Niall Ferguson | Communism and Fascism: Bedfellows |  

Forcing your side at gunpoint is also tyranny. Ideologies and governments born of Marx will not proliferate except at the point of A gun. Fascism, or in our modern context "Cronyism" can stand on it's own if the middle and lower class perceive and receive some benefit. Produce your quota or get shot................. not so much, not at all really. Marxism's various shades will always fail because they deny human nature and disregard incentives. Fascism will fail because of nepotism and the insular "In Group" fail to read where the "Red Line" is.

@@kimberlykay130 I made an academic observation. You know nothing about my worldview or the work I've done over the years, which ranges from refugee camps to community paramedicine. You did prove my point, however..

@@kimberlykay130 The common individual has no rights. They exist to serve the bourgeoise. Glory to the bourgeoisie!

Underrated comment. The crucial element is culture. Not trash culture or even provincial culture but great culture.

Yeah, Fox, that's right wing populist mainstream MSM ghetto he belongs in.

The mob that vilifies doesn't respect nor practice "discussion."

Well, he likes the idea of himself as being one of an oppressed white, sensible conservative minority.

yeah, then the west invented extermination camps ;)

Two liars lying about communism and fascism is not "frank and honest discussion". You can't destroy something that doesn't exist.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c0lmXa48K38.html Hum hum...

Right because international v nationalism, egalitarianism v hierarchy, multicultural v homogeneity, feminism v masculinity, etc are all the same thing. Listen to yourself.

@@MartinMartinm You both are confused. OP is still thinking in the erroneously oversimplistic left-right dichotomy while you're conflating radically distinct axes of the descriptive continua. The relevant axes are individualism-collectivism and liberal-authoritarian.

@@agaperion no, I'm comparing some of the fundamental differences between both ideologies. They are polar opposites in most ways. Why can't people understand what the political compass is without creating their own version of it?

@@MartinMartinm Because the 2-axis political compass is oversimplistic (only 2 variables). The fact that so many people constantly have to modify or ignore it indicates that it's an inadequate model for the phenomenon in question.

@@agaperion the political compass isn't a 2 axis compass? It's generally modified through political bias. People trying to lump as political ideologies as the same while their's is the superior.

Not a coincidence that it is the far left who are calling it far right. Everyone automatically thinks of fascism as the worst thing possible when communism should be thought of in the same way and this is due to left wing propaganda

Nazism is national socialism. They persecuted fascists. Nazis and fascists are not the same thing, they just allied to try and defeat liberalism and Marxism.

This was one of the main points of Hannah Arendt.

Communism and fascism are based on hate. That's why they don't allow positive things to be said. Communists hate, based on class. Fascists hate, based on race. Any talk of nuance is anathema to them, for it takes away from their central narrative in support of their attempt to project their hate of other races and classes. Communism is more subtle, it hides hate behind academic words. Fascism is more frontal, it says what it intends to hate.

Horseshoe theory has been debunked

especially when the policy is of 'come one come all' no matter what

That's one of the most eloquent definitions of racism hidden under the self righteous façade of western Imperialism I've ever read.... Thank you. Eminent Australian politicians like Jon Anderson are such pernicious advocates of that level of racial profiling, having had ample experience enslaving their aboriginal populations and other minorities in Australias' dark history of slavery.

@@MarcGoudreau or some hard truths...anyway, it's more 'culturism'...the police/citizen ratio of a country also tells a story

@@MarcGoudreau While your PC leftist bigot's mantra is merely a bog-standard snippet of fact-free, quasi-religious trash masquerading vacuously as an intelligent comment

@@MarcGoudreau Thanks! For the avoidance of doubt, when I write of the loss of cultural self determination I don’t merely write of nativist European sentiment but also minority non European ethnic groups which ultimately have the choice of integration, isolation or antagonism, none of which are especially palatable.

Australia is not free

There's little theoretical difference either

ME NEITHER

Right because francos Spain was the same as bolshevik Russia?

would you perhaps prefer to live in a concentration camp in British Kenya?

Who funds fascists? And what exactly are ''conservative'' conserving?

@@MartinMartinm Conserve what works and fix that which is broken. An overly simplistic definition but that's the general gist as I see it. The alternate is to fix that which doesn't need fixing.

@@toby9999 when are they going to start the fixing part?

@@MartinMartinm they are always fixing the destruction the left leave behind when their regimes inevitably fail

@@jellymulder Left spends loads of money a lot of misdirected, wheels come off and the right has to re-stablise things

Is it cowardice or wisdom? What's the benefit to "throw your pearls before the swine?"

@@diannemcbeth7428 Please explain how they may have been wise.

his crime: indulging in restricted thinking!

Russian population in the Romanov dynasty certainly was resource starved

Last time I checked it was marxist and capitalist working together. They've worked together in the past in ww2, and they work together nowadays to demoralised people.

@@MartinMartinm hey Marxist, you are soooo smart? Ha ha ha ha , did you graduate from elementary school ? Genius

@@dimakhidarkovskiy2175 refute me. I dare you.

@@MartinMartinm you ain’t worth my time, but on that note thankyou, I was wondering if idiots read my posts. Когда ты бы вырос в марксизме ты бы меня понял благословит бог СССР

@@dimakhidarkovskiy2175 in other words, you're a coward that knows they will get found out.

So more labels.

They're both extremes on the same side of the coin.

Honestly, I wouldn't. Read Grimm's 'The Mouse, the Bird and the Sausage'. 😉

Explain yourself, please.

@@moptopbaku6022 He likes the accent.

young man, you do not know what is neither fascism nor socialism - go and study original authors of both conceptions rather repeating words of engaged authorities

Exactly

I think it's called the horseshoe theory.

Your friend was telling you lies.

@@MartinMartinm ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rZh01xRO_Qg.html Karl Marx is a racist anti-Semite who wrote the book "On the Jewish Question" and National Socialism delivered the "Final Solution" for Marx's the Jewish Question. Karl Marx was advocating for racial socialism. *Both envious very big government ideologies come from envious Germany* . Both Marxists and Nazis have the doctrine of envy and socialism for their favorite group of people against an undesired group of people.

@@valenrn8657 ''national socialism delivered the final soultion for Marx's jewish question''? Where exactly did Marx claim he wanted the genocide of jews? Keep in mind that he was ethnically jewish himself. Comparing communists and national socialists as the same thing just shows how misinformed people are.

@@MartinMartinm >Where exactly did Marx claim he wanted the genocide of jews? Marx advocated "racist" wealth transfers against the Jews. Genocide is mass stealing against another person's right to life. >Keep in mind that he was ethnically jewish himself. You didn't factor in the contents of character regardless of ethnic or "racial" group. In terms of DNA, most European Jews are mostly European who adopted a certain idealogy from the Middle East. >Comparing communists and national socialists as the same thing just shows how misinformed people are. It's Communist propaganda to separate National Socialism away from Marxist Communism when both ideologies are very big government interventionist.

Is it?

Very interesting to hear that from someone with an Indian name . Is it a common view among Indian people ?

@@michaelhussey440 No, it is not, unfortunately. There is a strange narrative currently cultivated in India. But, I guess senses will prevail. Preserve your culture. It is precious. We humans are all equal for sure, but not all cultures are equal.

THANK YOU FOR YOU HONEST COMMENT I agree with every word thanks

"not all cultures are equal" this video is also about you my friend ;) but since you prefer the net benefit of living in a famine-instigating police state, one cant be really surprised....

Didn't capitalist country didn't have a red flag poor example

Best example is both have dictators

A little bit! He's completely up his white conservative privileged middle class a**e.

Its a non-issue and they didn't even go around stopping it.

@@aachoocrony5754 I perceive you have both feet firmly planted in mid-air. I bet you have rainbow hair color.

@@pg618 You don't perceive things very well in general. Ok bye.

@@aachoocrony5754 Tell me your age, how many languages do you speak, and how many countries have you visited and how many countries have you lived in? I hope a 1000 people are watching and that you won't answer.

@@pg618 lol whats the point of your questions?

There is a Lenin statue in Portland...

"Privileged" - the latest meaningless slander term used by losers everywhere

Would that be better or worse than indulging in ad hominem attacks posing as argument?

And name- calling is "the best"?

By keeping score, a lot of people would have to admit that capitalism is better in comparison to the only other viable options given

@@smorre4004 yeah, Belgian gum companies run really "high score" capitalism in Congo...

@@cyrilmrazek6649 What happened to Congo was mostly the fault of Belgian monarchism. Bad private companies certainly exist (especially when they are joined to the hip with the government) but the USSR alone killed ~60 million of its own people. Mao Killed ~40 million. Free-market capitalism (where the markets are free and not enslaved) is still better in comparison

@@smorre4004 "where the markets are free and not enslaved", well what about communism, which is free and not enslaved? You are basically using the "but it wasn't real capitalism/communism" argument, but you're a total hypocrite about it...

@@cyrilmrazek6649 communism is the antithesis to privacy and individual liberty. A totalitarian state is required to uphold the ban of private property. Which is exactly what happened in Lenin's Soviet Union after he came to power.

Its all the same. Same historical roots, same means, and ironically the same ends which they purport to fight against-totalitarianism. For Mussolini fascism is corporatism. He was a socialist/communist and lifelong admirer of Lenin. The only difference was he saw war as the means to his end so he branched off to fsscism. The Liberals manipulate/weaponize both.

@@aachoocrony5754 ''it's all the same'' laughable. Thomas sowell was a marxist in his 20's, does this make him a communist too?

@@MartinMartinm So Thomas Sowell was a Marxist and then he wasn't. So your argument is laughable? I guess? Who's laughing?

@@aachoocrony5754 it's laughable how you generalise every as ''the same thing''. People's views change with time and more knowledge, but not according to you. If you support communism at a young age, then you're a communist for life is what you're claiming.

@@MartinMartinm nah you're just putting words in my mouth. You should read what I first wrote about Mussolini etc. Those aren't generalizations but you could take generalizations from it-look at the bigger picture. You're welcome.

@Dave... : Hear, hear.

The Frankfurt school thought that Maoism would save the communist project from "buerocratic socialism" and bring about a true socialist democracy... In 1969... After Mao had already killed tens of millions of his own people, and so severely damaged the ecology of China through arbitrary extermination of keystone species, diverting of water sources, and deforestation that 57% of China has undergone desertification. The kindest description that could be given of them is that they were romantic idiots... The fact that many of the Frankfurt school were ethnically Jewish is irrelevant, as Jews were and are overrepresented in every academic field due to a cultural prioritization on education, and one could make the same observation about Nobel Prize winning chemists, and even the polar opposite of socialism in the Vienna school of economics. Speaking as a Jew myself, ethnically jewish communist theorists barely qualify as Jewish at all, as they generally disdain and denigrate the culture, history, and religion of the Jewish people. Which makes sense, given that Karl Marx was raised Lutheran and internalized that church's anti-Semitic tendencies, and was also a malignant narcissistic who spent most of his life living off of handouts from his more successful relatives and was immensely resentful of them.

@@Kieselmeister Please name some of the members of the Frankfurt School who were Maoist. I was not aware of that so, please, educate me.

@@johnnydawson7675 "In Vietnam, in Cuba, in China, a revolution is being defended and driven forward which struggles to eschew the bureaucratic administration of socialism" - an essay on liberation, Herbert marcuse, 1969

@@Kieselmeister I heard Marcuse speak at UCSD in 1972. A marvelous thinker.

@@johnnydawson7675 The problem is that all of Marcuse's thought was within the logical context, the epistemology, of the Hegelian dialectical method. (Marx being a "young Hegelian" with a doctorate in Hegelian philosophy) The epistemology of the Dialectical method is INTERNALLY consistent, but it is very much NOT consistent with observable reality, and is inherently anti-empirical. Which is not particularly surprising, as it was originally developed because Hegel was unsatisfied by the fact that empiricism cannot answer metaphysical questions, and by the fact that empiricism is not "pure" logic, as it is built on a priori assumptions which are external to the individual. (IE, The universe exists independently of individual people, we are all inhabiting the same universe, the laws of the universe are consistent over time such that they can be demonstrated to other people through experimentation.) The specific problem with Hegel's "pure" logic is that, because it functions based entirely upon individual thought, that means that A. It is entirely possible for different individuals to come to completely different conclusions and both be "logically correct", and B. That all statements produced by the Hegelian dialectical method are inherently not statements of objective demonstrable fact, but rather statements of subjective individual belief. (IE. If your existing beliefs are treated as a priori fact, the dialectic synthesizes them into a coherent framework, even if they are mutually contradictory.) One could be the most "marvelous thinker" that has ever lived, and develop the most beautifully perfect theoretical system to explain the world, and still be observably factually incorrect if you have built your thought on a foundational epistemological framework of sand. The public writings of Herbert Marcuse, no matter how beautiful or inspiring, are ultimately statements about the logical implications of Herbert Marcuse's a priori assumptions and beliefs, and the only connection they have to objective reality is the fact that Marcuse objectively existed to make statements. Marcuse based his thought on fewer objectively incorrect assumptions than Marx did, but he was quite ignorant about the physical sciences, and especially biology, and he had a fixation on the works of Sigmund Freud despite the fact that the majority of Freud's conclusions had been empirically disproven decades earlier. Ultimately the core requirement for the utopia he envisioned to exist, was the creation of Marx's "socialized man", and fact of the matter is that the concept of "socialized man" is inherently inimical to the biological reality of all species. Marcuse's theories are ultimately the sociological equivalent of Lysenko's theories about botany. And attempting to actually implement them in society is likely to end about as well as when Lysenko's theories about "socialized" plants were implemented in the Soviet Union and People's Republic of China. (IE millions of lives ended, and millions more stunted and ruined.)

Why? BTW, the sickle and the swastika are both symbols of the murderous repression of millions of people.

@@diannemcbeth7428 The sickle is older than fascism or communism it is an Eastern European and Scandinavian magical symbol of late summer/ autumn harvest time so it became a time symbol in western Europe its the grim reapers scythe and signifies time not death as in pop culture.

Theodore McCarthy :: Your last comment is too absurd to address in any deal. So, I simply ask you ::: How do you expect any Historian to avoid the topic of race-based Slavery in the United States just because it's "touchy" ? You may as well leave out the Slavery of Ancient Rome and The Colosseum.

@@cliffgaither I would expect historians to address the topic of race based slavery in the US the same way they should address any sensitive issue: with sensitivity. I.e. I would expect serious thought and careful words, not cliché ideological bromides like “slavery is certainly a blot on the history of the US”. This is especially the case for historians, like Ferguson, who claim to be struggling against political correctness and cancel culture. Such a historian should be able to apply the simple litmus test of “do my words sound like something my unreasonable enemies would say?” If so, then they should reconsider their words, and their positions.

both EVIL MONSTERS

That’s too bad to not listen to someone for 10 min but just write them off. That’s going on at universities. Not listening to different views. It’s not the academic way.

Many confuse racism with nationalism and as you said, many confuse fascism with Nazism.

I gave up on the BS at about the same time. Mate, you're the closest to reality of all the ignorant comments I have read. Watch the doco: Europa, the Last Battle.

I understand the point re. basal Fascist theory but let’s not kid ourselves - neofascism is invariably a primarily nativist/racial identitarian movement.

What is the difference between an 'economical class' and a 'class'?

He was so anti semitic that a jew*sh couple gave them the blueprints for nuclear weapons.

Are you familiar with the Doctor's Plot? Do some research before claiming that Stalin was never an antisemite.

Stalin was jewish

@@doomedt-62 you are talking through your hat. None of stalin's agendas were specifically anti semitic or targeted jews. Stalin was a paranoid man and he targeted 'anyone' that thought he was a threat. There has been a lot of research done on whether the Soviet union was anti semitic or not and there is zero evidence of them ever been. The complete is opposite is true, which I've highlighted in a previous comment about the Rosenberg. Ask yourself this, is communism is so anti semitic then why are they still in support of it today?

@@MartinMartinm you choose to ignore history. Very well, I'll explain the Doctor's Plot more in depth. Four large camps were built in southern and western Siberia shortly before Stalin's death in 1953 for the Jews. A special "Deportation Commission" to plan the deportation of Jews to these camps was created. Nikolay Poliakov, the secretary of the "Commission", stated years later that, according to Stalin's initial plan, the deportation was to begin in the middle of February 1953, but the monumental tasks of compiling lists of Jews had not yet been completed. "Pure blooded" Jews were to be deported first, followed by "half-breeds" (polukrovki). Former CPSU Politburo member Nikolai Bulganin said that Stalin asked him in the end of February 1953 to prepare railroad cars for the mass deportation of Jews to Siberia. You have no evidence to suggest that this antisemitism was fabricated in any way.