSCA I doubt that but it would stay ahead much longer. Almost every race I've seen, the R3 is ahead for about the length of a bike and a half then the Diavel quickly overtakes it because of the absolute bog down in the throttle table around 3k RPM and it also not picking up much after. Where the Diavel seems to lack that bogging down.

@@giantslug6969 My wife had the first gen Diavel and it was deceptively fast.

@@SquireSCA Oh I know, I test rode an xDiavel before deciding on getting the Rocket 3. The Ducati tax turned me off, in the end.

@@giantslug6969 yup Ducati likes to keep collecting after you have bought the bike. I also chose the Rocket 3r for that reason to and because it has the biggest motor in production. I also ride a BUSA and ZX14r so my desire to make this bike faster is over. After paying the price for my 2022 Rocket 3r limited Black edition I'll keep it stock. I only added the werkes exhaust all black to match.

Its just how they set it up, When I remapped my Speed Twin 1200, I did more aggressive than stock below 20% throttle, and then it was a straight 1:1 ratio like you describe all the way to 100%. I found that to be a more linear and natural feeling throttle...

@@SquireSCA I have R3GR. In normal riding conditions I don't need more power (ok, sometimes yes, but after few years of riding you will have this feeling also in F1), but when I tested the top speed I felt that at the end the motor lost breath even wanted go quicker and further. What I don't understand is the decrease of power in riding mode between 2000 and 4500 rpm but specially between 2500 and 3500 rpm at more than 66% throttle opening (3:18). Why? Didn't you try to straighten this as well?

No, it still works. You can download the file to your Android device and open it with TuneECU. It's only a sample file, as your bike may be from another year or region...

On these bikes, you can. It's all done in software now, making it an easy mod.

What mods have you done? And what model is it, specifically? I need to make sure I pull the right base map, so I also need the last 6 digits of the VIN

Bone stock. 2021 Rocket 3 R (Limited Edition Black) AG9027

@@jscootermcfly Ok, start with this. Sport mode is completely unrestricted. The bottom end is a little more aggressive, but as you get above 25% throttle it does to a 1:1 ratio... If you twist it to 47%, you get 47%... When you twist it to 100%, you get it all. This is only the case in sport mode, Rain and Road are untouched. I also lowered the temp the cooling fan comes on, reset the AFR targets to 13.50 and added a small amount of fuel in the typical lean areas... Wide open throttle in Sport mode should be a good bit more lively. Flash the map, reset adaptives, let it warm up and the idle will come down and settle in, and then go for a ride in SPORT mode and reply back with how it responds? drive.google.com/file/d/1_rXyT5o00aqdgjMMgikiQIWf_lOZpwGN/view?usp=sharing

Disregard email request! I found it!!!! Thank you.

Finally got the right OBD2 dongle…hope to remap this weekend. I believe I understand the process and successfully connected to my bike. Is there a good video or instruction source to walk me through full process? Can I download load the factory map for a reload if needed?

If there is more power sitting there with a few clicks of a mouse, why not?

And it has more torque than any other bike, not more horsepower. Plenty of bikes with more hp.

I am sure some people do. If I get caught out in the rain on my ZX14R, you can be sure that I drop it to low power mode and more traction control. In my case, low power mode is "only" 150hp... lol

People riding in the rain l would have thought..the clue is in the title.....rain mode!😂😂😂

As always, use your best judgement. I tuned my 2022 Speed Twin, exhaust and all sorts of mods... and I had a piston fly apart and had to have the entire top end replaced under warranty... Pistons, head, cylinders, valves, etc... All covered 100%

Yeah, although I would want to see a rematch with a Rocket 3 that has had all those limiters removed.

The Ducati Diavel is only half a length ahead of the Triumph Rocket by a quarter of a mile. Rickey Gadson manages 10.56 seconds on the factory Rocket with just one damper adjustment. The Rocket's engine is highly restricted, because Triumph's engineers know that if they build a killer bike, no one will buy it.

@@motoflash6591 I don't think it will be more dangerous than the M109R Suzuki Boulevard, which is a great motorcycle.

It's a numbers perspective. They managed the torque because this beast would brake the bike at low gears. I owned a Road Star Warrior and many times the engine brake was very strong. Carpenter Racing modified some 2.200 cc models and esasy put 220 cv in rear wheel.

Just by a hair though, and only because of the factory restrictions of the Rocket. It takes minutes to unleash the full power.

What are you looking to do? Just a stock bike but remove the throttle restrictions from Sport moe?

Dude, the Penner map unrestricted it, and that is why you are getting a whopping 20-25hp increase. So yes, the bike comes very restricted in stock form. You can unrestricted it yourself, or use the Penner map to do it for you.

@@SquireSCA Well, Doesnt heavily restricted means you get 50-80bhp gain after unrestriction?

@@imcool00011 No. Where did you come up with that number? lol In today's world, a 25hp in power at the wheel, is a massive increase, especially when its largely just done in software without any real tuning.