NVidia RTX 4060 mobile - undervolting and overclocking (+tutorial, example) - HP Omen 16 (2023) 

Hi, no, I'm not a fan of it. Memory OC can lead to memory corruption which might damage the mem chips. For core oc, core will most likely recover if pushed too hard but mem OC may lead to persistent damage. Sure, a light mem OC might work fine, but gains are small, too. That's only what I think about it, but one might have different experience with it. Greetings, Looney's Tech Channel

@@antoniomontana9646 Very nice. @900 mV / 2300 - 2500 MHz seems to be a sweetspot. Didn't try mem OC, though. Greetings, Looney's Tech Channel

Hi, idk why they do this. Maybe to let the GPU run on lower clocks when it's not fully utilized to save GPU power and have a lower temp when CPU-bound. Greetings

Another point could be that at the end of undervolting you have to push all the points after the desired clock/voltage down either manually which is quite timeconsuming or with selecting all points and then pushing them down. So maybe just more convenient this way.

@@M4Looney Ηmm, that make sense i guess.i have been trying to set a perfect setting for 4 days, craching my pc 4 times till i understand what the heck is going on .Lowering the power limit to 80% and raise the temp limit to about 85% has the same results in gpu temperatures as to undervolt to about 900 mv .The only difference is that the volt fluctuate a bit. It is safer that way i think because lowering the limit it automatically lowers the correct amount of frequency too.Thanks for the reply man!

Hi, it's depending on the settings. Max temps I saw was 83 °C with the performance profile and manual fan settings at 90 %. The fans were around 5700 RPM. On the performance profile with auto fans the RPM was at 6200 RPM (which is quite loud) and the temps was at around 80 °C. When you use the balanced profile however the GPU clock will be around 200 MHz lower but the temps are around 78 °C and the fans are quiet (not unhearable but pretty pleasant). The tjmax of the GPU is 87 °C iirc before the GPU would downclock itself. So in summary the temps are very good maybe one of the best for Gaming laptops. Greetings

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​@@M4Looneythx man really appreciate your reply now looking forward to the upcoming benchmark for this one where you try some actual games. And I agree over theory this might be the best laptop in thermals but there aren't many in depth reviews for this one on RU-vid.

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Hi, I'm just not very comfortable with mem oc. Had like bad experience in the past. Chip will most likely recover from any oc but on memory errors might stick (could be wrong here though). Also: does the RTX 4060 mobile profit from memory oc apart from a few % of more performance? Greetings, Looney's Tech Channel

oc memory speed brings almost 0% gain over overclocking the chip, besides if you overclock the memory, the overall temp of the GPU would go up. Also, the mem temp at stock is already high so I wouldn't recommend to oc it unless you want to break some records in Timespy or something

@@longhoang8328 Hi, thanks for the reply. Generally speaking and through experience this is true but do you know if this also applies to the RTX 40x0 GPUs, especially for the RTX 4060? The RTX 4060 is on a 128 bit-bus and has a generally low memory bandwidth. Does it benefit more from mem-OC than most other GPUs? Also: I guess one might need to OC a lot more to kinda overcome the bit-bus issue and VRAM does not have that much OC-reserves to actually overcome this "crippling"... Next point is: why does it actually work (fast enough) to not matter (as much) since it's on 128-bit bus *and* having "only" PCIe 4.0 x8 connection (do laptops not have only x4? - will check it in GPU-z later) making it only like PCIe 3.0 x16/x8? Maybe it's because of relatively large L2 cache making cache misses less frequent. But if cache misses (which it will for sure at some point) GPU must obtain large amounts of data (textures, models, buffers, etc.) through a tiny bit-bus and if the assets aren't actually in the VRAM through a slow PCIe 4.0 x8/x4 connection where CPU, system RAM and for worst case even SSD/HDD (which again are even slower than system RAM)... Man if I think about it: a lot of modern games are streaming assets a lot (in some cases the whole time like UE 4/5). No wonder that games became like "unresponsive" looking back the last 5 years (even when you have top tier hardware). For sure that doesn't apply for games that do not stream as much or are lower quality but what's the point of having graphical improvement over time / the trend to open world games then? What is Nvidia smoking when seeing the trend / reality? Sure they wanna sell their GPUs later but doesn't that also mean that people get disappointed over time (and start to skip their GPU releases then)? Selling bad designed products for a high price won't work out forever or will it be like Apple forever (hence Apple products are at least good) where the images carries the products anyway (be it worse to competitors or not)? Anyway what I noticed is that games tend to run much worse in regard of frame times than ever even on my main PC with even the RX 6800 and 32 GB of VRAM. Like 8 - 9 years ago I played GTA 5 on a heavily overclocked Core2Quad Q6600 + a GTX 580 1.5 GB (1680 * 1050 res) and even though it was on reduced texture settings the game "fluidity" was much better than on a new system in current time (though the games have evolved technically). I just wanna vomit and cry... Maybe I'm too sensible for frame time spikes but it has to be mentioned even if nobody is reading or noticing! A simple fix would just be to load like more than 50 % of game assets in RAM on game start thus avoiding to load game assets from storage devices later but that would increase system specs to 32 - 64 GB for sure and game devs want to have low requirements for obvious capitalistic reasons. Anyway thanks for reading, Looney's Tech Channel

Future Looney here: I think the only reason this works out actually is that the RTX 4060 has a relatively low performance thus making the memory bandwidth less relevant. Don't forget that the RTX 4060 is a 1080p card where the low resolution it is capable of doesn't require that much of IO-processes if it's used solely in that resolution. So it's even better from my point of view to get a 1080p like screen in a laptop for example 'cause you can't run many modern games on higher resolutions w/ high+ settings, making DLSS/FSR upscaling unavoidable or making content "smeary" if running 1080p content and relying on monitor upscaling... DLSS upscaling and frame generation becoming more important and thus decreasing image quality. Heck if you want Raytracing / pathtracing like in Cyberpunk or Alan Wake 2 where it actually matters you'll be rendering at 540p or lower and even need to increase latency with Frame Gen with fake frames what will make games flicker (though it is not very noticeable). For upscaling ghosting is an issue, too which may or may not be very noticeable... 😭

Hi, yes it strongly depends on silicon quality. But it's still a good overclock/undervolt. Greetings, Looney's Tech Channel

@M4Looney Is it true that the silicon will degrade if it runs at high clock for a long time? Do you think 2625 MHz is good for long-term use?

@@haiminhnguyentuan1312 Degradation is a thing but it usually happens slowly over time. Unless you're not increasing voltage or using overclocks near the limit it should be fine.

Hi, that's bad. I do not have these issues. On mine temps are fine. Maybe your device is defective. I would send it in. My temps are fine. My CPU is at 82 °C and the GPU at 80 °C at max on the performance profile (+200 MHz on GPU core) and even tuned down fans. Is this issue present from the beginning? Maybe some dust is stuck in the fins and cleaning could help. But I doubt it. Most possibly the thermal paste is not correctly applied by HP. It's possible to undervolt from Omen hub? Where is that toggle? What games are you playing? The RTX 4060 is rated up to 120 W. In Baldurs Gate 3 mine hit 100 W whereas in Starfield it only reaches about 80 W. So that's very dependant on the game. What you could try is to set an FPS limit to force the device to consume less power. Do you have the Intel or the AMD version? The Intel version might have a higher TDP on the CPU side. Are you running the laptop in performance or balanced profile? Greetings

I have tried multiple software but it's the same issue; the undervolting is locked! So I am trying to access advanced bios to unlock it

So, what specs does your laptop have? Is it the AMD variant? Which CPU? Is the high temperature on the CPU or GPU. What is the fan / power profile?

What you can try to do is to clean the mesh filter above the fans with a toothbrush. My fans were only clogged just a little bit but I could improve temps by 5 - 10 °C.

Just repaste your lapttop i had above 90 degrees aswell somse almost 100 after repasting with ptm 7950 its mid 70 to high 70 so around 77 78 the highest

Hi, yes, if it doesn't crash it's fine. But with this gpu it depends on the load. Most games hardly go over 80 W but some do go over 100 W. In some scenerios card might be stable where in others it won't. So for example a game with over 90 W power draw might pull more than say 110 W then with overclock (which the cooling solution must be able to get rid of). With the undervolt you can improve the situation but then card might become unstable. Also check games with lower wattage consumption as these can actually be more unstable (bc card is not fully utilized and utilization might fluctuate which can be more demand for the card). Also like 2700 MHz is not "very" high oc. A well cooled RTX 4060 mobile runs like 2500 MHz by default (like on the Omen 16). Greetings, Looney's Tech Channel

Also depending on undervolt/overclock card may become more unstable over time meaning a certain overclock and or undervolt may be impossible to achieve within weeks/month/years (depending on silicon quality / settings or even driver revisions). So, I don't take any responsibility on settings you make.

@@M4Looney thanks i understand now so i dont have problems whit crash i test the gpu whit stress test and there is no problem also the temperature is very good dont go above 70-75 degreese so i thing this is stable and good also my other question is how much to overclock the memomy becouse i overclock the cpu to 200mhz and the memory around the same what you will recommend for the memory speed

Yeah, your setting 950 mV and 2700 MHz seems to work for me, too. For memory: you can google how much others do achieve. But I wouldn't recommend ocing the memory (or at least high). One you don't gain very much performance. And two depending on vram oc and utilization of vram you could get problems with stability up to the point where you can damage the vram. Already had problems with this during mining. I don't know about the cooling capabilities of the laptop devices. vram can run at higher temps (anything under 100 °C should be fine) but I personally didn't check memory temps yet. For memory oc to take effect for significant performance bump one have to push memory pretty hard. Anyway the RTX 4060 is limited by voltage or sometimes power. So a undervolt in conjunction with a mild core overclock is what does perform best.

@@M4Looney i have rog strix g16 2023 the cooling of this laptop is very very good i even undervolt and overclock the cpu and the temperature of cpu and gpu are very good in my case the overclock of the memory that i make is very small around 200mhz not more becouse the core overclock make better performance so in this case i will stay to 200mhz core and 200mhz to memory this work good for me at 950mv i also watch the temperature on hwinfo64 and everything is normal

Hi, so far I'm happy with it. The RTX 4060 mobile is as fast as the desktop variant. Every game I played so far was above 60 FPS but newer games tend to use more resources so one need to use DLSS / FSR (3) / high settings / turn off ray tracing. Compared to my RX 6800 in my desktop PC it's quite slower but especially with DLSS3 fast enough for 1080p gaming. For productive use you will be happy. I also got the device for programming / encoding videos. Didn't program on it, though as I use my PC with a bigger screen for now. But there are two downsides on this device: 1.) only 16 GB RAM 2.) depending on the model it only got a 250 nits screen with only 60 % sRGB. Get the 100 % sRGB 300 nits variant if (more) accurate colors are important to you. 16 GB RAM is still ok for gaming but for productive use it might be too low. Just upgrade them then. Greetings, Looney's Tech Channel

@@M4Looney thank you for you valuable reply......as a starter I am planning to work on blender,Maya,UE5,unity.....I can extend the ram to 32gb further in the future and ofc it is 300nits and 100% sRGB........so I can go for it right???🤩🤩🤩

@@an24gaming88 It's a good device. Depends on pricing and other offers ofc. But it's running stable and well. Performance, cooling, quality is good.

@@M4Looney so for UE5 mainly and other heavy softwares it is considerably right?

@@an24gaming88 Yeah, sure. What CPU is it gonna have?