Thanks. TBF some of these were "bad" for me just because the largest size they did was not long enough for me. That said it is a lesson I have now learnt myself - only buy shoes that actually fit even if need to miss out on some models. But there were indeed some truly "bad" ones and I skipped past a few more on my shoe shelves that I never managed more than a few runs in before deciding to give up on them. Think will need to do a round 2 clear out before long...
I ought to have another clear out. I did manage to sell 8 pairs on eBay and put another 6 in a charity shoe bin. Still not got enough space but getting there!
Ah glad (well sort of) I wasn't imagining it with those Solar Boost. Yeah remember you loved the Rincon back in 2020. Seems a long time ago. Did you ever try the latest version? A shoe that seems to have got a bit lost I guess what with the Mach 6, Rocket X2 and Cielo X1 taking most attention of late.
Fascinating tour through the Shoe Warehouse there at the beginning, and some really interesting ones to see there like the Peg Turbo 2 GTX. I never really hold on to that many shoes, mostly because I don' t have enough room for them. If they' re still good to run in, I put them on Vinted or similar. In the best case you can still make a little money off themm and maybe someone else can still make use of them.
Yeah I was thinking do I try and put some of more "sellable" ones on eBay or a similar platform. Never tried Vinted before but have managed to sell on a fair few on eBay in the past. Mind you, a few times the buyer paid more for the P&P than the shoes themselves! So my "profit" wasn't great to say the least.
100% on the SL1. Like a wider, slightly heavier adios 6. I ran through a few pair of speed 1s and retired them around 275 miles (foam died around then). Spot on
Yeah I have had 2 Speed 1s, 1 Speed 2, 4 Speed 2 Runshield, 2 Speed 3, 1 Speed 4 and all seem "done" to me about 250-300 miles although some of these am still working through. Besides always good excuse to crank out some new shoes!
its funny, never had the solarglide gtx, but i had the solarglide 4 and i took that tank to over 500 running miles, than many months of wearing at work. i was having some ankle issues last week so took a break from higher stack shoes, busted out the "disaster" adizero pro from years ago for some faster road miles. the upper was still incredible, perfect. yah the ride was firm, but it felt snappy and the shoe was agile. dont think you got rid of enough shoes get back to those shelves. 😅
Glad you got some good use out of those two. TBF the Adizero Pro had my "usual" problem until very recently that adidas Adizero shoes only went to a UK 12.5 but I clearly need a 13.5 they now generally do. I remember in "lockdown" I did manage to get one Strava CR in them and did one decent "up tempo" half marathon training run but when a shoe is a bit short every stride feels a little uncomfortable even if they were at least "usable". And yes I could have cleared a lot more but then the video was already getting a bit long :)
Yeah despite it really being too short for me in the largest UK 12.5 they did, it was a good shoe generally and TBH I did get a decent amount of use out of it.
Another cracking original video Tim. You’re bound to get more than enough on eBay to buy even a couple of shoes given how little you’ve worn some of those. It’s something when you refer to the Boston 7 as a shoe from “back in the day” but it is indeed… goes to show how much they’ve changed in such a short space of time. How’s the injury?
It worked out lot better than imagined this one. Yeah I ought to try and sell some of them. I have only sold through eBay before or do you think Vinted gets more interest for used running shoes ?
@@TimGrose I’d never even heard of Vinted…. Just had a look. Running shoes look “manky” and no authentication. Much more choice on eBay… likely to be the first port of call for 2nd hand shoe hunters and therefore higher prices. Probably more expensive to sell but you’ll likely get more back in net terms
Hardest part of being a runner is throwing out/getting rid of/selling older shoes I open my cupboard with the best of intentions but probably only lift 3 pairs instead of the planned 10 😂😂😂😂 even if they haven’t been on in years I out them back
Know what you mean. I have put the 14 shoes here in 2 black bin liners. In reality, I could probably go round again and fill a few more bags. I keep thinking that the older versions of shoes might be useful for future videos when the latest version drops. At least a few of these I am getting rid of as they are basically worn out.
I loved those original Adidas Pros. The lightstrike and boost just worked for me. Did London Marathon in them and some other races and training runs. The upper was amazing too, don't think Adidas has bettered that with either the Pro2 and 3s.
@@msandiford93 in hindsight if adidas did my actual size in 4 shoes included here (including the Adizero Pro and indeed the 1st Adios Pro) you might have glimpsed I might have liked them better. I guess at the time I thought if this was adidas answer to the Vaporfly they had big problems. As it turned out they had Lighstrike Pro coming which does at least seem to be well liked by many.
@@TimGroseI remember at the time all the comparisons to it were against the Vaporfly which didn't do it any favours. As it's standalone show though I think there was a niche for it. As someone who isn't keen on the super soft foams like ZoomX it worked well. Saying that Lightstrike Pro was a big advance in midsole foam for Adidas
I also liked my pair of Adizero Pro and just recently retired them after 500k. I think the upper was the best part of it. It also had decent outsole rubber coverage. Especially the Continental Rubber in front was durable. The adiwear rubber in the back was so-so.
Still using the following... Puma Velocity Nitro 2: On my 2nd pair managed to get them very cheap. Agree they feel firmer in colder temperatures and the upper is a little thick when it's really warm. Best suited to spring/autumn for grinding out the miles. Adidas SL20: On my 2nd pair and still got another to go. They're a little firm for anything over 10k these days. I agree the also seem quite short compared to other Adidas shoes. I tend to use them in the winter when it's wet as they don't seem to take on much water and the outsole is very impressive. Adidas Boston 9: On my 4th and final pair. Great shoe, love it! Use it for my long slow runs and it seems perfect for that, just enough cushioning and fairly light in my size. Nike React Infinity Run: On my 5th pair with another to go. It does take a good few runs to break in, but I can get around 1000km out of these. Mainly using them for easy/recovery runs, not the best at going round corners as it does feel a bit wide. I did get in to the habit of buying multiple pairs of the same shoe, usually if they were heavily discounted.
Yeah I got the VN2 to about 100 miles and remember doing a comparison vid with the Peg 39 and although I found the VN2 a little more "lively" I just reached for the Pegs more. And then after that "bad" experience in the VN2 that kind of did for me. I have better enjoyed the VN3 and got them over 150 miles but since got injured I have been mainly walk/running in the Peg 41 partly as easier to use an arch support insole my physio wanted me to use for now. Boston 9 in my "TTS" would have been great am sure. The Infinity ones with that bootie type upper just a bit wide for me. Agree on multiple pairs. Even now when I like to try loads of different shoes, I have had 4 Peg Turbo 2s, 4 Speed 2 Runshields and 7 Vaporfly 1s, Back in the day I had 13 pairs of a New Balance 850. I remember buying 4 at once when "found" a few more. Of course eventually they run out and the next version often isn't quite the same.
@@tworunningbrooms ha ha yes. That was a present to my late father so feel need to keep it. Have just bought the Pegasus 2K5 (2005 retro edition) so can be its friend.
So much history going into the bin here...sometimes that is what it takes. The bright Boston 9 was a stunner...also I remember Boston 7/8/9 fitting short, like a soccer boot.
When I saw Andy FOD Runner trying the SL2 without an insole the other day, it reminded me that this Boston 7 was the shoe I did just the same on a treadmill run one time. Remember it did make me realise that the insole isn't there for decoration, it adds to the comfort, provides a little bit of cushion and helps to prevent blisters. I soon abandoned that idea! Oddly at the time the Supernova Glide 8 fitted me a whole lot better and I had about 6 pairs of them. In fact I "found" one last pair in the first set of shelves. Think might hang on to them for posterity. Otherwise my overiding conclusion from this video is that I think I have overcome FOMO and stopped buying shoes a size small "in hope" that they fit. Think that is why the Superblast 2 will have to pass me by.
@@TimGrose Ha! The insole is quite important. I can’t imagine running in a shoe without one. Getting rid of FOMO is great… but still focusing on what is interesting to you is even better. I wish I had as much space as your cabin/shed…. To film/store/be.
In UK sizes I always go 0.5 more with adidas than say than Nike or Saucony just because they use different UK size systems. Otherwise yeah adidas can be a little hit and miss on the sizing.
I had Infinity Run OG. I actually ran a lot of miles (close to 450) on Infinity Run and liked it but my size is US10 so there is significant weight difference. My impression of React foam on these was OK. It softened quite a bit over time. I liked the upper fit for me although there was some negligible heel slip sometimes on one shoe (no heel counter and no runners loop hole) I have a pair of Endorphin Speed 2 RunShield which I am saving for the fall. ES 1/2 had been my favorite training shoes in resent years. I didn't like ES3 as much and opted out of ES4 (since I still have pairs of ES2). I think I will try TYR Valkyrie Speedworks instead of ES2 as I see it it is a clone of ES4 but 5mm drop instead of 8, I have had Velocity Nitro 1 and have a pair of Velocity Nitro 2 with waterproof upper for winter use. Like Speed 2 RunShield I plan to use them on cooler/wet days (fall, winter) Nothing spectacular about these other than good PumaGrip rubber for traction. I also had Adizero Pro. These were my first carbon plated shoes. The original lightstrike foam + carbon plate made a very firm shoe and thankfully there was a token of boost in the heel to soften the ride. I ran 400 miles on my pair and retired them just recently (yeah, it took years to come to that point with the frequency of use given to them). I liked the upper on those more than Takumi Sen uppers.
I managed to sell the Infinity Run OG on eBay. Think main problem for me was just the upper was too roomy for my narrow feet. Yeah I have one par of the Speed 2 Runshield for those rainy days. Fortunately not been many of late and got some injury issues so not being doing so much anyway. Think the Adizero Pro might have been a bit better for me in the size I now can take in adidas. That said, at the time, they did seem very inferior to Vaporflys. Never tried any TYR shoes. I am not a fan of lower drop shoes so maybe not for me but be good to know if you like them if indeed you do give them a go.
@@TimGrose Yeah, I'll let you know if I do get TYR Valkyrie Speedworks. Currently, trying to put more miles on some shoes and retire them and so Speedworks might come in fall (hopefully with some discount). I am also very interested getting Mount To Coast S1 and/or R1. Very decent price even for R1 model.
Yeah in hindsight back in 2020 I was still often buying shoes a size too small for me because that was the largest size they did and clearly I just did so for FOMO reasons. It is a bit like that now with say the Superblast 2 and Metaspeed Sky/Paris. At least now I just "moan" about those only going to a UK 12 (when I am a 13) rather than throwing away good money :)
@@gw4550 I still make expensive "mistakes" though. Ultrafly & Prime X2 Strung last year promised much but a combination of the relatively heavy weight and poor fit for me meant both were largely a waste of about £500.
@@gw4550 Other than the weight, I found my X2 has a very shallow toebox and felt my big toe was being crushed a bit. I would not have wanted one any longer though as felt then it would have been even more of a "boat". Some adidas shoes I have really got on well with. Pre super shoes, I did all my races and sessions in the Adios 1 (the one now at version 8) and ones like the Adios Pro 3 at least have been decent long run or session shoes for me and I quite liked the original Prime X even if was undoubtedly the least stable shoe have ever tried and at the moment with lower leg issues ones I definitely need to stay out of.
Another great watch Tim. Currently downsizing from a house to a flat and planning to convert a bath into a shoe cupboard as I only ever shower. 😂 Also any suggestions for culling 1,000+ football programmes?
Ah I had a load (albeit not 1000!) of football programmes myself back from the 70s when I Dad used to take me to Brentford and, less often, QPR. I even had an FA Cup final one from 1976 when we got tickets to see Man Utd vs Southampton. Overriding memory of "hard" MU fans crying at the unexpected 1-0 defeat. Not sure now if I kept some of them or not. Must have a look as I think I know where they might be. Otherwise it is typical "filing" of stuff can't bring myself to throw out. Have got these in 2 bin liners and just taken pics of the "saleable" ones to put on eBay. The other ones I will take to a charity shoe "bin" when can. A friend of mine made a small fortune selling off vintage airline sick bags so if any of those programmes are "notable" suggest see if there is any resale value.
Good idea. I have got some now on eBay and the less saleable ones will put in a charity bin. I figure if I make something from 8 used pairs I might just be able to get enough to buy something new and talk about here,
Appreciate the timestamps, Tim! I had the Rincon 1 & 2 and actually enjoyed it until 200k when the EVA midsole started to bottom out and went flat and hurt my legs. Had to persist and retired it after 400k both version. Since then not had any Hokas cause they are so behind with their midsole however it's good to see Hoka finally changing there midsoles now to full PEBA albeit only on their high road racing shoes i.e Rocket X2 and Cielo X2. Liked the SL20 (500k) very much. It has a firm but snappy midsole which is great for intervals, workouts, tempos and easy Long runs. Can't wait to get the SL2 after raving reviews to be my do it all daily trainer this year to replace my much beloved T20 that I'm about to retire at 1000k.
Yeah those Rincons were notorious for not lasting long. At least after about 30 miles I managed in them seemed OK in that respect. If I can I try to resist wearing an "old" shoe past its useful life but that clearly varies from runner to runner. I have the Rocket X2 and enjoyed some runs in it but these days nursing an Achilles issue those lower drop shoes just seem a no no for me. SL20 I ended up reaching for quite often even if, in hindsight, was too short. SL2 is extremely "neutral" so if you prefer shoes with seemingly more "structure" like the Triumph it may not be one you would want to wear "every" day. More of a "fast" shoe IMHO.
Have worn all Nike Infinity Run except the current one exclusively casual because I like how they look, don't feel like good running shoes but fine for walking
Yeah always good to find a shoe that looks good and works for walking. Having been injured since start of June, I have been doing lots of run/walks in my Pegs which fit me well and aren't too soft as I find walking in a soft shoe can be hard work.
Your right about the Velocity Nitro 2. Mine started going at 200 miles. Completely dead by the time I retired them at 302 miles. They were like bricks, so much so that I nearly cut short my run. Binned them immediately after my run.
Ah interesting. At least we did not spend too much on them. I have been getting on better with the Velocity Nitro 3. Feel though with them that you have got a like a shoe with a bit of "ground feel". I find them fairly similar to a Pegasus which for some reason I have been getting good use out of as well in the last few versions including the latest 41.
I'm not fussy about shoes/brands AT ALL and I typically don't like shoes that "do much for my running" (except for race day). As a matter of fact, I ran for six years in Nike Flexes when I took up this hobby. Having said that, I had to give this Puma for my dog to chew on. I live in Brazil, and in the past few years, temperatures have been even more scorching than our usual tropical self (30 celsius plus, all year round) , making it unbearable to use this shoe. Besides, I don't know how the blazing pavement affects the midsole, but my pair felt dead after like 50kms, which is absurd, because the Puma Grip was excellent, but what good is it a durable outsole when the foam flattens out so quick?
I have two pairs of running shoes. Oldest pair Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2 (1 year still going strong 1200k later) 2nd pair Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 (only one month and one race old). Gave away the Puma DV8 Nitro to a friend, two years old and a bit frayed. Still going though. Make your life simple,,,,,,,
Ah that's a good point. Thinking about it, before I started doing regular RU-vid videos I would tend to have a road race shoe, a general trainer and some spikes for track and when one was worn out I would just buy another pair. Rarely took any shoe much past 400K though. I just seem to have worn down the midsole by then.
I have 2000km on Pegasus 38 as daily running shoe without any issues. I think changing shoes every month is a good marketing strategy for all these companies
@@JohnBrown-be6re yeah for many years I literally had no option with many shoes so often I bought the largest size and hoped for the best. Some adidas in a UK 12.5 were OK. These ones featured here were at least usable if not ideal. Fortunately the availablity of my shoes in my actual size is a lot better than it was in 2020 (well ASICS aside) so thankfully I have stopped needing to squeeze into shoes and now just skip ones not available to me.
@@brianreiter5572 yeah Doctor Who another favourite and with RU-vid am always seeing clips. Do remember as a child literally being frightened of the Daleks.
Hi Tim! Do you plan to review the Metaspeed Sky Paris? It would be interesting to see your opinion and compare with your favourite shoe the Vaporfly! Some report they like it even better than the Vaporfly, eg. Nick from the Run testers. Cheers!
@@TimGroseI honestly think the Sky Paris shoes feel as if they are ‘big made’ due to the upper being so soft around the toes. Therefore, you might get away with a 12 and you could always send it back if it doesn’t fit? Take the gamble!
Yeah TBF the Speed 2 Runshield should be in a "My Best Running Shoes" video but having had 4 pairs of these, time to discard at least one of the "worn out" pairs.
Saucony Endorphin Speed 2 is/was better than any new Speed iteration. Narrow, tight, firm and boy, they are snappy. Re all other shoes, good riddance, I guess, especially the bad fitting ones.
I actually had more pairs of the Speed 2 Runshield than any of the other models. I did find the regular 1 & 2 very similar and ditto the 3 & 4 although I got on with all of them reasonably well. Otherwise yes I have finally learnt my lesson and have stopped buying shoes that are too small for me as they are the biggest they do for FOMO reasons.
You have a fair few goretex shoes in the collection. In the Netherlands it also tends to be pretty wet, I wish there was a better selection of water proof shoes available. I myself have ASICS gt2000 11 gtx for wet days but they’re pretty awful.
The Speed 2 Runshield I included here was very good as an up tempo trainer in wet conditions. Keeps most of it out which for say an up to an hour base mileage I find is good enough. I never got to try the Speed 3 version and not yet seen a Speed 4 version. For the most wet protection in a running shoe, I would currently go for the Peg Trail 4 GORE-TEX which although really a trail shoe isn't too bad on the road. That adidas Solar Glide 4 GTX felt more like a sturdy walking boot - not what I was looking for. The Pegasus 39 Shield wasn't too bad either. Which ones have you tried?
Yeah in hindsight, it was "bad timing" back in 2020 when got these. I thought they were "odd" in that felt made me a run a bit differently and, in my UK 13, aren't exactly light. That said I had them in a shoeoff and did better than I thought. Shortly after I tore my calf in a track race and by the time got back to running a few months later I was then "scared" to try them again. I did do once on the treadmill and did OK. I guess now that they are essentially obsolete perhaps feel have had their moment. I also think as I always prefer Vaporflys over Alphaflys then being a clear Alphafly training partner is perhaps one reason I did not really take to them.
@@TimGroseusually I pick the AF1 for races but I went with the VF3 this year, I like the extra stack compared to VF1-VF2. This being said, for daily runs, I prefer the Tempo Next to both of these shoes ;)
Nice little round up of the retired / brick shoes Tim. That Launch 9 looks very similar to some current Brooks models but not the latest lines in the range. Good on you for passing the shoes on and not just sticking them straight in the bin. 😎🤘
Reminds me that I have a Ghost 9 lurking near to the "similar" Ghost 15. I think this was before the day an everyday runner "found" Brooks even if you think they have been the staple diet of many "regular" runners for years. Just thought I also skipped past the original Hyperion Tempo from 2020 which was a bit wide for me but surely in the same class of shoe as the latest Hyperion models. I guess one difference is that you were not a running billboard for Brooks few years ago but now got Brooks in 100 point on side of them. Is that why they now look good? Pleases the marketing people?
@@BenNotley so much so that I even buy some Brooks shoes to see what the fuss is about. TBH thought I prefer the "look" of my Pegs :) I have just ordered the retro 2005 version to see if they were indeed better back in the day...
Interesting video, Tim. Your man cave looks like a wall in my garage. Except as the owner of The Complete Runner I mainly have my shoes supplied by brands as part of forward ordering. 6 adidas models I see which is reassuring for me as adidas is NOT one of my significant brands and those I have invested in over the last 3 years or so have not sold well. Can't help thinking those shoes you keep would stack better and be tidyier if you kept in their boxes. Asics is still my number one brand here; with customers returning for the traditional models 1000 series, 2000 series and Kayano. Yet we rarely see reviews on these! But close behind is 361 degrees brand . A great range of neutral, support models for road and some very decent trail shoes. Quality is 100%. Zero returns. Worth a try ; you will noy be disappointed! Terry Lonergan
TBF adidas is normally a brand I get on with but, as I am sure you advise your customers, a shoe that is too short is no good however good it could be in the right size. Well if they did it. At least I think I have finally learned my lesson there. ASICS "annoy" me as their "best" shoes don't come in a UK 13 but at least I now resist buying a 12 in them then regretting it - like the Roadblast here and also the Metaracer back in 2020 as well. Never had a 361. Do they do a UK 13 ? As for boxes - would be tidier I agree but I would need to have much more of a clearout. I actually keep most of the shoes I wear regularly in the car - but partly due to lack of space in my "cabin". The real "idea" was to easily pluck a shoe of interest of the shelf. I guess ones I no longer wear generally aren't "of interest" !
@@TimGrose 361 differential is 1 so you would need US 14 which are certainly available when a model is introduced. New 2025 models are landing in a couple of weeks time.
@@fastrax1949 yeah that is the frustration for me with likes of ASICS and indeed Brooks in that they will offer their best sellers (one presumes) like the Nimbus or Kayano or Ghost (for Brooks) in all sort of sizes but don't in some of the "hype" shoes like the Superblast or Hyperion Max. At least likes of Nike & Saucony tend to make everything in their full size range.
@@TimGrose Superblast is exclusive to certain retailers. Not me! Howvever stock is showing in the MAGIC SPEED. 1/13 and 4/14 UK in white/blue expanse and 3/14 in safety yellow. So some availablity in big sizes!
Hi! If you run 500 kms in each pair your own... how many kilometres you would have run?!!... i guess, you would be the single most impossible runner in the world!! 😮
If I get any shoe to even 300K or say 200 miles these days then it is one that I have must have liked. Even if I like a shoe a lot I typically find by 400K and certainly 500K that the cushioning has degraded too much for me. In recent years I have run about 2500 miles or 4000K in the year. I kind of figure that basically averages out as a new shoe every month even if I wasn't buying "extras" to try out for RU-vid videos.
Possibly the softest shoe I have tried in recent years - Rebel v2 "survived" this clearout but since I gave up on it after about 50 miles, it ought to go as well.
@@bev9708 ah what is softer than the Rebel v2 for you? I guess for me the Invincible 1/2 are also at least as soft but being so much "more shoe" I at least sometimes reach for them if my legs are needing some TLC but still want to run.
@@TimGrose Oh agree for the Invincible, among my all-time favs, AND super long-wearing too!! Significantly softer of my hoard are the NB More V4 and the Asics Nimbus 25, both with considerably more stack height though! I think the Hoka Clifton 9🥰, NB 1080V11/12 and Saucony Triumph 21 are all softer too!
@@bev9708 Ah I see - I tend to avoid those sort of shoes largely due to the relatively higher weight and perceived feeling of them being "hard" work. That said if I do put in some effort into the Invincibles I find I do sort of "get going". If you get the SL2 be interesting to see how you find them in comparison as got to think will feel quite different.
