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Who thought we could re-invent the wheel?
Well this week I thought I'd have a look at the hottest thing to hit the electrical industry since Cory from Artisan Electrics.
The Logic Plus Rapid Fix from MK (Honeywell). This is a 13 amp double pole 2 gang socket outlet, with a few tricks up it's sleeve.
From the front it looks just like an average everyday socket. Spin the thing around and you'll find nowhere to stick your screwdriver!
The colour coded levers are spring loaded terminal clamps! So....
NO SCREWDRIVER REQUIRED
Is this a good thing? well time will tell. It's certainly a nice looking socket with the added perk of being quite easy and fast to install. At the time of this video recording (November 2021) They are priced at £5.99 from Screwfix. See link below. The socket will accept 2.5mm or 4mm cables and can fit into a 25mm back box.
Converting a box room into a working from home office. Sockets were asked for in all four corners of the room to remove the need for extension cords. I thought this would be the perfect opportunity to take a look at the screwless terminal socket.
Thank you for watching let me know what you think!
Here it is on the Screwfix website:
www.screwfix.com/p/mk-logic-p...
#jbeckelectrical #LogicPlusRapidFix #Socket

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@gmeadowcroft84 2 года назад

I bought one for the first time yesterday to fit in a kitchen cupboard. I thought it was a great idea simply because it was awkward to get into the cupboard and I’ll be blunt I couldn’t be asses struggling with a screwdriver in there. I thought they were really good and did make the job easy. Great vid as always mate

@JBE 2 года назад

I can see that they'll be good for awkward access outlets. Like within cupboards supplying appliances. Cheers 😎👍

@Benzknees 2 года назад

Thanks for the review. About time this was introduced. The extra cost should be outweighed by the saving in time & fiddliness of those crappy little flat head screw terminals.

@markhardacre1 2 года назад

I’m glad they’ve changed them, because the screw terminals in MK is shait as Fok. They cut the thread to prevent screw fallout and they’re a bugger to begin the thread on initial tightening, I dropped them for click years ago. They also have wider holes for a nice full width flat head on the click also… I’m waiting until they become as cheap as screw terminals SO’s, but there will always be that situation they’re perfect for to make that job easier… great vid. Keep em coming.

@Leodis.Leather 2 года назад

I think they are a great idea but the levers don’t seem anywhere near as strong or as well built as the wago ones to me, you can just pull the cable out of these when they’re clamped down without too much force

@JBE 2 года назад

Oh really 🤔 I didn't know that. I'll have to have a go next time. Time will tell how they hold up.

@Leodis.Leather 2 года назад

@@JBE yes I can’t imagine them coming loose during normal use but you know you how if you try to pull a cable out of a wago it just wont come out and feels reassuringly solid? Try that with one of these and it does pull out. It’s as if they copied the technology and not very well

@rayc1503 2 года назад

The best thing I brought was Milwaukee's hole hog. I get through joists in no time. It was so good I brought the M18 cordless version too. Great content as usual James 👍🏼

@JBE 2 года назад

Cheers Ray 🤘

@J0nny61 2 года назад

Great video, the MK socket is pretty cool as well, dual earth terminals, no need to torque the terminals as they are pre--set by the manufacturers connectors. I was waiting to see how you got down the back of the skirting board but that didn't happen. I used to do a few domestic installs back in the early 80's but we didn't have laser levels, multitools or impact drivers. The process hasn't changed that much, when we first got SDS plus that was a game changer and peppering holes in the brick to fit a back box became the norm along with the brick hammer and bolster chisel. Before we had portable electric drills we used to use a rawl-tool to make a hole and fit a fibre plug for fixings. Before the rawl-tool they used to knock wooden wedges into mortar joints so you could fix accessory boxes with a wood screw.

@JBE 2 года назад

Early 80s you say! The only thing I was doing back then was filling nappies and sleeping ahh the blissful ignorant days. Now I get no sleep and someone else is filling nappies for ME to change. I used an old worn 16mm flat bit to drill behind the skirting. I've seen the timber in mortar joints way many times, I've even done it myself once or twice for a good fixing. Cheers for watching Jon.

@MrGerry1303 2 года назад

Looking good just after time the conductors don’t drop out of the wagons I sometime find they don’t Grip the conductors properly but still looks good

@havoctrousers 2 года назад

I think they'll be good for the DIY crowd - it's not just the speed of connection, it's the consistency of that connection. They look great for spurs and socket circuits wired in 4mm too - I'm never quite happy that all 3 conductors are satisfactorily screwed into traditional socket terminals for spurs, there's always one cable that wants to slip out!

@JBE 2 года назад

You're right, even with torque settings, all the best equipment and the good old tug test, there's always that uncertainty that that one conductor will flop out or snap off when screwed back to the wall. Not mine of course, mine are all perfect 😁😇👌

@kingofthetrowel1725 2 года назад

Nice one mate 👍👍 good to see you back 🙌🏻🙌🏻

@JBE 2 года назад

What kind of trowel are you king of? Plastering or bricklaying?

@kingofthetrowel1725 2 года назад

@@JBE 😂😂 bricklaying mate😉😉 well there’s hardly any brick where I am, everything’s block and stone 🤣🤣 I wanted to be king of electrics but when I tried to cut some t+e with mi trowel I thought sod this to much like hard work 😆😆

@JBE 2 года назад

@@kingofthetrowel1725 haha block and stone, where are you Dover Castle? I've do a little brickwork in my days but only on stuff that's definitely going to be covered up afterwards 🤣. I learned my lesson and now stick with wires. Besides the thought of lifting blocks just makes my arms and joints hurt.....even more than they do already!

@kingofthetrowel1725 2 года назад

@@JBE 🤣🤣 Dover castle🤔 they say there’s a trowel wedged in a rock that no one can pull out 🤣🤣 abit far for me to travel from sunny West Yorkshire, otherwise I would go pull it out as I am.....king of the trowel 😁🤣😁🤣 yea my whole body hurts when I breathe mate, was seriously thinking of a career change as a sparky, but there is just so much to take in and remember and them Ze and Zs’s confuse me, I’ve only recently just learned the alphabet so jobs ducked 😂😂

@JBE 2 года назад

@@kingofthetrowel1725 🤣 I fumble through it OK and I haven't a clue what I'm doing. Hmm West Yorkshire, so if I look East you're just over that hill 👋

@cypeman8037 2 года назад

Of course they’re here to stay. Wago connectors have been a massive improvement on choc blocks and this is just the next phase 🙄 I thought it would be some years before we saw these sockets, we’re way behind in this upgrade.

@ghspaelectricalservices9296 2 года назад

I like them, especially if you are spuring off a socket to, so much easier to get all the cables terminated, I did hear there thinking of trying a fused spur version.

@JBE 2 года назад

That would be great! I'm sure they'll make a pendant too!

@acelectricalsecurity 2 года назад

The main benefit is, you won't get some idiot sticking 4 cables in a socket

@ghspaelectricalservices9296 2 года назад

@@acelectricalsecurity this is true,

@sophieclips 2 года назад

@@acelectricalsecurity hold my beer.... !!!!

@Christopher_T_Paul 2 года назад

I love maintenance free connections, use them all the time. Generally I will use Ideal pushfit combined with their junction boxes, but I always have Wago on the van as well. The idea of this socket is great, but the price is high. They are nice to fit, especially with the 3 seperate connectors making spurs a doddle. As standard I use Schneider Lisse and they are £4.50 per unit cheaper. I replaced 28 units in a house today after a remodel, and a customer would be quite upset if I passed on the £100+ extra charges, the quote may have cost me the job.

@JBE 2 года назад

They will come down in price in time, but they are still basic. No USB, no anti bacteria faceplate, no WiFi and no smart technology.

@Ragnar8504 2 года назад

@@JBE I'm sure they will. Everywhere else in Europe screw terminals on switches and sockets pretty much disappeared in the mid-90s. Only the cheapest of the cheapest sockets still have them. There were some switches with screwless terminals as early as the late 70s. Unlike MK's they're usually only rated for two solid conductors per terminal though, so you can still get screw terminals on special order for caravans, motorhomes and other applications that require stranded wire.

@robinpenny3193 2 года назад

The most interesting thing in this video was you appeared to us a special drill to make holes in the back box, but it only features briefly with no indication what it's called, how good it is, or how I might get one. Perhaps discussed in another video somewhere?

@JBE 2 года назад

Yes definitely Robin, I've featured it in another video where I've had to use it to adapt equipment to suit my needs.

@markhardacre1 2 года назад

Cone drill

@train4905 8 месяцев назад

Exellent😊

@JBE 8 месяцев назад

Cheers, have you used these sockets?

@garyredmond1890 2 года назад

I think wago type terminals are the future, not just a fad. How many sockets, JB's etc have you opened up over the years and found loose terminal screws? Lots I'd guess. Great job!

@JBE 2 года назад

Cheers Gary 👍

@acelectricalsecurity 2 года назад

True, but that's not down to the accessory, it's the dick heads fitting them

@alexayers7518 2 года назад

Are you not allowed to junction box the ring main under the floor boards where that socket was and spur off it from there?

@JBE 2 года назад

Yes you could do that. If it's not going to be an accessible place then use a maintenance free junction box like Wago, Ideal or Hager provide.

@raywelshman 2 года назад

Hi James, what about the situation when you take a spur off a ring like you did in this video, how do you connect the earth lead to the backbox? you have only room for 3 earth conductors, do you put 2 earth wires in one connector, I have tested this myself and they appear to hold and test ok, you said you were going to change the other socket, how did you deal with 4 earth wires? Regards from Ray in North Wales.

@JBE 2 года назад

Take one of the cpc's from the ring final circuit, put about 3 inches of sleeving on it, then bend a V into it, bring it to the earth lug on the back of the back box and connect it, then sleeve the remaining cpc and terminate into one of the 3 levers. I hope that's understandable? 🤷🏼‍♂️😳👀. If not check out my channel, video number (53) where I can be seen doing this in a kitchen. Although not on this new super socket, just a regular version.

@markhardacre1 2 года назад

I think they’ll take 2CPCs in one port, same as wago

@raywelshman 2 года назад

@@markhardacre1 Hi, yes I have already tested it with Wago, they appear to make good contact and survive a tug test ok..

@bruciebbrock708 2 года назад

having 3 separate Wago type connectors is good... with screw type (standard) they sometimes dont clamp properly and fall out but at £ 5.99 ? Comments ?

@JBE 2 года назад

£5.99 is too expensive. You can buy in bulk (not sure on the price). Once the price comes down more sparks will use them I'm sure of it.

@andrewwilson8717 2 года назад

Out of interest how come you didn't join the socket into the ring using the ring cables under the floorboards? Would have saved chasing out the existing socket id have thought.

@JBE 2 года назад

The floor is getting laminated and all the skirting renewed. I wanted to make the joint behind the existing socket so it's accessible for future sparkys. I would always prefer to make a joint/connection in an accessible location such as a socket outlet. Joints under the floor in maintenance free boxes are a great plan B. But why have cotton when you can have silk? IMO anyway 🙂👍.

@rowanNClangley 2 года назад

for a re-wire where I have a whole load of sockets to fit £5 a socket is something I will get back through getting off site a lot sooner

@JBE 2 года назад

Even cheaper if you buy in bulk.

@acelectricalsecurity 2 года назад

Really, If you had 20 of those sockets is over £100, in click they cost me less than £40, plus you are committed to using all mk accessories, so I don't see a saving

@smitthyy 2 года назад

Pull out a bit too easy for me tbh. If someone smashes into a surface mounted box I'd be worried the faceplate will pull free and leave the conductors exposed tbh. I don't worry about that with the usual screw terminal types.

@JBE 2 года назад

Good point although if someone smashes into it then hopefully that'll get the spark round there even quicker to fix it?

@smitthyy 2 года назад

@@JBE you'd think so 😳😂

@jmf5392 8 месяцев назад

Would of liked to have seen how easy it was to get the third wire cable into the existing socket

@JBE 8 месяцев назад

Bloody nightmare 😳 but also easy enough if you know what you're doing 😉

@jonathanelgol2283 Месяц назад

As a DIY-er, the Logic Plus Rapid Fix from MK 13 amp double pole 2 gang socket is one of the worst I've used. Having pushed the cables in properly on open levers, then pushing the levers fully down, the cables would often be loose so that I could pull them out again. I eventually got them to fit so that they would not pull out, but I've lost my confidence with these and have gone back to the screw fix connections. Disappointed because I've always trusted MK and paid the extra for what I thought was good quality.

@JBE Месяц назад

Yes, unfortunately MK are not the trusted quality manufacturer we all thought they were. They've been bought out years ago and now all their products seem to have dropped their standards! I fit an MK consumer unit about 6 years ago and it was a horrible experience.

@sleepingwarrior4618 2 года назад

The problem with them is the ability of the wire to pull backwards out of its home. As you move the socket away from the wall, if you don't realise they are fitted, you can easily pull the live and neutral out at the same time and that's no good if you don't have the power off at the time.

@JBE 2 года назад

Yes, that's something we'll all have to think about from now on when inspecting.

@superiorbeing95 2 года назад

Talking of sockets, why do they melt when running a fan heater for a number of hours? Plugs I've recently had melt also, if they are rated at 13 amps surely a 2kw appliance shouldn't cause catastrophic failure? The MK look nice and are the best i think

@JBE 2 года назад

Hmm 🤔 melting sockets and plugs! Not sure what's going on there? 2KW for a long period of time might make some connections hot? But melting is something wrong in the system somewhere.

@superiorbeing95 2 года назад

@@JBE Actually it was the plug on a 4 way extension gang, nothing else plugged in, absolute molten plastic around the live pin. Cheapo socket from screwfix melted a little with crack also, same 2kw load over a period of time. Nothing wrong with the wiring, I think sockets and especially plugs are not up to the loads for continued use. MK make one plug that almost looks like an old bakolite it's that's thick a housing, I bet they would have no issue, so how do these cheapo plugs get passed? How many fires will they cause? Great channel by the way

@metallitech 2 года назад

6 quid is not bad. Would look better with the little screw hole covers. Job looks good except for that filler.

@JBE 2 года назад

The filler was horrible and I regretted it afterwards. Luckily it sanded down good and helped act as a key to the one strike filler that went on top.

@barnabybot 2 года назад

Lot of extra work when you could have used wago 32a push fit under the floor.

@leonblittle226 2 года назад

They are the absolute go to product for taking a spur off a ring!

@JBE 2 года назад

Yep 100% agree.

@supersparks9466 2 года назад

Just wago the cables in the back of a standard socket if your worried about connecting 3 cables

@tonygoshive785 2 года назад

Damn these sockets are sexy, they are definitely here to stay. How much are they and do they do a more modern look ones? On a note, so much faster with a sds, also carry some bonding 60 with you, they are so handy with filling chases, sets in less than 60 mins, fillers aren’t really suitable for chases, especially these ready mixed ones. And they take forever to set with such a deep fill

@JBE 2 года назад

Bonding 60 👍 I'll look into it Tony. The sockets are £5.99 each from Screwfix.

@rayc1503 2 года назад

PVA followed by one coat plaster the white stuff, works for me 👍🏼.

@mugs66 2 года назад

I love how they copied the colours from your logo onto the levers on the back of the socket, nice branding 🤣

@JBE 2 года назад

I know cheeky buggers 😉🤘🔵🟢🟤

@ScottMcD91 2 года назад

Would it not been easier to extend the ring under the floor on the existing socket? Save the second chase? Decent job as always

@steve11211 2 года назад

I'm glad I was not the only one thinking that, can always run two cables to put it on the ring, would make it easier for the next guy if they wanted to add another socket next to it..

@ScottMcD91 2 года назад

@@steve11211 More acceptable now with wage boxes and connectors. Leaving a good solid joint under the floor is fine in my eyes. Would always write on the floor board for the next person. But this guys a cracking spark knows his stuff

@steve11211 2 года назад

@@ScottMcD91 Yeah totally agree.. If it had been me doing that job with my luck the existing cables would have gone down from the socket 1 inch then gone off on a 45 degree angle and I would have cut through them.. Nothing wrong with the job, so many ways to do a job no one right way..

@JBE 2 года назад

It was just the job I was doing and the way I planned it. You're right as are a few others on here, a maintenance free Wago or in-sure box terminated correctly would of been equally acceptable. There's more than one way to skin a cat, chances are if you put it on here someone will correctly inform you it could of been carried out a different way. Cheers Scott.

@ScottMcD91 2 года назад

@@JBE Atleast you have the guts to post it mate you make great videos. Even I’m still learning from some of them keep up the good work

@Dog-whisperer7494 2 года назад

Can I have your screwdrivers , as if you are now installing that crap you don’t need your screwdrivers anymore .😡🤣great video though 👍❤️

@JBE 2 года назад

I still need them to crowbar the floor up with. 🤔🪛

@Dog-whisperer7494 2 года назад

@@JBE those sockets ant bad but I don’t think they will become the norm Nice clean job you did mate 👍👍👍❤️

@Dog-whisperer7494 2 года назад

By the way has your wife filed for a deforce yet 🤣? If not then for your sake don’t let her see the start of the video you did with the god that is David Savery 😂👌jokes aside that was a brilliant video David is so funny

@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 2 года назад

Why didnt you split the ring under the boards? You wouldnt have the chase on the feed socket then

@JBE 2 года назад

In all honesty and in my opinion with hand on (Red) heart. You're right, Eric is the King. Best thing to happen to MUFC since Sir Alex. My goodness how we miss them both now 😌.

@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 2 года назад

@@JBE Your not wrong mate how lucky we was to watch fergies teams especially with eric

@JBE 2 года назад

@@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 These lot today will never know of real players wanting to play for the club, instead of all these overpaid mercenaries. I'm glad we have Ronaldo back (for now) but I bet even he's thinking wtf happend? It's safe to say that we've had some of the best players and managers in the world since Sir Alex left! Yet what have they done? There sure are some overpriced overhyped lads in the squad these days.

@ericthekingthekingtheking4842 2 года назад

@@JBE Yep theres alot of work to be done for this new imterim manager and whoever they get full time next season as managee

@kendoknackersackee 2 года назад

Who doesn't like a really solid, nice tight back box?

@JBE 2 года назад

😆🤏👌

@malcb1864 2 года назад

That horse hair wasn't asbestos..

@JBE 2 года назад

I think it was Shergars grandads tail?

@alexdougherty4905 2 года назад

I got one the other day to tit around with😆

@JBE 2 года назад

Nice, what did you think of them? Personally I quite like them.

@alexdougherty4905 2 года назад

@@JBE pretty smart mate, i would be very interested in where they go next with it. Maybe spurs or light switches 🤔

@JBE 2 года назад

@@alexdougherty4905 Or ceiling pendants? Technically they could make a consumer unit out of the things! #watchthisspace

@alexdougherty4905 2 года назад

@@JBE oh defo mate. A pendant would a great for them to do next👍

@michealplater9007 2 года назад

Earthing the box, wait for the hate comments

@JBE 2 года назад

I'll be honest I don't always do it. Although I do think it's best practice. The perfect electrician just like the perfect man, does not exist.

@acelectricalsecurity 2 года назад

Mk were the first company to design the socket with curves, then everyone copied them. These sockets are like every time saving product in the electrical industry, too expensive, manufacturers, price themselves out the market, the time saving does not justify the cost, especially when I can get a click twin socket for less than £2.

@JBE 2 года назад

I suppose it depends on what the customer wants? Some socket accessories are near that price anyway. But yeah by the time you add on your bit they become quite a cost to pass over.

@JD-gi9pl 2 года назад

They're OK but... please don't take away our screwdrivers 😭

@JBE 2 года назад

Have you used one JD? They'll never take my screwdrivers 🤣

@JD-gi9pl 2 года назад

@@JBE not yet. I will though. I plan on keeping a couple on the van. They'll be ideal for maintenance fits where you're left with next to no length on the cable, and spurs. Even 25mm back boxes. Just gives a bit of extra confidence when you're pushing it back knowing they're in their own terminals. I wouldn't spec them on an upgrade job yet though, mainly a price thing at this stage. But then again, there'll be jobs where I probably wish I had 😁 it's a decent product. If I'm being a bit picky, it would be the way they're marketed with the multi colour terminals. You walk through the door at screwfix and you know they're advertising it as a DIY product. Doesn't stop it being a very good product though and there's no doubt that lever connections have big benefits.

@JBE 2 года назад

@@JD-gi9pl Yep, they do say "buy me buy me" to a builder/DIYer who might see it and think "this is even easier for me now, I just join the colours up" 🤣. They would be an absolute joy to install on a second fix rewire in an empty property with 35mm back boxes. With some great tunes on the wireless and the temperature just right, while the apprentice comes back with KFC for lunch. 😋👍 Think I got a bit carried away with myself there, dream jobs only happen on "other RU-vid channels" 🤣.

@JD-gi9pl 2 года назад

@@JBE I'd love a KFC. Instead I'm usually panic eating a Ginsters on the way to the supplier because a 2 hour job is about to take over the day 😁

@JBE 2 года назад

@@JD-gi9pl Me too!! I'm normally gagging on a sausage roll that's way too hot, while trying not to get pastry in my beard, while also navigating a 6 way roundabout in the rain. (That last bit was a joke Mr plod) it's a 7 way motorway roundabout 😎🌭

@jamescarver6275 2 года назад

Employing a what?????

@JBE 2 года назад

Vacuum cleaner, I know must sparks don't know what that is but I thought I'd try and keep the mess down to a minimum. I can't exactly film myself sweeping it under the floor boards 😜🤫

@SniemGoogle 2 года назад

Why on earth didn't you replace the existing socket as well with an MK? Looks really bad having different types in a room. Very unprofessional.

@JBE 2 года назад

Watch till the end, I did but didn't film it. I've had the MK super socket for months and was waiting for a chance to get it installed somewhere. Using a wood chisel to chop plaster out the wall, now that's deeply unprofessional!

@markhardacre1 2 года назад

🙄