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A North Carolina trustee recently spoke about the Tar Heels' current position in the ACC. His comments support the idea that UNC will not be a part of the ACC for longer unless big changes come about. 'Locked On Tar Heels' host Isaac Schade joins the show to discuss what it all means.
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@LoCoVANole 14 дней назад

Full grown men named Bubba and Boo - this forsaken conference can’t end soon enough.

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

Maybe, but all of this really proves that FSU's best fit was and likely remains in the BIG12.

@michaelwall3393 14 дней назад

⁠@@tarheel7406I think you meant to say BiG10. But if FSU did go to the Big12, they would not be the only team and more importantly, because Clemson, Miami the U, Pitt and Louisville in the past have all expressed interest in joining the Big12, albeit with Texas and Oklahoma in the conference not gone, they all may go or at least 1-3 and give Big12 substantial opportunities and increase in revenue. The ACC would definitely be below the Big12 and would never ever catch up to the Big12 let alone close the gap with the other two power conferences. Because this is about football first and foremost before any other sports. It’s one thing to lose top notch schools to either the SEC or BiG10 and another thing to lose schools to the Big12, especially top notch schools in football and other sports or all sports for that matter. If from ACC Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and say Memphis from AAC were to go to the Big12, not only does the Big12 pick up three football blue bloods and all sports elite schools or borderline blue blood in everything just about; they also pick up a G5 school that is Tier-1\Carnegie-1\R-1 academically and solidly qualified to be in any power conference that would be the ACC’s top 5 choice for adding and cripple the ACC to still be autonomous and power but drastically lower than the Big12. So in the best interest of the ACC, I hope you meant to say BiG10.

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@michaelwall3393 Nope, I meant the BIG12 and not the B1G. The BIG12 had no unifying brand/culture, has no academic association, doesn't care about non-revenue sports. The BIG12 ended up with some journeymen, which fits FSU. It's really hard to put down in words. "Class" comes to mind, but that's not quite right. Nevertheless, whatever ir is oozes from the original comment. Regardless, the BIG12 is down its top 6 (net) and will never catch up. A "what if" CLEMSON/FSU had left for the BIG12 during the UMD replacement fight is an interested alternative timeline. The remaining top of the ACC would have likely scattered to the B1G/SEC/BIG12, so the ACC would have been the first P5 to get relegated down to the Tier 2. Demo trends would have eventually killed the PAC, so I could see a P3, but that BIG12 would still be the worst.

@LoCoVANole 13 дней назад

@@tarheel7406Haha - if FSU ends up in the Big12 (which no one not drowning in spite believes), then UNC will be scrapping it out in Division II (and probably still won’t add up to much in football).

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@LoCoVANole a) I actually pity FSU a bit. It was a model expansion until it broke from realignment stress. Since I have no spite here, I hope FSU can land in the B1G (~80%) for being a model expansion all that time. That's also a win/win for UNC. Nevertheless, a P2 invite is not certain, so I put the BIG12/Other at ~20%. b) Ignoring ND, UNC is the top expansion target for both the SEC and B1G. If FSU would have accepted that reality, perhaps it would have made better decisions during this period of stress.

@edl7454 14 дней назад

UNC laughed at FSU and said they were "barking" LOL .

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

FSU was "barking". Talking and barking are different. Timing is also important. We probably won't know everything until "tell alls" come out later. My guess is that FSU was too hostile/public when negotiations with ESPN were still feasible and that UNC was far too patient for such efforts to work.

@NOLES-wm3ly 13 дней назад

@@tarheel7406Next we’re going scalping. I suggest you get out of the way😮

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@NOLES-wm3ly I don't waste time on juvenile trash talk.

@Mr.Ed_Wayner 14 дней назад

When the head of the Board of Governors makes a statement, I will believe UNC will be looking to leave.

@thomascoker7703 14 дней назад

What yall just says PROVES FSU'S POINT!!

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

So dumb... That the ACC had to close the revenue gap or lose members was clear on Day 1.

@davidbrown386 14 дней назад

Spencer great show as always. The UNC statement is giving me PAC vibes. Why? The PAC wanted more $ and had a certain number in mind ( $50m), and ESPN had a certain number in mind ( $30m). We know what happened: ESPN walked away and steered certain schools to the Big XII, and were willing to sacrifice UO & UW to the Big 10 & Fox. Would ESPN repeat RECENT history with the ACC, and steer some schools to the SEC and some to the Big XII, even if it means losing FSU ( and probably) Miam? I would not bet against “History repeating itself.”

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

The PAC is in a declining market for college football and was already handicapped by the time zone. The ACC is in a different situation. Going into this realignment, the ACC was worth far more than it was getting, hence the deal was called terrible. Likely worth enough to prevent depletion if a new deal was negotiated. After depletion, harder to calculate but likely an ~$30M per floor.

@michaelwall3393 14 дней назад

@@tarheel7406as long as no one goes to the Big12 or the ACC has at least 10 schools remaining and have added 6 schools that will make networks happy and Notre Dame happy, sure 25-30 million dollars per school for a reconstructed contract could happen. But if it is down to 8 schools remaining and none have gone to the Big12 yet but two in Pitt and Louisville are more likely to go, then the ACC is done. If UVA, Va Tech, UNC, NCST, Clemson, FlaSt., Miami, and Stanford and Cal all leave for the power 2 conferences of the A4; then the ACC is doomed and done for. I mean technically the ACC would be down to 8 schools and could do exactly like the Big12 and add 4-6 true G5 schools and WazzU and OzzU from pacific northwest and add UConn for all sports and add all three service academies for all sports and probably still be an autonomous conference and get maybe 22-26 million dollars per school base revenue and clearly fourth of the A4 but build on success and be happy with that and then later on negotiate better revenue with results to back up your argument, like the Big12 has done. But I suspect Pitt and Louisville will be gone by then. Now I am talk about schools leaving this season or next season or in 2026. I am talking about 28 and beyond.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 14 дней назад

I hear that, but I think the ACC w/FSU and Clemson could actually be worth $50M-ish

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@michaelwall3393 a) AGAIN, the BIG12's pro rata clause proves that ESPN values all P5 remainders at a fungible ~$30M per. The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted down to that level, so ESPN doesn't even need to negotiate to that amount. b) AGAIN, L'VILLE and PITT were among the strongest supporters of adding CAL+2. Even they see the BIG12 as the option of last resort. c) AGAIN, if the ACC so heavily depletes out to the SEC/B1G that it can't survive as a Tier 2, the new BIG12 (even if #3) won't matter. The gap to the then P2 will be that much wider. The BIG12 and the then P5 remainders can do whatever. THERE IS NO FEASIBLE PATH TO A PEER P3. NONE.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 13 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 The ACC is getting FAR MORE than you THINK and you REFUSE to look at the DATA I have told you to look at which PROVES this. Check the INCOME. Stop just looking at the REVENUE.

@Doc_Boots 14 дней назад

Secretly both factions WANT ESPN to drop the media deal February 1st of 2025 for the 2027 season. Some schools want this so they can escape on the cheap. The schools that want to stay in the ACC want this because they believe that they could secure a more lucrative media deal with a different partner

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

Feasible... Also allows the ACC to more easily deplete out in waves, which works better for the SEC/B1G. ND would be thrilled.

@davidbrown386 14 дней назад

There is only one problem with your theory; History. What happened after ESPN walked away from the PAC? The offers were not as good.

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

@@davidbrown386 The PAC and ACC are in different situations. This story is now almost 3 years old.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 13 дней назад

All schools that want it dropped are Run by Clowns. Fact is the only schools that want it dropped want to escape on the cheap because they cannot afford to leave without it. None of the schools run by ADULTS want to leave because they know what their Contract REALLY says and they LOVE how great it is. BTW... none of you CLOWNS know what it REALLY says,. That is why you say such DUMB things.

@rx2878 12 дней назад

TNT Warner is desperate for a new live sports deal

@Doc_Boots 14 дней назад

I wonder if that bum Bubba Cunningham is gonna make a public criticism of UNC about “barking” like he did last year when FSU brought up the same financial crisis???? #FireBubba

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

So dumb. How and what is said defines "barking". UNC has commented on the situation on a number of occasions but more diplomatically.

@Doc_Boots 14 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 Bubba is going to change his tune by this Thursday or he might be packing his bags. I believe there are 2 reasons for this audit other than the stated reason

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

@@Doc_Boots UNC has been both smart and unreasonably hopeful. It has been smart to remain diplomatic and not unnecessarily hostile and disrespectful as FSU has done. It was not smart when waiting too long for successful efforts to get a new deal with ESPN. The ACC members with SEC/B1G options should have filed a joint dec judgment request ~6 months after the USC/UCLA news, well before things got so hostile internally and when that leverage against ESPN had a greater chance to work. UNC likely wanted to wait; FSU got increasingly impatient. As for Bubba, I just can't say. UNC's clear Plan A was for ACC Tier 1 survival, and he most certainly was working for that goal. Since Plan A has failed, the internal fight is now SEC or B1G. I don't know where Bubba is, but I expect the waning B1G faction rather than the waxing SEC faction. At the BOG level, there's additional factions that would rather see UNC wither with NCSTATE than save a least one, keep the ACC more relevant by forcing a stay, etc. I don't see a P2 invite for CLEMSON unless UNC moves, but FSU is gone to somewhere. What UNC does impacts all of the other ACC members, including their home states. That's why it's such a mess with everyone fighting for its best-case outcome. --- I suspect that any audit is to firm up the financials to better present to the politicians for case that UNC has to move to preserve its value and needs the discretion to move with or without NCSTATE.

@EyeOfTheWatcher 14 дней назад

100 million debt going forward annually, even with an increase from going to another conference they will still be in debt. They need to cut some sports and find some a way to make more money. As far as the approval process for the state system, NCSU is not tied to UNC Chapel Hill. They only have to show that it is better financially to move to another conference, and they have to give a year notice before the move. I am sure that UNC Chapel Hill will create a permanent out of conference schedule with NCSU if they end up in different conferences along with Duke (as that will take care of any possible veto by the UNC system president).

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

UNC is in a similar situation as UCLA. Both have many highly competitive athletic programs to finance, which requires Tier 1 revenue.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 13 дней назад

UNC's Debt Problem is a UNC being a dumbass for too long problem. Not an ACC problem with a B1G or SEC solution.

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@user-kn7ry8iz6x Moron (sorry)... UNC has the biggest and most successful athletics program in the ACC. That takes peer revenue. If the ACC can no longer provide that, then it's no longer a good enough fit. You are right in that's not the ACC's problem. The ACC's problem is what to do after it loses its face, heart and soul. Tier 1 conferences have blue bloods in the revenue sports and have a number of members with highly competitive overall sports. The ACC is managing a decline to the Tier 2, so it is expecting to lose those types of members.

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 13 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 Sorry. UNC is going BANKFUPT if it cannot get into another conference because it does not know how to manage a BUDGET. That is a UNC problem. Getting paid more does not fix your problems it just pushes it into the future because of your Leadership INCOMPETENCE. It is the same thing that happened to Maryland due to their incompetence. So UNC will get out and get paid more and mismanage that budget too and then what? There is no better payday to come the next time UNC bankrupts itself due to INCOMPETENCE. The good news is SEC basketball is CRAPPY and Basketball is all UNCfas give a crap about. Because you will SUCK in everything else and be BROKE again in no time.

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@user-kn7ry8iz6x You have no clue. UNC has a lifestyle that the ACC used to be able to support but can't going forward since it will deplete out prior to a chance at a new media deal. Cutting programs is an option of last resort. For the prestigious, upper right schools, overall sports success is a necessity. You clearly don't know how the upper half live.

@jonathanchess731 14 дней назад

Watch USF. They are going to surprise a lot of people

@Doc_Boots 14 дней назад

USF can go to the ACC when FSU leaves

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

@@Doc_Boots The ACC has already preemptively replaced FSU (in numbers).

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 14 дней назад

Win total of 7.5 on FanDuel that came out today!!

@adamb6370 14 дней назад

One of these days, Miami will have to make good on all the hype you give them. Then we will see the real Miami. small school disengaged fanbase and not the national brand we remembered

@Nonyabizzness305 14 дней назад

You was right until the Kirk Herbstreit article blasting Miami for not putting money into the program and trying to get by on their old accomplishments When they hired Mario they actually started spending the money they needed to so Miami could be competitive and from Miami Having back to back top 10 recruiting classes to Miami landing multiple top players in the portal shows things have changed in Miami

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 14 дней назад

I don't remember them as a national power at all. I just like their offseason moves

@rx2878 14 дней назад

Before you get too excited..What is UNC going to say? "John Swofford - Athletic director at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill from 1980 - 1997 Commissioner of the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) from 1997 - 2021" John Skipper UNC Alumni President of ESPN Inc.and co-chairman of Disney Media Networks : January 2012-December 2017 Holden Thorp Former UNC Chancellor 2008 to 2013 ACC President's Chair UNC literally did this.

@jansonroberts2616 14 дней назад

Wouldn’t that make the rest of the ACC membership as sheep that allowed your assertion? They’ve all got a share of the responsibility in the disjointed landscape of the ACC. Unfortunately, the ACC has had abysmal leadership from Swofford and Phillips. Not quite as bad as the PAC’s leadership but pretty bad nonetheless. That’s on all the voting administrators within the conference.

@rx2878 14 дней назад

@@jansonroberts2616 meh, the ACC did a decent job. Out earned the PAC-12 w USCxUCLA, and Big 12 with Texas/OU in it. Recall 2022 about 10M less than SEC. As a coastal league not enough poor people and snowed in people to watch football with Midwestern single State Land grant schools. Won championships in basketball & football. There is no mismanagement that will stand in court. Can't prove anything being #3 out of 5. No material harm proven. It's a new time era. The Media Networks have chosen Consolidation as a remedy for cord cutting.

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

Please note that UNC objected to many of the Swofford moves. UNC hasn't controlled the ACC for decades.

@Alan-lv9rw 14 дней назад

UNC and UVA are academic fits for the Big 10. FSU and Clemson are academic fits for the SEC. But academics don’t mean as much as TV markets.

@EyeOfTheWatcher 14 дней назад

UNC Chapel Hill and UVA are more cultural fits for the SEC. Give that UNC Chapel Hill has alot of in state players, in part due to the around 15 to 18 percent cap on out of state students, I can them wanting to be in the SEC rather than the Big 10.

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

The higher the academics, the higher the media value per viewer. UNC is near certain to the SEC.

@josephcernansky1794 14 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 Bullshit

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

@@josephcernansky1794 Truth is truth no matter the animal or exit point. You will have to do better.

@tarheel7406 14 дней назад

An ACC that "only" loses CLEMSON & FSU (which isn't likely) remains far better than the new BIG12. Not even close.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 14 дней назад

Well it is certainly close...I think those leagues are very comparable

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Sorry, but nonsense. The new BIG12 is the worst P4 (by far) athletically, academically, in prestige and value. The loss of CLEMSON and FSU would lower football, but Tier 2 football will be fungible. Does no harm in basketball or material harm to overall sports. Would increase average prestige and academic standing. Would lower value, but not to be peer with the new BIG12. The new BIG12 lost its top 6 (net).... TOP 6!

@user-kn7ry8iz6x 13 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Close. An ACC that maintains ANY 15 teams EARNS 150% more $$$ than the Big 12 until 2036 and will take any Big 12 school it wants in the next 5 years. It is not CLOSE at all.

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Also please remember that the ACC internally considered all then PAC12 members and decided that none worked financially, even USC. Clearly relative value played a material role, which would be materially impacted by distance.

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@user-kn7ry8iz6x To be fair, the host is a PAC guy, so overvalues the former PAC now in the new BIG12. He can't be expected to accurately know the relative value within the ACC; however, this is Locked on College Football ~not~ PAC nor BIG12, so he likely should do better than most.

@deadeye4520 14 дней назад

Spence, Isaac, WTF is wrong with you guys? You appear to want UNC to remain in a gutted ACC. The Tar Heels have a seat in the P2 if they want it. I'll be shocked if they decide to stay.

@LockedOnCollegeFootball 14 дней назад

I would prefer the ACC not collapse at all. Including FSU and Clemson

@deadeye4520 13 дней назад

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Sorry dude, FSU is escaping the plantation.

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@deadeye4520 LOL... FSU will have gotten far more respect from inside the ACC as a football tentpole than it well ever get from inside the B1G in the foreseeable. The B1G will see FSU as a Forrest Gump with a good address that can run fast. As a non-founder, FSU was a Tier 2 influencer in the ACC. In the B1G, FSU will be considered "the help". Since the ACC couldn't get a new media deal, the members that can move to the SEC/B1G must do so, but FSU needs to also know the costs of this change. Since the B1G is likely the only P2 buyer for FSU, I would not be shocked by only a partial to reinforce where FSU's place will be.

@deadeye4520 13 дней назад

@@tarheel7406 LOL doesn't change the fact that the Seminoles are exiting. And I never said they would like their stay in the B10.

@tarheel7406 13 дней назад

@@deadeye4520 LOL... FSU will leave or be kicked as part of resolving the litigation. This has been clear to some degree from Day 1. My point was FSU would have been far better off and have more options if it had handled the realignment stress better. UNC will have to adjust to not being the top influencer in its conference but will fare far better in the SEC or B1G than FSU on that factor. UNC is peer in athletics and academics with the other top P4 schools. FSU is not. I expect a lot of frustration at FSU after the P2 consolidation due to some failed expectations. FSU way overvalues itself, does not know where its stands relative to other P4s, and does not respect those P4s (even peers/betters). At least the FSU fans suffer these issues. In hindsight, FSU should have gone to the BIG12 when that was considered. That likely would have accelerated the ACC depletion down to the Tier 2, but the scatter would be a better fit for FSU and the eventual future reached earlier, perhaps with a P3 rather than a P2. From my perspective, the delay has resulted in a windfall. An earlier UNC move would have been to the B1G. The delay will result in a wiser move to the SEC.

@jansonroberts2616 14 дней назад

UNC and Clemson will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. They’ll be #17 and #18. Personally, I believe the SEC will also take two more from the ACC eventually to get to 20. IF the SEC goes beyond 20, they will look to the Big12 and ACC to get to 24.

@billw5823 14 дней назад

Right now the University of North Carolina system is run by the Board of Governors and that includes all the 17 schools within it. I don't believe that they will allow UNC to leave the ACC to go elsewhere without taking along NCSU. The same may be true in Virginia as well. In addition there is no way that UNC wants to give up the Duke rivalry in all sports. In any event the Big10 is a better landing spot for UNC who more closely aligns with the academics there. NCSU is a better fit for the SEC

@jansonroberts2616 14 дней назад

@@billw5823 Disagree with the B1G being a better landing spot. UNC is a southern school and wouldn’t be the top academic school in the SEC when it joins. That said, UNC would bring exceptional leadership in academics along with its top notch sports program to the SEC. Those in leadership positions at UNC that were B1G Ten leans in the past are no longer there and now those positions are SEC leans. We’ll see how it plays out. They’ll join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. If you read my previous post, you’ll see that I said the SEC is taking 4 from the ACC to get to 20 members. I also believe the SEC will take another NC school to ensure that UNC comes without political interference. Again, we’ll see how it plays out. If I’m wrong, I’ll be here to take the L on my opinions. But I’m confident in what I’ve posted here.

@adamb6370 14 дней назад

@@billw5823 please explain what you mean about UNC being closely being aligned to BIG by academics? Don’t even mention AAU because that’s little more than a research money grab and doesn’t consider academics. You shouldn’t be pursuing AAU if your school in liberal arts focus……like FSU. Academically the SEC/BIG are equal at the top. UFs nickname is the Harvard of the south has been named a new ivy school. UGA is top 20 academically, but does not have AAU because it focuses on the arts as opposed to Georgia Tech who focuses on science

@adamb6370 14 дней назад

@@jansonroberts2616 it looks like the SEC have targeted Kansas UNC Clemson and possibly UVA but it looks like UVA is not interested so NCST and VT are probably next.

@troywest7045 14 дней назад

What type of partial shares would UNC and Clemson be getting from the SEC? Unless, you think they would get full shares, which I doubt happens.

@falcn828 14 дней назад

"If and when Clemson and Florida State win their lawsuits" lost all credibility right there.

@user-ui7vi4hz2m 14 дней назад

UNC needs to be in the SEC just makes sense as far as geographic location just think about this from North Carolina to Texas to Oklahoma to Florida just makes sense Duke don’t know about them but UNC just fits