Nine Top Warhammer 40K Army Lists with the NEW POINTS - What's Winning ?

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Let's talk through some of the army lists that have initially had some good success at tournaments after the balance update!
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0:00 Intro
1:55 Orks - Bully Boyz
4:13 Chaos Space Marines
6:20 Necrons - Canoptek Court
8:01 Chaos Daemons
9:19 Grey Knights
11:23 Space Wolves
13:36 Thousand Sons
15:47 Adepta Sororitas
18:30 Blood Angels
20:54 Outro

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@Desm0708 Месяц назад

Solemnly looking at the time stamps knowing neither of my armies will be in this video

@monkey5266 Месяц назад

Same

@Otan82 Месяц назад

Guard player checking in o7

@SillyLegz Месяц назад

Cries in Tyranid

@dras-pv8qv Месяц назад

Only videos my deathwatch show up is the "worst of..."

@timothymartin9792 Месяц назад

Cries in Admech Binary

@rickkcir2151 Месяц назад

The fact that Necrons bring 18 Wraiths, a model sold in 3s. Shows how abysmal their internal balance is. More than anything, it speaks to how limited their canoptek range is.

@michaelgwartney2672 Месяц назад

It also speaks to 10th as a whole. You just find the one broken unit and spam 3 max squads of it. It's the same for Votann and Hearthguard. I miss force org charts and army compositions that made sense.

@braders790boop Месяц назад

This is one thing I miss from previous editions. But then 3 minimum size units of immortals wouldn't change the lists that much I guess.@@michaelgwartney2672

@braders790boop Месяц назад

I think it's nuts that they nerfed technomancer so hard when it's clearly wraiths that are more of a problem.

@theStamax Месяц назад

@@braders790boop Yeap. Really weird decision especially because they weren't really played in the other 2 units they could join (and dear god won't they now^^). Shoulda bumped 6 man wraiths by a lot more than the techno point increase ... like 40-60p for 6. And I mean 6 man specifically. Because even if 3 stayed at the previous cost, that's a lot less bang for your buck. keeping techon at 60p and increasing 6 man wraith cost by 60 would actually have been interesting. That'd would have meant that you basically pay for the techno twice if you go for the bigger unit.

@nikot.9920 Месяц назад

Wasn't expecting to see Blood Angels on here, as a Space Marine fan I'm happy to see them being able to place highly at the top level

@freddymcshreddy6586 Месяц назад

Brings a tear to my eye. Kinda feels like BA have been bottom of the barrel for the longest time but that +2 strength seemingly was a bigger buff for us than I initially expected it to be.

@Brother_Rony Месяц назад

I am amazed how dark angels went down in points across board, even the auto-include azrael remained at his point cost yet because they completely relied on a very specific ironstorm list, they have falled to like a 27% winrate. Solid oof

@AnonYmous-ys2if Месяц назад

Their codex was an absolute unmitigated disaster. No good detachments, no good datasheets, and no synergy to be found anywhere.

@kirbyball97 Месяц назад

@@AnonYmous-ys2if only company of hunters was usable.

@jakobbarr4216 29 дней назад

@@kirbyball97 only to mass spoof. There wasn't much power behind it, just outliving your opponents with wounds for days. S6 and S10 weapons hurt really bad against all their bikes.

@herbertharris8456 Месяц назад

Space Marines Terminators need a serious glow up. Mega knobs are effectively the same thing, except better in every way.

@felixtpholm9377 Месяц назад

They shoot worse, if at all, and i think cost more.

@lizadon0740 Месяц назад

@@felixtpholm9377 no less 150 for five as apposed to 175.

@sumsarprat Месяц назад

you are right, Orks are better then those puny umies

@thelegendsmith3063 Месяц назад

4+ invul and deepstrike is what your paying for

@nicholasd7107 Месяц назад

Most stuff that’s good for Codex Space Marines gets instantly nerfed into the ground

@cypher1019 Месяц назад

The last time you see Abaddon in a list ;D

@Ohfishyfishyfish Месяц назад

2:04 that guy's name even made Auspex pause

@aliogalio3056 Месяц назад

Solo Librarian is back on the menù

@War_Hammered Месяц назад

Used the Bully Boyz twice now. They have some fantastic plays they can make. And a few pitfalls aswell. All in all tho I'm loving the new ork codex !

@Majere613 Месяц назад

I think quite a few of these lists illustrate a growing gulf between high-level competitive tables and everywhere else. I'd like to see the terrain maps for some of these games because I know from experience that if I put half those lists on a table at a typical FLGS they'd get shot to death in a couple of turns, in particular those expensive lynchpin characters apparently hanging out on their own. Some of those lists look like they're designed to be played in a space hulk. And yet they obviously do well, so there must just be a heck of a lot more LOS blocking terrain out there.

@Chipawapa Месяц назад

15 characters, two units. Love these new 40k lists so much.

@mandasenna4290 Месяц назад

They did the lion dirty. Very dirty. They can write Magnus as solid and powerful since the get-go. Why can't they do the same with Lion?

@BigPumpie-tf7tq Месяц назад

I feel like it'd be nice to see what these armies lost to or won against, be good info for people lookin for it I think

@neilbatterham8370 Месяц назад

I used the bully boys on the weekend.they're good but outside of the waagh turns take a lot of punishment from shooting. To be fair I was facing tau with some insane luck 3 hammerhead shots in kauyon with sustained 2 all getting 6s vaporizer a lot of meganobs

@RenatoT-si7vv Месяц назад

So happy to see a Space Wolf list here

@braders790boop Месяц назад

That daemons list is amazing.

@basteala525 Месяц назад

And next update, Loyalist Vindicators go up 20 points.

@OniGanon Месяц назад

Nah. Gotta sell out all those Rhino based vehicles this edition so they can remove them in 11th.

@arolfe41 Месяц назад

The Daemons list im surprised did well.. it seems so easy to counter and without significant presence especially with how the meta is focused on max unit blobs with leaders. I think he had a nice run on his GT pairings as it appears to be weak to counters or screening

@Internetbutthurt Месяц назад

Was thinking the same. Be tempting to go fix and rack up points on assassination.

@honnorgaurd Месяц назад

yup... as expected, the latest codex really did knock the custodes clear out of the ballgame...

@sambojinbojin-sam6550 Месяц назад

Wow, 23 cabal point TSons list winning. That's pretty awesome. Only 23 players however, so maybe just a stat thingo.

@znalniaskas Месяц назад

Nice. About the Masque of slaanesh, you can also hide it out of line of sight behind the guo and maybe another greater daemon, so the GUO is -1 to wound in melee(while the keeper additionaly gets +1 to wound in melee).

@AaronFrederick843 Месяц назад

A wild points drop appears! Somehow Thousand Sons lists got LESS diverse

@TheBluBrawler Месяц назад

No mention of Aeldari, that's a change

@OniGanon Месяц назад

Interesting, so we're finally starting to see the Daemonifuge instead of Callidus.

@albertbargery9619 Месяц назад

I think the variety of armies shows good players can win with most armies, but there is internal balance issues within codexes and they rely on only certain units in each codex which reduce the variety of models you actually see being used.

@woahhbro2906 Месяц назад

Not included: World Eaters (big surprise..)

@anatemamorf2030 Месяц назад

I play as TS for 4 years and honestly i have no Idea how to play that sorcerer/rubric heavy list

@veryblocky Месяц назад

As a Necrons player, I hate how 18 Wraiths is still one of the strongest lists we have. They should’ve hit them harder, and buffed warriors so they would see play instead

@chunjeef Месяц назад

I thought there would be a list with black Templars

@FroggyTheGroggy Месяц назад

Leman Russ is the betrayer Edgar Abel Del Moral Aguayo, his mate is Esau currently being hostedby Ignacio Sánchez-Cid Artillo.

@an0nycat Месяц назад

*Spoiler: number Zero - Deathwatch*

@SillyLegz Месяц назад

Yea, fought that Abaddon/terminator brick/ hellbrute combo on Saturday and by god that was ridiculous

@theStamax Месяц назад

To be quite frank, I didn't much buy into the low CSM winrate last patch. Sure they got some extra points this time, but a lot of their bs combos already existed. I feel like a lot of people got stuck 2 metas ago and tried to play lists that just didn't work anymore after the dataslate nerfs in january. Guess it's a good thing for GW to made them look at other units and combinations.

@GM-rs2fv Месяц назад

At least night spinners and wraith-knights aren’t blowing me off the board t1

@Captain_MikeXII Месяц назад

So chaplain can attach to DC?

@AbysmalFalcon Месяц назад

Yep! And DC don't get OC unless a chaplain is within 12" (usually this just means you attach one and call it good) Jump DC can take the Jump chaplain (or lemartes/astaroth), normal DC take the regular chaplain. DC dreads are either going to be just a vehicle/monster killer, or can have OC if nearby one of your units with a chaplain Source: am blood angel player

@ashleyharris4114 Месяц назад

Came here hoping for Tyranids, then realised that was a silly idea! 😅😢😢

@artusyeddou5792 Месяц назад

T'au still waiting for their points...

@wolfgangstallionmusic5639 Месяц назад

Wait still??

@theStamax Месяц назад

@@wolfgangstallionmusic5639 yeap. first codex release via box was 1 month before orcs and custodes. Won't get points till next weekend, because that's when the regular codex goes on sale. Ironically, Custodes and Orcs got their points even before the codex was available.

@Dewoy1 Месяц назад

No bugs?

@techdude210 Месяц назад

Infernal master and rubrics going to get their points slapped this is getting ridiculous. As a TSons player I’m pretty worried.

@timunderbakke8756 Месяц назад

Same. Once rubrics get punished hard our army falls apart. We can survive the infernal master with other choices if we have to

@teejay1646 Месяц назад

Yeah they actually have no idea what they're doing with ksons

@jacket2848 Месяц назад

To be fair, the infernal master is ludicrous. He and his dudes routinely wipe entire units in overwatch

@d.t.m8393 Месяц назад

@@jacket2848 On the other hand, he's also a leader who's main leading-ability doesn't actually buff the unit he's leading in any meaningful way! ([Sustained Hits] not being particularly useful on units armed with predominantly [Torrent] weapons, imagine that!)

@tomo_schmidt Месяц назад

No Aeldari this time

@ragnarbaron6090 Месяц назад

Black temples with jump packs. It needs to be a thing 😂

@pistoneteo Месяц назад

IG got hit hard.

@JimH. Месяц назад

I literally lol'ed at the SW list. I understand tournaments are win-at-all-costs mentality, but dear God I'd take one look at that and walk away.

@RSBurgener Месяц назад

And who wants to collect and paint an army like that too??

@brotherhao4225 Месяц назад

@@RSBurgener Tbf the thunderwolf cavalry is cool, it's just the vindicators look so out of place lmao

@basteala525 Месяц назад

@@brotherhao4225 It doesn't help that in terms of competitively viable units, Space Marines have fewer options than Votaan.

@johnhildenbrand2642 Месяц назад

I betcha when we get the next balance pass thunder wolf Cavalry is gonna get whacked with the nerf bat, lol, bye wolves, back to obscurity where you belong

@TheCommunistColin Месяц назад

I've played against Thunderwolf spam and I actually had a lot of fun. It's tough and heavily melee focused but it's got plenty of ways to defeat it. It's definitely a skew way to play Space Wolves but I'd take it over the previous C'tan stuff or the current Meganob silliness any day.

@codyott1982 Месяц назад

I really really wish I could get healthy enough to play a tournament again. I've been doing really well against people who have won local tournaments, but I just can't play more than 1 game a day (and I can't even finish a 3k battle). I think I could do really well, maybe even win

@wolfgangstallionmusic5639 Месяц назад

I pray you get healthy then! What army do you play?

@davidszabo820 Месяц назад

Dont really understand the necron list. Why Illuminor Szeras? There is only 1 battleline unit.

@SillyLegz Месяц назад

I have a list thats gonna have one block of 10 immortals with an Overlord and pyromancer, with Szeras lurking around them. Basically just stay behind cover and stare at the midfield hoping something sticks a leg out

@davidszabo820 Месяц назад

@@SillyLegz im not really sure if 170pts isnt too much for it(thats the strange part), but i should try it i guess.

@baconbot2663 Месяц назад

Jeff was using szeras as an all around wound sponge and board control piece. A 4+ invuln with a 4+ fnp at 9 wounds is almost as meaty as a c'tan its very rng and hard to kill. Plus his damage is alright. Basically boils down to what else can you take for 175 points that is that hard to kill and the current answer, if you're maxed out on wraiths, is not much. Oh and hes a cryptek so he gets the lone op strat the dev strat and the full rerolls.

@SillyLegz Месяц назад

@@davidszabo820 ive only played one game with my Necrons, and it was an unoptimized Hypercrypt. Had no clue what i was doing, so honestly im just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks

@aaronteague9433 Месяц назад

Bully boys are absolutely busted and are going to take more tourneys here in the coming weeks

@bungus_chungus1401 Месяц назад

Watch as GW finally nerfs the TWC and their characters in the summer. It annoys me that there is pretty much only one way you can run the space wolves competitively

@arbitrary_mike7833 Месяц назад

RIP Custodes. Points cuts and still down 15% win percentage. Maybe in 9 months GW will get around to updating their rules to make them competitive again.

@BurnByMoonlight Месяц назад

Make the Telemon (and maybe the other dreads) characters!

@gamewizardx Месяц назад

Wasnt really a points decrease. It was just down from eh codex numbers which never went live.

@arbitrary_mike7833 Месяц назад

@@gamewizardx Trajann, Blade Champ, and like two other characters saw 5-10 point drops relative to the previous MFM points. Of course, Kyria and Assassin got more expensive so it’s kind of a wash.

@StefanWeldon-co9ee Месяц назад

I hope they are nerfed every update absolutely stupid army

@gamewizardx Месяц назад

Dang how did the custodes hurt you?

@Gaussian_Bell Месяц назад

The Space Wolf list is dumb, but hopefully they just limit the Wolf Lords and Battle Leader numbers rather than throwing out huge price increases to Wolf Cav as a whole

@StefanWeldon-co9ee Месяц назад

Why is it dumb?

@Gaussian_Bell Месяц назад

@@StefanWeldon-co9ee "Dumb" only in respect to internal balance for Space Wolves. It makes perfect sense for a tournament list. But if a list is 70% made of one unit type then something is going wrong. I just hope Wolf Cav don't get completely buried, they are my one of my favourite units.

@BloodyArchangelus Месяц назад

Blood angels doing good.. Gw would kill us

@AbysmalFalcon Месяц назад

I'm just glad we weren't hit as hard as I thought. Does sound like I need to pick up some DC on foot sometime though lol

@WraithMace Месяц назад

Oh yeah got my boys the Grey Knights on this list kicking dameon, heretic traitor and xenos scum all over the place with our HulkBusterBabyCarrierArmor x4!

@soyjoony Месяц назад

Where are my Genestealers?

@GloomyMime Месяц назад

This is an edition based on special characters, armies with no special characters have no place here.

@soyjoony Месяц назад

@@GloomyMime sad. But true

@urieldaluz250 Месяц назад

I mean, the battle line respawn cheese can do ok vs some armies, and they have a good amount of buffers, but yeah, they don’t have a lot of big dramatic characters, and their vehicles can be underwhelming

@JamesHuxford Месяц назад

You seemed to have missed out my golden boys 😢 I’m sure this is an admin error

@anonamarth4291 Месяц назад

CSM lists in tournaments (that I've seen) are always so boring. If you don't take Abaddon, you don't achieve anything, from the look of it.

@gon4244 Месяц назад

third, auspex u are awesome

@teejay1646 Месяц назад

Ksons have the saddest illusion of choice. Why did they bother creating all of these Tzaangor sculpts when they're just hard outclassed by generic cultists? Point changes didn't even let us slip in a set of Enlightened and those things are almost the most cost effective unit around Battleline tax means you'll never run a daemon for the rest of the edition. (What a great solution that was so much better than just balancing the scribes and changeling) We actually need the second half of our faction so insanely bad they just keep making everything worse with no sense of direction

@echo_ironside8006 Месяц назад

"Why did they bother creating all of these tzaangor sculpts" for their own game in AOS maybe?? Im shocked that you want tsons to have MORE aos ports in lists.

@teejay1646 Месяц назад

@@echo_ironside8006 they already have them. I'd just like them to use able when they're half of our absolutely pathetic roster

@echo_ironside8006 Месяц назад

@@teejay1646 number 1. a 20 man gor bomb with a crystal shaman is VERY useable, to jump and then surge and lock the enemy in their DZ. Number 2. Enlightened are cheap, fast moving action monkeys. any other gors im missing?

@PhoenixRising200 Месяц назад

every chaos army used nurglings.....

@echo_ironside8006 Месяц назад

Tsons didnt :^)

@kirbyball97 Месяц назад

6 months of orkz being super overpowered is going to be annoying.

@FroggyTheGroggy Месяц назад

Rogal Dorn is Epstein, Biel from Saber Y Ganar, Esteban I+D, Guillermo Sánchez-Cid he the son of Abbaddon/Malcador Steve Mcniven/Violeta Komari/Manuel El Pistola antiguo conserje de I.E.S Velazquez.

@zaganim3813 Месяц назад

the space wolves list is literally the most boring list i ever seen since 7th edition

@mtrunkello Месяц назад

Just wait until you see a WE list with 50 berzerkers 4 rhinos, angron and bunch of master of executions

@stevebrown7877 Месяц назад

Why don’t they buff some of the worst detachments, all we see is the exact same lists

@sixsevenfour Месяц назад

Aw, no BT lists to poo poo over? Thoughts and prayers.

@LeeHauser Месяц назад

Give it time heretic

@H2Os51 Месяц назад

Happy to see the Wolves are up there, sad that its literally only 5 different models, just in abundance. Taking 24 marines on wolves (both characters and regular TWC) just seems like its not fun or innovative. Its boring.

@damnedLegion40K Месяц назад

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@FroggyTheGroggy Месяц назад

Horus is Bezos/Miguel Sánchez-Cid/Mazdamundi as Josh Komari, Adan, Simone Weil, currently being hosted by the son of Victor Bruno, he is under protection of the Alpha, his father is Fulgrim

@FroggyTheGroggy Месяц назад

Fulgrim is Norberto the waifu of Victor Bruno/Adriana/The roided guy of Olivares who buys steroids from the pharmacy of Olivares propierty of Arthur/Lionel Johnson/Addison Vodka/Cece Komari Najash, the Snake, his veggie is in the bunker of James Porkshop in Nottingham

@nilesraeadams Месяц назад

No way... first?

@mastermonkey95 Месяц назад

Proud of you

@Ohfishyfishyfish Месяц назад

you did it, buddy

@markhardycreative Месяц назад

Yes way Ted !

@nilesraeadams Месяц назад

@@markhardycreative most triumphant!

@GloomyMime Месяц назад

Basically, most of the armies need 2+ special characters to be competitive. Sad.

@FroggyTheGroggy Месяц назад

Perturabo is Jesus de La Hera/Al Pacino/Xerokee, he is a veggie under pentagon

@CharlesRichelieu-hv7sn Месяц назад

ooof, thats one terrible ork list.

@FrankBowman-rh9ow Месяц назад

629 views in 2 minutes fell off

@dracosummoner Месяц назад

It'll probably pick up later when people get home from work.

@FroggyTheGroggy Месяц назад

Jesus Christ is Jaghatai Khan, Soso Sevillano de saber y ganar especial, Gay Bullfighter

@samuelharmssambamsjm269 Месяц назад

There's a mistake surely? I Don't see any Tyranids on the list... 🫠

@scolack123 Месяц назад

Invasion fleet 3 exocrines 2 haruspex 3 maleceptors 2 neurolictors 2×10 gargoyles Neurotyrant Hive tyrant Deathleaper Biovore Thats it Thats all we got