Asari "And without us the Turians would have destroyed your species. If we are failures, what does that make you to need our help to continue surviving" If the Asari dedicated themselves full to war, humans wouldn't stand a chance in comparison.
@@TheLastSane1And yet in the face of extermination, with a head start compared to humanity their still playing catch up because of how short sighted and stupid they are.
@@Touriquette No they are much smarter than humans. The difference is that Humans are inherently evil, they love to kill they love to rape and torture and maim its in our nature. We are violent animals with delusions of civility. Asari just are not war-focused. If the Asari dedicated even a little of their time and efforts to war they would surpass us easily. Their goals have been mental and artistic. Put to war even in our own culture artists have created some incredibly horrific things. Most torture devices are "artistic" most weapons have an artistic bent to them. Weapons in humanity are aesthetically pleasing. Look at all modern war planes, they all have that aesthetic look that makes them look beautiful. Now if the Asari dedicated their time to warfare, they could probably come up with things humans couldn't understand especially given their natural talent for biotics that drastically surpass anything humans can do. Humans in Mass Effect are still "big gun go brrrr" more or less.
@@TheLastSane1no, asari are great thinkers. Humans are great doers. No amount of thinking sands up to even an ounce of doing. Additionally the death of each human is the loss of a century of future productivity, the loss of an asari is the loss of a millennia. Even if humans lost a first war, the asari couldn't recover enough to win a second.
@@herrikudo10? They live a thousand years. We were using stone tip spears even a 1000 years ago and even today in some parts of the world. Either way. From the Mass effect perspective we went from wearing heavy play armor and fighting with swords to being a galactic super power in less then 1 of their life times.
A thousand years ago? Are you joking? Did you ever take history? *Spears* were used a thousand years ago, Stone tipped spears have not been used for at least 3@@gabrielm.942
My response would have been "And today, we're exploring space, while you're... exploring space. So what have you been doing since we went from stone tipped spears to space? Oh right losing wars.
The reapers were noted to have much made slower progress on asari worlds due even regular citizens being able to wield biotics, but being slowly crushed under a boot rather than stomped isnt anything to celebrate either way.
The funny part is she proved humans have been perfecting war from a younger age and still managed to catch up with the Asari. She kinda self owned her argument.
"In less than 30 years we've gone from saying our first hello,s to saving your ass from sovereign,the collectors and the reapers heck we even got a seat on your council despite other races being around for centuries waiting" Turns to garrus "give me the speech about why the asari are useful again"
Not necessarily trash talked them, but showed them with words how wrong they were. My shepard used this to off Saren, the Illusive Man, and the Reapers themselves.
That last line from her reminds me of that bit from 2 Broke Girls. "I went to Wharton." "Well, I went to Harvard." "And I went to juvie. And we're all here wearing an apron."
I forget which franchise it was, but there was one were it turns out Humanity is *really good* at killing things. We just turned the creativeness and ingenuity we typically apply against each other towards them instead.
@@thebighurt2495I think that's most of them, partly because that's how it be irl. I remember a collection of sci-fi stories called something like "Warning: Humans". Basically, humans were treated a bit like Rachni, Krogans and Reapers combined. Any time they made it to the Galactic stage on their own, whole races would die. If someone went to poke them, races would die faster. When a powerful race would try to extinct them, _they specifically_ would die _really horribly,_ while each time Humanity would go so far into spite they would knock themselves back to the stone age. So the galactic government just put up big signs warning everyone off from making contact, and just kinda hope we don't make it to space again. Wish I could find it again, but Google searches just give me gibberish lol.
@@vicktorkristofv942 Actually the one I was thinking of was "Danger- Human" by Gordon Dickson. Though "Humans Are Space Orks" sounds like a fantastic read lol.
@@Rhulk_Disciple_of_the_Witness whenever you meet him in game (the first time at early in game and the next few never answer the right side of the circle go for the left ones and check on the renegae or paragon ones My first time got screwed cause i forgot to check the paragon on the first meeting
@@blingwraith6951 Fair point, then again it's a tough situation, she's still way better than the average asari (and i'm not even talking about the Asari politicians, them hiding they had prothean tech nearly destroy all the other species effort to stop the reaper)
Exploring space while we were killing mammoths with spears because they literally got gifted their knowledge by the protheans. And they still need humanity to save them from certain annihilation.
@@starhammer5247 War is a fine art, a craft that we have refined over millennia. While you were busy trotting around the stars, we honed our craft to perfection. Now we're here, you're still playing around with balls of gas, and we have become death itself.
Commander Shepard really is the quintessential scifi action hero chad of our era. Whether you're going paragon, renegade, or a mix of both he's always the baddest motherfucker in the room because he earned it. It's been over a decade and he's still in the top five video game protagonists that are, quite simply, built different.
I agree, and I don't even mean the ones *literally* built different (spartans from Halo), and it's not done off some nebulous thing of "well he's not the baddest motherfucker, he's the 'luckiest'." (the justification for master chief). Another one I'd put for a video game protag that's built different is Isaac Clarke, he's an old man by the time of dead space 3 but he's still going strong.
Asari are still smarter, this is just the dumb old "I have muscles that makes me the better warrior" said the cave man right before some fucker invented the spear.
I mean Shepard’s right when have the Asari ever won. They were unable to beat the Rachni so had the Salarians use the Krogan, then when the Krogans rebeled they went wining to the Turians, fast forward to Mass Effect 3 despite Sovereign’s attack on the Citadel, Shepard’s countless warnings, the Collectors being the Protheans, the beacon they hid from the rest of the galaxy, and add the attack on Earth, Palaven, and Tuchanka how were they not even prepared? They literally had all the time and resources to prepare for the reapers and they wasted it. Edit: I don’t hate the Asari in fact I just hate their leaders the Councilor regardless of choice is completely useless I would think that the most advance alien race in the galaxy would’ve prepared by the time Earth and Palaven were being invaded.
The most "prepared" asari in the game was Aria. With all the hidden bunkers, heavy weapons, pirate fleets and Shepard recruited for her "cause". The Citadel space was too soft to face the ugly truth about both Omega 4 Relay and the Reapers
Galactic unity aids all, but especially Asaris. They're leeches that extract all they can from other species to advance their own, even at the most BASE level--reproduction. It helps that their physiology evolved to the point where they are considered universally attractive to all species.
One of the things that makes me angry about the Asari Matriarchs and their Councilor, is that they could have told Shepard about their Prothean Obelisk much earlier and there is a good possibility that they would have gotten there before the Reapers or Cerberus. They could have had the Catalyst early. But, nooooo, the Asari wanted to keep their little secret almost causing everyone to lose. Really mind blowing that no one mentions that.
That's probably why Liara gets so defensive on Thessia when you bring Javik. She had spent a majority of her young life researching the protheans and even her mother kept this beacon from her. She saw first hand what they're capable of. Even after me2 events. And the asari government had all of this that could have helped and did nothing. I'm excited for her part in the next game.
I think new council after the war will be Human,Krogan,Quarian,Turian and Salarians Asari are out,they hide Prothean beacon from the council and also most important thing for winning the war. If they were told this to the council after the sovereign attack or before, all this war and death in ME3 could have been avoided.
Yes they were, the prothean artifical on Mars is what gave humans the info on how space travel work, Anderson even said the prothean artifact boosted earth's knowledge by 200 years in me1
@@wolfieplays2wolf199 Difference between finding prothethan tech and the protheans literally teaching your people how to make fire, plant crops, form governments to the point your people worshipped them as gods.
@legion6211 Yeah, that's how it goes every cycle. The most advanced ones leave behind clues and add to the catalyst machine each cycle even javik said the protheans learned the same way as the asari they found a bunch of info kept it and made them on top by knowing everything first only thing that made the prothenas speical is there able to read emtions and memorys through the persons dna sturcture, if not the existence and information on how space travel works and how to get to the citidal would just cease to exist and the reapers would have to wait like 100 000 years or more for one of the species to learn from scratch again like the leavations
"We were exploring space -with our element zero that we had on our homeworld- when you were using stone-tipped spears! The Turians are the real badasses, they didn't even have Element Zero in their *home solar system.* They sent out non-FTL colony ships which eventually discovered it and took the technology back to Palaven. Now that's struggle and triumph.
@Dylan Monstrum fr, if you think about it if the asari were to tell everyone about the prothean artifact when the reapers first showed up the vi would've already been in the crucibles systems helping them build it before cerberus would've even known it existed and would've known what the catalyst is before they finished the crucible war over before it started
"My culture was exploring the stars while yours was still using stone-tipped spears!" "And yet we've caught up to you already. How did we manage that? How did we catch up so quickly? I'll let you ponder that while my teammate demonstrates my point for me."
@@scarletempress2652 the answer is "Humanity, Fuck Yeah" or HFY which is a known factor in space opera stories in books and media. You don't know that because you cannot comprehend the idea of the space opera genre.
@@desireless4092 Lmao, oh my god you got way too salty. It’s hilarious. Dude it’s not a big deal. You do realise a space opera could straight up not have humans and still be a space opera? HFY is by no means a requirement for the genre.
@@scarletempress2652 I miss the part where I said that HFY is required. "If this" and "if that" are not constants but only variables that I can see you like to manipulate in order to strawman the argument. I just wanna say that it’s hilarious. Dude it’s not a big deal.
Asari: "The Asari have a culture that was exploring space while you were using stone-tipped spears." Sheperd: "And despite that massive head start, here we are..."
@@clothar23 Asaris were DNA-modified to be like we know them now. Photheans gave them a 1000years lifespan, knowledge, basically giving them the best headstart ever, it's like playing in easy mode while also using cheats.
@@derokdeathaxe6984I headcanon that if Protheans were to be brought forward to present day, they'd probably start yelling. "WHAT have you _idiots_ been _DOING_ for _fifty thousand years!?_ "
Humans lost to the Turians, the only reason they jumped ahead as much as they did was because they where brought into the council and given more alien tech. So all aliens got a massive jump forward in tech. Asari are just not a war centric culture. Humans are like cuddlefish, if left alone too long in too small a space we will eat each other. Asari are not like that and thats why they survive as long out ahead of everyone else. While we were eating each other they where out exploring space. It was only when humans found alien tech and then had people like the Asari step in to stop the Turians from folding the humans like laundry. Humans got where they where because of the Asari, to pretend humans are better just doesn't work.
@@TheLastSane1Both the Asari and the Salarians stopped the Turians from committing Genocide on Humanity. And may I remind you it's been less than a single generation since the First Contact war. There are still Human Veterans of it still kicking it in Shepard's time. Which means in less than a 150 years ( an admittedly one time one off mention Shepard makes about max human lifespan ) Humanity easily takes fourth spot in the entire known Universe. Leap frogging over dozens of other species in the process. It's a lot more than Prothean data that did that mate.
@@clothar23 Yes but they also had access to all the other races technology and a lot of hand ups. It was written that every race basically just picked up Humans and lifted them up while Humans go "I am just so good" like yes Humans are adaptive as fuck and thats our PRIMARY trait that has let us take over this planet and expanded to the universe. We would do very well for sure. But remember this was written by humans for humans, there is a bias.
@@TheLastSane1The Asari got a tech jump, too, so that just puts them at par with us in that category. Meaning, we *both* got a boost and Humanity still caught up.
@@TheLastSane1you're the third person I've seen that's ignoring that the turians had trouble with just Shang-Xi and got absolutely bodied once the actual military showed up.
Its still ironic how humans managed to teach the other species how to do war again. Not to mention shepard and his (or her, for the rest of ye) exploits.
Canonically the first contact war had humanity stun the galaxy. We had developed fighter carrier doctrine from ww2 but the other races stuck to big gun doctrine and focused their navies on dreadnought "battleships". Our strike craft tore the turian fleet to pieces. Our ground forces operate on blitzkrieg tactics as well, with a focus not on advancing the line so much as penetration and hitting logistics and communications. The bulk of enemy fighting forces are left blind and starving as they are enveloped in a cauldron by an inferior force
@@cpob2013 Yup. It's only a wonder that the other species make fun of the Alliance when we literally executed a successful counter-attack against the Turians, and because both sides came to understand the gravity of the situation (ultimately we would lose but we entered the alliance in a position that paved the way for humans gaining more power in the council and even Shepard becoming the first spectre, although it sucked for Anderson cause he was suppose to have a shot lol) it's just the irony. We also make use of drones which is certainly useful for fire and maneuver warfare (blitzkrieg being apart of that) and recon. I loved the background lore in Mass Effect, especially the first game, and I was a little bored with ME3 but overall I hope the next game picks up where we left off, and humanity continues to improve.
@@cpob2013Our carrier concept was pushed to the forefront when the Council wanted humanity to abide by their dreadnought treaty where each major race could only have a certain amount per ratio(that already speaks heavily for the alliance as they didn't even have an embassy yet and the treaty was mostly for the council races since they were the only ones capable of fielding dreadnoughts). For political reasons the alliance agreed, but took one look at the citadel fleet and said "Bet". They doubled their number of carriers because it's hard for an enemy dreadnought to line up a shot when it's getting fucked down by 300+ fighters and bombers. There's two reasons why the other races knew they wouldn't want to mess with humanity at the end of the day; our insane ability to adapt and our near limitless ingenuity.
@@weaselwolf8425also we're the only species that can execute long range rapid strategic infantry maneuvers because to my knowledge the others don't sweat, which is a necessity. Turians are avian, they can't release heat as efficiently so any infantry unit would have a significantly smaller operational range.
And where would the humans be if the Asari had not stepped in to broker peace with the Turians (who were crushing humanity at that time). Humans are too war centric to survive without aid and Asari are not war centric virtually at all. So yes in a galactic fight humans would fair better with Asari tech at their side than an Asari on their own. At least if the Asari didn't dedicate a lot of time on warfare.
@@TheLastSane1 No hate to Asari, but if your species was basically spoon fed technology and was literally prepared to be the next great power by the Protheans you should be curbstomping the reapers, and yet they have never progressed beyond what was given to them, Asari are the definition of a trust fund baby, all the style but zero hunger
@@JM-mh1pp Not accurate at all. They were spoon fed, which meant they were controlled. I get the human supremacist trope but its literally all bullshit.
@@TheLastSane1the turians had trouble with a simple colony defense force and got absolutely bodied by a proper military force I doubt anything other than sheer numbers would allow them victory.
Yeah the asari legitimately got uplifted from stone age all the way to space travel, they did nothing by themselves. Humans at the very least got to space travel by themselves and they didn't have space magic or millennia long lifespans. Without the protheans it's questionable if the asari would've even figured out agriculture or stone tipped spears to begin with.
@@PeachDragon_ i don't know if it is canon, but there was a side mission in ME3 where you found a colony on alpha centauri from survivors from a lost expedition pre-mass relays, and i think it was even pre-mars archive, so humans legitimately got to INTERSTELLAR space travel on their own. Humans would have been the speardhead of the next cycle, had we taken literally only 1 more century to find and activate the charon relay, the reapers would have completly ignored a system with a dorman relay.
"The asari have a culture that was exploring space while your people were using stone-tipped spears!" "And today we're on the same level. Does that mean humans are just better, or does it mean that asari are just stupid?"
Shepard said that to point out she forgot about the game, he's pointing out her flaw, that she got distracted despite being so advanced by people who used stone tipped spears, wasn't a "well played", it was more him saying if your so smart then why are you still talking to me sort of thing
That culture got as far as it did by being the favourite pets of the protheans. Not to mention the fact that pointing out humans went from hunting with stone tipped spears to being your equal so quickly is a real self own
Thinking on it yeah in most of the wars the games mention it was the Krogan, Turians and even the Salarians that were mainly fighting the wars for the Asari. Humanity’s military might is already a match or challenge for the Turians despite only being in the wider galaxy for less than a century.
"My kind were exploring the stars rhile yours were still using stone tipped spears." "Yes, we were using stone tipped spears. But we were still using them to win wars. We wiped out another, stronger, species of humans before we even discovered agriculture. When have the asari ever beaten another species on that level?"
I love the way asari are portrayed. When they're first introduced they're all so wise and dignified - a species with a lifespan of thousands of years, with superior intelligence and magical abilities! Imagine what they can achieve! And next thing you see they're just shaking their asses in bars.
“My people were exploring space while your race was still using stone tipped spears” What I WISH was the response was shepherd saying something along the lines of “From then till now we have joined you in space. How far have you gotten since then?”
I mean, the Asari exploring space while humanity was still primitive isn’t really a flex. Once humanity became capable of space exploration at that level all the other races became wary of them. Humanity has the strongest military force in the galaxy aside from maybe the Turians. The Krogan are probably the most skilled individual warriors, but their numbers are too few and they’re too divided to be a threat against the galaxy’s super powers. The Asari have everything going for them, they’re natural biotics, they’re a long lived species, and hold the most political power, yet still rely on every other species to do their dirty work. As Nihilus said in ME1, many species believe humanity to be dangerous, as they are too independent. In other words, they won’t take any BS that the council races try to feed them.
you know, when you think about it Asari have a massive problem because they are so long lived and because of that they are very conservative, no replacement, no new ideas, no change. Entire humanity went from bronze age to starships in two Asari generations. From our point of view they are standing still
How come Asari are considered so powerful? Turians have the best military, Salarians best science, Krogan best individual warriors, and humans are the best all around. Asari have top biotics, yet their military forces always seem to lose in places like the Ardat Yakshi Monastery and Thessia. Even Aria needed shepherd to cement control of the merc gangs and retake Omega. Forget wars, do the Asari even win battles??
Short answer; no. Long answer; the asari have always relied on other species to win. Their commandos are supposedly good at hit and run tactics and recon. That might win a few skirmishes and battles but it doesn't always win wars. They needed the krogan/salarians to beat the rachni. They needed the turians to beat the krogan. And in this very instance they needed the humans to defeat the geth, collectors, and reapers. A seasoned asari Commando could reasonably take on a squad grunts, but up against a whole platoon that also has biotics, trained in guerrilla warfare, and good logistics is another matter. They have to pick their battles carefully.
Lmao, her culture is the most advanced in every way but they got their asses kicked in every war. The citadel when sovereign attacked, the Racnni,Krogan and then the Reapers destroyed Illium and Thessia like it was nothing.
For the last her argument , after Thessia mission, he could say that everything they (asari) was made thanks to Prothean VI, now that’s would be a great comeback from which she would not recover
I thought it was him saying the Asari should move over because like every other war it won’t be because of you but another species your allied with that wins the war
Asari: Have been prepared by Protheans with beacons and technology to get ready for the Reaper Invasion. They were exploring space, while humans were still using bows and arrows. Also Asari: Their capital planet gets taken over by the Reapers faster than Poland smallest village.
Wait this made realise that the Asari are sort of a Mary Sue race 😂. They really haven’t won any major conflict without help from other races. Their military forces while powerful aren’t as large as the Korgan or as coordinated and cohesive as Turians and humans. They really do suck 😅
Don't forget how the Protheans basically coddled them and helped them develop and evolve a lot faster then everyone else, first by pretending to be their goddess and then leaving behind a beacon (hell if I remember right they're also the main reason they're naturally good biotics). They were basically in lore chosen to be the Mary Sue race.
@@quantras2673 Although you could argue that their ability for diplomacy is notable. They seem to be able to get 'along' with everyone and can 'integrate' well into other societies.
“My people have a culture that was exploring the stars while you were using stone-tipped spears.” Yeah, and your culture basically stagnated after finding the Citadel meanwhile it took humanity like 30 years to become the most powerful non-council species and 4 years after that to basically become the most dominant of all the galaxy’s species.
