Interesting take comparing the NXS 2.5-10 to the NX8 1-8. I’ve had both scopes, and I honestly prefer the NX8 to the NXS for the reasons you mentioned. Having FFP and the ability to have basically red dot performance on 1x really sets it apart. I love the NX8. I don’t find the “issues” people complain about that bothersome. The only thing is I think the 1x performance could be better. I tell people that 2x-8x is really where the NX8 shines.
Very helpful. You calling the razor 1-6 a bigger reddot-mag and the nx8 1-8 a precision scope that can come down to 1x makes me realize how much i can really squeeze out of my pst 1-6
Why would you want a SFP on a variable optic? I want my holds to be accurate at any power.. if I’m running at 4x and engaging at 500 yds, I don’t want to have to think about the hold.. it should be the same line as at 8x but with SFP it isn’t… I don’t understand why you’d want a SFP.
@Joseph Harmon if you've ever hunted you'll know FFP sucks for it. If your battery dies you're left with an almost unusable 1 power ffp reticle that will get lost on any target besides a nice white piece of steel or fresh target paper. So with a SFP scope your reticle size does not shift which makes finding your reticle much easier. And any rifles I put lpvo's on I know my holds out to 500 yards. I don't need a reticle to keep track of those holds the whole time. And if I'm shooting 600+ yards I'll be zoomed in to 6 power (or whatever other max magnification anyway) Second focal plane 1-6 is superior to a sfp 1-8, or a 1-10 FFP scope every day until Sunday unless you're literally shooting long range PRS matches with known target distances and locations. Bolt action target rifle shooting to 1000+ yards? FFP all day. AR plinking to 400-600 yards, hunting, or for defensive purpose? Sfp all day every day. By the time you're shooting 600+ yards you'll be on 6 power (which is far less shaky than 8 or 10 power) and you'll have all your holds anyways since you're at max power. 1-6 sfp is king. Don't believe me, learn your holds and give it a shot.
@@Swooper.x96because if you’re engaging at 500 yards you’re probably at max mag. Anything less than that and youre probably shooting much closer and needing less precision. Plus you lose the size of the reticle for 1x
Just sold a NX8 and picked up a Steiner T6Xi in 2.5x15. The NX8 eye box was a real killer for me, especially when you're forced to shoot a stage off-hand and you get lost fishing for your reticle a bit more.
@AmericanAdlerauge1775 I had the T6Xi and had to go through sending the optic 3 times for warranty before being even taken to the range. I could see scratches and debris inside the optic that looked terrible. I sold it and got the NX8 2.5-20
I currently have a vortex strike eagle 1-8x24 that I got a year ago as an introduction to lpvos. But I have been eyeing the NX8 to upgrade my setup, also mainly for better glass and also being ffp compared to the vortex sfp. I already have a geissle 30mm mount too
These are great videos. I’m still deciding between the ATACR 1-8, the Vortex 1-10, and the NX8 for my 14.5 LWRC SPR. I like the weight and size of the NX8, and the smooth throw lever really seems appealing. What do you think is the most important consideration when choosing between those three optics? What’s the biggest benefit of each of those?
I place reticle, adjustment size (.1 vs .2mil), and glass at the top. With that the ATACR is a clear winner. NX8 vs the Razor 1-10x can go back and forth because I just don't think the Razor's reticle is as good as the FC-DMX.
You had any time behind the plx-c from primary? Both have similar reticles in regards to the mil grid. Considering either or and leaning towards the primary bc of the price $1050 and I'll be running a offset dot so daylight bright 1x isn't a requirement.
No experience with that optic. If you're going to use the offset red dot for everything 1x I'd look to going to more glass. Why make the compromises for a 1x capability if you'll never use it?
This video is a year old but I'm looking for a lightweight compact lpvo option for the tactical games and eyeing the NX8. We shoot ARs anywhere from 25 yards out to about 300 yards (sometimes further). I have both the razor 1-6 and 1-10 and they're both tanks. It seems like the dmx center dot is a little better/finer than the 1-10 in the razor. Any thoughts on trying out the NX8 for something like the tactical games? I've just always heard complaints about eye box but have never personally looked through one.
Of those three optics I would choose the NF NX8 over the two Razors. Smaller, lighter, better reticle than the others. I don't have an issue with the eyebox, neither due the world class shooters I shoot with. I also don't expect to be able to float my head behind an optic at max magnification. From what I see of the tactical games, the shooting is pretty straightforward and precision oriented; I think the reticle, focal plane, and magnification range of the NX8 make it well suited for that role.
@@AmericanAdlerauge1775 Thanks for the reply! After tons of research I just got my NX8 with the DMX reticle today. 😁I pretty much concur with all you said above. I haven't mounted it yet but plan to put it in a Scalarworks 1.57. Any thoughts on a Badger 1.70 mount or another 1.7? I've heard people having good performance with a taller mount with the NX8 and also hear great things about the 1.7. I'm 5' 9" and the 1.57 seems to work fine for me but I've never had anything taller. I do have a 1.50 and feel that's too low. Again, thanks for the reply!
@@ckkevin9620 I lean towards a 1.54 mount (the traditional AR height) but a 1.70 works very well too. Having a tighter cheekweld helps with magnified optics, especially at max magnification but a 1.70 isn’t too high in my experience.
Dead on, everyone should know the role that their optic fits in their system. LPVOs are so compromised to get that 1x magnification, if you don't need it you need to recalibrate what you are doing. Probably the exact reason why there is a trend of people exclaiming LPVOs suck and that prisms and medium-power optics with offsets are the way to go, they don't understand the why.
Between the razor and nx8, which would you say has the edge on durability? Ever had to use the vortex warranty? You have a lot of good looking glass/rigs man
I’d say durability is a toss up. Never had to use the vortex warranty; only optics I’ve had to get repaired/replaced were RMR’s and Aimpoint T1s that were mounted on pistols and EOTechs that had issues.
Reach out to Vortex, I spoke with those guys and also heard their warranty is amazing, lifetime warranty, read some reddit comments as well saying one dudes rifle fell from a hunters perch and broke the optic. Vortex replaced it no problem.
I sent a razor 1-6 back numerous times because the illumination turret design is extremely bad. Probably 3-4 times I sent it back for the same thing, they even sent new ones back. Would just not work on certain brightnesses. And when it was locked in I could still touch the knob and it'd flicker. Or flicker under recoil. Or just not work. Mechanically other than that they're solid, but that's inexcusable. Done with them.
@@pescad0 wow man I’ve heard of the fiber led splitting from the reticle but never that one sorry you’ve had bad luck there. Fingers crossed mines been doing good for the past year. What’d you end up going for instead?
I’m probably gonna sell my vortex 1-10 and go back to a NX8. The tight eye box is actually a feature if you care about parallax, and the size and weight is obviously a factor
Yes. The commentary about eyebox on max power is always…interesting. If you’re in a situation that requires magnification cranked to 8x or 10x you probably should not be sending rounds out with your face half off the stock expecting to get a good result.
I have both the older and the newer 1-8 NX8's and I feel the same way. The eyebox has never bothered me and both the eyebox and the slight illumination flicker when your not lined up all the way were tools I use to correct for parallax. Shooting accurately out to distance requires a stable shooting position and fundamentals anyway, especially on the AR platform. I frequently shoot everything from up close run and gun and out to 800 with these on both 5.56 and 6.5 Creedmoor.
@@andyackley1985 proper shooting technique is totally lost because all anyone cares about anymore is ringing steel at 25 yards behind a VTAC board. Probably the best current optic setup is a NX8 with a 12 o’clock RMR
I've had nearly every LPVO of quality for the last 2 decades and unfortunately I thought the NX8 was terrible and Nightforces worst scope to date. I bought a second one just to see and the same. Contacted NF and we discussed some things, then bought the ATACR of which I had on active duty as well and didn't care for it much more, but it was better. NX8 just under delivered for what it said it was and potential. So many other LPVOs 1/2 or 1/4 of the price. Price doesn't matter to me if I am getting what I want, however the NX8 just doesn't cut it. Most like it or hate it, not much in between after one has used it for some time.
@dindjarin290 The drawback to it all is those are things required to shoot an LPVO well. Can you either way? Yes. But start moving and transitioning and see how hard it is compared to most others. It's understandable with a regular scope or a 2.5-10 etc, but when shooting a LPVO the way its designed, that 1X has to be great and it simply isn't. I get it FFP yes and as discussed with NF they did say it was something they thought about pursuing a SFP option. The 8x as well as 10x LPVOs have sacrifices and you need to decides if that's OK with you and your type of shooting. IMO if it's LPVO, no need more then 6X and the quality LPVOS in 6X do well, but nearly every 8x and 10x suffer significantly at something as they are trying to make it something it isnt.
Out of all the LPVO's you've gone through which were some of the options you would recommend? Ive been looking a the primary arms compact plx 1-8x, sig tango 6t 1-6x, razor gen ii e 1-6x, trijicon accupoint, credo etc.
How useable would you say the 1x is on the nx8 on a scale from 1-10? I can’t decide between it or the razor gen 2e. I like ffp, weight, and extra mag, but don’t want to have to piggy back something for 1x. Either way I enjoyed the video
You don't need to have an RDS for 1x if you have an NX8. The FFP, magnification, and size all work against having the best 1x ever. If your top priority is 1x performance get the Razor 1-6x.
There is no zero stop (I don’t know of any capped turret, LPVO that has that). Yes, you can zero out the turrets once you zero. It’s one or two screws and the optic comes with the tool.
What about atacr va razor 1-10… I have a razor 1-6 on one of my 11.5s and I like it a lot but I’m looking for an option with a better reticle for mid range for a 14.5” kinda between those two
That is the one I purchased lastnight - [Super Precision Scope Mount 34mm (SCHMIDT & BENDER 3-27) - Black]. I spoke with a geissele rep and they said it should work since it’s a 34mm tube. Only thing is it would change the height over bore from 1.54” to 1.6ish”. Your thoughts?
How is the eye relief for the Nx8? In compared to the others? I have no experience with the NX8 1-8, I have heard the eye relief is shorter than other options. Not sure if that is true though.
Eye relief is slightly shorter than the 34mm options and significantly shorter than the Razor 1-6x; this really doesn’t matter but it does let you use traditional rings if that’s all you have. Eyebox is the big complaint; it will never be as broad as a SFP optic and never as broad as a red dot.
One thing on the NF side is the value holding. I wouldn’t like to spend 1000 or 2000 for ANY premium items and see it on sell or on ebay exmp. 500$ down below msrp or so. I hunted for a year for deals on Vudu Trijicons Razors and few others and I found that I will spent more than I thought for brand ,reliability, quality proven and as good investment.
For an Ivan out to 250 I’d go Razor 1-6x; the majority of that range is close and doesn’t require a hold so I’m leaning into the 1x performance knowing I’ll just hold the target between the center and 1 mil line at 200-250.
@@flooid5506 I don’t think it’s the most atrocious eye box ever like most of the internet. Most people need to correctly mount and adjust the ocular end of that optic before they complain.
@@AmericanAdlerauge1775 It would be used on a tavor x95 more for medium range with close range being ability still being necessary although not the main focus. Durability, optics clarity and good eyebox/eye relief is also one of my desired requirements. Hard to really get a good idea between the options
@@AmericanAdlerauge1775 my experience with anything over 6x turns into quite a mess when it comes to clarity, chromatic aberration etc. although ive only ever tried entry level optics
I’d give the Razor Gen III 1-10x a shot for that if you want to bias towards closer targets and the NightForce 4-16x if you’re biased for longer (600-800).
for the price you pay, you should expect clarity from 1-8, but you only get clarity upto about 5.5x. At 6x, it starts to degrade, and unusable at 8. I should just stick with my Steiners.
I’m lost on why you have your red dot in front of your turret. You can’t dial if your dot is blocking turrets even if you claim you use hold over what happens when your point of aim shifts due to screws loosing, ammo selection, or adding a suppressor? You’ll always need to confirm and change zero. This seems like rookie mistake. You should think about moving your dot to your front ring
@@AmericanAdlerauge1775 Not currently, chose the PLX-C as I prefer the ACSS Griffin reticle. They are similar but different. But I can certainly say the PLX-C is in no way worse. Better 1x on the PLX-C
