Very frustrating and concerning but time will tell what their plan actually is! #nintendo #donkeykong #donkeykongcountry #marioparty #zelda #gaming #nintendocharacter #zeldagame #botw #totk #ttyd #mariokart #metroid
They’re definitely not. You’re not taking the full picture into account here. -DK is a main character in the Mario movie -DK has his own theme park in development that’s almost the same size as Mario’s. -DK has his own Lego sets -Mario vs DK remake -and now the DKCR port. They’re not scared of DK. They’re trying to actively and safely boost his marketing appeal. There is absolutely a new DK game in development. It’s sad it won’t be on switch, but a new one is coming.
Legit just bought a Donkey Kong t-shirt from Target a few months ago. They wouldn't be making mass-marketed merch for a character they didn't care about.
Here's the thing, though, these re-releases aren't targeted towards us, their targeted at the people who never grew up with these games. The reason 8 /U Deluxe sold so well was because to most people, it was a new game, ones that also fixes the problems with the previous versions. Same can be said about 2 HD, Most casuals that know Luigi's Mansion, played only 3 which had nothing to do with the title besides being a sequel, so having the prequel also on there brings more audience into series. There doing the same thing with DK with how much their pushing him with the movie, theme park, and merchandise, and like Warioware, Nintendo refuses to let this die.
Nice! Yeah me and my little dudes are still on the Wii U and Gamecube right now lol. A bit frozen in time. But I'm looking to get to the Switch world eventually, especially after seeing the "Mario & Luigi: Brothership" trailer. And a legitimate DK platformer game for the switch would be over the moon 🙂 hope they get there! @@paradoxzee6834
I agree, it's for casuals and it introduces it to a new generation, plus game preservation is always a good thing. I don't agree with the prices. Nintendo is obviously saving their big releases for switch 2 and the remasters are just content they can release until then.
Thank you. This is what I've been thinking for some time now. I only had my dad's SNES before having Switch so the ability to play old games on my Switch is really something. Same with Wii U Switch has instalbase of 140 millions and Wii U only had 13 millions so almost no one could've played DK Tropical Freeze or MK8
Dude you're trippin. You're acting like dk is hiing the route of F zero. They're re-releasing a fan favorite and introducing it to a new generation. Kids who liked dk in the mario movie may want to buy this game. Plus retro usually handles the dk games and arent they currently working on Metroid? Because I'd rather have a new dk game coming from Retro than one thats inferior from a different studio. Let retro make Metroid prime 4 and thej later maybe they can do a new dk title. Chill.
This is for people who go to the theme park and loved their time and want to keep interacting with Donkey Kong. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a major seller at Universal’s gift shops. Parents will buy this for their kids and it will have legs.
@@pinkmelon3289 They use these remasters to gauge interest too. I mean if DKCR remastered sold like 500k it would probably put the franchise in danger. But it's not gonna happen. Advance Wars is a nice franchise that was being assessed in terms of commercial viability but sadly the studio making the remake kinda fumbled it with the graphical style and multiplayer features. It could have sold well over 1 million and secured a follow up otherwise.
@@fishyperil2153 No, they use game sales to gauge interest. They use remasters to pump out a cheap and easy product to make a fast buck and then turn around and continuously ignore the franchise because it doesn't meet some arbitrary sales goal. Also it's kind of insulting to have that kind of response when Nintendo 100% botched ReBoot camp's release by delaying the gaem "indefinitely" having zero news on it for over a year, then shadow dropping it a year and a half later. The sales weren't caused due to "lack of interest in the title" the bad sales were due to nintendo's botched attempt at seeming "sensitive to world events" and convincing everyone that the game was just outright cancelled. I guarantee that a lot of people don't even know that it actually got released still. If any company says "you need to support this product to get this other product that you actually want" everyone's reaction should be to NOT buy what they're selling because thats garbage, manipulative business model that should actually be illegal. Especially with remasters because the industry is getting to a point of over saturation that I'm betting a majority of people just do not care anymore about buying the same game for the billionth time.
@@fishyperil2153 Donkey Kong is a 40 year old franchise. It's not going anywhere regardless of how the game sells. The game ALREADY sold 5 million on the Wii and 1.5 on the 3DS. And no, Advance wars failed because nintendo delayed it for a year and a half and then basically shadowdropped it with little to no advertising. The game had zero chance. Also, "testing market viability" with games is a bull excuse for companies to guilt people into supporting things they don't want with the vague promise of that they might get something they do want later. It shouldn't be done. If anything it should be illegal. Especially since in the case of Reboot camp, Nintendo were the ones that 100% failed the franchise there. Not the fans. I legit still talk to people who thought the game got cancelled and never knew it actually released. Literally only the most die hard AW fans ever knew it came out.
@@pinkmelon3289 oh I agree that it was a failure on their part, both the marketing and the features in the game. It definitely could have done better. But what you described is literally just putting a product out and continuing it if it does well, not continuing if it doesn't. I can't see under what premise could that possibly be made illegal. DK is probably too core to the Nintendo brand for them to completely quit it, but how successful the game is would obviously still have an impact. If the next one sells 10 million copies they're not going to treat it the same way they would if it sells like 500k.
I think the reason for no new DK game is because Retro Studio is putting all its focus on Metroid, I doubt Nintendo no longer care about DK given how prominent he was in the Mario movie and how they are giving him a section in the theme park over Zelda.
Donkey Kong is more alive now than he was for a majority of the 2010’s lmao He got a major role in the Super Mario Bros. Movie, even bigger than Luigi or Toad in it, along with a massive marketing push with Donkey Kong toys as apart of the Movie’s branding. Jakks Pacific even put out large scale Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong figures for the first time ever, as apart of their own dedicated toy line! All because of the boom in popularity following the movie! Furthermore, Donkey Kong is getting his OWN ENTIRE THEME PARK as apart of Universal Studios. Which cannot be said for Zelda, Splatoon, or any other IP besides Mario. And it’s entirely based on Donkey Kong Country Returns, which is why this HD port is releasing in early 2025. So when people visit the park, they are familar with locations such as the Golden Temple and DK’s Treehouse, because they saw them in the Returns port on Nintendo Switch months beforehand. Let’s not forget that there’s also the remake of Mario Versus Donkey Kong, bringing the old rivalry back with brand new stages and boss fights, making for a perfect reintroduction to Nintendo’s two most iconic characters, especially for a new generation of kids who only know the characters from the Movie, or Mario Kart. I could go on about the Donkey Kong LEGO sets, the Mario Rabbids DLC campaign starring Donkey Kong, and Donkey Kong characters appearing in Mario Kart Tour and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, but you get the point. Donkey Kong is not dead, or dying. It is actively growing, in a way not seen in over a decade.
This is a very good point, however it is still extremely concerning how there have been no brand new games in over a decade and the sales of Tropicsl Freeze (even after being hailed as a masterpiece) are frankly abysmal for what the series could be! My main concerns aren’t with exposure everyone already knows who DK is almost as much as they do Mario, the problem is no one seems to be buying his games and I have a feeling the price tag and lack of newness is a major factor
@@RaysNintendoTalk17Umm Tropical freeze on the switch sold over 4.6 million units. If Nintendo thinks 3.5 is “really good” for their series to do then I don’t see how 4.6 is “abysmal”
I’m immune to fomo, so when I see nintendo re-releases and 3+ years old games being sold at full price I don’t feel encouraged to even browse the first party catalogue. The last nintendo game I bought was Metroid Prime Remake.
@@mania4270 you can remaster a game without charging 60 dollars for it. A remaster does not have even remotely the same budget as a full release game. Worse, when this game was initially released the full release price was 50 and it was later rereleased at 40. They added nothing. They did the easiest port job ever and are now charging us like it's Breath of the Wild on launch.
@@mania4270 Doesn't change the fact that charging far more than the original full price for old games is flat out disgusting, especially games where they didn't add anything to warrant the price increase.
I feel like you're overblowing the "go the way of [Insert old Nintendo IP here]" DK still is at least in the Public eye unlike something like Star Fox with DK getting other stuff like theme park rides. That being said, I understand your frustration given how long it's been since DK got a whole new game. Hopefully, Nintendo looks back at their old catalog of IPs and gives stuff like DK, Star Fox, etc, new games for Switch 2.
I'm not in full disagreement with you, but there are a few points that I think deserve consideration. 1. No one is forcing you to buy $60 remasters. Its a choice. 2. The target audience for remasters is diehard fans, people who missed out, and or collectors... Not the casual market or players who've been there and done that. 3. Remasters have generally been well made (not buggy) and maintained (faithful to originals) 4. You can wait till price drops or buy used physical copies 5. Remasters cost less than buying the original games and hardware 6. Remasters have helped Switch stay relevant and add value to the console while Nintendo can concentrate on releasing stable polished new titles Link's Awakening was overpriced but also completely overhauled. Idk about Luigi's Mansion 2...but I agree that a former $20 3ds "Nintendo Select" should not be $60 on switch.
I'll be honest, the price of games never affected me. Don't get me wrong (im a minimum wage part-time employee) but if a game releases that I wouldnt play for more than a day (it could cost 20 or 70 bucks idc) I wont buy it. I dont look at the price-tag, just the value of the game. DKC tbh isnt my cup of tea so it wont be on my list, but Luigis Mansion 2 I have bought because as a kid I loved it and I wanted to play it again without the uncomfort of the 3ds
@gavinrhodes7645 But in all seriousness, it’s game “series” (calling it a series is a bit of a stretch) made by the company Brownie Brown, or 1UP Studios as it’s known today, and published by Nintendo. There are two games in the series, being Magical Vacation and Magical Starsign. One was released on GBA, the other on the DS. The games themselves are turn based RPGs with a bit tactical grid-based combat sort of similar to Mega Man Battle Network but also very different. The art style is very similar to that of the Mana series, as the share the same art director. The series itself has little recognition here in the west, only Starsign was every released over here and it pretty much a commercial failure. The series has lied dormant since Starsign’s release in 2007 and it doesn’t seem likely that the series will be revived any time in the near future. It’s unfortunate because they’re actually really fun games with great gameplay and surprisingly compelling stories. It’s really a shame they weren’t more successful. But I guess there’s nothing we can do about it now.
Not deterred by $60 whatsoever. I've wanted an HD waggle free version of this game for some time. I get the mindset of being turned off by that price for an older game, but in the end, it's all about willingness to pay, and I'm in the boat who is.
The best way to fight price gouging is to stop buying games. Encourage your followers to not buy over prices games and force Nintendo to be better. Financials are the only thing Nintendo listen to.
But sales numbers show that most simply don't. I know they didn't have to put much effort into releasing them, but surely the cost to get them on the Switch is more than they are actually making off of these rereleases.
@@sarkaztik3228 Comparing sales to titles like Zelda/Pokemon/Mario isnt really fair. Just because the franchise is old and beloved doesn't mean it has the same sales potential as Pokemon. If games had to do as well as pokemon to succeed, Pokemon would be the only game
I’ll be picking up DKCR despite its price. Would I prefer it being cheaper? Of course. But inflation is a thing, and I really want it on there so that I can have the complete duology on one console. And if the original Luigi’s Mansion were available on the Switch (be it bundled in or stand alone), I’d probably get 2 at that price too as I’d then have the entire trilogy on one console. But as it stands, the most recent version of it is on the 3DS, and so if I were to want to play through all the games, then since I’m already bringing the 3DS into play I might as well just stick with the original LM2. I do kind of wonder if maybe not having DKCR on the Switch played a part in hurting Tropical Freeze’s sales.
Inflation has zero to do with the increased prices of rehashed games... they're old games with next to zero work put into them since their initial release. They could port them at half the price and not lose out on money. Inflation takes into account the increased cost of manpower and other supplies/services, none of which has much of a presence in rehashing old games (even if they are "HD" remasters). They're not increased for the heck of it and then labeled as "inflation". You can make any financial decision you like, obviously, but people using inflation as the logic for rereleasing old games at the full price of a current game are bonkers.
@@awkwardsilence4427 1:) They probably didn't update the models. They're probably the exact same ones they used on the Wii 2:) Updating textures is insanely easy. They already use high res assets when developing it so they can properly scale them down depending on need. Nintendo, like many devs, use texture libraries. It's stupidly easy to add new textures into a game. 3:) Nintendo made both the Wii and the Switch, they literally have all the documentation on it. They literally have the source code. They didn't take the wii game and smash it into the Switch. They took the source code, tweaked it, compiled it into a switch file, bug tested it, and threw it out the door. The development of this TOPS took a year. And that's being generous. Hardest thing about it was probably getting the 3DS levels in there. Remasters are insanely low effort. This one happens to be priced like it was a brand new game.
@@pinkmelon3289 But they may have updated models. It’s still half a year out, so who knows what further improvements they’ll make on it by then. Also, Retro Studios would have the source code and not Nintendo themselves. And it isn’t exactly priced as a new game in that it’s probably not going to get any DLC like most games do nowadays. And lastly it’s weird how only this game specifically is getting pushback about its price when no one seemed to mind Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door being priced exactly the same.
@@awkwardsilence4427 They aren't going to update the models enough to justify 60 dollars. No one buys nintendo games for graphics. Retro Studios is 100% fully owned by nintendo. Retro Studios is Nintendo. Nintendo has the source code. It is priced like a new game. It's dumb to argue otherwise. DLC is irrelevant. Just because you're okay with being a dumb consumer doesn't mean everyone has the same microtransaction accepting brain rot everyone else does. People pushed back against TTYD too. People pushed back against Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. People pushed back against Skyward Sword. People pushed back against TPHD and WWHD. More people are pushing back every day. You're just now noticing because it's gotten to the point you're now aware of it. Your perception isn't reality.
Would have liked to see a comparison to older console games with inflation accounted for. NES games went for 60 bucks back in the 80s. I paid 50 bucks for ps2 games back in the 2000s
Inflation doesn't really matter on it's own, though. The cost of living in the 80s was FAR cheaper than it was in the 2000s, which was even cheaper than it is now. Simple inflation means nothing without the context of cost of living. Paying $60 for a game now is far more of a hit to the wallet than it was in the 80s. Heck, paying $100 for a game in the 90s hurts half as bad as paying $50 for a game nowadays.
There actually was a 3d donkey Kong game in development for the switch but the game got cancelled. It was outsourced to a studio that got acquired by activision who made them cancel it so they could work on a new call of Duty. Did you know gaming has a whole hour long video about it
honestly you're being way too generous by saying tears of the kingdom is worth 70 or thousand year door is worth 60, one is a sequel that has a bunch of recycled content from a cheaper game (botw) and the other is literally just a remaster gamecube game you could already emulate on pc or any myriad of other devices, or a gamecube or backwards compatible wii. seems like price gouging to me
They're not killing dk probably just testing the appeal of it because they released the gba game of dkvmario remastered if this sells well they might start bringing back all the vs games remastered and the classic dk country games which im fine with because I'd rather see a massive 3d donkey kong game then just a new 2d game
Yes!! My frustration here! I've been working through the retro games with my little dudes, and naturally on the SNES they fell in love with the Donkey Kong experience. I've been slowing walking it up, as far as gaming and systems, but the only game left is "Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze" and some nice guy named Alex who did a hack on the old DK games and breathed new life in them. I was astounded this guy named Alex and his game was the closest new thing to a DK game. I was certainly hopeful seeing DK and some crew in the Mario movie. They make so many crappy run off games from movies, to not at least put in a drop of elbow grease and get us a fun DK game...just baffled. Good to hear I'm not alone.
DK Returns is a good game, and it being put on the switch means more money for the devs which makes it more likely we see a new title sooner. Your use of the word content is bizzare to me. You act is if the only measure of content is quantity.
Nintendo releases these games because of one reason, whether it makes sense to us or not ☝️ simply because they sell! Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, after all the criticism it received, still became the number one selling game in both Japan and the United Kingdom! You can complain as much as you want, but Nintendo is definitely not killing Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong County Returns HD will undoubtedly sell enough units and become successful, regardless of whether you buy it or not, and Nintendo surely has plans going forward with that IP. I love Donkey Kong County Returns, I bought it for the Wii, loved the 3DS version, and its extra levels. Now, I will enjoy it in HD in the coming year and will have a wonderful time, no questions asked. Nintendo knows these games sell, and Luigi's Mansion 2 HD is a perfect example of this.
Plus unlike Tropical Freeze, Returns has been getting a lot of Love lately(Lego set, Mario movie, DK expansion), so when you really think about it, it makes sense that we would get the game that all this stuff is based on.
@Mymy_64 is very true, plus many gamers, especially children who are ages from about eight to ten, will probably have their first exposure with Donkey Kong County Returns. Nintendo knows their audience, which is the reason they'll always sell their respective games at full price since they, of course, recognize the value in the games they develop, especially within the time frame of the release date. I'm sure the theme park will attract plenty of customers to the game and will sell a few millions because of it, and Tropical Freeze will probably get a boost in sales also, and Nintendo still have the Donkey Kong Land trilogy they've yet to release on NSO putting them on a position where they can hold of their release in order to propel the DK IP and increase the popularity to New heights all within the next year. Quite the opposite to killing it, Nintendo literally saved Donkey Kong, regardless of what anybody says, but don't just take my word for it. We'll let the number of sales do the talking 👌
Wu Tang clan sold only one copy of their album for several million, depriving their fandom of an entire album to make a quick buck. Just because someone can doesn't mean they should. Pricing out people is not a good move, morally, or long term through business logic. You're alienating people by making sure they have no option to buy the game. This is only going to increase piracy.
You can be a crazy Nintendo fan if you want, but a rerelease of an old game isn't going to be "successful" like a new game is. Also, your language is entirely deceptive. There's a difference between "becoming the number one selling game" (which it isn't, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is) and "being at the top of the sales list this week in an incredibly slow period of game releases" (which it currently is). The sales numbers for Luigi Mansion 2 HD remake, while being number 1 CURRENTLY, for this week, is still an an incredibly small number in sales (88,425) Freaking Animal Crossing: New Horizons, sold 4 years ago, made 10% of LM2HD's sale this same week. Time will tell whether the release is TRULY successful or not, but when the top three selling games of the week include a 4 year old game and a 7 year old game... using that as a point of success is a bit unreliable.
Nintendo is mistreating Donkey Kong. Instead of making a new game in the Donkey Kong Country series, preferably with the long-awaited return of King K. Rool and the Kremlings, they re-release Donkey Kong Country Returns, a divisive game with disappointing replacement villains, which had already been re-released in 2013 for the Nintendo 3DS. If I were running the DKC franchise, not only would I be giving the series the aforementioned new game with the return of King K. Rool and the Kremlings, but I'd also have Jakks-Pacific give the DKC characters new action figures, particularly Dixie Kong, Funky Kong, King K. Rool, Klump, and Krusha. I saw a hypothetical wave of those figures on Reddit and was very impressed with them, saying I would buy them if they were real.
Game development budget = Game Price. Nintendo already made their money off this. They could price it in a way that's accessible to everyone to gain a wider audience and simultaneously break toxic pricing trends that are plaguing the industry and making it impossible for lower income gamers to play larger games. They could release it for $20 dollars and it would still be a massive success that would cover the porting cost. They charge $60 out of greed.
What a bizarre and totally inept argument. Price is based off of whatever they want it to be. They added nothing new to the games, thus they are more or less selling HD ROMS, which anyone with an emulator could already do themselves. Essentially paying the full price of a current game for a ROM of an old game is incredibly stupid, to put it nicely.
@@MastaKeahi once upon a time HD remaster collections on the PS3 cost around 30 bucks and included 2-3 or more games. Nintendo is monetizing your nostalgia
Just don't buy the game I agree Im so sick of Nintendos pricing.I'm also so done with there games. Sad things is the parents will have to buy for there kids. That's who Nintendos really screwing over are parents.
