Okumura Is A Broken Mess (Persona 5 Royal) 

it's literally so fucking hard, getting my ass destroyed by the reaper seems like a trip to the beach than okumara

The first time I fought Okumura I got to the green trashcans and I fought what felt like 40 of them and at the end I had two party members dead, Joker had three sp left and I could not hit their weakness or revive anyone so I quit the battle and tried again I COULDN'T GET BACK TO THE GREEN TRASHCANS AGAIN BECAUSE THE BLUE ONES KEPT RUNNING AWAY. ( I hate Okumura)

@@chaosmaster2748 I am sorry for your experience

chaos master I ran Joker Haru Morganna and Ryuji for my set up

@@fractalcloud8543 It took me 2 days, with overall 3 something hours on normal, it was hard. i refused to play on a higher difficulty, but it was a lot of making sure I used the right personas, and adding up Baton passes. it's challenge sucks and it made me super irritated

F (Rly, that's so sad XD I hope that you're still sane)

during my fight I also tried killing her instead of guarding and got a lucky crit with Izanagi Picaro and Cross Slash

I used the Messiah Picaro + Concentrate and Ryuji and was able to kill her... I didn’t know you could have just charged and I was panicking lol

LOL I DID THAT TOO, but i ended up surviving

Same! That was Haru herself who told to do that, damn Haru!

Agree. Those darn green robots...

@@Lazaruz95 Eh. Thats silly. Why not just a smaller ffinite amount period. The biggest issue is damage sponge bots IMO. I don't care about the rotation. Just why are the bots are able to take double LV3 Baton Passes that's stupid

@@Lazaruz95 the biggest issue is their resistances.

That and there's no all out attack with no explanation. Like, I'm all for a boss that wants you to emphasize a specific mechanic, but it feels cheap when the only way for that process to "work" is to randomly remove another core mechanic.

@@keithrichards8123 Pretty sure it's because Okumura is still vibing in the background, but considering he's unable to be damaged (thus preventing all out attacks) it's still a stupid idea.

just got to that point in my playthrough. agh. wish whoever that black mask mf was would invite me to join their phantom thieves.

Akechi my man, thank you

I maxed all confidants on my first playthrough and I'm normally bad at managing my time the game is way too generous now.

I didnt realize how maxing confidants had an impact on the end game scenes, and only focused on maxing it out on my waifus, even going on to hanging out with them after alr maxed out lmao. Gonna play P5R with a new mindset.

@@genericgoat1475 focus on the fortune confidant as soon as possible, her affinity reading ability is now a rank 5 ability instead of 7.

At the very least? Royal has improvements across the board, with running outside, fusion alarms, auto text, even adding a phone call at most confidant ranks to have it level faster.

@@13en83 same goes for the combat system. It feels like a ng+ instead of a fresh new game. The experience is kinda ruined for new players.

Or you need to have dlc 99 personas, and still then it knows how to be difficult

I agree, the whole thing with the robots running away after 3 turns (sometimes it felt even less) is what put it over the edge for me.

@@otonfratric6334 Izanagi with his 3 base skills deals with him easyle

I used Kaguya after I died about 4 or 5 times to this boss. Had refused to do so because the Shining Arrows ability is broken but whatever, the game wasn't playing fair either haha.

Or use strategies. I only failed once because and I beat him using strategies via switching party members mid fight and concentrate

Wow, that makes perfect sense. Tho tbh, I also figured out pretty quickly that you needed bombs to get through the first 3 waves, which I did pretty fast. You need Concentrate and/or Magic Ability tho, which is obtainable via Network Fusion (you can also obtain Satanael's Pagan Allure trait by spamming the heck out of it with the menu)

Of memory serves right you weren't able to all out during this fight in P5O so him commenting on it makes no sense

Kyle Kautz It is still stupid and nulls one of the main/iconic mechanics of this game.

@@ronelm2000 I got victory cry by random after futaba's palace :D

That is absolutely horrible designing.

first i did it on hard, because i played the whole game on hard, and after i failes so many times on this boss i put it on normal..

How does it help?

Kuuga In Merciless the damage multipliers are increased due to the stronger enemies, so in reality you can actually defeat the robots a lot more easily.

@@amirgarcia547 Don't regular attacks also become a lot weaker as well? Never played on merciless (currently playing hard) but it looked like in the video he took way less damage than my blocking defense buffed party on hard.

@@snozer6966 The increase in damage and health from the enemies is not nearly enough to make the boss harder than if you did it without the merciless multipliers, it'll guarantee you can take them out without worry. Trust me I did it on the first try on merciless and couldnt understand what everyone on normal and hard was talking about, it just seemed like a very boring fight.

Every single robot has no resistance togun damage.

I basically used items to increase baton pass for my other allies then a mapsio from haru ending with a double mapsio from joker

I basically grinded up an 99 all stat Arsene and nuked it with a gun build I didnt know about the boss change, but when under merciless, with the right buffs(speed master and attack master) a good build destroys it Also utilizing the hell out of itemization can get multiple great items like an psi attack st item for a person, or yuske with a +12 str item by the 3rd palace, which thanks to the double stat glitch, is +24 strength early game Tech damage destroyed them also, things that were not put in the non royal, the game isn't easily done without it

deathblade32 how do you make an arsene like that ?

Icematt12 yeah but guns do little to no damage

Nice to know I wasn’t the only one

well it's literally easiest on the hardest difficulty so why would you feel shame about that lmao

@@Dell-ol6hb i still felt like i was cheating putting it in merciless as it made my damage a lot better than it shoulda been

I would have felt shame. This battle is actually hardest on hard. Which is retarded because it shouldn't be super easy on the hardest difficulty compared to just hard. I beat it on hard after 5 attempts a lot of raging and a couple of breaks a way from the game. Didn't use cheese dlc persona either. The best feeling in the world was getting past those goddamn green robots. That was the only portion of the fight I struggled with.

yeah thats a spoiler for the whole ass game

Its my first playthrough and honestly I'm not even mad that I'm seeing the spoilers 😂 l literally yelled "Fuck yes" when I saw okumaru get shot

Yah...didn’t appreciate that major spoiler in what is supposed to be a video about near the halfway point of the game...still tho, i appreciate not being the only one who thought this fight was atrocious!

Could you at least edit your comment and bring the spoilers down, so people have to press *read more* Appreciate the warning but your words are literally just sitting out for anyone to accidentally read/skim through....luckily I avoided it

I got spoiled already that Akechi killed Futaba's mom, but he did that too? Goddamnit I'm just about to steal Sae's treasure, this prolly gets revealed in the hour and half dialogue after it right??? Man I was hoping to relieve some Okumura pain but now I think I've come across more pain knowing that Akechi really seems to dislike Joker

I basically beat him in 10 rounds with only MC surviving because the last robot put im in "Hunger " und "Heal" purgatory, lol-

Literally all I did was go back a day, and then splatter kill a bunch of underleveled personas in mementos for like 20 minutes to gain about 4 levels (and bought items to buff attack from Jose) and beat him in 2 tries after. Compared to the ridiculous amount of grinding you'd have to do in P3 at times, this is nothing. This boss is a bit frustrating admittedly, but it's really not that big of a deal

I hit it was a super buffed arsene, I made him a gun build OSK, Riot gun and gun amp, gun boost apt pupil. 1 shot first wave, 1 bottle second wave, almost 1 shot 3rd wave, and ripped last wave in seconds

Same here. What I think really helped me was that Hifumi ability of switch party members in their own turns. And since I already lost the first fight also knew the order of their weaknesses.

My persona was level 51 and I still didn’t beat him also I was at level 44 and I still can’t beat him :(

not you i barely made on my 3rd try because yusuke was a total bro and scored a crit on the defense boosted 3rd wave leftover robot

I managed it on the first try but that shit was just annoying

I got him on my scend try. It was so annoying. That you have to hit the grunts.with a specific attribute. But you have to kill all of them. In one shot. Or you have to do it all over again.

not you Haru carried, I found the fight with the 4 Green robots as the most difficult

@@shugen6397 same here. I so hate damage sponge boss fights.

Smt 5 true neutral route in a nutshell

Yeah idk why he thinks it was supposed to be some big twist no ome saw coming

@@pugbro2297 yeah exactly. Even if you didn't suspect the exact thing happening, there's like 16 separate instances where the phantom Thieves say shit like "hmmm, isn't it weird we haven't found a single piece of info on the mental shutdowns or the black mask person ever since we started this palace? Hmmm, that's so weird!" Throughout the palace.

@@HyenaFox I thought it was obvious much earlier. Starting back when Akechi heard mona talk about "cakes", And then Akechi happening upon the P Thieves outside okumura foods... Anyone else notice those or just me...?

@@kleinuzimacki8873 everybody who finished the game realized the first point because the game outright gives you a flashback to that moment

@@shaquilleeurope2600 I only just recently best okumura for the first time... Never finished it...

Exactly what I did because of the giant black bot

Yeah a concentrate plus using items to knock down the enemies then using baton pass to get to joker and then using myriad truths decimates them. So hes dead wrong on this lol

BY THE MYRIAD TRUTHS

Ok nice reference my nigga

this video just proofs that if you know how to overcome an obsticle its a breeze. granted if you dont have the dlc personas you dont have a lvl 90 persona at this point to disproof his arguments

I’m lucky I was on Merciless when I went into the fight, did it on the first attempt

I only used Mangantsu Izagani and his Curse AoE

So did I lol. I litterally said out loud "thank you"

honestly turning up the difficulty is actually the easiest way to win. The damage modifiers make it a cake walk

Yeah when the black bot started big bang bugering every other round I said I'm done here and brought out THE WORLD Izanagi no Okami and cheated

That actually would interesting

Dunno why they kept insisting on showing us what's going to happen before it does.

Or instead...show Okumura getting shot as a flashback when Okumura is having his mental shutdown. There ya go Atlus. And also tone down on the blantant foreshadowing which has the game essentially screaming in a microphone at the player's face "OKUMURA IS GONNA DIE AND THE PHANTOM THIEVES ARE GONNA BE BLAMED FOR IT" How about just have Haru type in the chat that she sees her father's condition's worsening and having a bad feeling and when Okumura shows up at the conference, he looks like the principal before his moments of death. (Like sweating and being extremely anxious)

@@cynicalducky1041 i would say blame gamers who need handholding for everything in games (like questmarkers,magic compass/map, journal entry who tell always exactly the nest step) etc. Atlus wanted to make a Persona game for Main stream and which young and old audience could enjoy. And they massivly succeeded in that with Persona 5. to that end they had to make a story that could be very easily followed and digested and not only by gamers with a good attention span. Its the same reason why some of the character writing did suck immensly at time. Like Ryuji who was at the time of the first palace not only the best bro you could wish for but also clever at times (remember the time when he put the faces of abused kids to his memory so that they could question them in the real world? ) and after that he was just "the loud moron" and guy anyone dunked on, he became a flat character just so other characters could shine more and the audience could easily put him in a box.

Ockersteby that’s rude af... but 100% true, you get a like because it made me laugh lol

his palace isn't that hard. Weird, yes. Difficult, not really. Not to mention his boss fight is a joke, especially if you know what you're doing. maybe it's because I barely remember it and I just found Shido's palace way more frustrating.

@@GiordanDiodato It's definitely annoying, with its time limits, Morgana telling you the treasure is just up ahead but then needing to spend time completing airlock puzzles, and this boss fight is something else in Royal. This is just a nitpick but I also felt that Okumura's palace had the worst palace theme.

Especially when you consider how palaces have been thus far. Castle? Yeah thieves always loot castles Museum? Paintings like the Mona Lisa have the eye of many theives for years.(and a certain blond-haired murderer) Bank? THAT'S BASIC THIEVERY 101 Tomb? There's entire games and movies based around tomb robbing. Then there's a fucking space station... WHO STEALS FROM THERE??? THE ALIENS???

@@AsinfulParadox To be fair: If I had the chance to rob a space station, I wouldn't be able to resist.

merciless triples the damage for critical,weak and technical for both foes and you along with ur allies

​@@ryanp7546yeah, my only complaint about royal is new game plus lack of challenge, and merciless being so dumb because it doesn't increase the health bars of the enemy, sure they hit harder but so do you, and if you make op personas then you are literally invincible, there's no big reward for being start, you feel like Saitama honestly, holding back just to have fun, I know it's not going to happen but I wish Persona 5 got an update that made Merciless as difficult as it is in P5 Strikers, because there you practically need op personas, and even then you'll still probably get a game over.

I put it on merciless, it made the fight super winnable..since crits do 3x than usual

did we do the exact same thing LOL? eventually put it to merciless to make it easier

Level is not as important as having the right teammates and personas. Granted, this fight in particular also requires at least a few psy and wind items to make it doable, which is not something you can get on the spot.

Man, I went blind into the fight thinking it would be like the last ones, I've been fighting this thing for 2 days on level 34, was about to advance once and at the last minute, with a punch away from being defeated the chuncky green guy fleed, like wtf?

@@alexfernandez882 34 level is way too low, you should be at least 45.

I remember it being much worse in P5 then P5R. Seems like they toned it down a little. I do feel that both were at fault but yeah morgana totally picks on Ryuji a ton. Also it felt more like Ryuji was teasing Morgana back more then anything else.

its not only mona, all of them do it, u can see it after shidos palace, ryuji saved all of them and they beat them up for something he had no controll over.. it made me so mad. yeah ryuji is loud and he is a little dumb but why does everyone have something mean to say to him? ryuji is often the person who brings the plot in motion, he says something and ah yeah whats it..

@@LinUzumaki that enraged me more than anything, but I was trying to avoid turning my comment into a rant. Ryuji may be a bit book dumb and impulsive, but he's far from stupid. He's the one that brought the model gun and medicine in the first place. But after nearly dying they just leave him unconcious on the street. Even you, his best friend. Single worst moment of the game for me.

James McDonald What Morgana and Ryuji had before that moment was just playful banter about Ryuji being dumb and Morgana being a shifty cat. It honestly surprises me how much it bothers a lot of people but everyone’s different. In terms of that argument, I don’t think Ryuji did anything wrong since Morgana was literally looking for a reason to leave in that instance. Felt weird how everyone was on his case for just defending himself.

James McDonald What Morgana and Ryuji had before that moment was just playful banter about Ryuji being dumb and Morgana being a shifty cat. It honestly surprises me how much it bothers a lot of people but everyone’s different. In terms of that argument, I don’t think Ryuji did anything wrong since Morgana was literally looking for a reason to leave in that instance. Felt weird how everyone was on his case for just defending himself.

Lmaoooo double tapped his ass. I was like " I assume you watch zombieland Akechi?"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO TRUUUEEE

Yeah, bit of weird game design where the boss is easiest on the supposedly hardest difficulty. I beat it on hard, but took ages.

yea it's so much easier on merciless, you just gotta make sure not to get crit, technical or weak attacked by the enemies or it will like insta kill you

Just had the same experience today!

I still had my ass handed to me on merciless, just now redownloading royal to finally try and get past him

I think some dev probably inverted logic accidently for difficulty in this boss fight... Imagine boss fight where hardest difficulty is easiest and easiest difficulty is hardest... what the actuall heck xDD

The last time i hated a boss this much was the bed of chaos in dark souls 1

@@PBandJ21 at least you can run back at it after dying and continuing on from where you left off xD Even the devs realized it was a bad boss.

@@luigipunk25 true

I'm glad they nerfed the Palace tho. It was way fun to go through it imo.

did they change Shido's palace to not be a boring and frustrating mess?

@@GiordanDiodato The rat sections are less tedious and way shorter, and it feels more streamlined, and I liked the will seed placements so I think so.

I think the Okumura arc could have been allot better if Kaneshiro's and Okumura's palaces had been swapped and they didn't make it as obviously Akechi was the traitor. Medjed would then have a reason to target the PTs, and they'd take Kaneshiro's heart to prove their justice, and Sae would be told to look into them much earlier. After Okumura died would be when Morgana leaves, and instead of finishing the palace to unlock Futaba, you instead unlock her from the beginning as a replacement nav to Morgana

@@GiordanDiodato felt the same to me just with added will seeds and king frost swapped out for the savage fights

It's merciless in general. Because of how they overtuned it, it's the easiest difficulty

Exactly the same experience for me but it took me nearly two months to come back to it.

it’s ok, you’re just one of those fainthearted snowflakes

@Peter Balls nah really if Persona 5 is infuriatingly difficult to you, stick with Minecraft

@Peter Balls it’s ok, you’re wasting your time on YT reading these comments so you’re not really on a higher pedestal than me

@Peter Balls you’re trying too hard to get under my skin it’s almost funny

Im too used to most enemies either nulling or repelling curse...

Same

Hydra X9K *Especially in boss fights*

Good luck is what's really needed for this battle. Best thing I can say is build up a persona that is has block on physical attacks and DR and block for some elements. The battle is tough but what makes it's real hard is when joker gets targeted several times in a row.

@@buckroger6456 not really in my multiple attempts at this boss joker was actually targeted the least so there is rng there. you dont really need to be on the defensive in this fight you want powerful personas that can deal magic damage to all the enemies on their weaknesses defense wont get you too far in this fight though it is important. use the item you got from the will seeds of Kaneshiro the one that buffs defense and you should survive fine as long as you arent weak to the enemies attacks. you want to really aggresive and try to debuff the enemies defense cause if you dont the enemy will just respawn

Kevin Espada I would also recommend bringing a persona that can inflict dizzy or sleep, specifically for the black robot. The reason being that technical damage in Royal is a lot better and more viable then regular P5. Assuming you have your technical rank at 3 from playing Billiards, it makes it that if you technical you will have a 50% chance of downing the enemy with a physical attack. Also I would recommend using Makoto because she can heal and has access to Dekunda which clears away all of Okumura’s debuffs from your entire party.

Ben Laufer Yup. I'm thinking making Makoto into Buffer/healer/attacker character. I had good success doing that in OG P5, especially now Makoto got better in royal.

@@zyvan3179 the respawning part is what makes the battle hard since later the enemies will just dip out on you at half health. What I've found out is most people don't get that in this battle it's all about the batton pass and knocking enemies down then making them stand up again to get knocked back down.

And the a-hole never stops talking and having his daughter stroke his ego.

Once I got to 5 minutes, I was mashing that A button!

I'll never get why when the main character dies in these games everyone else forgets they can just revive him for some reason. Maybe if they made it so it was game over if he stayed dead for 2 to 3 turns or something it'd make a little more sense and feel less like bs.

@@Superluigi881 I was about to say they can't do it without his orders but then realized when you let them act freely they can use Revival Beads Why dude

@@Superluigi881 That’s a big plus to p5 strikers, the party can actually keep fighting when joker is down and it’s great

Ehhhhh... To me this game would be WAY TOO EASY if Joker could be revived. It's all about balancing. It doesn't make it any less frustrating, I'm not happy when Joker faints and the rest of the team are alive, but being able to revive Joker would break the battle system more than it already is

@@royalcass the game's already easy, with the exception of joker getting crit or targeted

They attack one ally, buff the ally's defense or evasion and your good to go. Hell switch out the target so only one of your allies take 3 damage instead of the 4

yeah no cap this fight was hella easy, people just cant properly baton pass

@@iceboundsatyr5108 Who the fuck do you baton pass to after the 2nd? You can't baton pass to yusuke because they resist physical, and you can only hit their weakness a max of twice with haru and joker. And if you wasted a single turn using charge or concentrate or buffing attack or decreasing defense, then they'd run away. I bet you played on easy or merciless.

i could only win this fight after using mapsiodyne on joker after having morgana and ryuji use fucking psy magatamas. such a stupid fucking fight

_EXACTLY! Tryhards really think they're skilled lmfao-_

you thing yamato was bad after 2 attempts i went fuck it and spawned in messieah picaro

seeing as how they vastly improved the madarame fight, I was really hoping they'd improve this one but instead they did the opposite. Sucks cause i'm about to start his palace soon too

Getting Strength Arcana to Lvl5 by them is easy as all hell though, I think I had them at lvl 10 by then not sure, but easily 5.

I was level 44 or 45 when I beat him on hard mode. This fight was just using baton pass to the max and swapping members.

You clearly didn't see how much Ryuji's confidant breaks Mementos requests then(put that along with more items from Jose and you'll have everything you'd ever need and levels to back it up, along with special treatment at level 5 if being op is your way of going about things)

I too used a dlc persona, but i went slightly more chill and used thanatos picaro instead

I was at okumura and was about to kill him and ran out of time because of the green robots phase taking so long

Sam Kustes her explosion is weak af

PandaAnimated what happens if you run out of time? Like what kind of things does he say

@@LightKing1237 it happened to me yesterday, he escaped with that "UFO" and everyone died because the palace exploded

Sam Kustes her explosion was super weak. Your party was can guard against her attack and you will have time and HP left to win the game

A lot like The Hollow Forest From P4G which I hated.

It only happens twice, the boss inside Futaba's palace (who kinda sucks btw) and the Holy Grail (Atleast Yaldabaoth is slightly better). It could be worse honestly.

Then you have players (like me) who never use items for God knows why I kid you not I probably have enough attack items to kill Yaldabaoth with those by themselves

Evan DeVore lmfao saaaame I just hate using non-reusable stuff up

Evan DeVore lol same. It’s definitely a common theme around Rpg players with resource management. It’s a semi-needless habit that validates our worries that we’ll run into something horribly tough later with 12 unexpected battle phases.

It would be much better if Akechi decided to kill him earlier so we didn’t need to suffer :(

@@kamiya4700 yeah he was so hard until I finally defeated him 1 second before timer runned down

My theory is all the effort for the space port of greed went into the casino of envy

What I believe most likely happened is that Okumura's palace went through a rewrite. After all, it's the palace that introduced Haru yet unlike other palaces does not have her give an introduction "you suck" speech to her father before the boss fight. Don't believe me? Don't worry, I have the Persona 5 opening to back me up as well. Haru is the opening is portrayed as a more sassy looking rich girl or an aloof rich girl instead of her extremely kind and caring demeanor in the game. Thus, suggesting that Okumura's palace most likely went through a rewrite to change Haru's character for who knows what reasons.

Jesus... rest of the game must've been a breeze

Moon Chan it sure was!

Level 70 is definitely not necessary

I might have to do this I'm like 55 I think & I just can't beat this battle I've died 10 times now I literally can't beat it & I am using baton pass

Joe H. did you beat it? put it on merciless and keep baton passing hitting their weakness one at a time. then once everyone but one is knocked down, baton pass to someone who can finish them lol

Brock Biever his story doesn’t add up either he was debuffed and did nothing about it or he didn’t come prepared which I think is the case since he was using curse bombs when the game allows access to several curse possessing personas by Okumara’s palace, sounds like he went in with a plan and when it failed he decided the game is bad 🤷‍♀️

Ditto here. Either he wasn't using buffs and debuffs properly... or he was lying. Or he was actually just Level 15. Because every replay of that fight, I'd take a max of 90 damage when handling that stuff correctly.

@@tezmick9590 To be fair, i went into the fight normally as every other fight. I had to restart this fight because i just wasn't doing enough damage. Had to fuse Pale Rider to get Triple Down to EASILY win this fight.

Tezmick To be fair I think he meant he using curse bombs so the two other characters he brought who didn’t have anything weak against the final wave could continue the baton pass. I only say that because that’s what I did, I had Joker and Haru who were able to knock them w their personas, but my other two didn’t have anything, so they had to use the little bombs to keep the pass going. However I do agree I don’t understand how his fully healed and blocking Joker got knocked out in one hit. Once I saw Haru was going to self destruct I knew I was in the clear because only Joker needed to survive, which was a guarantee w full health and no debuffs.

Wallabies to be fair I did it on normal without curse bombs on hard it depends on how safe you wanna play it and what random skill rolls you got from alarms if you got concentrate the fight is dirt easy, if not then the curse bombs for a suped up lv4 baton pass is nice, however I found even having curse amp is more than enough

znon zeo succguy?

AlphaDog I’m confused too

???????

I'm with everyone in this thread. Who?

Who?

Running away is defintely an annoying change, but having four of them to get a max baton pass attack twice makes it much easier, especially with the inclusion of traits and removing baton pass as a confidant ability so Haru can be not only useable,but useful

Makes it worse when hes literally the only boss in game that has a time limit. Its out of nowhere and for no reason honestly

@@darknesswave100 What do you mean out of nowhere, the time limit makes sense as the place is about to explode. The All-Out Attack is restricted because it's a boss fight and it ups the difficulty. Are you seriously complaining that you don't have an easy win button? The boss fight isn't really that hard.

The rest of the game is piss easy. This fight is so gimmicky and awful, the only deaths/reset in my entire playthrough were to this cluster fuck of a fight

@@ACasualWeeb The fight is bad in terms of story, sure, but going to Mementos with Insta-kill from Ryuji and some stamps for Jose makes it hard to not be over-leveled or prepared for the entire game

@@nickbarlas5544 obviously you have no fucking idea what the rest of us had to fucking deal with. Also bullshit other bodsfights let use all out attacks.

I'm on the very last boss battle of P5R. I might try it lmao

Would not recommend unless it was a challenge or for shits and giggles. (If I think you’re fighting the boss I’m thinking) he spams light attacks and if you use a certain team member that’s weak to light, he’s gonna die immediately. I did that fight and that team member kept getting hit even though he had Ali Dance on him. The only reason Merciless works for Okurmura’s Fight is bc if a person (both teammate and enemy) is hit with their weakness, the damage is tripled making it easier to kill the green douchebags.

Yup no issues until I got to the three Psy bots on normal and couldnt get all before running away. After several tries out on Merciless and blew through with only some dumb mistakes. Never been so happy to beat a boss.

Izanami-no-Okami Picaro do be necessary though

@@minortatu3311 he wasn’t

That makes no sense. If you can't target him, then we should be able to do an all-out attack. He's mostly just in the background.

@@MayHugger its a progaming thing that the devs should have made the player aware of, so the player actually knows the challenge thats being presented

@@randomprotag9329 Even then, challenge would, and does, feel at least slightly fake, due to not being able to do a mechanic that we're normally able to do.

@@MayHugger if they create a good enough narrative reason for why all out attacks are too risky. it could work. though at that point the work needed could be more than just making it possible on the programing end or not changing the fight much.

@@randomprotag9329 What reasoning could there be for making assaulting some robots too risky?

Toast McToast all in the voice

@@nickbarlas5544 Dude, I'm only explaining the guys point in the video not my own personal opinion.I personally found it annoying but that's all.

Biowoman oh .. shit I’ll retract my comment then

It isn't hard. It's just the 1st and only fight you actually need to prepare for (after fighting it once and probably failling)

Lol that's what I did to beat it. Psychic and triple down on both Joker and Haru. Psychic items on the other teammates definitely helps. I honestly don't know why people are complaining so much.

I had no idea about this! Thank you so much for sharing this!

Okumura is pretty much the only boss they made worse. The rest of them are just fine

Or you could I don’t know maybe bring a persona with psy attacks🤷‍♀️ maybe swap Haru in 🤷‍♀️ I beat the fight without psy bombs so either I’m a genius or maybe your way of thinking is too narrow.

I did it with Triple Down + Gun Amp or Boost don't remember.

Have you never played a fucking megami tensei game, fuse something with psi attacks you brainless animal.

If you even went to Mementos once(even without a single stamp spent on more items from Jose), you'll have enough psy and curse damage to get max baton pass. Considering that the robots have many resists, finding what they don't resist is crucial and can be done in the process of getting the ID to progress further

exactly, items are fucking king in this fight, and make baton passes so strong

Yep! Concentrate on Joker and a few elemental items are all you need here.

@Tum Tum Except the game does nothing to make him seem like it wasn't earned, it falls into the same trap it used for all the other antagonists of making them as despicable as possible. The problem is that Okumura's actions do not win him any sympathy points. First of, he's a cruel boss who shows little to no regard for the welfare of his employees whom he forces to work under terrible working conditions, as seen by his palace's cognition of his employees as mindless robots. Secondly, there were implications that he was a frequent patron of Black Mask whom he has several of his competitors assassinated, which is confirmed when you infiltrate Shido's Palace. The last reason, is his horrible treatment of his daughter Haru. He only sees her as a bargaining chip to sell off to a politician's son so he could enter the political realm himself. What's worse is that Okumura's Shadow is fully aware that Haru's fiance is a potential domestic abuser and unfaithful, yet encourages his behavior. He's no different from any of the other power abusers in Tokyo whose hearts you change, except that he happens to be related to a main character. The problem with your argument is that you put the sympathy on Haru and how she is affected, yet the game tries to portray Okumura as less vile despite his actions and his death as tragic even though he had had it coming for a while. No one deserves to die, however narrative consistency is important, and Okumura suddenly being portrayed as a lesser evil is not an example of that. Like I said, this arc was a narrative mess of them trying to shoehorn certain story beats without making sure that they actually work.

@@matteste P5 story all around isn't great, it pretty much peaks at the end of the first palace and never reaches the same heights. All of the villains are one dimensional saturday morning cartoon villain without any reedeming qualityed (besides the painter guy who is said to have legitemately been a caring father figure to Yosuke), which work for a few, but quickly become repetitive or are the final generic "humanity is hopeless" type. The confidants are of varying quality, but that's pretty normal for persona games, but for some reason you get to romance every female character including Futaba, which seems extremely messed up. The pacing isn't very goodeither as it feels like bery little happens in the middle part of the game which is different than just, recruited a new character. Also let's not forget the forced: "We were all being selfish with our powers" crap, even Haru says it which is extremely contrived as she had to change her fathers heart otherwise she would be sold off. There are many other things to complain about, but this palace show everything wrong with the games writing already. P5 is a good game to play once, but after that you'll see many of it's cracks. Maybe Royal fixes my complaints, I hope it does, but from what I've seen things are mostly the same.

@@vanjagalovic3621 Pretty much, it's just that there are some moments that fall lower than the rest. The game just felt narratively shallow and hypocritical despite trying to appear otherwise.

matteste I felt everything you were saying about the Okumura’s palace arc. There wasn’t a real for the group to be so conflicted or for this to be about Morgana more than it was about Haru. Kunikazu also was just evil as hell. We get that at some point he was a good man, and of course he was caring towards Haru but he was too far gone unlike say Futaba or Sae. It’s hard to feel bad for somebody having people assassinated and purposely selling their daughter to an abusive rapist all for political gain.

@@vanjagalovic3621 That bit about the villains being Saturday Cartoon villains you really feel with the likes of Madarame. What I mean is that when you invade him he comes across as a far cry from as bad as Kamoshida. He come across as corrupt but nowhere near enough to warrant a heart change. And then all of a sudden it is like the writers realized this and just input that scene that reveals him as having killed Yusukes mother through inaction. It just comes so out of nowhere and is then never mentioned again. Can't have the Phantom Thieves being wrong now can we.

That would be strong, I could tell him all the best tricks

ArcVaranus exactly, you just need to exploit their weaknesses

Yo now the worse thing it's that his palace it's less bad this time than the previous one, at least here you have way more sabe rooms, and the dirt part of the palace it's not a painful ass shore anymore.

Yeah in many ways it’s more manageable but it’s still a fucking slog. The airlock section is still a convoluted mess. Not to mention the Okumura boss breaks the core design philosophy of “take your time” for no real reason other than shit design. Unbelievable they remixed the game and sold it full price without fixing a part of the game so bad it takes a whole letter grade off my rating of it.

@@hithere5553 Oh really? I actually enjoyed the Palace (with airlock section) waaaay more than og.

@@Elsuya_Milo It's a lot easier in Royal. That's why I didn't hate it as much. I still didn't like doing it.

@@plosonen I thought it was just me that thought it was easier in royal. I remember taking a long time to finish it before but in royal once I got there I was to the treasure in like 30 minutes cause I fought everything. Probably would have been 15 I didnt

They teach you baton passing very early and even tell you how to raise its effectiveness playing darts and pool.

that's exactly what i did and this shit was a breeze, but i guess people just looke at items and thought "well i have skills that scale with MA, why would i need items that do flat damage" Like the items are so obviously not designed for damage but rather to set things up for strong baton passes

I mean yeah, but it's still a shitty boss fight. I did the same thing (just not with Ann in the mix) but it was still a bitch.

@@iceboundsatyr5108 So what do you say to those who don't have these items?

David Prater This is going to sound very antagonistic but, the game isn’t just about spamming abilities, it’s also about preparation and optimization, the items can easily be crafted and bought especially by Okumura’s palace, confidents can easily be maxed by this point and personas can be built that extend your ability to set up combos. This palace (especially the boss) tests your preparation and understanding of the game (hell even Morgana tells you to better prepare if you try to use items in safe rooms if you don’t have any)

​@@iceboundsatyr5108 If a fight has you doing something you never needed to do before, or after, that's bad design. Like I said elsewhere, if this was a superboss, this would be expected but it's not. This is something that's mandatory.

i don't get why the fight even has dialogue which the timer does not stop for. completing the boss as fast as possible and reading dialogue contradict each other.

Thats what I did my first plautrough whit the green ones, I atacked whit Joker, then, wen Haru got her turn, I batton passed to Makoto, used item, batton passed to Ryuji, used item, and then finished them off whit Joker using med psy on all.

Edward Flynn the game never stops giving them to you. If you open even a small number of chests in any palace or mementos, you had at least one attack item. Not to mention enemies drop them way more often in royal then vanilla p5. The only ways you had none what's so ever is by using all of them in mob fights or never opening a chest, avoiding every fight and never work on tools in your room. I know because I never once went out of my way to get them. I only made the ones in my room once because I didn't need more lockpicks. So I know what I'm talking about. The problem is most people forget those items exist, are being stubby in not using them, or are morons.

@@Vinylmelody1517 Let's be honest. People don't use items unless it's the Finale Boss or just for recovery sake.

those items only do like 50 damage anyway. It did not make a difference.

@@Ed-1749 I had a shit ton of them because of Mementos, cant see howyou can get to Okumura whitout having even 3-4 of each.

For me that was the enemies in futaba's palace in the chamber of rejecting in the original p5, except i didnt break it i just damaged it

thank god someone has a brain in this comment section

Yeah items you had to equip PRIOR to coming in and most people are coming in blind to enjoy the new stuff

Haru's Triple Down was my saving grace this fight

@@shadex0437 That's fine, just use the millions of magatamas the game decides to throw to those wanting to experience the game again

@@shadex0437 you know, when you lose, you can just go to the prior safe room and equip those... right?