Old Macs seem to last forever. Here's why. 

Ironically if you didn’t need the GPU you probably could have disabled it via command line and could still be using it. Apart from the flawed GPU (and battery) design, those MacBooks are fantastic little workhorses.

Remove the GPU and do the bake technique. It works and will give your 2010 a few more years of service life. I have "fixed" about ten GPU cards this way.

Rip gpu bro

@@mbigbit4537 2011 model not 2010?

@@mbigbit4537 I have the 2011 model and I used the Zapper to disable the GPU a couple of days ago. 6 years thrown in a press and now it's working A1!

I got this old late 2013 iMac from the basement in the house nobody uses i used the Big Sur usb patcher to update the unsupported Mac and ran boom3d I also bought the newer magic keyboard and mouse the joy I felt from doing that was immeasurable

I have an 2010 MacBook that my old brother bought last year. I had some issues cause he forgot the password and the battery was screwed up but it still work smoother then my hp laptop.

I just bought an used early 2011 MBP to start light programming in it for college and experience on Macs that I never had even though I have a decent medium Desktop, it wasn't really just for fun, but rather I was amazed at the still usefulness these things have so many years later.

I think my 2004 G4 still works!

@@ultra.4936 how did u get big sur on an unsupported mac?

Yeah Bro, Same here. Had to buy yesterday a new MacBook Pro 2021 because I need a netter performance for programmes but I‘m scared to Open the Box because it feels like betraying my beloved mac pro 2014…

I am the same way with my computer, but it's a windows desktop, but I picked amazing parts for the time which was 2012. It has a 8 core AMD FX-8350 which is still running great today. I have 16 GB of DDR3 ram & I'm thinking of upgrading to 32 GB for more intensive work loads, like video rendering & game design. When I do "expire" it, I plan on turning it into a server & I could have up to 64 GB of ram plus the 8 core CPU will be more than enough for even modern applications. I could run everything I would ever need on it. I have a RU-vid channel which quite a few subs (this is my anonymous channel), but I do everything I could possibly need on that old machine & I have no realistic need for an update. Maybe faster storage & a better GPU, but the CPU is more than enough. Its amazing how long an old CPU can last, hardware is truly amazing these days. But GPU's become outdated fairly quickly still, I feel lile graphics are the new thing whcih are moving fast, especially with crypto mining.

I had a 2014 15-inch MBP, best computer I've owned in my 41 years on this planet. Just due to the nature of my job as a developer I finally had to upgrade to a newer model, mostly because I now have to run much more intensive tools than I used to, so I handed it down to a best friend and they absolutely love it, it still handles almost everything one would want to do on a Mac with ease (of course not much for gaming or really intense tasks, but great for everything else). I was genuinely sad to get rid of it despite having a nice shiny new machine. I quite literally never had any problems with it. It ran like a champ for 7 years straight under very intensive conditions and never once complained. I know it's weird but whenever I visit my friend and see that machine sitting around somewhere it still makes me smile. I kinda want it back now, haha. Mostly kidding, I would never try to take back something I gave to someone, but even with the latest and greatest I still miss that old thing! I hope it lasts another 5+ years!

Just put a third battery into mine, and upgraded the storage. Last year I even applied new thermal paste. Does everything I need a laptop to do (I have an iMac for more intensive work.) Feeling pretty confidant that I can get at least 10 years out of the thing!

dell laptop 2005 here. the secret is to never use the original dell power suppliy but to transplant the verification chip from the original into something normal like a toshiba supply. the original power supplies used to get extremely hot and burn up LOL

I have to disagree that apple "blatantly hates reusability". That's just a million miles from the truth. The simple fact that Macs are the brand of computer that CAN be used 10+ years later no problem disproves that outright, they don't build computers that utterly die in 3-5 years, they've always built computers with hardware longevity and reusability in mind, and they promote refurbished machines themselves! The "Upgradability" point however is just one that consumers don't understand the engineering necessity behind. It comes down to 2 issues: Points of failure, and speed. More removable parts means more points of failure, removing them makes things more reliable, period.... and Speed: you don't need to upgrade your freaking RAM!!! SOC ram is way faster than anything you could hope to install in a socket, and Apple has matched the ram specs to the processor, which you absolutely won't with aftermarket ram!! Ever upgraded a laptops ram only to have it run slower? Happens all the time because people don't pay attention to RAM speeds when upgrading! People also used to (and still do) complain that Apple overcharges for RAM, but if you've ever looked at the speed and CAS latency of the RAM apple chooses, it's on par with the same spec'd ram that's available for upgrades... you' just never thought to pay for that "$250 32gb ram" because you got the same "32gb" for only $45 and didn't bother checking the freaking specs... Similarly, You absolutely don't need to upgrade SSD's anymore. If your SSD isn't big enough, GET A THUNDERBOLT EXTERNAL DRIVE!!! THEY'RE WAY FASTER!!!! 10 years ago internal drives absolutely trumped the speed any external drive could hope to provide, that's not the case anymore with Thunderbolt/USB3/4. External drives have PCI speeds, aka as fast as internal, and basically as fast as RAM now so you can just use it for swap instead of getting more RAM.... There's literally no need to "upgrade" anything internally anymore when the IO speeds are fast enough to support external storage at the same or better speed.

@@TheChrisSimpson There is still a market for upgradeability. Look up the framework laptop. The whole device is incredibly modular yet robust and includes guides on how to upgrade the computer and what to upgrade specific parts with, which you can get to through scanning the QR codes inside of your laptop or through their website. Also, upgrading devices with worse parts is something you would have to be incredibly tech illiterate to do, it's like throwing in a tractor engine into your car because it was "cheaper" while completely ignoring the thousands of labels saying, "FOR TRACTOR USAGE". Also ironically, the most reliable mac computers tend to be the ones with easily removable and swappable parts (Such as removable battery or RAM upgrades). Maybe it has to do with them being upgradeable and maintainable, something which modern flexgate-ridden macbooks and static metal cubes do not have. And yes, apple hates reusability. Louis Rossmann has been in the macbook repair business for decades and he has only seen apple try to clamp down on reusability to force people to buy new devices.

@@TheChrisSimpson the issue with not having user accessible storage is 2 fold ssds have a finite lifespan with soldered ssds it makes it near impossible to replace if the drive fails and while the lifespan of ram modules is significantly longer the same issues apply. having replaceable and upgradable components is a massive benefit for the longevity of machines be it gpus cpus ram or storage. as well as apple locking down other components on the board making refurbishment and maintenance on the machines signifigantly harder than their older machines. i say this as someone who has used apple products going back to the first gen power pc classic mac os workstations

@@TheChrisSimpson CRAZY meatriding

@@TheChrisSimpson I agree. I've only once in over 20 years of using Macs had RAM fail. On the logic board, there's no opening up and reseating it just to see if that helps. Not saying it can't/won't happen, but that's jut my own experience. From a Duo270c to an iMac G3 and G5 to Intel and now to M series. Had a bunch of old ones at one point too (SE, Mac II, UMAX and others).

Do you think it would have lasted for much less time with only 8GB? (Context - trying to choose if I should get 16GB with M1 Air)

@@EpiCuber7 bro as of now 8 gb is fine. If you use your mac for normal web browsing, office, photo editing kind of things, go with 8gb. 16 gb is a thing mainly because of gaming...

@@sholmes_ttyyThe memory is soldered onto the motherboard so "officially not upgradable" unless you have extensive experience and equipment for soldering and desoldering electronics. So my advice is to buy the 16GB and buy an AC regulator to reduce the risk of frying your sensitive non-removable memory DIMMs. I lost a 2015 iMac this way. Apple is diabolical with its planned obsolescence.

@@mb90821 im a little late to the party ut 16GB is probably never gonna be used by 95% of ppl. and macos smartly uses the very fasst ssds if its needed. there is little to no need for the 16 gb

Android 9,10,11,12,13: give me RAM

Yep. Just prevented ewaste and probably saved money. Not to mention, it’s probably built beautifully.

Literally, my siblings destroyed my old 2012 Sony Vaio screen and bought a new device. When I needed to repair my new device because of water damage, I booted up my old Sony Vaio and connected it to an old Samsung Montitor. It runs perfectly I'm thanking of starting to using it and keeping my new Asus laptop just for hardcore use cases after it gets repaired, so İ keep as new as possible

The big advantage to iMacs, Mac Pro, and the like are that they have a discrete gpu which helps a lot, even if they’re older. They still help a ton. If you already have them, perfect. If you’re looking to get something today. For the price, generally a PC with a discrete gpu will get you more bang for buck. But the prices are so variable on the used market, people selling their computers for $50 cuz they just want to get rid of them. The SSD and ram upgrade could be only $50 or $100. Hard to say which is better *because* the price is so variable.

That’s amazing! Would this work on a laptop too?

@@1superlillianyes, i have a macbook pro 13 2012 for collection, just upgraded 4gb to 16gb and hdd to ssd sata 3, now it works much better

Could you give me further instructions? I would like to do the same

LOL...I Still run a Lenovo A720 27 inch All-in-One from 2012 with win10.Works fine long lasting usable PC'S not just an apple imac phenomenon.

@@camilaandreaportugallangho3278 I would like to know also.

@@djplayerproductions I recently took my iMac 21.5 mid-2011 to an Apple Certified repair technician recommended by the Apple store which ran a diagnostics test [free] and said my hard drive wore out. The tech installed a Seagate 1 TB SATA hard drive to replace my 500 GB SATA hard drive. An SSD hard drive would have doubled the cost and rendered my optic drive useless. Yes. I still want my optic drive for playing DVD's and CD's. I'm using my restored iMac today and she's running at lightning speed. Years ago, I personally upgraded my 8 GB RAM with 12 GB RAM. It was easy to do. The access panel for RAM is on the underside of the iMac. Take two screws out and the memory cards are right there. Apple has a tutorial for replacing/upgrading RAM. The total cost to replace my hard drive was $330, a lot cheaper than a new iMac that wouldn't arrive until the end of December. The new iMac doesn't have the access panel for upgrading RAM. It also doesn't have an optic drive. You have to buy it separately. Maybe my vintage iMac will only last a year but the tech said it was "like new" inside, so I'm expecting at least three years. From Sierra, my OS was upgraded to High Sierra.

@@camilaandreaportugallangho3278 I recently took my iMac 21.5 mid-2011 to an Apple Certified repair technician recommended by the Apple store which ran a diagnostics test [free] and said my hard drive wore out. The tech installed a Seagate 1 TB SATA hard drive to replace my 500 GB SATA hard drive. An SSD hard drive would have doubled the cost and rendered my optic drive useless. Yes. I still want my optic drive for playing DVD's and CD's. I'm using my restored iMac today and she's running at lightning speed. Years ago, I personally upgraded my 8 GB RAM with 12 GB RAM. It was easy to do. The access panel for RAM is on the underside of the iMac. Take two screws out and the memory cards are right there. Apple has a tutorial for replacing/upgrading RAM. The total cost to replace my hard drive was $330, a lot cheaper than a new iMac that wouldn't arrive until the end of December. The new iMac doesn't have the access panel for upgrading RAM. It also doesn't have an optic drive. You have to buy it separately. Maybe my vintage iMac will only last a year but the tech said it was "like new" inside, so I'm expecting at least three years. From Sierra, my OS was upgraded to High Sierra.

easier !

I have the items in my Amazon cart already. lol Wish Me luck.

Hey I want to join this club soon but I'm just watching videos to learn first.

Same here!

Theonly One what are your specs?

consider installing an ssd and maxing out the ram, also use the opencore patcher to install ventura

@@theearthisflat21 Haha, yeah I did that as soon as I bought it. Probably why it's still running well.

@@trjones1 it came with an ssd? wow. yeah I think you can get 16gb of ram in there too if you really wanted, my 2011 runs 32. much cheaper than an m1 and just as good

@@theearthisflat21 opencore has been a lifesaver!

that’s what she said.. yeah she calls me a computer because she plays me

Still rocking that 2009 27”, now bought 16” mb for university!

Lorenzo Cox Gandia I’m also about to buy a mpb 16’ for university! How do you like it, and which model did you get?

Felix Renard Well, knowing Macs last forever, i went all out, here are the specs: I9 2.3ghz 32gb Ram 5600m 1tb 4574€

I have a 2007 windows notebook. It’s running window 10 now!

I also still use my 2008 iMac

No HDD failure or you switched to SSD?

Emmanuel Nwosu I still used it with the original 7200rpm (and it performed pretty well) until last year when I upgraded the RAM and put an SSD

@@jhbergallo Wow that's so nice

Watching this video on a 2014 MBP

How is it in terms of user upgradability? SSD/RAM/battery still glued/soldered in? I've taken back both my '16 and '19 MB Pro's while I still could as I was appalled with both of them. Heard good things about the 2020's though, but I'm still gun shy after my last 2 experiences so I went to ebay and bought the nicest 2012 i7 I could find, topped off the ram and put a 1gb ssd in. Also got a nice desktop PC for more gpu-intensive applications, but quite frankly I never use it unless I'm playing a video game as the 2012 MBP is great for just browsing the web, writing papers, etc.

@@mfallen4277 1GB SSD? 19-inch MBP? bruh fix your comment.

@@mfallen4277 I haven’t upgraded anything. The closest I got to opening it up was when I dropped it 4 years ago and it could’ve opened itself up lol. Surprisingly it’s resilient. The screen went pink for a few hours afterwards and then went back to normal by it self. My only issue is an intermittent keyboard problem with 3 (sometimes 4) keys not responding and that I can’t upgrade to the latest OS, so many of my applications are running very slow on it. But if this channel is correct both issues can be fixed easily. Buying it 9 years ago is easily one of the best investments I have made.

Same here! Except mine is a 2010 and the keyboard is fine...

I have a 2011 17 inch mbp and it stills works like new. it had that gpu issue and I got it repaired for free from apple a little while back and it works like butter. I like the large screen for day trading stocks. I wish they still make 17 inches.

Thank you! Is there a general rule of thumb to know what is worth upgrading? I have a hp laptop and desktop that are both 9 years old. Both dual core. Is more RAM and a SSD worth the upgrade with that old of processor? Or should I get one of these 2009 MacBook or iMac and upgrade those? I've watched a couple of these Mac upgrade videos and they seem to be able to edit hd video in final cut with dual core.

@@haveaniceday7950 yes the ssd is a must and ram but I would focus on ssd and ram 8gb is good enough

Good on you for doing that!

It’s nice of you to save your customers money like that.

I know, right? if you're going to open the case at least replace the drive with 500GB or 1TB SSD

I feel this in my soul. I still have a 1TB mechanical hd in my iMac and I’m pushing it.

No sh!t.

I have a 2012 15 inch unibody mbp as my main Mashine and I put in a 480 gig ssd and it’s almost full

my phone has bigger storage

Same here bro I'm on mine too... true warriors Macs lol

I runing a 10 years old 2012 imac

install Monterey

I just bought that laptop on eBay!!

This is not true actually. Mac's don't have very good software support at all (iPhones and iPads do, however). Just take a look at the oldest supported Mac for Big Sur, it's from 2013. Meanwhile, that Mac (and many older Macs) can still run the latest Linux and Windows. I also think that the M1 Mac's wont last very long because, as you say, the SSDs can't be swapped. Especially the 8GB RAM models seem to get a lot of writes on the SSD.

@@fredfranssen5384 I mean 8 years, How long did you expect software to be supported? That's plenty for me. I think the iPhone had 6 years for reference, so Mac's are still a solid 2 years longer if that is the metric And just because you can load the latest operating system it doesn't mean you should, might end up running slower loading the latest version. You are right about the swap though, it certainly is higher on the M1 models than Intel because of unified memory. I do have the 16GB varient so I shouldn't have anything to worry about. Swap for day to day usage is virtually zero for me.

@@jesselam5867 Since the cutoff is arbtirary (as you can see, with a simple patch tool the newer software can run), I would say that 8 years is not long at all for computers. On iOS, it's clear that some models were just getting too slow for the latest software, like the iPhone 6. The first line of i7 processors, however, launched in 2008 and a PC with that processor is fine for simple tasks. A Mac with such a processor would be fine as well, I'm sure, if it would have gotten the latest software for longer.

I also have a M1 Mac and I understand the problems with lack of upgrades and difficulty of repairs, and Apple is pushing that all the way up to the iPhone and iPad, that are becoming increasingly harder to repair. It is something to worry, but as someone who uses a Mac professionally, having a 10 year old Mac is not an option. I also hope that these M1s last, but we just have to wait and see if their technologies are just as good at keeping up with the times.

Macs have a bad backwards compatibility compared to Windows and linux. In most cases when you update the OS, you're going to have to repurchase a lot of software even when it's not a change of processor architecture. Also if you think Apple builds quality, check Louis Rossmans youtube channel.

same. lol, if you dont do video edit, or games. its no issue.

Robert Baker nice! My old Mac can run Final Cut Pro X also. Not perfect but ok.

@@giantg.6869 everything can

Recently did the same. But my bottom ram slot has the issue where, if you bump the bottom case a little too hard, the MacBook will give the 3 beeps. So only 8gb RAM for me.

I'm using a macbook pro 2013 with 8gb of ram and it lags occasionally.

My mom is still using a 2007 iMac I gave her and I'm using my 2014 MacBook Pro as well. I'm shocked, SHOCKED! Well, I'm not that shocked...they're still going strong.

@@Peanutdenver I can't believe this is really amazing😲😲😲

@@samirkaram8625 Yeah this is true lol My mainly Logic production Mac is an iMac early 2008 (12 years) still as good as new !

I'm running a -luxo' G4 iMac from 2004, slow but it still goes. 10.5.8.

Same. Ive had mine for ten years and it’s in gray shape!!

I have a 15" MacBook Pro Retina that I purchased new in August, 2012. I've replaced the screen and battery twice. It still works as well as when new--and looks new; however, it doesn't support OSs beyond Catalina, so I just ordered a 16" M1 MBP to replace it.

Mine just works fine but I can't do much on it... 😢😢😢😢😢

Mine too

@@harshitbalaji1019 ssd upgrade is a must

lol

How to count past Infinity - VSauce

@@goodcrossing Infinity + 1

@@hawjtsim BRILLIANT!

Steve Jobs, wherever he is, is obviously still working.

I still have myG5 Power Mac for SD video editing FCP4.5

your both lucky the g5's especially were lemons. their power supplies and mainboards failed fir many people. i had two die and suffer the fans on full, stop booting issues. when they worked they were brilliant but they had issues. no amount of resetting of the device got them working again. they had design flaws.

@@beadlesastout I'm surprised, I honestly didn't k know that. I had a 1.8 dual PPC G5. 8Gh Ram, I still have it, like your Mac would just die?

@@reel_images I bought a Powermac g5 to mod for standard pc parts. and its water cooler, which uses glycol car coolant, took a massive crap on everything. kinda sucked cause it was a top trim. dual 2.0 cpus. 8 gb ram. ram still works tho. but yea. everything else is dead.

@@reel_images Dell had the same problem in that era, bad capacitors. I used to have stacks of Optiplex GX series Dells with bad power supplies and mainboards. I think the G5 Powermacs were better than the iMacs in that regard. I have a working G5 iMac, after having replaced the PSU. My friend took that for Garageband long ago though and barely ever uses it. Any random computer that doesn't have straight-up faulty parts should last pretty much forever with minimal maintenance.

How did you manage to go through a PC every 2 years? 2008 isn't even old. That poor thing was probably filled to the brim with dust if you never turned it off. It would probably be working today if you had taken it apart from time to time to blow out the dust.

@@xb0xisbetter Wtf a 13 year old computer isn’t old?!?

@@angellrodriguezmontes8556 It isn't old enough that it wouldn't be reasonable for it to still be humming away today with the bare minimum of preventative maintenance, unless it had a batch of really crappy capacitors.

The 2008 could it do Bluetooth

@@nynyseymore8027 Looks like it, although that wouldn't matter. You would just need to find a random generic bluetooth dongle that Apple bothered to write drivers for.

I also have a 2011 27 iMac. It slowed down over the years -- it took forever to load new programs, and would just freeze, despite having 24 GB of Ram. I love the screen for movie editing with FCPX and music production with LogicPro. Instead of upgrading to a new iMac (would be a 24 inch at this time with the new M1 chip) I spent a few hundred bucks and upgraded to an 1TB SSD. I was afraid I may have been wasting my money. And luckily, I was not. It was the best $300 I have ever spent on a computer. It is like a new computer (albeit not an M1 chip computer, but fast enough). I still have my faster MacBook Pro -- but this is what I use for my movie and music hobby. It is a tool which performs its needed functions perfectly now.

replace the SSD first, you'll see more benefits! :) Keep the ram for later :D

My 2011 27” iMac recently got bit by the gpu failure bug. Hoping I can get it fixed and going again soon

I am running Mac OS Monteray on a mid 2010 27" imac how about you ?

@Andre Elisii. I have the same computer from late 2015 and I love it. The drive is getting full now and probably needs to be replaced. Other than that I love it can would find it hard to go to a smaller screen. Any tips on your hard drive replacement are welcome. (I think I may also get a newer one tho possibly a used or refurbished.)

Android phones now have the same RAM as my MacBook Pro 16. What are people doing with their phones that they need this?

@@sloppynyuszi they don't really need it, it's just a marketing strategy, every brand say "Hey look, i have more ram, i'm better, buy me" Sorry if my english is Bad, i'm from a third world country from South America xd

@@sloppynyuszi its called Android. Android is MUCH more resource heavy than iOS. It's not a bad thing that these phones have that much amount of ram, tho

Sloppy Toons They don’t need it but it’s definitely a good thing to have. Android is just so bogged down that they need to have so much brute power. iOS could probably still function on 512 megabytes LOL.

@@uzernaim1648 It's really not. Sure, it's a little more resource heavy, but not really.

Hope your financial situation improves...lol

I did until the iMac Pro released. I’m hoping this one lasts twice as long.

CrxzyNickk Hi, Luke Miani mentioned in this video something he used to upgrade the OS to more recent than High-Sierra. I have a 2011 MBP. What do I need to install a more up to date OS? I could not understand what Luke said (even with repeated listenings) and it is not in the links and notes "below".

Hi. Is this an early 2011 MacBook pro?

I’m using a 2011 with full RAM and an SSD but it chokes on premiere and after effects. Any tips?

Clear the cache and use Macbooster 3. For some reason I get the baseball of death each boot unless I clear everything. Also try to have at least 25% of you SSD free and use external drives to save projects as they can eat a lot of space, especially AF.

@@MoviesRemastered I don't know MacBooster, but it seems less complete than CleanMyMac X am I right ?

@@humppa5 isn't cleanmymac malware? I dobt trust that app at all.

@@MoviesRemastered No, I think you meant Mackeeper, clean my Mac is from Macpaw’s company and it is not a malware haha What’s the positive side of Macbooster ?

Using safari? I cannot get RU-vid to work on my iPad 2 on 6.1.3

You can still replace the HDD on many iMacs and MacBooks, ones that are supported too

People don’t need to get a iMac for 10 years 6 at most

I am The one why not? Mine is from 2012 and I think I’m going to use for some more years. I hate this society where everyone throws perfectly fine products out just to use the latest one.

Christian Jakob because it’s old and it can be better so why not?

I agree about RAM. Fortunately you can still upgrade the new iMac that just came out

It’s the eyebrows. They express seriousness

Sloppy Toons hypnotic brows

The Elon Musk of Apple bro

@@NeytAkyide hahah Exactly!!

@Ethan Lear I WILL! Thanks :)

Same here, or similar (had a 2009 15" machine for a few years in school and after, fell apart and I got a 2nd hand 2010 15" then) I really loved this MacBooks and the 2010 still working (after 3 DIY repairs and 3 battery swaps I also did myself), but since I upgraded to a 16" 2021 M1 Pro... well, as much I liked this machine especially on the go, the 2021 16" is A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL. Ofc its more like a oversized, overpowered iPhone/iPad somehow, but as much I tried to push its limits (software support wise)... I didn't really get into issues except very few, specialized programs which I need like a stacker program for astro images. Btw the 2009 MBPs logic board also is still in working condition built into an old 24" 16:10 LCD screen as trashcan "iMac". Can barely handle 1080p RU-vid, but that's just fine for this type of machine

The imac?? The imac is just a aluminium shell. Looks solid, is not solid.

Literally.

No shit.

When youtube was at its peak

PS2 and Xbox 360 days

did you just use internet explorer to check the date?

I recently got a MacBook Air mid 2012 which I'm typing this on still getting used to Mac OS as this is my first Mac

I could never live with a 24". Just upgraded to 49".

You should've gotten a 2012. About the same cost as a 2009....

@@JamesAutoDude Not where I live. And I see far fewer early 2009s and earlier iMacs with dead GPUs than I do late 2009 and later. What's special about 2012 models?

@@mike969696 simply because a 2009 will be obsolete before a 2012 🤷‍♂️ eventually apple will force you to upgrade

@@JamesAutoDude If there's any reason to go for a 2012 in particular, please share it.

good price, the 2012 model is also a lot more futureproof than the 2008-2010 models. I got in about 2013 a 2nd hand 2010 15" MacBook Pro, used it till today excessively (multiple DIY repairs and battery swaps), but i ordered not long ago a 2021 16" MacBook Pro... its coming right now and i cant wait to see the difference between a "slow" 2010 which cant even playback youtube properly in 1080p 60 fps to the 2021 model which can playback multiple 4k streams simultaniously haha Definately a huge overkill for my needs (basic stuff, office, astrophotography, photo editing) but i hope this machine also lasts 5-10 years and serve me well as the 2010 model did.

@@harrison00xXx Thank you for your nice reply. I'm also in the market for an "on the go" Mac. What in your opinion would be the best "light" Macbook? One of the Airs?

@@therealgaragegirls well if we consider only the actual aviable models... The Air as cheapest option, also the slowest (doesnt mean its really slow....) Biggest downside of the actual Air: big bezels, THE reason i didnt go for the 13" Air If you want still good portability but more power and/or battery runtime for on the go.... probably the 14" but NOT with a M1 Max, only in M1 Pro variants! Probably there you get the most for your money if you are fine with the base version and really cant withstand the 16"´s size/weight. Otherwise i would suggest the 16" base model if its in your budget, probably with 1TB SSD at least if... once more, its in your budget. I couldnt afford the 1TB, or better didnt want to anymore, the 2400€ for the 16" MBP was already like 1400€ over budget Since i came already from a 15" MBP and i didnt want to go smaller, there was no way around the 16" (in fact its smaller and lighter despite having nearly 1" more screen!) Probably you try them in any shop before buying one if you cant really imagine how heavy/big they are? I personally think the 16" model is PERFECT. Ofc not the most mobile one, but useful big screen, 14" is "netbook-like" compared to side by side... Also, i really love the design with the big spot for the speakers on 16" (and 15" models), whereas on the 14" where the notebook edge is nearly directly at the keyboards side... its easily looking bad, 16" looks much better too.

A cube in working condition is worth a fortune now.

I agree. I also believe the presenter’s voice quality, melodic intonation and resonance is far more important than the content. Since everyone is a genius on youtube, content is becoming less and less important. I predict that in 10 year’s time the known Universe will shrink into a fist sized ball of pleasure. Sorry, I meant indifference.