NOTE ON FACEBOOK COMMENTS: While you're of course welcome to share your thoughts I won't be responding to them any further as it's getting tiring - if however you have questions about the headset, other VR headsets, VR in general, etc please by all means comment and I'll do my best to dig through the others to give you a hand. Sad that we can't focus on the technology but rather an admittedly rather shitty policy.
Thank you for this. Having moved from a Q1 -> Q2, the washed out colours and certainly the blacks are for me far the most disappointing aspect. SDE never bother me, and I always found it an amusing topic. Obviously different things can ruin immersion in different ways, but kinda encouraging when you say the lcd blacks are not as washed out in your current headset. I was honestly that disappointed, it had put the breaks on my thoughts of eventually upgrading to a 'big boys' pcvr only headset. You've give me some hope, thx 👍
I started my VR experience with a cheap plastic cellphone HMD, moved on to a Gear VR, last year I got the Quest (what a step up), I have been using the Quest 2 since the 13th (can't go back to Q1), and I can not wait for my Reverb G2 to get delivered. My VR Fu has progressed much in the last 2 years. You are correct about ED in VR. I have been playing it on a 4K Sony and it is a great experience, but I decided to try it out in VR with the Quest 2 this weekend... Fuckin A I was flying a spaceship! I used Virtual Desktop to test and fine tune it, and the experience was great. Going to try it with link tonight, but I can't wait to see it through the Reverb G2.
@@SinSPD Fab 👍 if you remember when you get the G2, I'd certainly appreciate your updated thoughts, rather than relying on some of the shill youtubers 😉 In particular, I'm hoping the blacks and contrasts on the more expensive units are not as washed out as I find them on the Q2. Kinda wished I'd not sold the Q1 tbh. Still prefer ED in that, but yes, in VR in magnificent isnt it?!
@@stuartburns8657 Same here. Those black levels in the Quest 2 are terrible. Really put me off buying another LCD headset like the Reverb G2. So glad this reviewer is more honest than the shill reviewers by actually talking about black levels in an honest way.
A Facebook account is not the same thing as a Twitter or google account, its a false equivalence to say that its the same as using those accounts. You can have multiple anonymous google accounts but Facebook expects you to use your real name and link your friends and family to that account or you could get banned. Totally different from having a Twitter account. People don't mind using an account but Facebook is essentially enforcing type of internet ID on people that want to use the quest 2. I don't really care, I actually like Facebook but I get why people are mad about being forced to use a Facebook account.
I certainly disagree that it's a false equivalency but you're right that you could have fake accounts on all those platforms but is that what you really do? If you used ONLY fake accounts EVERYWHERE online your comment would hold water but, and maybe I'm wrong, I bet you don't. I think the real issue is people need someone to be the villain and Facebook is an easy one, for many justified reasons. I guess I don't understand why giving Facebook a real name for an account you would then just ignore is any worse than doing the same thing with Google or Microsoft? Or am I wrong and you use fake names EVERYWHERE online? Liked as I think it's a somewhat fair point - just unfortunate that we can't focus on the technology and an otherwise great product due to a policy like this. I wonder what people would have said if the headset had been $500 but had no Facebook requirement, my guess is it would be a failure at that price.
Sayo I respectfully disagree, how can you assume normal folk use fake accounts. Also how do you know what information is being shared in the future. You've made a horrible amount of assumptions to paint a dark picture for FB when in reality Google and Microsoft have just as much leverage to do even more sharing if they wanted.
@@Exigeous I highly recommend watching The Social Dilemma and The Great Hack on Netflix. You might change your mind about Facebook and social media in general. It's a much deeper and more complex issue than "personal data", and unfortunately, Facebook is the worst offender. You said that people don't complain about Amazon Alexa, Google smart phone, etc. but that's not true. Myself, and many others, don't use those products for the same reason either.
@Sayo Manzini Sadly that is not correct - not even in the slightest. Twitter, Google etc. are also legally REQUIRED to give law enforcement access to your information. They will use the same data, e.g. scan your e-mails, messages, location information, hardware IDs, IMEIs, IP data, anything really to answer requests. Just by not saying you can't have multiple accounts doesn't make it any better really. Anything social these days needs to comply with this and identify the users to potentially respond to requests. So if you go to lengths to fake your data on Twitter, Google etc. to such an extend as to use a cascade (yes, one is NOT enough) of VPNs, use virtual environments to hide hardware IDs, fake your personal data etc. you can also just simply do the same with Facebook. Where is the difference? Can you explain? It's all just people not knowing how IT works... which is super sad to see in theses days. If anyone really believes his data is more secure with Microsoft, Google, Apple etc. he's either clueless or willingly blind to the issue.
for me the very first game that I played in VR was Elite Dangerous on the Oculus DK2. That moment when you press launch for the first time in vr and get released into the station. Now.... I am not a religious man... but in that moment I looked into the face of creation and glimpsed the golden palace of heaven that laid beyond. That was on a DK2 which I got for I think $350. For a while everything was good but as the years went by I had to partake in increasingly heinous acts in order to make it work at all... Driver Swaps, 3rd party hacks, animal sacrifices.... Until the day finally came when not even the most depraved occult ritual would breathe life into the DK2. So I raised my monstrous abomination of cobbled together tech to the sky and shouted to the rift gods to send me a new headset! For years I waited for one that I could purchase for a similar price and for years my dreams were shattered. But this year... this year is different. This year I'm going to purchase the quest 2. But alas... 2020 giveth and 2020 taketh away.... for to partake in the forbidden fruit of oculus I must make an entirely different deal with an entirely different devil. A devil whos name is Mark. To sell my very soul to such a creature fills me with dread but it is a deal that must be made. For I have seen the face of creation... and I don't have 600 dollars. So Mark, take me... take me body and soul. Use me for your advertising until I'm just a shriveled husk bereft of money and shame. Plaster my shame over whatever wall you see fit. Tell the world what a depraved and sad creature I am... And if I protest... if I beg for mercy... you can pull out the Facebook terms of service I signed in my own blood and cackle maniacally. But at the end of it all at least I was able, if only for a moment, to read the side displays without leaning in really really close. That is something Mark can never take from me.
Same here, man. The fact that it could work with the DK2 was the main reason I bought Elite when it came out. Nothing can beat the first time I logged in and did that first training mission, back when there were only a 5 or 6 training levels, and none of them even began to go into how complex this game was. That first time I took off from a space station while blasting Danger Zone by Kenny Loggins was one of my favorite gaming moments. Even with the massive screen door effect, it was well worth it.
@@JF-tt6wy the screen door was crazy bad with the dk2. I have since bought a quest 2 and have been really happy with it. Sure.... Mark Zuckerberg gets a daily update on my morning caloric intake but I think that's a small price to pay for an absolutely fantastic vr headset. I've been using it with virtual desktop wirelessly and it works incredibly well. I've even played a bit of elite dangerous as well but half life Alyx is my main squeeze at the moment.... Besides Mark of course. Seriously that game was just as a life changing experience as my first time in elite vr
I own a Quest 2, i have to create a facebook account because of it... the second Valve comes out with a wireless index ill buy that and throw away my quest 2
The point with FB account vs others like MS and Google is the simple fact that neither of the others has my real name :) neither they care if I have one account or ten and what do I do with them. Also, the accounts are for me and I'm not constantly bothered to find more friends, look at activities others are doing etc. You see, just recently I got a notification if I want to switch from Oculus to FB in the ecosystem and since I declined, I got a warning that I will not be able to engage in some social activities. And that's how it should be. There is no reason whatsoever for the player to use FB login in order to play games. Even games that have multiplayer like Elite or Squadrons, provide this feature in game. Therefore, as long as I opt out of FBs VR social platform, there is no need to use the account. Unless FB needs to show us adds in VR as well.
You silly unless you've never logged on the internet they have all and any info they want :) good luck dont deny it.... they do... but good thing is who cares. your jut a lil ol hate to mention it but im same way... useless in the big picture.. so no one will be looking to carefully. prolly just send u some coupons
@@williamsternritter3214 Sadly that is not correct, not even today. Twitter, Google etc. are also legally REQUIRED to give law enforcement access to your information. They will use the same data, e.g. scan your e-mails, messages, location information, hardware IDs, IMEIs, IP data, anything really to answer requests. I'm not even beginning to mention bio data like fingerprints... Just by not saying you can't have multiple accounts or believing they don't know your name (which doesn't matter at all to be honest) doesn't make it any better really. Anything social these days needs to comply with this and identify the users to potentially respond to requests. So if you go to lengths to fake your data on Twitter, Google etc. to such an extend as to use a cascade (yes, one is NOT enough) of VPNs, use virtual environments to hide hardware IDs, fake your personal data etc. you can also just simply do the same with Facebook. Where is the difference? Can you explain? It's all just people not knowing how IT works... which is super sad to see in theses days. Names are literally the least important factor to ID a person. If anyone really believes his data is more secure with Microsoft, Google, Apple etc. he's either clueless or willingly blind to the issue because of hatred or believing it's cool.
Interest, you should report on that as you'd have a huge breaking story since I've not found that anywhere - sure, they've said that "could" happen but you've got a scoop it seems!
Easy, meant no offence to you personally. Love your videos but yeah if you Google reddit occulus quest 2 it's the second link? Looks like since then the person updated their post and they were able to get their stuff back. Seems like a huge hassle. I agian would love to love this headset. I agree that we give Soo much data already to all these companies. My problem stands more with the fact that if they so desire, they can seemingly brick your occulus with no consequences. Just seems like bad business practices.
@@mikl0003 yeah we give so much data out its kinda hilarious... but its not about giving the data to facebook,.. and more about how facebook portraits itself with what they try to do.. i mean threatening to pull out of europe because of a data security law? yeah that sheds great light on that company.. (lets be real they'll never do it 410million customers less? the ad revenue loss alone would be enormous)
@@Exigeous I have a Quest 2. I have no social media history and opened a yahoo email account a week ago with a sensible username and all my real name and details. Then did the same with FB ie real name and details and that yahoo as email contact and even after supplying FB with a recent clear photo of me they refused my account even after the review I asked for. With my real name, real photo real phone number on record I see no way to get a FB account even if I retry. So using my Quest 2 with my partners long term FB account and loving the Quest 2.
Been using the quest 2 with elite for the past day and the difference between the quest and quest 2 is astounding! I can actually read the panels now super clearly!
Like I said in the video they aren't nearly as good as the other headsets, including the Quest 1 but they certainly aren't a deal breaker and I own a 55" OLED TV so I'm all about the black levels.
@@azra31 honestly, it ain’t bad man. If you’ve ever seen a high-lcd tv panel at like Best Buy, it’s like that. The blacks look great but aren’t OLED level great.
@@nielsdeschaap I play at 90fps, i don't rebember the resolution exactly, i know that i have 1x or smth like that in the oculus app on pc, it's one or two step above standard
its not about selling on personal data, its about the quest2 not working because your facebook account is not verified. I dont have to be verified and submit my official passport scans to steam. I can wait for another head to come along, but your categorising everyone as only caring about their personal data is a bit insulting.
Yeah this is the video that made me unsubscribe from him. I remember telling him in a comment on this video how a bunch of people were having their headsets bricked because their account arbitrarily went under lock down, and he asked me for proof (because apparently Facebook is completely innocent until proven guilty, even given their monstrous track record). So I gave him the proof he wanted. Hundreds of links to reddit posts about people asking how to fix their bricked headset. And of course, Exigeous didn't respond to that. I can totally forgive a political difference, but to shill for Facebook of all companies is just unforgivable to me.
How did you find the black levels on the Rift S display? I'm considering upgrading to that from the CV1 but I don't want all my beautiful Elite skies to be grey :)
I actually didn't know that OLED VR headsets didn't turn off the pixels. Thank you for saving me from that misstep. It won't be a deal breaker but it stops it being a point I look for. If you do end up getting the Reverb G2 I'd love to hear your review of it. It's top of my list right now
Yeah, many have that misconception thinking that "well OLED can do PERFECT black" - but in VR that just isn't the case as the time it takes to turn the pixel back on when that close to your face is absolutely noticeable. Maybe we'll see that with future tech but not with what we have now. Don't worry, I can't wait to get and do the G2 review and my preview is this - it's amazing. It's slightly better in every way over the Reverb Pro and I already think that's the best headset hands down.
Actually some of us (a lot of us it seems) do get upset by all of those things. I don't want to sell myself to anyone, whoever they are, and none of should have to. And guess what, we don't have to, and we won't despite 'shiny'. But you do you Ex. Thankfully although Q2 is shiny, it isn't G2.
If you don't want to sell yourself, pay every single website and web service you use. Decades ago the internet had to make a choice: Do we charge users for the services and information they consume? Or do we give it to them "for free" and run the damn thing by selling adspace and monetizing our visitors? We've all grown up on a "free internet", but it was never really free. We've allowed the monetization of people to get this out of hand because we can't stomach the idea of paying for something we're used to getting for free.
I'm not sticking up for facebook here, but if you want your "privacy", go live on an uncharted island in the middle of nowhere and sever contact with humanity. Using the internet is selling yourself. Even hiding your information through VPNs or whatever is giving these companies information about you.
Well fortunately you are correct about the G2 - as for selling your data as others have pointed out unless you're not shopping online really anywhere, don't get the paper, subscribe to cable, have a Microsoft account or mobile phone I assure you that your personal information is being sold by someone. The fact that you commented on this video means you have a Google account so guess what, your personal data is already out there and sold.
@@Exigeous Ethics aside (should we ever say those two words together?) - If you get banned from Facebook (by an algorithm!), then this wonderful piece of tech, and all the games you have bought are taken from you, - with no recourse, or compensation. You are left with a useless piece of plastic. This has already happened to many - and many who have committed no greater crime than signing up to FB for the first time, just to use the device. Surely this is important? I do not have to send my driving licence off to Google, if I want to use my phone.
The having to create an account with X company to use X product isn't a problem when it's relevant. Privacy or not. But having to have a Facebook account to use a VR headset with my PS4 to play video games like Elite Dangerous? No thank you. It would be like having to get a library card to use public transit. There is no correlation between the two. Who owns what product line is irrelevant when the product line doesn't require said account. I don;t care how Facebook tries to split the hairs. I don't need to have a FB account to play games on my PS4 and using a VR headset shouldn't change that act. And you're right. It DOES create a dangerous precedent. Being forced to create an account with a company so you can use a product you OWN is horrendous. Add in the fact that if FB locks your account, your VR headset is locked as well and you see the huge problem with it. I would love to see the justification Facebook has for this. I need a good laugh.
I guess I see it as being - Facebook account = inexpensive headset and that, for me is enough value. Question then - if the Quest 2 was $500 without the Facebook account what would you think? Would that be better?
@@Exigeous I don't think you're getting it. It has nothing to do with price. It has to do with being forced to have an account somewhere that has ZERO functional reasoning/connection to the product whatsoever. And that's not bringing up security reasons.
I find it ironic that Zuck himself tapes up his webcam, and this thing has multiple cameras. That said, regardless of the elephant in the room, the cameras can’t see through walls, so the rest of your house should be safe if you just use it in one room. FB is a deal breaker as you can be banned from FB if you say the wrong thing making the VR a paperweight. So I just make a second account and don’t say anything about anyone, orange man or not, tidy up my gaming room, leave nothing that can Implicate you that the cameras may pick up, and don’t say jack squat, leave that for other platforms. Keep security tight and this just may be a good headset.
I've been able to wear mine for about 2 hours before forehead compression gets uncomfortable. Today I cut some strips from old camping foam and widened the straps a bit by threading the original straps through the ends. It felt more comfortable, not sure on duration improvement as of yet though. Running a usb link cable to an i7 and a gtx 1060, getting 2.2 gb/s transfer speeds with non-oculus 3.0 usb connection. Was only seeing about 400mb/s with a USB 2.0 cable. Overall I'm pretty happy so far with my entry level VR. Not happy about the FB requirement, but upgrading from a PSVR seems worth it. As you said, someone's going to get some data from you. I passed on the original poll as I have a FB account, but rarely, like quarterly, use it and was leaning against getting one but the capabilities, and my budget, put one on my face.
The reason why so many people don't like the facebook account issue, over something like a google account or a twitter account is as follows: if facebook learns that you made a fake account just to use the headset, they will permanently disable that headset. Twitter, google, microsoft, etc would not do that over a "fake" account.
“....In VR, you’re flying a f*%kin spaceship.” I catch flack for saying this but Elite in VR is the greatest gaming experience I have ever had. I received an opportunity to drive Assetto Corsa with motion simulators and VR at Andretti but even still, ED in VR in my she-shack is the apex of my gaming experiences.
@@Exigeous obviously the game has some shortcomings but overall it’s a masterpiece of a game. Many would exaggerate the former and scoff at the latter.
I’ve only recently got really into E:D after trying it briefly in 2018, but now I’m hooked. So, my main 2 games now are iRacing (you’re not playing a racing sim, you’re driving a fucking race car!!) and E:D. Either game without VR would be WAAAAAAY less appealing to me.
@@bdshort that’s what I mean. If I play something and it has a cockpit, VR is borderline nonnegotiable. E.g Mechwarrior 5. Good game; blown opportunity without VR. I play AC and Raceroom for my VR Racing fix. Aerofly FS2 is a moderate fidelity Flight sim too btw.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE note how good Elite is on a Quest 2 depends totally on how good your PC rig is- I have just more than the minimum to play ie a 1060 3Gb GPU and 10100 CPU and Elite in VR is average at best (but brilliant graphically in non VR). As I have it at present I prefer to play Elite on a monitor for clarity over the much more immersive but cartoonish visuals imposed by my rig in VR. Note also that single joystick and keyboard which is how i normally play is near impossible with VR because the mass of keys required can't be found on the keyboard with the headset on. Guess if your are a touch typist it's fine but I am not. I expect HOTAS or dual joystick with lots of keys is fine too or maybe voice attack. So if you have a good to serious gaming rig, a way to enter keys while in headset and Quest 2 I'm sure it's a great experience- my setup hints heavily at that but I am not there. So please tailor your expectations to fit the above.
YES - VERY important thing to point out, and this is why I made my recommendations on the final slide. With a 1060 3GB you're at the bare minimum for any VR and with the Quest 2 the second highest resolution on the market you're going to be running really low settings to get a stable framerate. Just how it is.
I use a GTX 1080 and I can't even run some games at that resolution in low settings, so I have to downsample a bit with ASW on at 36 fps lol. Coming from a rift cv1, that still looks better.
I personally wouldn't mind about the Facebook Link issue, but I heard a lot of people voicing concerns that once Facebook bans your account for whatever reason (political views or whatever), your shiny VR-headset becomes useless. You can only use it for as long as you stand in Facebook's good favor. Like getting a company car. Once you step on the wrong foot of your boss, he's gonna take the keys back. But my personal opinion is that I'd be happy to have any VR-headset at all and if the Quest 2 delivers good quality gaming both on a PC and even completely standalone, then that's probably the best shot I'm ever going to get. I looked at the Valve Index and the HTC Vive, mainly because I'd like to play games like Boneworks and Half-Life Alyx with the full finger sensor thing they got going on. But both are far outside any price range I could manage. Starting at 1000 bucks for VR is not feasible. So my personal opinion is only wishful thinking anyway. To each their own.
" then that's probably the best shot I'm ever going to get"? There will be more standalone vr headsets in the future for sure, and probably from other brands as well not just facebook. Would not be surprise if Reverb G3 is standalone.
@@heww3960 Oh, thanks for putting that one onto my radar. Any idea when it will hit the market? Checked it on a website and the specs are definitely worth it. Then it's been developed together with Valve and Microsoft, so definitely on par with the Index's quality. From what I see, the price for preorder is at $599, which is not too far from the Quest 2 ($399), given that you'd pay a whole $80 extra on the Q2 just for the pc cable (that's on par with Apple's marketing (50$ cable to charge your phone, anyone?) I mainly got interested in a headset for playing Elite in VR, but after I stumbled upon Half-Life Alyx and the amazing sandbox that's Boneworks, it would be a waste to use VR only for cockpit gameplay. For me, VR is definitely the top of the bucket list and I hope that I'll one day be able to give it a go. My sole experience so far was with VR for the Samsung Galaxy by means of their "clip your phone in-Headset". While there weren't any good games and the phone heated up pretty quickly, limiting the time you could use it, together with the naturally low resolution of graphics, I did enjoy the weirdness of riding a rollercoaster in VR. Can only imagine how it feels to be in control of the motion, like flying an Elite Spaceship or running around, hitting people. I'll definitely keep my eyes on the Reverg G2, so again, thank you for pointing it out to me, I was completely unaware of its development.
As far as i remember Facebook stopped selling Its Vr headsets in Germany because Germanys data privacy law (or something like that) wouldent allow Facebook to force you to link a device with a social media account (correct me if im wrong, but i havent seen a quest in any shop for a while now). Having that in mind i really want to know how much money they make on your data that they rather not sell you a headset without harvesting all possible data.
@@Brainreaver79 and even if you could, once its on the internet, it can never be destroyed. And since facebook already has everything I've posted, I certainly am not going to link it with anything else I do.
HP Reverb G2 pre-ordered long ago and no regrets. MSFS 2020 is my current main focus and it will be the first and only headset that will work (both MSFS and the G2 partner of course being Microsoft). Having their own people that on both the sim and headset coupled with the fact that they can tweak each to best the other, is a no brainer. Now, as for the facebook being an issue, it's major issue you never mentioned. People download apps that they don't read in giving out their data and anyone with a smart phone has already sold their data many times. The fact that you failed to mention or might not even know is ads. Do you remember the first time you bought a bluray or dvd and had to sit through commercials? Do you remember paying for that disc and feeling you shouldn't have to sit through all the non-skipable previews? Flash forward to the Ocusuck Q2 and get ready for that same disappointment once they initiate IN GAME FUCKING ADS! They mention this is the primary reason they are keeping the cost low. Screw that! My time to game or sim is my hard earned time. No ads will be violating my minimal and precious me time, even if I got it for free. Read up on it since it's not even begun yet but they gave a date. Being that I'm awaiting my G2 I can care less about their nonsense to bother looking for you (really amazed you or any "reviewer" wouldn't know this). IF they released a retail price unit of the same and without any agreement that you MUST agree to in using the Q2, then it's cost would be above the very cheap, G2. Knowing they can't beat that they simply made it so they make their money back in ads during your game time. Best one can hope for is having the ads only in the very beginning in launching your game and not smack dab in the middle. Imagine that when you're in a dog fight and having a banner pop up at the top of your screen? Anyone interested in the Q2 needs to spend a few minutes researching here on youtube or google. Screw that. Bring on the G2!
I think so too as I have no idea what the hell he's even talking about - I guess he didn't actually watch the video where the first thing I brought up was the Facebook issue. My job here was the review the technical issues around using the headset in a video game, I'm not a lawyer or expert on contract law and if he thinks so I think he's watching the wrong channel!
I just bought a quest 2, and am doing some research while I wait for it to arrive. I had a link cable in my Amazon cart already, but just switched it out for the one you recommended, just in case it's an affiliate link. If it isn't, you should talk to them. Thank again for the video!
I have Quest 2 and i am thinking about using it in Elite but there is one issue. I use 3rd party websites (EDDB,INARA,...) a lot and AFAIK I wouldnt be able to with that thing on my face.
I don't remember the last time I did a double take for a RU-vid video, but that verdict was fantastic. I've had the Oculus quest 2 from launch day, I love it, but I'm on PS4 for Elite and seriously considering a gaming laptop (for convenience) just for VR, I hope it's worth it.
Thanks for the video. I'm so town between the Quest 2 and the HP Reverb G2. Have you compared them yet? I'm currently running a 3080 on an Oculus CV1 with 2x super sampling.
Console player here who just upgraded my tv from like 720 or 1080p up to 4K. The difference blew me away, the contrast and definition were amazing. Now hearing about VR makes me want to actually be the pilot of my motherf#%^ing spaceship. o7 Commanders
Yeah exactly this. Just the scale of the space stations as you zoom by. Or jumping into a starsystem... After you've seen it in VR, the 2D version of a star is nothing more than a bubbling pizza. E:D is one of the games that really do VR well, and that's pretty amazing because it wasn't built specifically for VR. The way your cockpit is all 3D, how you can stand up and look at areas you couldn't even see in 2D (until they came up with the action camera that is!). The subtle reflection of the dirt on the window. You're really flying a spaceship. PS @Greb B. If you're in VR and are already a big ship guy, try the small ships. Because everything is closer (and they move so well!!!) they are much more of a sensation to fly in VR.
The google/amazon login equivalent only works if phones/computers won't even let you access the hardware until you login, which, they don't. It's not strictly required. If phones didn't let you make calls or access the home screen until you login with a verified, public account with your real name then you'd have a point.
Greetings Cmdr Exigeous o7! As per your initial recommendation, I have started playing ELITE in VR with an Ocolus Rift. It is indeed amazing of an experience, but by now I see the thing getting old for it's time, would you recommend switching to Quest 2 or at this point it is worth to wait for a next gen VR device?
I'm glad the only 'required' facebook feature on the quest 2 is the social networking feature. I can still hook it up to oculus link and run it like a Rift S, or run it in Steam VR, and I can socialize on Discord or steam using the virtual desktop app. And if I ever do get booted from Oculus's social network, I can still hook up to VR chat either through oculus link or the Quest's own software.
I'm curious about using it in my home office setup - it looks interesting due to hand-tracking, accessible pass-through, and text sharpness. Do you have any advice? Also, does Oculus desktop app have keyboard tracking? (smth like in the Immersed app?) I saw a keyboard when you showed the editing screen - curious how it works. Great video as always, btw. Thanks!
Still using my original Vive. With all the new add ons that have come over the years, such as the wireless adapter, new VR Covers, those little fans to keep my head cool, and some Index Controllers, I’m still really happy with this device. I’m a fan of outside in tracking, have the space for it, so I’m waiting for the next outside in equivalent before upgrading. And when I do, I’m in for the visual treat 😁
Just wait until you see the MASSIVE resolution increase over the original Vive, as it's a order of magnetite above it. Like 240p and 1080p it's that huge.
@@Exigeous Yeah, the resolution upgrade to whichever I decide will be the big one. Had many years of fun with the original Vive. Maybe next year will be my upgrade year.
It was only after playing elite on my quest 2 and my rift s that i've ever really felt that the FOV is too small. Never bothered me in other games, but elite made me want to pony up for a pimax headset and get that sweet 220 degrees.
I'm sure you use a Hotas even in VR but do you know if it's possible to play this with VR (using the Oculus Quest 2) with a keyboard or even the included controllers? With keyboard, do you just have to memorize all of the keys and key combos? Also, have you been able to get hand tracking when the Quest 2 is linked to your PC?
My problem isn't so much with facebook and data. My problem is what happens when you run afoul of the facebook censor nazis, and your account get suspended or removed. Your headset is now a brick. And I have a Rift-S.
I guess that's a non-issue for me as I don't post hate speech or terrorism, talking shit to your friends isn't going to get your account banned as if it did the majority of my friends would have been banned long, long ago.
@@Exigeous hey bud, you can get banned for way less than that! The only safe way is to not play any multiplayer vr games where you can get reported (at all) and never post anything on Facebook that's remotely controversial, bearing in mind that what is not controversial now, may be in 5 years time (even your past posts can be used against you). Such is the wonderful world of Facebook :( Way worse for people with a big presence on fb that part though.
Moderate what you say on Facebook. Like I got a warning for calling someone a stupid se you next Tuesday because she was being a stupid see you next Tuesday. I didn't need to word it quite like that and could have avoided the warning and been just as derogatory if id chosen my words a little more wisely.
@@Exigeous They basically take a political side and may censor anything they want. Tying a hardware device to that sort of arbitrary, biased behavior is insane. You may think you're on the "right" political side now and whoever isn't deserves to be cancelled in life, but that is the sort of nazism that may turn against you some day as well. You're either very naive or downright malicious, I just hope it's the former and even that not for long.
Good review, thanks. I would have liked to hear about what the tracking capabilities of the headset are. Does it register leaning in for example. Can I look behind me?
Makes me have faith in the gaming world. Was planning on getting this until the required account to a company I will never support on purpose. I realize at this time it's almost impossible for now. At least until they can make a new platform. But not expecting to see that any time soon.
another thing to mention about the quest 2 is people are overclocking it both Cpu/Gpu as we speak and I have also and let me tell you it has alot of room to be overclocked while remaining factory safe temps and you can also play 90hz refresh rate now in any game that allows it and from 1st hand experience when overclocking MAN it is Gorgeous.
Excellent production quality for your videos. Well done. I've been playing ED via Oculus Rift with an Xbox One controller and couldn't imaging going back to the flat boring world of a 2D screen. Good luck hunting for deep core rocks without being able to actually look around! I've been contemplating upgrading to the Quest 2 so if I can still play ED VR with it, I might just jump in. It sounds like I would still need to be tethered to the PC though, right?
Well, I was very interested in the Quest2, but the very moment you pointed out you need a Facebook account to run a bit of hardware, it was a total deal breaker for me. Now considering I played the very first very version of Elite (yes I'm old) and was so looking forward to this, and have worked in IT all my life, only to find out you have to have a Facebook account to use this, for god sake!
Too bloody right. This rig isn't all that appealing to begin with, even without the Facebook bullshittery. I think the HP Reverb Pro is a far better choice for seated gaming, especially Elite Dangerous. That's probably the one I'll go with.
You don't need an google account for an android phone though. I have a samsung s9 and it runs perfectly fine without me ever linking any google account to it.
@@Exigeous Less about the irony but about the fact that you still CAN use an android phone without having to set up a google account. On the new Quest it's simply not possible without a Facebook account (or if your facebook account has been banned in the past). In the end it is a choice that even google lets up to the customer.
Based on your experience with HP Reverb Pro do you think the G2 will require a better graphics card than the Quest 2? Will an RTX 2070 MaxQ be good enough for full res mode on G2 and how good is half res mode compared to Quest 2?
Good review, but I still would not get this because of the facebook account requirement. It is not selling of info or anything like that, just hate the whole thing and don't need to stay intouch people I really don't care for anymore. So I guess it is a me thing, I will have to find another way into VR is all. Thanks for all the hard work on this review.
Sure, fair enough -- I guess for me I already had a FB account that I haven't used in years so even with my headset linked to it it's not like I'm going to start using it now, so I figure what do I care, why deny myself a fantastic headset just for that. The good news is the HP Reverb Pro and forthcoming G2 do beat it hands down for Elite so there's that :D
@@Exigeous my problem with the Facebook requirement is that it doesn't allow me, or anyone for that matter, to keep my virtual life separated from my real one. Anonymity is something that I appreciate simply because I'm an introvert, I don't like sharing stuff (that's why I haven't touched my Facebook account since I created it in 2012), so the fact that Facebook is taking away the option to keep myself anonymous is what irks me. If this could be solved by creating a fake account on Facebook then it wouldn't bother me as much, to the point where I would probably buy a quest because right now it's the best bang for your buck by far, because even though big companies sell our data, they only do it to other companies, and in bulk at that, mostly for statistical and trends analysis, with which I have no problems. But Facebook have already stated that they are going to crack down on fake accounts so hypothetically, if you bought something on a fake account and then said account gets closed, then you would lose everything that you bought with that account.
I'd watch further but I don't have and won't be making a Facebook account. Thanks for putting that info 1:00 in and not burying it in the last couple of minutes.
Thank you very much for the review. ED is a wonderful game but unfortunately most of my time has been on the PS4 version. Since we got news of console to PC account transfers in September I dusted off my old PC playthrough so I could get some reps in on VR before then. And it's been a truly amazing experience through the Quest 2. Unfortunately, I'm been having trouble with Odyssey content and I've had to shelve that for a while, but Horizons still holds up extremely well.
How did you actually get the Quest 2 to work with the game? When I fire it up using Virtual Desktop to connect through Steam VR, I am unable to interact with the game at all. It doesn't seem to recognize the Oculus controllers. I have a T.Flight HOTAS One connected but ED doesn't recognize it. Note: I'm just talking about using the basic in game controls. E.g. navigating the initial splash screen. How did you get Quest 2 to work at all?
@Exigeous, I own the Rift S, upgraded from Rift CV1. The improvement in image quality is absolutely huge. However, I am unsure about one thing. The Resolution for the Rift S is listed as 2,560 x 1,440. In games, the resolution for VR usually gets auto-detected somewhere below that, like 1920x1200 or similar. Manually setting the Resolution in E:D to 1440p however yields no difference in image quality. Since I don't want to suffer unnecessary FPS losses, and you are somewhat of an expert on the topic especially after your Graphics Settings Video, do you have any idea how to figure out the optimum performance and what to set in ingame resolution?
Afaik those resolution settings are for the mirrored display on you monitor. They don’t affect the hmd resolution which explains why you see no difference. I usually set them to 720p
Hi Exigeous! Love the vids. As a rift-s user, my biggest issue in ED is the glittery aliasing that is present absolutely everywhere in game, as this breaks my submersion. I have pushed my 2070S to its limits to mitigate this via HMD (and other) settings, but nothing really makes a huge difference. How do these jagged edges look through the quest 2? Or, for that matter, through the reverb? Also, I am sure you are aware, but I have seen other recent vids that describe the ability to leave the IPD adjustment in between two of the presets, and that this actually works for people who's IPD doesn't conform to one of these settings.
You'll still see it some, much less so in the Reverb Pro/G2 but even in the Quest 2 they aren't bad. There are places, as you say, were even on a 4K monitor there is a lot of aliasing (that's what you're seeing) so it'll never be gone, at least not for a long while.
They all look awesome but I can't justify the upgrade from my rift just yet. Flying my ship in VR makes the grind of mining a lot less of a grind and rather enjoyable for the simple fact that I'm literally in my motherf**king space ship !!! :) I can run ultra settings while mining as it's low impact and I have a solid gaming pc but haven't tried combat yet due to riftsickness kicking my arse. Cheers for the vid, you're vids are a MASSIVE help and are always enjoyable and informative. o>
Oculus had stopped selling the Oculus Quest because of the Quest 2, which evidently had face padding that caused a face rash because of the material of the padding, so they recalled the original material and replaced it, they are still producing other Oculus Headsets
I don't see the deal breaking in needing a Facebook account. I mean, to solve the privacy issue you can just create a brand new account just for the Vr gaming part and be done with your worries. Even if one decided not to have a Facebook account anymore creating one to play vr is the same as creating an epic games account to buy games there. No data stealing where no data at all
Thx for the great review. I actually was thinking of Index, Vive Pro 2 or Quest 2. But i have a daughter and the options this Quest 2 has. 120hz/Airlink/standalone/PC/Resolution... It was a no brainer. Awesome headset. Since my daughter and I cant seem to sync schedules to use it, I would like to ask Facebook to hurry up with the Quest 3.
Thanks for the video! I really enjoyed your G1 video, so I was looking forward to this. Question: why do you recommend a Q2 for Elite with an unlimited budget with a 2070 or below? Does the Q2 have an advantage over the Reverb in less powerful cards? It seems like you'd be better off getting a Reverb and then upgrading the GPU later on. Also, when the 90hz mode releases on the Q2, could you do a 90hz comparison btw the two? I feel like that's the more likely usage case for someone planning on using VR in Elite.
Primarily because the minimum spec of the G2 is a 1080 and that's minimum. So given your driving so many more pixels with the G2/Reveb than the Quest you'll get a better overall experience with the Quest 2 than the Reverb, ie you'd be able to run much higher settings in the Quest 2 than you'd be able to run in the Reverb with a good, locked framerate. Especially if you factor in 72hz vs 90hz (now if you run the Reverb at 60hz like I do, and many won't, it's a bit of a different story). Does that make more sense?
I have just purchased one of these based off of your vid, my first ever VR headset. And wow, Elite is awesome in VR. I have played Elite for years but VR has completely transformed the game for me, for the better. You get a greater sense of how big the ships you fly are. I do have a few caveats though: unless you are looking directly center of the display, everywhere else gradually gets blurry, as you look toward the peripheries. I have tried everything to rid this blurriness: repositioning the headset, adjusting for my IPD, all to no avail. Do you experience this? There is a lot of readit posts on this so its not an isolated problem. I'm also a little disappointed with resolution too, i can see individual pixels, and the black spaces in between. Im in two minds whether to send it back
I apologize as i havent experienced your issue, but I did want to ask, did Elite work for you through steam VR? I've seen multiple people say that ED and the quest 2 arent compatible if you have the steam copy of elite. thank you!
I just bought a meta quest 2 because elite dangerous is a beautiful nice space game on a monitor, I wanted VR because I want fly a fucking space ship!! Lol
Yes, but with the qualification that when watching video you don't notice the screen door effect nearly as much so yes, absolutely video is clearer in the Q2 than the Q1 and other headsets but it's not as huge an upgrade as it is when saying playing games like Elite. Does that make sense?
When the Rift S came out, I wanted to get it but didnt for a specific reason. Now I was thinking to get the Quest 2, but it seems I wont for that very same reason.. I really like the sound on my Rift CV1 and expect the same or better on an upgrade as good sound is 50% of the experience for me. Was hoping to stay on team Oculus, but the Reverb G2 is very tempting
I have never tried VR but thinking of it, but I have a? Do you still use your Hotas when using VR or Are you flying with those controllers that comes along the VR headset. And if you still use your Hotas dont you ever need to look at your Hotas to find the right button occasionly and is that possible with out removing the VR
Thanks for this video! I haven't played ED except on an Xbox years ago and have been looking at trying it out again. But I'm also wanting to build a pc for VR. I think getting the Quest 2 to mess around with first while waiting for pc parts to come in might be the smart thing to do. Hopefully it'll be done and built in time to get a good start before the Odyssey expansion.
Please let us know how this worked out. I'm in the same boat; I loved it on Xbox, and now I'm toying with the idea of a dedicated PC/VR setup. The few cheaper VR headsets I tried at demos had a horrible FOV that would make it unplayable for me. I love to know your setup and what your thoughts are.
The issue is also that they can ban you and basically steal everything you have bought from you. But when G2 comes, please make a comparsion between G2 and Q2 when it comes to 3d 180/360 videos.
So you got the android part wrong. You don’t need a google account to use android. During the setup process you can choose to skip the google sign In. Same on iPhones and apple account. That being said. I got the quest 2. It was still the best deal in VR.
I agree about a locked frame rate being most important, I've had a good time even going down to 45 fps with AWS turned off. Higher framerates is great of course, but I can do with much less as long as it's consistent. As far as FB goes, like anyone else I don't trust them-- but I don't trust the other big companies either, even though I would say I think FB is especially bad. And I am very mixed on FB acting as a censor since I don't trust them to do that wisely, but that's fine on their own social media platform that they own. It's all fair, they can run it how they want. But now someone can act like a moron on Facebook and get locked out of their VR headset? That seems like an awful overreach. If you were just cut off from some FB-required social features when you're banned, that's one thing, but just the ability for them to make your expensive VR headset stop working due to someone (possibly) saying dumb stuff on FB is ridiculous to me. Maybe the way it works out is that the headset keeps working even if ya give FB false info and the acct is flagged/deleted, and maybe you just can't do the lame looking FB VR Chat thingy (and whatever other social features there may be). I would have to give it more time to see how it all shakes out, but currently there's no reason to trust or support them even if I never post on FB and have no worries about getting banned.
"But now someone can act like a moron on Facebook and get locked out of their VR headset?" - this is a MASSIVE exaggeration - you can't just "act like a moron" unless you're classing "hate speech" or "terrorism" as "acting like a moron". Pretty massive strawman you're building there. As for 45/60, etc I agree, so long as you're getting a locked framerate all these people screaming that you "must have 90/120/144" have likely never even used a headset nor tried it at lower framerates.
Well Facebook ain't an issue for me anyways since i've been user with them for quite some time, though my question is that if that VR headset would run normally on my Gaming laptop that is.
...I'm sorry, but what? You locked the Reverb... to 60hz in VR, yet use a 144hz monitor? Dude, what the actual hell? VR kind of needs the higher frame rate, and purposefully locking it down to lower rates kind of invalidates your review, since you neutered the poor thing. On top of that... what went wrong with Virtual Desktop? I went on vacation, with my Quest 1, and was able to tether it to my laptop over wifi (link cable is incompatible with my laptop), and had ZERO issue with Elite and many other titles via wireless streaming. If you had issues, it sounds like either the router was too far away, or the machine you are using is also WiFi bound, which does hurt performance. Not to mention, if you DO use Virtual Desktop, the hand tracking can emulate the controllers, which you can bundle the cockpit mod to allow interaction with just your hands. Also, you did leave out ONE big deal about playing wirelessly: no cable. I know this sounds silly, but being able to move freely around without worrying about unplugging the usb tether is an amazing feeling. It isn't enough for me to trade using my Index, because of one thing you skipped over: The index has a higher vertical FOV over the Quest. This means you can see more of the panels and information as well as above you than normal. Overall, I do think the Quest 2 will be a great headset for anyone, but this feels like an unfair review that makes it appear better than it actually is and is by no means the best headset for Elite Dangerous.
Yep, I knew someone wouldn't understand - thanks for reminding me that people don't understand that everyone is different and that for many 60Hz in VR is preferable because we can run much, much higher settings. And that because it doesn't bother us at all we'd pick prettier frames vs. faster frames, when have have GPUs that can run Elite in ultra settings at 90Hz and get a locked framerate I'll run at 90 as why wouldn't I - this is why I'm planning to get a 3090 as soon as I can but even then it's very doubtful I'll get that level of performance. Again remember I ONLY play seated VR and 80% Elite which is pretty slow paced with even the combat not "fast twitch".
@@Exigeous I mean, back in my DK2 days, 60hz was alright... and the only thing we had at the time. Not to mention, there is one more thing to bear in mind: the Quest somewhat relies on software encoding to feed through the USB (if using the link cable), which also can bog down some requirements. For me, the higher refresh rate is a must (to where I was rather annoyed I couldn't unlock 144hz as an Index owner... believe me, I tried), since I tend to look around a lot even in combat. If a ship goes overhead in a joust, I usually try to keep visual, and if the refresh rate was lower, it'd most likely start to make me feel a bit uneasy. I honestly haven't noticed any hiccups in performance, on VR High with an RTX 2080... but I can only imagine what running desktop Ultra will be like on any headset with the 3090. Despite my complaints, I won't argue the fact the Quest 2 is going to be a fantastic headset for people who want to finally jump in without the heavy pricetag baggage, and if the Q2 is less heavy than the Q1, I can only imagine what Virtual Desktop/Link would be like (I love my Index and Quest, but it seriously feels like wearing a flight recorder on my face at times, which makes me question how the heck did I manage with my Vive?).
@EDTutorials by Exigeous - pretty good video, has me thinking more about getting an entry level VR headset in the future. But what bothered me about the video were the poorly mixed audio levels of you talking and the music when it went from background to foreground. WAY TOO LOUD. Your voice was pretty quiet.
I'm not worried about privacy issues I'm worried about somebody complaining about you posting something they don't like and then you getting your access to your Oculus taken away
I assume that there is a high amount of confirmation bias within your Facebook poll. I expect that a lot of people who wouldn't buy the headset regardless have opted to vote anyways, simply to voice their concerns about Facebook.
And the concern is valid. It is the reason why I will sooner or later sell my current Rift S and buy a different brand. That is called user preference.
@@williamsternritter3214 Yes, the concern is very much valid. I'm just saying that I expect the result of the poll to be higher than actual, real-world number
@@williamsternritter3214 That I expect that a higher portion of people would claim that this policy to them personally is a deal breaker and, that it changed their purchasing decision, compared to how many it actually was, or would be a deal breaker to. Basically, I expect that a not insignificant portion of the votes never were in the market for a Quest 2 anyways, and simply use this poll to say that they don't like Facebook. There is usually a confirmation bias when asking about sensitive or loaded topics. People who have strong beliefs/concerns/opinions are more likely to participate within surveys or similar which could help them to voice the concern, than people who don't really care about the issue. People who aren't emotionally invested in the topic are more likely to simply ignore the poll, and simply scroll past it without ever responding.
I've had major issues with glare and god rays using the quest 2, so much so that the clarity in standalone mode is actually worse than the rift s when trying to watch videos.
I play Elite on Linux. Even despite working for Microsoft, I'm a die-hard Linux user. I'm also a believer in VR, even if I don't currently use a headset. But I *did* back Oculus on Kickstarter, in part because *THEY ADVERTISED LINUX SUPPORT.* Yes, I was upset that Facebook bought Oculus, but that's not *the* dealbreaker for me. The dealbreaker for me is that Oculus FUCKING DITCHED LINUX SUPPORT THE DAY AFTER THE BUYOUT. I am so fucking *INCENSED* about that that I've permanently sworn off Facebook in all parts of my life. A website starts using Facebook comments, I stop going to that website. Someone advocates Oculus, _I seriously consider dropping my support of them._
I've got the quest 2 and it's my first vr headset, I'm not sure if it it's me or its how it should be but the text to me looks a bit fuzzy/blurry. Any ideas/suggestions?
Check the link in the description as there are several things in there you'll want to change. But yeah, it's going to be a bit "fuzzy" as it's still not to full clarity yet (such as the Reverb Pro and forthcoming G2 are)
Great review, well balanced, and covering all bases, and I agree with pretty much all of it. If you can stomach Facebook, it's a surprisingly versatile headset, and what I hope is that the price point will finally start pushing VR into the mainstream of gaming. A lot of people are suddenly going to start being able to afford to try elite in VR, and that's a good thing in my book.
