Nooooooooooooo - LG Gram + View Monitor (2022)

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LG released a couple new Gram Laptops and a new portable monitor, but it seems that LG may be getting a bit too confident as their pricing creeps higher and higher… Is the LG Gram still an easy recommendation, or should you save your money and get something different?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:00 Picking the Best One
2:40 The 2 in 1
3:40 The IO
5:20 Sponsor - Vessi
5:50 Andy, Can I Get a Microfiber
6:45 A Problematic Keyboard
9:50 The Good
11:00 Comparing Speakers
12:33 Disappointing Display
13:50 Spec Breakdown
16:09 Wasted Space
16:50 What Can I Say?
17:21 The External Display
18:02 Outro

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@elvere31 Год назад

7:39 Alex: "The problem is that as I press different keys some of them are terrible, like u" Me: 😞

@brokenacoustic Год назад

hahaawwww

@misterwj1536 Год назад

No no no… not me, U

@steelfox1448 Год назад

Happy someone else noticed

@dnz_k Год назад

Meme classic right there :D

@horstseehofer7130 Год назад

Same :D

@MitgliedT5 Год назад

I love the story going from "in my opinion, the keyboard is terrible" over "actually it is my subjective perspective and it is not so bad " to "I WAS RIGHT IT IS TERRIBLE AND I CAN PROVE IT" The new Lab is a real treat for consumer decision making, because i actually thought "maybe Alex has really high standards" and now i know it is objectively justified

@iHasCaek Год назад

seems like horst types on some horrible keyboards and just got used to it :P

@nicka5040 Год назад

@@iHasCaek I mean Apple had their butterfly keyboard fiasco for several years... lol. Keyboards also imo have always been one of Apple's weak points. For machines that always are top-notch with hardware user-interface (speakers, screens, touchpad, etc) their keyboards have always been disappointing.

@nikkoa.3639 Год назад

@@iHasCaek He lives the sims 2 life

@PaveMentman Год назад

--- No-no, he specifically said "the keyboard sound from The Sims One (1)" with the accompanying video-clip from the game and sounds. ---

@Raja995mh33 Год назад

@@nicka5040 imo the butterfly keyboard itself was actually great. It was nice to type on, felt well etc. Its only issue was simply that it had TERRIBLE durability. That was a gigantic issue that they never were able to fix but the typing experience by itself was great imo.

@Formulka Год назад

The speaker comparison with the MacBook was hilarious.

@handlemonium Год назад

TWENTY ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.......I could buy a top-spec Asus G14 on deep discount (happens 6 months after reaching shelves every year) and a RTX 4060 to upgrade my eGPU box or a decent 27-inch 144hz 4K monitor with $100 left over for bunch of LTTstore accessories.

@SCRNSH0T Год назад

@@handlemonium ouch that’s a pretty brutal comparison, even throw in a MX master and you’re still under

@Malc180s Год назад

@@handlemonium So you could buy 3 things instead of the laptop you actually want to buy? Macbooks are just better these days.

@JudaZuk_ Год назад

sure but who ever uses speakers on the laptop ...ever? Could not care less about the speakers.. what is inexcusable however for that price is the horrible build quality and screen ..

@DanielLopez-yy4ed Год назад

@@JudaZuk_ speakers are a must have

@BakedCookiesallday Год назад

How does Jonathan survive at LTT 🤣🤣

@SuSa13182 Год назад

How is it called? I looked and could not spot it

@AllemandInstable Год назад

@@SuSa13182 "am I becoming an Apple hater ?" or something close to that if I remember correctly

@defnotatroll Год назад

@@hebbocake isn't that his job tho? He runs an apple specific channel

@bhume7535 Год назад

@@hebbocake thats why they hired him lol. wouldn't say he is a clown though, he seems like a good dude.

@Google_Does_Evil_Now Год назад

Johnathon is a Fanboy. So he just turns up his fan at the burns. :-)

@veishmenchrish3427 Год назад

Linus looks and sounds more like alex everyday

@pkumar186 Год назад

Yeah ik right ,..I thought so too

@dduay Год назад

Or Alex is the real Linus?

@HerbaMachina Год назад

East Coast Canadians are infectious 😈

@matthewptr_ Год назад

They're merging into one

@ryansykes4991 Год назад

Linex tech tips

@Turnabout Год назад

I'd pay $1000 to see Alex in a full contact karate match with Horst

@castortoutnu Год назад

I feel like Horst would get karate-chopped in half. I'm not saying Alex looks incredibly strong, just that Horst looks incredibly fragile

@brandonlight621 Год назад

Need a full LLT staff kumite like in Bloodsport!!! Floatplane exclusive!!!

@EwanLim Год назад

-looks at his bank acc- I'd pay $250. If Dwayne Johnson was the referee then i'm willing to drop $1250 in total. If DJ and Steve Austin coached them in Karate, which will be hilarious, I'd have to see how much I have at that point of time and just drop it all.

@rascalguy60 Год назад

These laptops look like they’re 650 dollar laptops at bestbuy.

@ivpxs Год назад

STOP hating Jonathan 😡😡😡

@SuperMelon2008 Год назад

yup, exactly my experience with keyboard - TERRIBLE. It is good to know that these guys are actually care about telling the legit experience - not selling the crap. Thank you!

@PrimePixelYoutube Год назад

I wouldnt say it is like that all the time. Sometimes they dont do their research too much to the point where they dont even bother and just dont point it out

@bao1964 Год назад

@PrimePixel because this is supposed to be a unbox / first impression channel?

@Gamer-nc8qp Год назад

İ have a 2018 gram and love it.

@SuperMelon2008 Год назад

@@Gamer-nc8qp I use to have Gram 17" 2019 - it was great except keyboard and touchpad. Unfortunatelly after some time some keys pretty much stopped working. Now I'm using Dell XPS and it is completely different story - there's really no comparison where it comes to quality of the keyboard and touchpad.

@brucepreston3927 Год назад

@@SuperMelon2008 The Dell XPS is deff a good one...I hate using most laptops but my girl has an XPS and I don't mind using it when I have to...

@TBonerism Год назад

Their black friday pricing should be the normal pricing because of how atrocious those prices are

@fl4shb4ckGaming Год назад

I'm sorta betting that's their intent. Price high to bring price down for sales (looks like a great deal! I'll take 8!) .. Then after the suckers have been had, drop the pricing.

@NissocoMC Год назад

@@fl4shb4ckGaming thats actually genius

@superchessmachine Год назад

At costco this laptop is 1200 dollars usually

@StolenJoker84 Год назад

Personally, I think even their Black Friday prices are too high - considering the specs and apparent build quality. If I’m paying over $1000 for a laptop, they should at least have a dedicated GPU or a high end CPU. Something. Not an i5 with no GPU, basic specs for RAM and storage, and that deck flex … ugh. My laptop was around $700. 5th gen Ryzen 7, 16GB of upgradable RAM, 500GB of upgradable storage, touchscreen, loud ass B&O speaker system …

@NissocoMC Год назад

@@StolenJoker84 HP?

@ThomasZachary Год назад

I just have to comment on this. I have an LG Gram 17 - 11gen i7 model. I think it's the 2021 model. I bought it on sale from Costco for about $1300 out the door with tax. I'm a software engineer and I figured I'd give it a try and take it back if I didn't like it. I love it! The keyboard is fine. The screen is gloss and wish it was matt like the newer Grams (but it's not a deal breaker -- you just adjust the screen angle). I've been using it daily for about 12 months -- no issues. The battery routinely lasts around 6 hours of continuous use. The speakers are not very loud. The CPU is plenty fast for productivity and some light gaming (Diablo3, Valorant). And I'm gaming on the battery! It came with a 500gb high speed NVMe SSD and I added another 980gb NVMe SSD for less than $100 to the second drive slot. If this machine dies and I can't fix it.. I'll immediately go out and buy another one. And yes.. the weight is a game changer.. I pick it up with one hand while it's open like it's nothing.

@tusharbhudia9421 Год назад

Facts

@fabz1509 2 месяца назад

So over the top drama & awful review I just watched. I think yours is more reasonable. Thanks

@joaocastel-branco1859 Месяц назад

@@fabz1509 Yes, it is dramatic for that price. I bought mine Gram 17 for 900 euros a year ago. Great PC for the price...

@jg54sayaka11 Год назад

8:04 I love these types of easter eggs. Props to you, editor of this video.

@simbatech65 Год назад

Has anyone ever used a Kensington lock? Even in college I've never seen one used once but every laptop seems to have it.

@IIIIIIIlII Год назад

I believe it’s more business focused. I’ve traveled a ton for work, and have seen many call centers who have laptops and docks Kensington locked to the desk.

@WhiteBoyGamer Год назад

often public offices use them like the dmv as an example. also stores ofc use them. they propably cost like 3 cent the manufacturer at this point. not much of a feature for private citizens

@Sinmyfountain Год назад

I've used it at work (I teach at a language school), not many times though. It's been more of a safety precaution when there are training sessions, and a bunch of people going in and out.

@MLGPRO-dx8fg Год назад

I've seen it a lot in business settings as well, but not consumer space, even in schools.

@mto7429 Год назад

Saw it being used at DHL

@alistairblaire6001 Год назад

Man that build quality is something I'd expect out of $600 so a "from $1500" msrp is pretty shocking.

@qers Год назад

My $600 2 in 1 has significantly better build quality than that. It's embarrassing LG let this out of their factory at all.

@StealthyJim Год назад

My Asus Zenbook 14 that only cost me a bit over $500 has way better build quality. The flex and key quality on these LGs is something I'd only call acceptable on a bottom tier budget model from Dell, HP, etc.

@ghostnike901 Год назад

I've seen $200 chromebooks with better quality

@StealthyJim Год назад

@Bzake It can be light without that amount of keyboard flex. A couple plastic support posts between the mobo and battery would massively reduce flex with no discernible weight increase. And there is just no excuse at all for the key height and force differences. That is just 100% shoddy QA.

@thomgizziz Год назад

@@qers Gram is all about being light. You have to make compromises like the light, fast, cheap triangle. There are constraints and the old LG grams don't feel rock solid because they want them to be light.

@kazumakiryu77 Год назад

Truly one of the titles of all time

@jg54sayaka11 Год назад

factual

@damnkris Год назад

yeeeeeeessssssssssss

@thomgizziz Год назад

Overplayed and unoriginal meme comment. The title is all around better than your hack job.

@futur3sn0w Год назад

I love how even without headphones, you can tell how drastic the difference between the Macbook and the Gram’s speakers 😂

@egerlachca Год назад

I'm wearing bone conduction headphones and I could tell the difference was night and day.

@Rainbow_Atlas Год назад

Yeah, I'm watching this on the built in speakers on my 9 year old thinkpad and I could tell the drastic difference...

@JingkaiKuang Год назад

Would a gram user be able to tell the difference while watching this video on the gram😅

@fedegiove Год назад

@@JingkaiKuang well, I am on my Gram, but I don't want to disconnect my bluetooth neckband 🤣

@dsofe4879 Год назад

I wouldn't pay $1000 for this. What were they thinking?

@michaeltagor4238 Год назад

"we could sell these to the dumbasses that know jack sh*t about laptops!" and apparently everyone else goes "HELL YEAH THAT'S AN AMAZING IDEA! WOOHOO!"

@tiestofalljays Год назад

I’d maybe pay $300 for this. Although, even chromebooks at that price have working keyboards.

@Anankin12 Год назад

@@tiestofalljays well come on, 300$ is less than what you'd pay for that screen and the storage alone. That said, anything above 800$ is thievery.

@cfilorvyls457 Год назад

@@Anankin12 I can find Ryzen 7 laptop from asus for as cheap as $500. This laptop literally got no place in the market.

@Anankin12 Год назад

@@cfilorvyls457 ryzen 7 from what generation tho Also where, I need one

@Thegalexg Год назад

I guess one of the best selling points of the Gram lineup - is the weight. Have you compared it to the other models with similar processors?! It’s very thin and lightweight. Even 17 inch model weighs like 1.4 kilos, or something. XPS 15 starts at like 2 kilos. In laptops that’s a very big difference! When you carry it around on a trip, or something - heavy laptops quickly become a really big inconvenience.

@TonyMacina Год назад

But Samsung Galaxy Book, HP Pavilion Aero and a couple of the Lenovo Slim models are nearly as light and all seem to have better build and better prices.

@AstoundingAmelia Год назад

I can imagine for someone who does air travel alot it might be worth it

@Thegalexg Год назад

@@TonyMacina Yes, those are all quit good options as well. But LG Gram is at 1.3 kg for a 17 inch model (just double-checked, whereas for example Galaxy Book is slightly heavier at 15.6 inch model... LG's 15/6 model is 1.1 kg at a comparable price. HP's Aero - is a 13 inch laptop, hence battery size, screen size etc. If I was aiming at ultra-compact and lightweight - it would be a good option probably. Or Mac Book Air M2 is probably even a better one, regarding screen size and batter capacity to performance ratio! And weight aside yes, it comes down to personal preferences and available deals...

@thomgizziz Год назад

@@TonyMacina At 17 inches? No. If you value lightness above all then you are willing and required to make compromises. How is everybody surprised by this and just assume that another pound is fine for everybody. Just because your glasses work for you doesn't mean they work for everybody.

@xY-ZUTH Год назад

This is point

@inzaint Год назад

I never think I've really seen Horst and Alex interact one to one but it works really really well, please try that out more often

@Tandy625 Год назад

Alex is in high demand, but I love his shortcircuits always exactly what I want to know. And him and Horst have a fun dynamic. Please more of this!!! Lol

@marearp Год назад

How do you compare the flexibility of the chassis of a 1kg laptop to a 2kg chunk of aluminum that costs twice the price? (they hiked the price but anyway the point about the price stands) I have a Gram from 2019 (in part I followed your recommendation and it was a great choice for me). The screen is wobbly and the flexibility of the chassis is noticeable if you try, but both aspects that don't affect me once I've begin to work on the thing because it really doesn't affect the usability. Those aspects could improve but I don't think is a logic comparison. It's a shame that they fucked up the new versions.

@pickypenelope Год назад

I still have my 2018 Gram, and still love it (first time I've ever kept a laptop for four years). It, like this one, was overpriced, but it hit the sweet spot for what I wanted to prioritize (lightest weight possible, great battery life, and expandable memory and storage). I'm kind of glad that LG hasn't really improved on the original Gram, because my temptation to shell out the inflated amount of money they want for the new ones to replace my trusty 2018 is non-existent. Thanks LG.

@2000leonel Год назад

same for me, an amazing decision my back thanks while carrying it every single day to university without a worry in my mind. These are laptops that are meant to be carried, to perform basic tasks (I even use it for lightroom, adobe illustrator, play some light games no problem), have a good battery life, decent screen and decent trackpad. 4 years and going, no need for any upgrade in the close future, maybe only a battery replacement down the line.

@tusharbhudia9421 Год назад

I still want a new one, nothing wrong with mine from 2019. It's working great. I know it will be great and I don't want any other laptop

@freaky2xd Год назад

I recently got the 14 inch 2021 model for 750 bucks. Sure it's 11th Gen instead of the new one, but considering it's the i7 1TB 16GB RAM model it was an amazing deal. The build quality is definetly sub 1000 dollars. The screen is alright, though not that bright, 1080p+ resolution is fine for working on it as long as you don't need many pixels. I really wish they would add better speakers and better cooling at the expense of a little more weight. The speakers are awful, they even sound worse because they're on the bottom. The CPU gets thermal limited very easily in multi threaded tasks, and because there's not much mass for the heat to escape to the fans have to start spinning very early, they're not loud during normal use but still audible.

@zdream720 Год назад

where did you find that awesome deal?

Год назад

dude nice

@freaky2xd Год назад

@@zdream720 It was an Amazon Warehouse listing, you basically get a new product, new warrenty, opened/broken packaging and the small risk of missing accessories but in return a big discount, in my case I was lucky because I got an additional -10%

@chetan_naik Год назад

I have bought 16 inch 2021 model on amazon India at a good discount. I find keyboard layout very inconvenient I don't use dedicated numpad I feel they have spoiled the regular kb trying to squeez-in a numpad. The touchpad is awful, it doesn't recognize taps many a times in some parts of touchpad. My biggest fear is fast degrading battery, the battery capacity has degraded by almost 10% in just 2 months from 80K mWh to 73K mWh. They have really used substandard battery. Unfortunately, I have exceeded the return window and can't return it.😟

@flybriur Год назад

I recently got the 2021 LG Gram 14" inch 2-in-1 i7, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD open box brand new condition with full manufacturer warranty through BuyDig for just under $500.

@17arando Год назад

Actually that portable monitor is amazing and probably the coolest thing on that table. I have it. Crazy bright, 16inch 16:10 aspect ratio, good colours, there's practically nothing else on the market that can match it. I pair it with my MacBook Pro 16 and I have a two monitor workstation that fits in a single laptop sleeve. It's 🔥 Edit: Just got to the end and realised that they did get to it. Since they don't know, I'll tell you, it's practically unmatched in terms of specs and the pricing is very reasonable for what it is. Most portable monitors are dim, require two cables, have weak colours and nearly all of them are smaller and have a standard aspect ratio. It's practically a unicorn. For people always in an office they probably don't understand what a godsend that product is for anyone who travels a lot but it's easily my favourite tech purchase in the last 10 years

@17arando Год назад

(To be fair, my work bought my MacBook, the MacBook Pro 14 & 16 with M1 are pretty much painfully perfect. As a Linux fanboy I like to hate Apple and Microsoft both so I find it distressing how much I love that laptop)

@joshuaeah Год назад

The gram+ view is nice, but I found a deal on Aliexpress with better specs and pricing. 16" 2560x1600 @ 130Hz for around ~$80... BOE 16" 165Hz capable panels with sRGB 100%. I ended up buying two. Using them now and they're great.

@thomgizziz Год назад

@@17arando Right. Pretending to be one kind of fanboi to actually fanboi about the thing you are a fanboi to give it more gravitas. SAD

@17arando Год назад

@@joshuaeah I've never tried the AliExpress route, but if you got that kind of deal I'm about to change that

@17arando Год назад

@@thomgizziz Mate I have 4 computers, 1 is Chromebook with Linux Dev environment, 1 runs popos, the other runs manjaro. only 1 is a Mac and I didn't pay for it, it's my work laptop. Chill

@randomname9050 Год назад

4 mins in and I already appreciate the tiny details the editor put in in this video. Also it's really fun to have another host drop in occassionally to give their input

@thomgizziz Год назад

If by "their input" you mean a fanboi rant that tries to excuse the shortcomings of a product they irrationally worship then okay, i guess.

@shidosensei. Год назад

I was blown away when he said $2,100 but was even more blown away when he shows you the insane chassis wobbling

@xY-ZUTH Год назад

Anyone can make a heavy, rigid, unshakable keyboard. LG is not a fool. This is an attempt to make the screen bigger and lighter like a cell phone.

@AchiragChiragg 11 месяцев назад

It's less than 1 kg. Hard to make a sturdy chassis at that weight.

@saulodetarsosobral2199 11 месяцев назад

@@AchiragChiragg magnesium alloy with stands at even intervals

@TechnoLadz Год назад

I like how they correct the size at 4:12, but when they show the IO at 4:18 onwards it says 15”, not 16”

@grombrindle Год назад

Getting backups to claims from the lab makes this video very valuable. Having both pieces of data (measured key variance and subjective experience) side by side helps make better informed decisions.

@thomgizziz Год назад

The objective and subjective conclusions on macbook keyboards are mostly positive. I hate them. So those observations are completely useless for me and there are many others like me. Things like keyboards are heavily subject to personal preference and taking a reviewers word on how it feels is usually a bad idea. Also keyboard feel is usually blow out of proportion just to reinforce preconceived biases for or against a preferred brand it usually isn't a deal breaker.

@kmikkelsen Год назад

Love the candid re iew backed up by product test. Very helpful customer advice. Great balance between entertaining yet professional factual test.

@xiongh2001 Год назад

Personally I like the fact that the screen is non-touch on the ones that aren't 2-in-1, it keeps the screen fingerprint free. On the 2-in-1 it works since you can use it in tablet mode. The external display seems to be priced the same as some 4k external displays while only being QHD.

@fl4shb4ckGaming Год назад

To me, it doesn't make sense for laptops (at least mid to high end ones) to not be touch screen. If you don't wanna use it, then don't. But I know that that'll never be the case and its a way for manufacturers to charge $200 more for a $10 screen module. Just wish more laptops offered the choice. I've learned to love the touchscreen feature on mine. It gets used more than my touchpad, especially when book keeping, spreadsheets, etc.

@stephengere3937 Год назад

@@fl4shb4ckGaming honestly this. I'm looking for a new laptop right now and a touchscreen is a MUST

@thomgizziz Год назад

Yeah keeps them fingerprint free, unless you touch it which people tend to do. Also you could just not touch the touch screen if you don't like fingerprints. All you are trying to do is put a general negative in a positive category to satiate some desire to reinforce your bias about touchscreens. The only practical reason not to have one is price and weight everything else is just you feeling instead of thinking.

@AdriaOliSal Год назад

I remember getting an LG Gram two years ago and returning it just after a week due to the horrible speakers. They were so bad, so tinny, and had such a low volume that I felt like i needed to always use headphones. Nowadays I daily drive a MacBook Pro, in part, because of the speakers.

@bencze465 Год назад

if only they would be an option to run with windows or linux

@PerplexedPhoton Год назад

I never realized how awful 99% of laptop speakers were until I got a MacBook. Now I take it for granted and whenever I hear any of my friends' Windows laptops I have to really try and not laugh out loud. I just don't understand how Windows laptops are so bad in this regard, surely some decent speakers can't be that hard to figure out and implement into their larger chassis. My phone has better speakers than my gf's massive gaming laptop, and when the fans are cranked they're inaudible.

@fl4shb4ckGaming Год назад

@@PerplexedPhoton There are some decent ones. The XPS coming to mind. Lenovo has had some that were decent. But to this day the Macbook is still the standard

@Fay7666 Год назад

@@PerplexedPhoton It's not a priority for most laptops. Especially for the really large ones (where one would thing the space means it comes for free). I had a ThinkPad P70 once and one lf the few things I did was put one of my favorite songs, cranked it up, and... was terribly disappointed in how shit it was, even compared to some mid-level laptops from some friends. Used headphones afterwards even at home. MacBook Pro is the gold standard, but there's still some other laptops like the XPS line that do a decent job. The real trick though is not to care about the laptops speakers to the point where you overspent, just get a Bluetooth speaker.

@Priyajit_Ghosh Год назад

@@PerplexedPhoton It's really suprising that my Asus AMD Advantage Gaming Laptop has really good speaker that's easily comparable to Macbook. Gaming laptops have bad reputation about having bad sound and display but it completely destroys that notion with it's 100% DCIP-3 1440p 165Hz display and damn great sound, despite being cheaper than it's competetors.

@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Год назад

It's really cool how the writers can now just send off hardware to LTT labs for testing, meaning they can focus more on just USING the device and giving us the rundown on the UX. It's like combining what's great about MKBHD with what's great about Hardware Unboxed.

@ken_bekov Год назад

I love the honest and direct instruction you gave at the end of the review: don't by it if it's not on sale. That's all I needed to know about this laptop. Thank you for saving my time and money! 😊

@deathbyzen Год назад

Coincidentally just purchases the 2-in1 for a an older user in a corp environment. It was one of the only machines I thought of when he stated his requirements: 17 inch screen, light, and a 2-in-1. He's older, hence the larger screen request and travels a lot hence the lightweight + 2-in-1 requirement (cramped space in airplanes). Hopefully he likes it despite its shortcomings.

@thomgizziz Год назад

Everything has shortcomings. You can't have everything you want in anything.

@A4orce84 Год назад

Disappointed we didn't talk about Windows Modern Standby in this one. Overall, nice job Alex (and Jonathan)!

@thomgizziz Год назад

And what is your personal problem with windows modern standby? You don't really have one do you? You heard somebody talk about it and you just went with what they said because you are being led around with nary an orginal thought in your head.

@rurrer Год назад

@@thomgizziz hell are you on about

@Flick2446 Год назад

More of these reviews please! I feel like laptop reviews have been lacking!

@philgavac6270 Год назад

Good video Alex, loved the banter with Jonathan. Hope you review every laptop after using the 16" MacBook, or at least have it alongside for quick comparison. :)

@LexFez Год назад

Have the last gen Gram17 and love it. Very portable, great battery, nice typing, good ports, fast. Downsides? Screen reflections can be annoying and it would be nice to have media controls on the keyboard, but hardly dealbreakers.

@ritviksapra1368 Год назад

These videos are just top notch in quality now. The video editing, the sponsors, scripting... everything is amazing in these videos now. Linus and team has done a great job!

@jblackimages Год назад

I bought two of the LG Gram + Views for my XPS 17 when I'm traveling to mimic my 49" ultra wide at home. A bit bougee, I know, but they're pretty toight and handy.

@TheRealCSB Год назад

I love how Horst always just pops in assesses what's going on gives a little quip and dips out haha

@thomgizziz Год назад

Yeah random is funny. Give more random. Ha ha funny.

@p5eudo883 Год назад

Thanks for saying it like it is. Love the raw reactions and follow-up clips to clarify the accuracy of the initial reaction.

@mcvicar302 Год назад

This is why I love all of LTT's channels!!! HONESTY!!!

@7techno77 Год назад

I watched this on my lg gram 17in 2021. I just got it for little over 800 Sunday. i7, 512gb. I'm really liking it so far. Huge screen, super light, nice display. I think I even watched the last video they did a few days ago, lol.

@squidstar111 Год назад

Yep, seems he didn't do any research at all when he says they hadn't done anything since 2018 lol

@sebastienboisvert8561 Год назад

Seeing the FlexSeal ball cap makes me want to see Alex use FlexSeal for cooling something

@instinct-8991 Год назад

Weird question: Does a pot warm up faster if you smear thermal paste on the bottom?

@trentonellerman4085 Год назад

"Oh wow it's a laptop that will actually work with external displays" That's a lotta damage

@medokn99 Год назад

Nooooooooooooo

@845H1R Год назад

I had a 10th gen 17 Gram and upgraded to 11th gen. I use headphones or wireless buds so dont care about the speakers and I normally use a wireless keyboard so dont care about the keyboard (although I've never encountered the issues discussed in this video). I love taking this thing from room to room and in my backpack for a commute. I would like to upgrade to the 12th gen at some point because the glossy display does get annoying sometimes but the colours have always been great. Would have liked the option to pay more for a gpu option though. If I have the cash I'd get a XPS 17 but those are a galaxy away in terms of price. However LG do over charge and when new gen come out the old gen do get some crazy reductions in price which is when is the best time to purchase.

@ChechoGoto Год назад

1:40 These guys, love the hosts and vid editors combo! Thanks guys, I think there's tech in my laughs hahaha

@jarretthornsby7332 Год назад

I went through about 5 of these laptops last year - some had keyboard inconsistencies (the shift key would run on one of the edges). Also I ran into issues with the sleep functions (windows 10) where the new network card would randomly wake the computer and it would stay idling while closed. I needed to change the function of closing the laptop from sleep to hibernate to fix this.

@khakers2.099 Год назад

TBF huge amounts of windows laptops have the same exact issue with modern standby being various degrees of broken.

@NissocoMC Год назад

@@khakers2.099 oems should learn how to implement it properly. Dell does an excellent job

@thomgizziz Год назад

Im calling BS on going through 5 of those laptops last year.

@jarretthornsby7332 Год назад

@@thomgizziz 👍

@jarretthornsby7332 Год назад

@@khakers2.099 Wow you are right on, finally hearing about this from all over. LTT JUST made a video on this topic, I thought it was a computer issue!

@Alias_Anybody Год назад

These super shiny, super reflective lacquer surfaces look super cool - for approximately 10 seconds till it comes into contact with anything even slightly greasy leaving fingerprints and smears. Or, God forbid, anything made of metal or harder plastic leaving super obvious scratches.

@thomgizziz Год назад

Yep and some people actually like how it looks. Do you feel everybody has to like what you like or that your opinions are objective?

@Alias_Anybody Год назад

@@thomgizziz I just said it's usually a pain in the ***. Are you triggered by that simple statement?

@triforce2022 Год назад

The keyboard flex there is insane, that would drive me insane if I had to deal with that

@FabiVoltair Год назад

I'd love to see more of that external Display, need one for doing work

@kevinedward118 Год назад

You were spot on. I bought one of these 2022 grams, and sure enough the keyboard crapped out within the first hour!!! Only half the space key worked! Sure does seem the cut corners.

@UltimateByte 10 месяцев назад

You now can get the 32GB 1TB SSD for around 1200€, while to have an equivalent at Dell it's more like 2200€. So despite their little issues, these are definitely interesting.

@m4nc1n1 Год назад

I love my 2020 LG Gram 16Z90P 16". I installed a 2TB m.2 in the second slot!

@Malsher Год назад

The 16Z90P was actually the 2021 model, and I still prefer mine too over the new 17" 2022 model (I have both)

@kizuati Год назад

I really like the recents vids with Jonathan coming in to annoy the host

@probablemisclick Год назад

Alex talking a stress reducer.

@mplovecraft Год назад

Not if you are LG

@mmmhorsesteaks Год назад

I bought this and it's really nice actually. You can comfortably pick it up by one corner thanks to the light-weight magnesium construction. It's super light and portable for a 17incher, has a ton of ports compared to most other laptops these days. The only thing that lets it down is win11 which will have to shape up pretty quickly or it's getting replaced by Linux mint.

@alastairthefan7384 Год назад

i’m going going home now i need need a a break so that we we don’t get a lot tof the the day we go go home to get a drink or or go home and go home to go home and watch it and watch the movie but but then again it’s a good day day to be be happy i guess until tomorrow up ur your username so we we we can get a a break from the day to the year ûyuhmmmm and we will get back together together again again we will get 😅poa😊ohio t😅😅h an dc oh

@toatoa10 Год назад

bought it to run linux on it so I'm smooth sailing ;)

@mmmhorsesteaks Год назад

@@toatoa10 Splendid! Which distro if I may ask? Anything to remark about the installation process? I might have to make the switch as well...

@toatoa10 Год назад

@@mmmhorsesteaks just arrived last night so I'm going to test alll the hardware to make sure it works and I don't have to rma it and then install archlinux on it

@toatoa10 Год назад

the arch installation process is Not For the Faint Of Heart, but I usually used a Ubuntu derived distro like Mint on my various work laptops over the years and have had good experiences with it. feel free to DM me with any questions

@mr.jellybean9117 Год назад

I always wondered, what do they do with all of these products after they finish filming?

@tdata545 Год назад

I do know enough about portable monitors to tell you that 350 from a MAJOR company like LG at a >1080 resolution is kind of impressive. I think I originally paid that for my 1080 QLED UPerfect Touch + MPP 2.0 monitor. It's currently my favorite portable monitor of all time. THOUGH recently it has been experiencing major burn in issues, even though I have it at 0% brightness, which is about 300 NITS, I've calculated this at 550 NITS max of the stated 500 NITS on their product page.

@ocudagledam Год назад

"Vessi Footwear - it's not terrible." - Now, that's marketing money well spent!

@nicka5040 Год назад

DBrand needs to make some Vessi Footwear skins!

@szlash280z Год назад

The Gram's main selling point in my opinion (I own a 2019 13" model) is that it weighs almost nothing. yes it flexes, but mine weighs 2 to 2.5 lbs, has a beautiful touch screen, fantastic trackpad, has 2 NVME slots and amazing battery life, etc. and it's so incredibly light that I was able to bring it onto Military airplanes and watch movies and stuff in C-130's, C-17's for long across the globe flights where I'm sitting in a cargo net seat. I can hold it up with two fingers while I'm squirming around in that shitty seat trying to get comfortable. I can charge it using a pretty lightweight portable battery pack. I can watch shows in bed with it on my chest and have no uncomfortable oppressive weight. I LOVE my gram. It weighs half as much as all the 13" apple laptops I've ever held and it doesn't have stupid sharp edges for no reason like the apple either.

@szlash280z Год назад

The way I use it I can't use the speakers anyway, so them being anemic doesn't matter. You can't hear any speakers over the engines of a C-17.

@Tawmii91 Год назад

So the main selling point is that it suits your very niched needs for a laptop where you for example don’t even use the crappy speakers cus you can’t hear them anyway? Screen, battery life and trackpad is still better on a macbook.

@szlash280z Год назад

@@Tawmii91 nobody asked.

@Tawmii91 Год назад

@@szlash280z exactly, and still you had to tell everybody about your niche military situation.

@1donjuego Год назад

Thanks for the heads up. I nearly bought that Gram. Having said that, the feature that you ignore on that laptop is weight. It is only 2.5 lbs. If your traveling with a laptop weight is far far more important than we ever realize until you do haul your laptop around for a few weeks.

@xY-ZUTH Год назад

It has a big screen and the battery lasts a long time. And it's light. It's the best laptop ever.

@tusharbhudia9421 Год назад

Yeah the laptop is great, amazing battery life, amazing display and light. Tbf Idc about weight at all I always carry massive textbooks but the matter and performance is great.

@Jonathan.R.Pereira Год назад

What's to say that the keyboard didn't bend when Alex was pressing down on the top of the chassis?

@mrniffels Год назад

I fr thought the 2-in-1 would be like 800-900 €/$ 💀

@Adelzu Год назад

Good to know it's not only me who thinks that MacBook's external display support is bad!

@DanielAbernathy Год назад

What exactly is the complaint? Never had an issue

@Adelzu Год назад

@@DanielAbernathy oh, use any non apple display and it just looks bad. Reading literally gave me headaches.

@DanielAbernathy Год назад

I've been using non-Apple displays for years 🤷‍♂️

@whenhen Год назад

@@DanielAbernathy it can’t properly scale 1080p and 4k displays. Also, the non pro ones (including the 13 inch M1/2 Pro) can’t do more than one monitor.

@DanielAbernathy Год назад

@@whenhen the built-in scaling has always worked for me on 4k monitors - so I wouldn't say it can't "properly" scale so much as it doesn't fit everyone's preferences.

@producerevan88 Год назад

8:42 That's the moment I realized this laptop had to be done by the same team that made that LG Flex curved phone back in the day...

@Crad-YT Год назад

Most important question. Do you need LG's Software in order to install the drivers? I bought LG Gram last year and returned it immediately when I found out that drivers are not available as standalone installs and had to install a stupid manager.

@audikid89 Год назад

The real question is can you use the LG Gram along with a screen door to make a boat that actually floats?

@yayo685 Год назад

I was really surprised by how expensive these things are. Macbooks aside since they have their own issues too, i wonder why people wouldn't just buy a business class laptop at this point for that price. I mean you can get an elitebook, thinkpad or latitude in a very nice form-factor for that price.

@bencze465 Год назад

i got a thinkpad last year for 1200 euro, it has its issues (meh display, speakers) but just seeing this video im sure its a lot better to use than these. at least feels solid and still best keyboard to type on.

@PerplexedPhoton Год назад

I guess LG is putting a premium price on the lightweight aspect of these machines, even if in doing so they've created other issues (looking at you deck flex...). I personally don't put much value on the weight of a laptop, but some people might find it valuable.

@yayo685 Год назад

@@bencze465 yeah exactly, the business class laptops have a build quality that typically is much better than what you can get in most of the consumer market.

@vishalmangla4735 Год назад

Funny how as you said before sponsor youtube rolled an ad

@ebsolas Год назад

Editors. I appreciate you. That keyboard clicking thing. Just, thank you for that

@zodiacfml Год назад

LG doing the same mistake with the smartphones, too expensive for less. This laptop is like $900-1000 to me.

@SaltySpaghetti27 Год назад

Really bummed that the only one with a touch screen is the 2 in 1. I really love my current Gram 13 with a touch screen but the new 2 in 1 is way larger than I'd like, and I don't love how flimsy the hinges for 2 in 1's typically feel.

@thomgizziz Год назад

Which 2 in 1s are you using? Most of them feel as good as normal hinges unless you have been trying to break them or something and have some insight I don't have.

@KibbleWhite Год назад

I love the random visitors, provides a little diversion and mini-opinion option lol

@bpurkapi Год назад

spreadsheet guy here, with an older gram (11th gen intel): got it at costco for 800 bucks, 16gb ram, 512gb hdd. 1080p and no touch screen, iris xe graphics. Its served well enough - feel like its the toyota corolla of laptops. Biggest issue i have is that lg is a small vendor and documentation is lacking. I daily drive a desktop and use the laptop as an auxiliary item

@brucepreston3927 Год назад

I just can't get over why people spend over $2000 on a laptop that doesn't even have a gpu...you can do confrence calls and spreadsheets on a $500 laptop and be more than fine...I just could not bring myself to do it, no matter how nice of a screen and trackpad it has!

@RGInquisitor Год назад

Pretty much. The only reason I feel a laptop should even reach over $1.5k is because its super security focused and has tons of features to protect your data. I've been using a $500 Lenovo Flex 14 with a Ryzen 5, 12GB of RAM and I upgraded the WiFi card and storage. Apart from the battery losing capacity, its been going super strong for almost three years with me now. I really don't see any reason why I would need to own a super expensive laptop considering the specs are not really that different to mine.

@huaen8880 Год назад

It's all about the peripherals and build quality. I think that a good comparison would be why people spend more money on expensive peripherals on desktops although cheap ones can do just fine and the specs don't change - It's all about the better experience. Similarly, there's value to buying a more expensive laptop that is thin and light, better battery life (excellent for portability), better build quality, is more repairable due to standardised parts (especially true for business laptops), has a better keyboard and trackpad, better speakers, better display, and/or a better webcam. All these features may not improve the specs, but they can improve the laptop experience more drastically than a spec bump will. That being said, I'd still be hesitant about spending over $2000 on a laptop, especially one like this that lacks so many features, when you can get a macbook or even a windows laptop competitior that does all of the above better at a much lower price like $899.

@brucepreston3927 Год назад

@@huaen8880 I completely understand spending a little more to get something that isn't complete trash and has a good battery...But I feel like when you buy better peripherals and upgrades for a desktop you actually get your moneys worth most of the time...at the end of the day if you send $2000 on a laptop, it might be nice but it's still a laptop...Most of the laptop users I know use external mouse and keyboard anyway unless they are on the road...I just feel like the price for what you get out of a high end consumer laptop just isn't worth it...If you are buying a gaming laptop with a 3080 or something for $2000 then I can kind of understand it, but spending that kind of money just for making zoom calls and google docs and not even having a DGPU or only getting 3050 is absolutely crazy to me

@huaen8880 Год назад

@@brucepreston3927 It's extremely valuable if you're doing tons of work on a laptop and are frequently moving around. If you're just gaming with your laptop at home and only bring your laptop out occasionally (which is the vast majority of people), it's probably more worth it to invest in good external peripherals. However, for professionals, students, and other people with the above workflows, it's absolutely worth it to spend extra money for all the above benefits. It's far more valuable to have a light, powerful laptop with great battery life and an excellent keyboard and trackpad than to have a good gpu but a very heavy laptop with poor battery life, build quality and peripherals (gaming laptops) when you're lugging it around to classes every day or travelling around often.

@RGInquisitor Год назад

@@huaen8880 That's true. And here I come in again to mention my Flex 14. It's light, portable, it's a 2in1, came with a digital pen and everything. They keyboard is good, and the trackpad is decent enough to be usable in a pinch, but I've always hated track pads with a passion so I have a $25 Logitech G305 with me at all times. Again, it only cost me $500 brand new and I can do literally everything I need it to. I'm a school teacher, so I carry it around all the time and I'm constantly working on it. My only complaint is the battery life but I have to be fair and remember I've been abusing it for quite a while now. Lenovo still offers parts and service for it too, so I can just buy and replace the battery myself if I need to.

@retronymph Год назад

Horst has been such a good addition to LMG, even for channels that aren't his (that being said MA is a great channel and honestly the first really worthy addition to LMG since LTT, it doesn't feel like a "side channel" compared to the others)

@AMalas Год назад

3:23 Can we just appreciate that the editor probably spent like 30 minutes looking for that Andy "Nooooooooo"

@sorenakhiabani2501 Год назад

Love the flex seal cap.

@alexxr7569 Год назад

"Lets go over the good things about this laptop even though you should not buy it."

@colinhawkins8265 Год назад

We picked up one of the 16" Grams for my wife about a month ago. It was a Costco model and I forget the exact specs. $1,100 after $400 off. As soon as we got it out of the box I was unimpressed with the build. I understand that a big feature of the product is how thin and light it is, but it felt like a prop. There were two real deal breakers that lead us to take it back. The first is that it has zero ability to game. We picked up Valheim the same day we got this and my 11 year old desktop wiped the floor with the Gram. With no discreet GPU my expectations were low, but it really was awful. The second thing we disliked was that the Gram ran super hot. The area above the F keys on the keyboard was extremely hot under zero load. We returned the Gram and bought a Lenovo Legion 5 with a 3050 Ti for the same price. I'm not sure what LG is thinking with their pricing or with the general quality of these laptops. I would encourage anybody to pass on this generation.

@luckytrickshot6569 Год назад

The prices might look better when they are on sale. They are probably not meant to be sold full price and a 30-40% off could trick uninformed buyers. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@PerplexedPhoton Год назад

Lightweight machines can be great, but not when it comes at the cost of nearly everything else. These things have terrible performance across the board at a premium price. I can only imagine they'll be heavily discounted in the near future so people will think they're getting a $2k laptop for $1.2k.

@Malsher Год назад

I think the main problem is that they opted for the much higher TDP P-series chips this gen to keep up with other brands that use beefier (and heavier) cooling, should have stayed with the U-series. I have both and while I can live with the new model it does run hotter and louder than last years model/gen.

@tiestofalljays Год назад

Frankly, if you’re going for a lightweight machine around $1000, it makes absolutely no sense not to just grab a MacBook. What kind of serious work will you be doing on a Gram anyways? The best thing I ever did for my sanity was switch my parents to Apple devices tbh.

@thomgizziz Год назад

You mean the light thing that is lighter than you feel it should be feels lighter than it should be? Im shocked... and you were unimpressed with how it felt lighter and more unsubstantial than a heavier laptop would be? Why?

@Darthvader81498 Год назад

Hey , Use the displaylink manager with a dock for macbook works very well with multiple displays

@daniallegacy Год назад

3:41 The G-ram hinge made a sound unperceivable even from a distance

@jessechristie2109 Год назад

I’ve always wanted milk that tasted like real milk

@joshsmethurst6731 Год назад

Smart choice

@manicdan481 Год назад

My brother has the 17" and loves it. Great battery life and the CPU is awesome. Its weight is so light that you think its empty on the inside. Its not perfect, but I think it fills a niche. We ended up putting liquid metal on it got 20% more CPU performance for free.

@jamesmcintosh9868 Год назад

Yes this is me

@Tawmii91 Год назад

That deck flex makes it look freakin empty as well. Couple of 100grams in plastic for rigidity would have been a great trade of for that mushy mess.

@thomgizziz Год назад

@@Tawmii91 People pay for lightness. You dont have the same product if you add more weight to it. It is clear you want something else which is fine. But if you had it your way all the laptops would be the same and you'd feel that is great and be confused that other people want something different.

@Tawmii91 Год назад

@@thomgizziz I don’t disagree with you, pay a premium for lightness if that suits you. Majority of people seems to agree thou (considering this comment section, reviews and that LG them self discounts the price of the product soon after release) that the build quality and trade of for lightness

@sliimcracker Год назад

@@Tawmii91To be fair, I dont think the build quality is necessarily all that bad. The inside of the laptop is rather hollow so it makes sense that it would flex the way it does and of course the material used. But it’s passed military graded drop tests so I’d believe that the build quality is rather decent

@DirkDeadeye_ Год назад

Not excusing my mbp but after futzing with the refresh rate settings I was able to get it to work with my g5. Thankfully the viewsonic panels at work via star tech dock work fine.

@prestige_w0rldwide Год назад

How much Flex Seal do you have to buy to get a hat?

@ThatOneOddGuy Год назад

This one's for the gram

@sutskotheoneandonly7565 Год назад

Gotta love the flex seal cap

@psydonpb7684 Год назад

1:40 damnnnnnn. Though in all fairness, i have a old lg gram and the hdmi port isnt sometimes recognized by windows

@TalesOfWar Год назад

So what I'm guessing from this is... it's not very good, but the displays are? Kind of unsurprised at the last bit given LG make most of the panels you see out in the wild.

@user-xz1ur8us5p Год назад

fair enough, but the quality of this laptop so bad I don't know how they price it so high when other laptops are way better at equal or lower price points. It's like they didn't bother to do any market research before launching this thing.

@TerryTerius Год назад

@@user-xz1ur8us5p I guess not caring about whatever else is on the market and pricing your products borderline arbitrarily is a... strategy, of a sort.

@LRM12o8 Год назад

Wow, Alex went from "screw modern standby, I'm going MacBook!" to "screw Apple incompatibilities/limitations, give me back my Windows laptops!" in about a week and a half! Goes to show that Apple computers really are... _something_ else! 😂 Maybe Linux could be the savior. He should try the framework. 🤔

@ekim4926 Год назад

From my experience Linux is bot much better in terms of sleep. I'm using 10+yr old hardware tho

@BoRerunn Год назад

Have the screens been improved ? Samsung Book Pro are available with OLED screens and all metal design

@Linda-pq9uf Год назад

How is the keyboard on the 2023 LG Gram 17? Any improvement?

@youtindia Год назад

They key with LG Gram is to always buy last year's model when they're on stupid clearance sales. Got myself a 2021 Gram 17, i7, 16GB, 500GB (Upgraded to 2 x 500GB) for $1150. This is with Indian taxes so US equivalent would be like $850 or so. For a large 17 inch 16:10 color accurate display, it's freaking amazing pricing. This 17 inch laptop only weighs 1.3kg. You really can't beat that.

@chetan_naik Год назад

LG gram 2021 and Gram 2022 are selling at almost same price. Gram 2022 always have about 30-35 discount, even introductory price also had about 30% discount. The price difference between 2021 and 2022 is less than 100$ on amazon India. I bought 2021 model because I read reviews that 2022 model runs really hot. The price difference wasn't an issue for me. Weight, display, heat and noise mgmt and battery capacity(though battery is degrading fast) are good everything else is less than satisfactory.

@youtindia Год назад

@@chetan_naik Fair enough. I bought my 2021 gram when 2022 hadn't launched yet. About heat, there's some black tape thing inside blocking the direct airflow for some reason. I removed that and the heat is down significantly. It's a bit of a mod, but it got my temps down significantly and I quite like the size, weight and performance of this thing. It's a great laptop for Linux. The selling point for me personally was 17 inch screen on a 1.3kg weight. I have separate SSDs for Linux and Windows. I'm fairly happy with what I have personally. I switched from M1 Macbook Pro where 8GB RAM wasn't cutting it for me.