Great to hear your thoughts on this shoe Tim. This does sound like it could be the best nike trail shoe so far but it doesn't sound too amazing. I will be in the look out for a full time trail runners review. They do look awesome in terms of style though. Great video as always Tim! 😎🤘
Yeah I have to admit I am not anywhere near your league as a trail specialist as it were. Right now the underfoot conditions are quite rare for us in the UK with not a drop of mud to be seen so obviously going to be hard for anybody to usefully comment there unless they got sent them ahead of time as it were. I suspect it would be a shoe that some runners will like for long trail runs and when comfort is more important than out and out performance. Hard to see somebody like Seth charging up a mountain in these!
Thanks, yeah bit of an expectation versus reality mismatch for me in both these and the Zoom Fly 5 of late. Will the Pegasus Turbo Next Nature be any better. I am starting to "worry"...
Hiya Tim, thanks for the review. I must point out I'm no runner myself - due to bad knees and lack of will, mostly. However, I'm now shopping for a pair of running shoes to start light jogging as gym and bike doesn't cut it for me anymore. I'd do a bit of running on the riverbank where's this sort of dusty road, and across the field to get there. I always liked trail shoes better, they provided me more cushion and grip - I think. The reason I'm looking into these is that I'd also use them as hiking shoes in the summer - the grip seems to be good there, and I like the fact they are wide. That is a nice change as Nike used to make their shoes (even the everyday ones) quite narrow, which annoyed me. Btw, where do you stand on the ON Running shoes? Recently, I tested their Cloudstratus and although I liked them, they come a bit smaller in size I think. The good thing there is you can use them for running AND around the office, if need be :-D Anyways, thanks for you review! I'll consider the Zegamas against the Wildhorse 7 and Terra Kiger 8
Yeah I have the opposite problem - very narrow feet and it is bit annoying for me that Nike shoes aren't overly narrow any more! Hopefully however they have now largely found that right balance where nearly everybody can use them. I always think with trail shoes, how wet/muddy is my route going to be and how much road (and/or very firm terrain) is there. If we are just talking Nike then the regular Pegasus 39 has a pretty rugged outsole for a road shoe and all the "trails" I went on testing the Zegama would have been fine in the regular Pegasus (well at least in the current dry conditions) and they do a wide version if need be. In the winter for "off road" I tend to reach for the Peg Trail GORE-TEX that I showed (v3 moment but have had the previous 2 as well) with I imagine the 4th version imminent as the GORE-TEX gives me confidence won't get sodden feet after the first puddle as it were. If you don't think you need the GORE-TEX then just the regular Peg Trail 4 has had decent reviews and I saw them on sale for only £80 at moment. Terra Kiger is "sort of" Nike's racing trail shoe although I never found it that light but I only tried v5 and never seemed much different since. Never had a Wildhorse and was never clear where that really sits - maybe as more an out and out "everyday" trail shoe that is less good on the road than say I found the Zegama to be and the Peg Trail ones I found OK too on the road. Re ON - I feel I ought to try one and never really been tempted. Their racing shoes are reportedly rather firm and one like the Cloudmonster just looks like it wants a wider foot than mine so, in that sense, might work for you although does not sound ideal for your "cross country" routes.
Great to hear your thoughts on these new trail shoes from Nike. Many of us are problem thinking how these compare to Hoka Speed-goat 5 as a long distance trail shoe? Again thanks for the review…
Thanks for stopping by. Unfortunately I've not had a pair of the Speedgoats so hard to say. Looking at the specs and I see the 5 is 291g in the sample size so I imagine in my size (would be UK 13.5 in Hoka) then probably is going to be similar to the Zegama for me which are 400g in a UK 13. Hopefully another RU-vidr who has a lot more experience in trail shoes will be able to make that comparison.
😂 That reminded me of Cliff Young who at 61, famously won the inaugural Sydney to Melbourne Ultra (875km) wearing gumboots!!! (well that was the legend anyway!!) Looking forward to your wellies comparison video then Tim!
Blimey, that seems a long way even in a car regardless of shoes. Yeah keep meaning to get my wellies out for a "run" - I have been using them as a door stop of late :)
@@mikeregan3265 Well, more an exaggerated legend! I was there myself at the time and met him in person only a year of 2 later when I helped officiate a 24-hour run he competed in... apparently he did train for the ultra in gumboots AND actually started the race in them, and if I remember correctly he got donated "real" running shoes during the race. He was such a lovely humble man and a massive icon for years after!! He has a gumboot memorial in beautiful Beech Forest (Victoria).
The insoles come out like any other trail shoe. If you can't figure it out, just lift up on the white size tag that is attached to the insole. This is the second review I have read that said the same thing.
Throughout this summer's dry conditions I've opted to wear Pegasus 35 Turbos (they've a ZoomX mid sole) off-road. This is because they've done about 500 miles so have lost compression for daily road usage. I've experienced no issues wearing these road shoes across dry farm tracks and fields. Conversely, I wouldn't chose to wear them on a wet and muddy trail and nor would I opt for a heavy shoe as an alternative. Whilst this shoe wouldn't have a place for me, I wonder who Nike have targeted this mega ZoomX shoe for? Or, perhaps maybe it's just a gimmick.
Yeah I did loads of miles on "light trails" like old railways in the Turbos and in the winter, if wet & muddy, one of those Peg Trail GTX shoes do a turn (the "first" one aka Peg 36 wasn't too heavy). I have never really "got" the Nike trail line as the Terra Kiger is sort of meant to be the racing one but still is quite heavy and then the Wildhorse & Peg Trail are just like this Zegama and seemingly more "everyday" type shoes for trails. I did question if the use of ZoomX was a marketing device and, for sure, I feel that name sells shoes.
A heavy trail shoe,especially with high stack,is a good way to remove some old skin..on a real trail with roots and rocks and down trees you will catch up your feet on something as you tire out..for years I've used only hoka speedgoats..all of them plus some of hoka other trail shoes..IMO the worst of them were better than any trail shoe nike ever made..yesterday I raced a very hilly 10k with about 30% asphalt,30% dirt road,40% woods 2 track trail and I used the Salomon S/lab pulsar..6.8oz in my size 9us..great cushioning and fit like a sock..I may have to rethink my choice of speedgoat..it takes at least a 1/2 marathon trail race to find out how a shoe is over the distance..
Yeah I got a pair of those S/Lab Pulsar last year and felt like an old school racing flat but with "just enough" cushioning and clearly designed for fast pace trail training and racing. Indeed I believe the shoe Seth used for his two Pikes Peaks wins. OK sure Nike never intended these Zegama to be like them and I did think the Pulsars were a little niche albeit welcome if that is what you are looking for. The Speedgoats seem widely used by trail racers worldwide. Have to admit a shoe have not tried. I have enjoyed the adidas Terrex Speed Ultra for some faster pace trail runs in dry conditions. A good bit lighter and lower to the ground than the Zegama. Again not necessarily what everybody would want/need but I had rather hoped the Zegama was going to be more nimble than it is.
@@TimGrose I thought the same thing about the pulsar and never really looked into it cos I have very tender bottoms of my feet and can't use most road shoes except the alphafly and Rc elite V2 and adidas adios pro 3 so I was floored when I took a test run in the pulsar..I had no foot issues even on pavement around home..I have not tried them on a 1/2 marathon yet..that's where the real difference shows up for me and up to now only the speedgoat has gone the distance..we don't usually have park runs but I would think a very lite weight shoe with a little traction would be great where you guys race on various types of terrain..
Great review as always Tim. I really do find Nike off the mark quite a lot these days. It’s only really the alphafly and vaporfly I enjoy and even those have there durability issues for me, although they are great for racing ;despite some comfort issues
Thanks Sam. Yeah adding the Dragonfly and with the Peg Turbos, at least, currently obsolete the rest are mainly "OK" at best. What did you use in your excellent 35 min 10K yesterday? Look forward to hearing how you did it. My days of such times seem ever distant whatever shoes am wearing.
Yeh actually that’s true the dragonfly I forgot about that. Didn’t get on with the invincible, or the infinity react or the miler 😂 I went for the alphafly in the end although I was very tempted to go for the metaspeed sky which has been serving me really well at the moment. Think I’ll use that for my next 5k on the roads. To be fair you’re a bit older but still run amazing times
Yeh actually that’s true the dragonfly I forgot about that. Didn’t get on with the invincible, or the infinity react or the miler 😂 I went for the alphafly in the end although I was very tempted to go for the metaspeed sky which has been serving me really well at the moment. Think I’ll use that for my next 5k on the roads. To be fair you’re a bit older but still run amazing times
Yeh actually that’s true the dragonfly I forgot about that. Didn’t get on with the invincible, or the infinity react or the miler 😂 I went for the alphafly in the end although I was very tempted to go for the metaspeed sky which has been serving me really well at the moment. Think I’ll use that for my next 5k on the roads. To be fair you’re a bit older but still run amazing times
Yeh actually that’s true the dragonfly I forgot about that. Didn’t get on with the invincible, or the infinity react or the miler 😂 I went for the alphafly in the end although I was very tempted to go for the metaspeed sky which has been serving me really well at the moment. Think I’ll use that for my next 5k on the roads. To be fair you’re a bit older but still run amazing times
Nike really don't seem to get it with most of their trail shoes. 400 grams! Not a fan of the Peg trail either, they didn't give much protection or grip at all
What's your favourite trail shoe at the moment ? I was rather hoping for something a bit more "nimble". Won't of course be 400g in a more "normal" size but not going to be "light" in any size.
@@TimGrose I've got two really - the Brooks Caldera 5 as a workhorse shoe and then the Speedgoat 5 (which I haven't done much running in yet but can already see I prefer it over the 4). Given Nike's other offerings I would have thought they'd go for a more nimble trail shoe!
@@timeonfeet thanks! Afraid haven't got either of them. Does the Speed in Speedgoat live up to its name? Those Hoka ones do seem popular with trail runners.
Just being looking at a few reviews of that one as seems to have sent out to some reviewers way ahead of time. Looks like on general release later this month? I have enjoyed the Endorphin Pro 3 so far (even if bit wide for me) and even raced in it on Friday so does a look an interesting option especially I restart long marathon training runs on old railway "trails" when might want a bit more than a road shoe but not the heft of say this Zegama.
Yeah does seem that way. Will the Pegasus Turbo Next Nature save the day or ruin a sadly missed shoe that was about as far from a brick as you could get.
Yeah hard to believe Nike haven't by now worked out how to manufacture ZoomX for next to nothing in relative terms but can charge what £115 RRP for the Peg Trail 4 (with quite a few offers I can see a lot lower - I see I can even pick up a pair in my UK 13 for just £80.45) but £145 for these seemingly just because of ZoomX not React.
Great review as usual. But have you “misunderstood” this shoe as there now seems to be a sub group of reviewers that believe a heavy shoe is a good thing. I must admit to being someone who has bought the shoe and for me it worked perfectly in a track session yesterday. It was a really comfortable shoe as I stood with my stopwatch timing some 300m reps. Keep up the good work.
Ha ha, I did think they might a half decent walking shoe. Well in a long run might need to walk any steep hills as I could certainly feel the weight on the rises I did do.
Thanks. I feel this is the sort of shoe that will appeal to lots of runners but equally I think, like the Zoom Fly 5, it is important to realise what you are getting rather than perhaps you think you were hoping for - well that' was my reaction to both of these.
@@TimGrose Are you planning a shoe off Vaporfly Vs Adidas aaapro3? 🤔 As it beat the AFv2 I was intrigued by your thoughts Vs VF 🤔 I guess a Pro3 shoe off would be very interesting too .. Saucony v Adidas 😊
@@lifephorce Yeah certainly got more shoeoffs to do to part justify a lot of expenditure of late. I am also being coached now so need to try and fit those shoeoff "sessions" in amongst more "regular" ones and that's if my 55 old year legs can keep going whatever :)
Good question. Quick Google and it is a bit unclear especially as can't think of any real "star" names but looks like probably still the Terra Kiger. I have a pair of the 5th version and although recall it is a bit more nimble that these Zegama shoes, still not overly racy.
Would this work better for something like weighted pack speed hiking? The hikes I normally do are 8-10 miles at 3.5-4 miles/hr with a 10 lb pack. I’ve been struggling to find a shoe with decent cushion combined with aggressive tread. Thanks for any feedback!
I did a bit of little walking in the Zegama and certainly was comfortable albeit my feet are so relatively narrow the laces were tighter than I would ideally like but probably not a problem for most. Have you tried any of the other Nike Trail shoes like the Peg Trail, Terra Kiger, Wildhorse ? The other shoe I showed (the black one) is the Peg Trail 3 GORE-TEX. That is still "current" as although the regular Peg Trail 4 is out the GORE-TEX version of it is not yet. When I was injured for running I actually did a few wet/muddy walks in the GORE-TEX one and found them ideal for that as did not need to take as much care where I was stepping as it were. Of course if your hikes are in mainly dry conditions, the GORE-TEX probably is a waste of time. The only real difference between the Zegama and the Peg Trail I showed is that the Zegama is just a little softer because of the ZoomX but I would have thought either could work for you. Probably largely depends how comfortable you feel in a shoe and obviously we aren't going to determine that unless you try on a pair.
Have you run in the Peg 4 Trail? I have a pair (also size uk13 weight is 364 g). I really like the react cushioning in them and would like to know if there is any reason to buy an additional pair of zegamas because of the zoomx?
I’ve both - I’d say No. Trail 4 is great, Zegama is okay. The trail react is pretty soft this year, the Zegama isn’t much softer but you do notice the extra bulk.
Have to admit I haven't - with the Peg Trail 2 & 3 GORE-TEX versions, a Terra Kiger 5 and now this Zegama there is probably only "so many" everyday type weight "trail" shoes I need given it is not a surface I feel I need that many specialist shoes for. Good to hear the Peg Trail 4 is a bit lighter than these however. Maybe it has gone the way of the Peg 39 and they managed to save some weight over the previous versions.
What's the stack in the Peg Trail 4? When I researched it, I was a bit surprised to find the Peg Trail 3 GTX is "only" 24.5-15 mm (Zegama 37-33) but then at least that lower to the ground feeling ought to make them a bit more nimble which did feel was somewhat lacking in the Zegama. I will probably get the Peg Trail 4 GTX having had the previous three.
@@TimGrose I don't believe 24.4/15 , I've seen 35 or 36 quoted for the Trail 3 with a 10mm drop. I think the 4 is around the same. A bit more narrow in the heel and mid-section. I have had a bit of heel rub after 4 miles so I get plastered before running longer.
@@Formerly-known-as-Steve yeah I did another Google and also saw 35 mm with 10 mm drop which seems a bit more like it even just looking at them. I walked about a fair bit for this video with one Zegama and one Peg Trail 3 GTX and the Zegama was "softer" but and felt a little higher but maybe not as much as those "official" specs suggest. Definitely says 24.5/15 on the Nike buy page however! www.nike.com/gb/t/pegasus-trail-3-gore-tex-waterproof-trail-running-shoes-FngTl6
Haven't I am afraid but hoping to get the GORE-TEX version when comes out so can compare with the 3 previous versions. Comments have seen suggest the 4 is somewhat lighter than the 3 and indeed the Zegama but still reasonably soft in comparison with the Zegama. I saw some for only £80 earlier so could be a good deal.
@@TimGrose Yes it is actually a Trial version of the More V3, a bit stiffer because of the outsole, pretty stable and very comfortable without been to soft. Because of the weight It is not racing nimble though but quite likable at least for my use.
That Turbo one is "coming soon" on the Nike Singapore (and presume South East Asia in general) site I noted yesterday so must be "imminent" for us in UK & Europe - now separate of course (unfortunately). As for the Zegama I think my disappointment is that keep making shoes that you think are going to be light and nimble but don't turn out to be case. OK not every shoe should be that but, take away racing shoes, and they have nothing there - will these Turbos fill that void or will they just be more of a lifestyle version of a sadly missed running shoe.
Printing "ZoomX" on every Nike shoes is a disgrace to the Vaporfly. Too much marketing and no performance benefits. Also what I hate is that I always have to dig to find out shoes weight. Looks like most of the companies are hiding them.
I did make another comment on another thread as to whether Nike deliberately have not shown the weight of these or indeed the Zoom Fly 5. It is hardly going to sell it to you is it. As you say neither are Vaporflys even perhaps we think they at least might have been "close".
@@TimGrose Looking at what others have said it should be a good one. I'm interested to see how the carbon plate feels? I've only ever ran in one carbon plate trail shoe amd that was the Flight Vectiv from North Face, but I wasn't that impressed with it. I am however loving the new powerrun pb foam saucony are using 👌🏻
Just seems like endless gimmicks with Nike shoes, unless its their road racing shoes I don’t see any of their other shoes being really competitive against Saucony, NB, Asics etc
Yeah do you feel they are more and more trying to use ZoomX to help sell higher priced shoes than say their React counterparts. In this case hard to see that the ZoomX has fundamentally make any difference compared to say the Peg Trail shoes.
In recent times, at the "good" end, I have also done well over 1000 miles in multiple pairs of the the Peg Turbos and all my track races in the Dragonfly or Air Zoom Victory. On the "OK" front, the Peg 39 & Vomero 16 & Invincible have all seen decent "action" for my everyday training. I guess the trouble is expectation is always high and yeah sometimes the "hype" does not match the reality - e.g. Streakfly & Zoom Fly 5 was a little underwhelming and now this one.
@@TimGrose Definitely a huge amount of hype and marketing from Nike which makes the disappointment greater when you actually run in the shoe... I'm sure it will get great reviews from the Nikey Fanboys
@@lifephorce I bet some would think I am a Nike "fanboy" and I feel that in many cases I am. I guess that is why it is often disappointing in the circumstances you describe.
Yeah when I put on my Dragonfly spikes on for a track mile on Wednesday they will literally be under half the weight of these Zegama so maybe I will get a "lift" as you are "supposed" to wear heavy shoes in training - right ?
@@TimGrose i still got a pair of Brütting Roadrunners with 420 gram from 1964....why should shoes like that cost more than 50 Pound?-----oh i could wear my Hoka Tor winter running boots, they have a similar weight, and we only got heavy snow 2 weeks per year.....even the name Zegama is misleading and suggesting light, nimble, fast technical mountain running shoe
@@justanoldfashionedrunner605 I looked at the times done in the Zegama "Marathon" this year and Kilian Jornet "only" did 3:36 whereas on the flat you kind of imagine could break 2:20. As such hard to think why, even if was Nike sponsored, he would reach for these. On the other hand, Nike don't really do an elite level trail racing shoe.
I watched this stupid cartoon called mob psycho. There were exactly same looking shoes mentioned there and now I got recommended a video with thumbnails of it. Crazy
i real dont understand nike! All the money in the world and can not make a material off good grip or hire real trail designers to make the shoe??? Yeah the trail 2-3 felt fantastic on feet and looked great. But non of that matters if it has ZERO grip.
Yeah that does seem a common complaint. Hard to be sure if the Zegama are any better at the moment in the UK as everywhere is bone dry. They were OK but I would expect any of my shoes to also be OK in such "tame" conditions.
Yeah sort of although you could argue this is the marketing team at their best - putting ZoomX on a shoe and making us all believe it is something different to what is actually a fairly "normal" shoe IMHO.
